Shrug Off -- Does it work?

Neofa · 07-29-2005, 03:10 AM

From my 9 months of testing, and Usage as a 50 bruiser..

I've come to the self conclusion that Shrug Off does NOT work (at least as intended).

Is this verified, and if so, SOE, whatsup?

If not, SOE, please show the stats it supposedly produces on the person we put the buff on. Currently it has no verification as to whether it's even working, other than an icon. The AGI, Avoidance, etc does not show up on the receiver of the buff's statistical page.

Message Edited by Neofate on 07-28-2005 04:25 PM

Morhaxvith · 07-29-2005, 05:09 AM

Youre right. There doesnt seem to be any changes to avoidance when u put shrug off on tank.

Morx.

Runnyeye

Wisr · 07-29-2005, 09:10 AM

The avoidance part is supposed to come from the brawler's ability to block for the target of the spell as I understand, not necessarily from an increase in the target's avoidance skills. I know I've blocked for people I've had this buff type on (my bruiser is only 44 atm so no shrug off, but I have overtaking blows), and this is how my friend who used to play (50 bruiser) explained it to me. There is some kind of range on it although I'm not sure what it is... I only seem to block for the person when I'm relatively close.

Mum · 07-29-2005, 10:16 AM

While the avoidance doesnt show on your targets avoidance counter I think it means that you will Block / Riposte X% for them. Slap it on a MT in MoM and watch you spam hit everthing in there as he pulls, Its working, just not as you think it would... Tamaran 50 Iksar Bruiser AB

Teidilu · 07-29-2005, 10:45 AM

it does riase avoidence actually, only by about .2% though (tested on a 50 brigand, 50 guard, and 50 zerker

Gaige · 07-29-2005, 11:50 AM

It allows the target to use your avoidance if theirs fails I believe.

CosmicAcidGu · 07-29-2005, 12:03 PM

the .2% avoidance is due to the little agility bonus it gives. The real effect is that you can block and even riposte attacks on the target. You will eventually see logs like "mob_01 tries to hit Tank, but Bruiser ripostes" (you need to have "misses on others" turned on to see it). And if you want to see it visually, just don't engage on some fights and you might see yourself performing a combat animation (and an attack line in your chat window) when you riposte an attack on the tank. Finnster

Rumbi · 07-29-2005, 06:39 PM

I get it now. Wasn't sure how it worked or what it's current purpose was.

I remember when this skill gave a tank 1500+ mitigation and 10%+ avoidance.. yummm.

JonnyBlaaze · 07-29-2005, 09:44 PM

The problem is that the description claims to offer 40% increased avoidance (adept 1 I believe).

In all my testing, Ive never seen it give a target more then 1%. Seriouslly [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ed up if you ask me. Why hasnt it been fixed 9 months into this game? No clue, but I feedback/bug it to hell each day I login.

littleman17 · 07-29-2005, 09:47 PM

what you guys didnt hear? the skill use to be uber well uber... till SOE took their nerf bat to it

Gaige · 07-29-2005, 10:04 PM

JonnyBlaaze wrote:

The problem is that the description claims to offer 40% increased avoidance (adept 1 I believe).

In all my testing, Ive never seen it give a target more then 1%. Seriouslly [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ed up if you ask me. Why hasnt it been fixed 9 months into this game? No clue, but I feedback/bug it to hell each day I login.

It does give around 40ish % to them, they get to use 40% percent of YOUR avoidance. It does *not* change the avoidance on thier persona screen.

It works like this:

Mob tries to hit MT, MT checks his avoidance skill and fails (mob would normally hit) NOW WITH SHRUG OFF ~ mob checks bruisers avoidance skill (bruiser parries) ~ in other hit window it would say ~ Mob tries to hit MT but bruiser parries.

Get it?

Mob hits, check MT avoid, check bruiser avoid then mob action.

Quicksilver74 · 07-30-2005, 11:14 AM

Shrug off is probably your most valuable spell to have in a raid. Putting this on the MT will certainly help you parry/deflect and even riposte attacks for teh MT. And here is a very easy way to test it.

Raid begins,,,, you have Shrug off on the MT. When MT Pulls Raid Mob.... do nothing. DOn't even engage the mob at all.... just go grab a cup of coffee. Come back a minute later, and check your combat log. You will have hit the mob several times. These are your ripostes. Keep in mind that you do not ALWAYS riposte.... so basicly triple the number of ripostes you have done, and that is how many attacks you have kept off of the MT. Any raid force shoudl have a bruiser in the MT group. We rule!

P.S. You can even riposte the attack if you are out of melee range. For example, do Meeting of the Minds.... We stay back in the pond to avoid the initial barrage, and as soon as the pull starts, I start hitting the Overlord or PK. I'm so far away, even ranged weapons woudl not hit them..... however I am riposting attacks for the MT. The Proof is in the pudding brutha!

07-29-2005, 03:10 AM	#1
Neofa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 127	From my 9 months of testing, and Usage as a 50 bruiser.. I've come to the self conclusion that Shrug Off does NOT work (at least as intended). Is this verified, and if so, SOE, whatsup? If not, SOE, please show the stats it supposedly produces on the person we put the buff on. Currently it has no verification as to whether it's even working, other than an icon. The AGI, Avoidance, etc does not show up on the receiver of the buff's statistical page. Message Edited by Neofate on 07-28-2005 04:25 PM __________________ &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp __ \|) &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp\|_ \|\APID\|URY -Bruiser of Befallen

07-29-2005, 10:16 AM	#4
Mum Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 69	While the avoidance doesnt show on your targets avoidance counter I think it means that you will Block / Riposte X% for them. Slap it on a MT in MoM and watch you spam hit everthing in there as he pulls, Its working, just not as you think it would... Tamaran 50 Iksar Bruiser AB __________________

07-29-2005, 11:50 AM	#6
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	It allows the target to use your avoidance if theirs fails I believe. __________________

07-29-2005, 12:03 PM	#7
CosmicAcidGu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 200	the .2% avoidance is due to the little agility bonus it gives. The real effect is that you can block and even riposte attacks on the target. You will eventually see logs like "mob_01 tries to hit Tank, but Bruiser ripostes" (you need to have "misses on others" turned on to see it). And if you want to see it visually, just don't engage on some fights and you might see yourself performing a combat animation (and an attack line in your chat window) when you riposte an attack on the tank. Finnster __________________

07-29-2005, 06:39 PM	#8
Rumbi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 145	I get it now. Wasn't sure how it worked or what it's current purpose was. I remember when this skill gave a tank 1500+ mitigation and 10%+ avoidance.. yummm. __________________ ________________________________ Knuckle the Barbarian -- 60 Bruiser Officer of Retribution Oasis Server

07-29-2005, 05:09 AM	#2
Morhaxvith Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 27	Youre right. There doesnt seem to be any changes to avoidance when u put shrug off on tank. Morx. Runnyeye

07-29-2005, 09:10 AM	#3
Wisr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 45	The avoidance part is supposed to come from the brawler's ability to block for the target of the spell as I understand, not necessarily from an increase in the target's avoidance skills. I know I've blocked for people I've had this buff type on (my bruiser is only 44 atm so no shrug off, but I have overtaking blows), and this is how my friend who used to play (50 bruiser) explained it to me. There is some kind of range on it although I'm not sure what it is... I only seem to block for the person when I'm relatively close.

07-29-2005, 10:45 AM	#5
Teidilu Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 104	it does riase avoidence actually, only by about .2% though (tested on a 50 brigand, 50 guard, and 50 zerker

07-29-2005, 09:44 PM	#9
JonnyBlaaze Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 48	The problem is that the description claims to offer 40% increased avoidance (adept 1 I believe). In all my testing, Ive never seen it give a target more then 1%. Seriouslly [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ed up if you ask me. Why hasnt it been fixed 9 months into this game? No clue, but I feedback/bug it to hell each day I login. __________________ ------------------ Abe Frohman, Sausage King of Chicago

07-29-2005, 09:47 PM	#10
littleman17 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 675	what you guys didnt hear? the skill use to be uber well uber... till SOE took their nerf bat to it __________________ Faynar: Level 71 Ranger Daynar: Level 57 Bruiser Tulnar: Level 61 Necromancer Kulnar: Level 50 Templar Bronar: Level 43 Paladin Vronar: Level 40 Defiler Everfrost FTW!

07-29-2005, 10:04 PM	#11
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	JonnyBlaaze wrote: The problem is that the description claims to offer 40% increased avoidance (adept 1 I believe). In all my testing, Ive never seen it give a target more then 1%. Seriouslly [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ed up if you ask me. Why hasnt it been fixed 9 months into this game? No clue, but I feedback/bug it to hell each day I login. It does give around 40ish % to them, they get to use 40% percent of YOUR avoidance. It does not change the avoidance on thier persona screen. It works like this: Mob tries to hit MT, MT checks his avoidance skill and fails (mob would normally hit) NOW WITH SHRUG OFF ~ mob checks bruisers avoidance skill (bruiser parries) ~ in other hit window it would say ~ Mob tries to hit MT but bruiser parries. Get it? Mob hits, check MT avoid, check bruiser avoid then mob action. __________________

07-30-2005, 11:14 AM	#12
Quicksilver74 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,640	Shrug off is probably your most valuable spell to have in a raid. Putting this on the MT will certainly help you parry/deflect and even riposte attacks for teh MT. And here is a very easy way to test it. Raid begins,,,, you have Shrug off on the MT. When MT Pulls Raid Mob.... do nothing. DOn't even engage the mob at all.... just go grab a cup of coffee. Come back a minute later, and check your combat log. You will have hit the mob several times. These are your ripostes. Keep in mind that you do not ALWAYS riposte.... so basicly triple the number of ripostes you have done, and that is how many attacks you have kept off of the MT. Any raid force shoudl have a bruiser in the MT group. We rule! P.S. You can even riposte the attack if you are out of melee range. For example, do Meeting of the Minds.... We stay back in the pond to avoid the initial barrage, and as soon as the pull starts, I start hitting the Overlord or PK. I'm so far away, even ranged weapons woudl not hit them..... however I am riposting attacks for the MT. The Proof is in the pudding brutha!