To all the monks who think were trying to get you nerfed.

EasternKing · 03-24-2006, 05:30 PM

Well guys you really make me laugh.

No plate tank can equal this feat (ref best solo effort thread ) im full kitted t6 t7 legadary fabled and i cant do it even with a few potions

Not one... not a select few... 0 plate tanks can do this .........we arent calling for nerfs we are asking for balance the same things you guys were asking for for the last 12 months ....you dont like it ? tough.

We cant tank Hof ? utter lies my guild brawlers tank Hof all the time..... we cant tank raids ...lies brawlers are very viable raid tanks

So less of the tired old arguments brawlers are good tanks and ill call any of you out who say your not ..how ever the disparity between pajama and plate is glaringly exposed .........yes we enjoyed silly avoidence for about a week thats now been fixed but ill tell you this even with my silly avoidence from the stam line I STILL COULDNT TAKE AN EVEN CON ^^^^ HEROIC NAMED that was a fighter.

You constantly come to the guard boards and complain your not balanced or viable tanks ....utter BS

We come here in repsonse to a post about something we cannot do and were a bunch of idiots and morons cos we think its wrong ? please grow up

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kinkst · 03-24-2006, 05:43 PM

and ure point is ??

Parasite · 03-24-2006, 06:01 PM

The fact that he can't spell

But then again i'm not that much better :p

And for the 40th time. Yes we can do it, tank epic*4 etc , but why bother if a plate tank does it just as well ?

U get taunts , we don't quite have that , we do damage to keep agro.

Yes it makes us good solo-ers, not every brawler achieves that kill tough ...

TBH i think all the classes are broken , but then again they are still nerfing and boosting classes in EQ1 i believe no ?

Greetings

Parasite · 03-24-2006, 06:03 PM

Please lock / delete this thread

Got enough of these already

think 50% of the brawler / guardian topics on this forum are from this guy.

Krozl · 03-24-2006, 06:44 PM

Why is it that one person, one Monk out of hundreds, nah thousands in game boasts that he managed to accomplish something tremendous and suddenly he is pointed out as the norm for that class?

I assure you that even though he might have been able to pull this or any other feat off, 95% of the Monks out there can't, won't and never will be able to. Period.

We do decent as Solo content. I can even manage a yellow Heroic single mob, sometimes with an ^. But I can not tank real Raid content. Nor can I tank real dungeon content.

My personal avoidance is in the low 70's, mitigation is the high 30'slow 40's. Typically a real raid is several levels above you to have anything worth spit drop. If i have a dedicated Druid, Shammy and Templar, sure I can tank anything in game...but then again a Wizard could [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near do the same with that set up!

We only get 1 AE attack and 1 AOE Taunt with significant refresh timers, even at Master 1 in each, it is a constant struggle to try and keep aggo when fighting a group of mobs.

Yes we can tank, but nowhere near at the level of other tanks. So go back to your own boards, stop trolling and pull your panties out of there wad. Rest assured we are not taking your job by any means.

EasternKing · 03-24-2006, 06:50 PM

Double post.

Message Edited by TheEasternKing on 03-24-200607:18 AM

EasternKing · 03-24-2006, 06:50 PM

Guys your arguments are lame

i played a monk as my first toon and i know how bad we were back then.... now they are no where near as bad as they were pre lu 13 and yet you still continue to spout the same tired arguments we cant do this we cant do that well they fixed monk and bruisers pretty damm good and i dont care if ONLY one monk worldwide can do this there are no plate tanks worldwide who can

So where is the balance ? there isnt any balance ..period

And yes i rolled a monk as my first toon played him all the way to 50 took me a good while as this was my first mmorpg an you know what when i realised how bad they sucked at raid tanking i rolled a guard cos i wanted to tank raids .........since then we have had our combat revamp and i tell you now compared to what monsk / bruisers were they are awesome now.

So please less of the i dont have a clue what im talking about i played both class's into the ground and i know what each class is capable of and what it isnt .......do i need to put my monks name and level back on my sig ?

Will that mean then i can post about a tank imbalance without getting insulted ?

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selch · 03-24-2006, 06:58 PM

So you rolled back guardian and now regretting it but lazy to level your monk up but easier to come and bash here?

What is balance? If you have the item she had in that picture, you would solo it easier than her. Repeat it is not about skills or spells, it is about item that continously stiffling the mob (which is fixed and balanced back yesterday) and now you have an excuse to spread your nerf cries over a screenshot taken with an item of the past?

You are plate tanks and having advantage of this, with AA's you certainly have a nice avoidance more over than any monk, plus you want more DPS over it. So I'm guessing who is greedy here. You can't have everything at once. Stiffle + kill, it is easy... You may not want to imagine her without this stiffling. In shreads we say.

Please, go back where you come and quit it before you get suspended from trolling.

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SirHobbs · 03-24-2006, 07:11 PM

Krozlan wrote:
Why is it that one person, one Monk out of hundreds, nah thousands in game boasts that he managed to accomplish something tremendous and suddenly he is pointed out as the norm for that class?

I assure you that even though he might have been able to pull this or any other feat off, 95% of the Monks out there can't, won't and never will be able to. Period.

We do decent as Solo content. I can even manage a yellow Heroic single mob, sometimes with an ^. But I can not tank real Raid content. Nor can I tank real dungeon content.

Well, I am definitely not one that could boast such things. I am part of the 95% that could never pull off a feat, I struggle (with the help of tsunami before it was screwed up) to survive a white heroic no arrow. It doesnt help I cant afford nice armor and dont carry anything fabled. Krozlan makes a good point though, this guy I dont think is the norm out there and still we suffer for it. It defeintely did not help to lose the Martial Line like we just did. That was one thing that helped me get those white heroics.

StrollingWolf · 03-24-2006, 07:17 PM

Please try to keep the conversation civil. Leave the emotional responses out and stick to discussing the facts please. Hopefully I won't have to visit this thread again.

zabor · 03-24-2006, 07:44 PM

TheEasternKing wrote:
bla bla bla bla

Haha.You should've rolled a paladin. Would be much more fitting for the holy crusade you are trying to start there right now. Sadly, it seems like it will turn out as a poor man's crusade.I hope you don't seriously believe you can change anything with your posts when you can't even spell correctly.

Anjin · 03-24-2006, 07:50 PM

'Will that mean then i can post about a tank imbalance without getting insulted ?'

Given that your OP contained the following:

'Well guys you really make me laugh.'

I don't think it's a great suprise that your post is treated with the derision it deserves.

Anjin

SirHobbs · 03-24-2006, 07:52 PM

StrollingWolf wrote:
Leave the emotional responses out and stick to discussing the facts please.

To be as polite as possible, this post doesnt seem to have been started with civil conversation in mind. The "king" begins with an emotional response. My response is simply not all monks are equal, many differen factors come into play from equipment to stat choices. To make a sweeping claim about all monks being able to do feats like that one guy is "slight" generalization.

EasternKing · 03-24-2006, 08:10 PM

I

hope you don't seriously believe you can change anything with your posts when you can't even spell correctly

So for people who have spelling problems its perfectly ok to be rude and insulting ? so not only can i not defend my views when insulted if i miss-spell things your going to personally insult me for that as well ? thanks i hope your really happy and feeling good about yourself for insulting someone who has spelling / typing issues.

Really mature of you Zaboron.

And this isnt a flame fest we had 8 months plus of brawlers posting about what " They " percived as things wrongs with the tanking system and class balance

Now a guard does it and im trying to incite / insult / and waste peoples time ?

yes you guys do make me laugh and yes im sorry i have spelling typing issues ...what i dont have a problem with is sticking up for myself and what " I See " as imbalances

Just like Gaige does and all the other people on these Forums.

Asheng · 03-24-2006, 08:10 PM

While i agree this post should be locked, it's not about monks, it's just a troll trying to bait us here is my arguement for you"plate tanks worldwide who can"You've obviously never seen a well equipped berserker, with all his timers up fight a mob. Lets not forget the 2h 10% stun sword. Your problem isn't that other classes can't do it, it's that YOU as a guardian can't do it. because your such a defensive class with weak damage output. That doesn't reflect on the brawler, we can't asorb 12k vanquish blows at all. You can. Instead we can do better damage.Guardians are awesome now, im sorry, but it's true. they do what they were made to do, very well, and thats tank stuff. Switch a paladin or a monk in for the same raid as a guardian, and you will see a big difference.Your basically trolling for the sake of trolling.

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DarkerApprenti · 03-24-2006, 08:11 PM

Krozlan wrote:
Why is it that one person, one Monk out of hundreds, nah thousands in game boasts that he managed to accomplish something tremendous and suddenly he is pointed out as the norm for that class?

I assure you that even though he might have been able to pull this or any other feat off, 95% of the Monks out there can't, won't and never will be able to. Period.

We do decent as Solo content. I can even manage a yellow Heroic single mob, sometimes with an ^. But I can not tank real Raid content. Nor can I tank real dungeon content.

My personal avoidance is in the low 70's, mitigation is the high 30'slow 40's. Typically a real raid is several levels above you to have anything worth spit drop. If i have a dedicated Druid, Shammy and Templar, sure I can tank anything in game...but then again a Wizard could [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near do the same with that set up!

We only get 1 AE attack and 1 AOE Taunt with significant refresh timers, even at Master 1 in each, it is a constant struggle to try and keep aggo when fighting a group of mobs.

Yes we can tank, but nowhere near at the level of other tanks. So go back to your own boards, stop trolling and pull your panties out of there wad. Rest assured we are not taking your job by any means.

I agree with your post but I want to point out with dragon breath and the WIS AA line you can have 3 AE attacks and a chance to hit several (up to 4) creatures nearby multiple times.

Ssinis · 03-24-2006, 08:13 PM

SirHobbs wrote:
To be as polite as possible, this post doesnt seem to have been started with civil conversation in mind. The "king" begins with an emotional response. My response is simply not all monks are equal, many differen factors come into play from equipment to stat choices. To make a sweeping claim about all monks being able to do feats like that one guy is "slight" generalization.

I think this is more then a slight generalization, more of a huge generalization SMILEY

Shankonia · 03-24-2006, 08:21 PM

You kill me TheEasternKing. There is a balance among tanks. Just because a handful of folks want to tank just as well as Guards and Zerkers dosn't mean we all do. If I wanted to roll a MT, I would have quit my monk and rolled a Guard. I do not want to be a raid MT, sure i'd like to every now and then, but MT in groups and raid is YOUR JOB. We fill in the role when you are not available to do your job. That is why you play a Guard. I play a monk for the versatility of the class and my ability to solo. Nerf the monk because some uber monk hits a lucky avoidance streak and solo's a lvl 71 named? Get real man.

You rolled a monk to lvl 50 and went Guard because you wanted to tank raids. Good move since Guards are in fact better raid tanks. You say Brawlers, Monks speciffically are much better than we were pre LU17? YES, we are. Thank goodness we are since before that update Troubs were better tanks, DPS and group utility than Monks. Guards got a small nerf, Monks got a bit of a boost which puts us on an even and balanced plane.

Another point i'd like to make is the fact that we know how to solo. We don't stand around at the entrance to some zone with our LFG tag up standing around. We go out and fight. We Feign Death when we get in trouble, and we try the encounter again, and again and again until we get it just right or lucky and win. After a few rounds if we can't get it, we give up and find a group to kill it. IT's called strategy. Once get get better gear and spell upgrades, we'll come back and try the encounter again. Only the top brawlers in game can solo even con ^^^'s anyway man, and even then it has to be a certain type of mob. If that top brawler can't do it, i'm willing to bet the top Mystic can.

Regarding tanking zones such as HoF, or other instances, sure it is possible. Could we do at lvl 67? No way jose. Can average lvl 70 Joe Monk tank it? Possibly, but I doubt the group would hang out in there long enough to find out after 5% debt. Very viable raid tanks? Sure, on a solo encounter, our top plate dosn't show we have the right group setup we can do it, hell, a Conj. pet could probably do it with the right group. But brawler and THE exclusive raid MT, someone who is going to tank every encounter in an instance, name one Monk who has done it and is the designated MT in guild raid group for T7 content. I didn't think so. I could name the Warriors who are but it would take way to long to type it all out.

We are better soloers, you are better in groups. Class balance is what it is. Stop arguing for all classes to be equal and parallel. That is plain dumb. You make all tanks the same, all dps the same, and all healers the same, you are left with an amazingly stupid game that nobody would play. Quit whining on our forums TheEasternKing and think about what you are arguing about. We all have our frustrations while in game. Please go cry to you mom next time and if she dosn't want to listen, at least make some sense before you post again.

An Eruidite Guardian.........

SirHobbs · 03-24-2006, 08:23 PM

Ssinista wrote:
SirHobbs wrote:
To be as polite as possible, this post doesnt seem to have been started with civil conversation in mind. The "king" begins with an emotional response. My response is simply not all monks are equal, many differen factors come into play from equipment to stat choices. To make a sweeping claim about all monks being able to do feats like that one guy is "slight" generalization.
I think this is more then a slight generalization, more of a huge generalization

:smileywink: hehe, just trying to be polite. I agree huge is a better adjective than slight

SirHobbs · 03-24-2006, 08:29 PM

Shankonia wrote:
Nerf the monk because some uber monk hits a lucky avoidance streak and solo's a lvl 71 named?

Class balance is what it is. Stop arguing for all classes to be equal and parallel. That is plain dumb. You make all tanks the same, all dps the same, and all healers the same, you are left with an amazingly stupid game that nobody would play.

That is the point, it seems the whole argument is based off this uber monk who got lucky. So we should stop arguing and have distinct difference between the classes like you said Shakonia. I play a monk for the versatility, not to be like a paladin or a guardian. I dont want to get hit but avoid the hit. Similar to the 5 D's of Dogdeball :smileywink:. If all were equal class would be pointless and the only difference would be race and gender. Who knows maybe that is the next goal, equal classes and before we know it no gender differences....

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RipFlex · 03-24-2006, 08:44 PM

We the fact is it is easier with a Guardian/Berzerker than with a Monk/Bruiser. Infact I will respond to this fact once I get more Guardian levels.

That's right, I was confused of these old Debates that I rolled a Guardian.

Facts sofar -

My low level guardian been in 32 RAIDS starting at Antonica, yes these are low levels but I started pick up raiding at 20th level and now my Guard is 30th level with just Legendary made equipment.

My Monk done 2 at 50th level and was 2 shot killed often (BTW my Guardian hasn't died once in the 32 raids) but manage with great effort to beat them. It wasn't fun as it was with my Guardian.

Problem I see a Monk who wants to Raid has to be slipped a few Fables before even starting where as a guardian can start right at pristine crafted equipment.

Not my Tanking method, I keep aggro all the time with both classes, just seems the spike damage is severe again... or a nasty debuff on me not removed quick enough smokes my Monk.

Now this perception is a bit off mainly my Guardian is still low level and my Monk is 66th level and only tried the epicx4 in his low 50s and I haven't bothered since.

Now Gaige prolly tell me different, I dunno, just seems easier with a Guardian right now....

EasternKing · 03-24-2006, 09:12 PM

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=11755

ok guys while we keep getting posts like this one and the one on your own boards ..plate tanks will continue to ask for balance .

yes its an old thread and no its not just bruisers there are monk posts in there as well and its not 1 person ......so while ill agree the majority cant some can and a lot more than 1 person

This is the kinda thing that upsets plate tanks ..we get told brawlers are crap ..not a viable tank ...we need balancing against plate tanks.......then we say we want balancing against brawlers

you know im quite happy to leave this topic alone and you guys can keep your amazing solo abilites ...but everytime i see a we need this that and the other... cos plate can do this and we cant .....ill start the we want to do the things brawlers can do threads again.

Message Edited by TheEasternKing on 03-24-200608:14 AM

SirHobbs · 03-24-2006, 09:17 PM

TheEasternKing wrote:
This is the kinda thing that upsets plate tanks ..we get told brawlers are crap ..not a viable tank ...we need balancing against plate tanks.......then we say we want balancing against brawlers

Well, I disagree with this statement personally, I think I am a viable tank, when we dont have a pally or guard or other like that in group. I would prefer however to stand behind the mob and not tank but try and do some dmg.

zabor · 03-24-2006, 09:18 PM

I always thought being guild leader requires some eloquency. I'm not reading posts from a guy who is too lazy to read his own stuff.Hell, even my own english is better, and i only learned english a few years in school.

auk · 03-24-2006, 09:23 PM

What does a bruiser soloing feat thread have to do with monk tanking ability? please enlighten me.

Iari111 · 03-24-2006, 10:12 PM

TheEasternKing wrote:
i dont care if ONLY one monk worldwide can do this there are no plate tanks worldwide who can

How can you be sure about that? There could very well be a guard out there well enough equipped to pull this off, but not stupid enough to post it for all to see.

Iari111 · 03-24-2006, 10:22 PM

Zaboron,

Amazing really. First you show no remorse whatsoever for being the catalyst to this particular new round of nerf cries and trolls on the monk boards.. and now you insult people on their spelling and grammar and "eloquency", rather than posting on topic. How very mature of you :smileyindifferent:

Message Edited by Iari111 on 03-24-200609:24 AM

shaolen · 03-24-2006, 10:31 PM

TheEasternKing wrote:
Well guys you really make me laugh.

You constantly come to the guard boards and complain your not balanced or viable tanks ....utter BS

I have never posted anything on the guardian boards.

We come here in repsonse to a post about something we cannot do and were a bunch of idiots and morons

I couldn't have said it better.

Krozl · 03-24-2006, 11:01 PM

Not quite there yet DarkerAprentice but yes, i see your point, we do eventually get 1 or 2 extra AE type attacks

Kasandria · 03-24-2006, 11:10 PM

DNFTEM

(Do Not Feed The Energy Monster)

03-24-2006, 06:58 PM	#8
selch Lord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 1,305	So you rolled back guardian and now regretting it but lazy to level your monk up but easier to come and bash here? What is balance? If you have the item she had in that picture, you would solo it easier than her. Repeat it is not about skills or spells, it is about item that continously stiffling the mob (which is fixed and balanced back yesterday) and now you have an excuse to spread your nerf cries over a screenshot taken with an item of the past? You are plate tanks and having advantage of this, with AA's you certainly have a nice avoidance more over than any monk, plus you want more DPS over it. So I'm guessing who is greedy here. You can't have everything at once. Stiffle + kill, it is easy... You may not want to imagine her without this stiffling. In shreads we say. Please, go back where you come and quit it before you get suspended from trolling. Message Edited by selch on 03-24-200606:07 AM __________________

03-24-2006, 07:11 PM	#9
SirHobbs Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 14	Krozlan wrote: Why is it that one person, one Monk out of hundreds, nah thousands in game boasts that he managed to accomplish something tremendous and suddenly he is pointed out as the norm for that class? I assure you that even though he might have been able to pull this or any other feat off, 95% of the Monks out there can't, won't and never will be able to. Period. We do decent as Solo content. I can even manage a yellow Heroic single mob, sometimes with an ^. But I can not tank real Raid content. Nor can I tank real dungeon content. Well, I am definitely not one that could boast such things. I am part of the 95% that could never pull off a feat, I struggle (with the help of tsunami before it was screwed up) to survive a white heroic no arrow. It doesnt help I cant afford nice armor and dont carry anything fabled. Krozlan makes a good point though, this guy I dont think is the norm out there and still we suffer for it. It defeintely did not help to lose the Martial Line like we just did. That was one thing that helped me get those white heroics.

03-24-2006, 07:17 PM	#10
StrollingWolf Forum Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 220	Please try to keep the conversation civil. Leave the emotional responses out and stick to discussing the facts please. Hopefully I won't have to visit this thread again. __________________

03-24-2006, 07:44 PM	#11
zabor General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 425	TheEasternKing wrote: bla bla bla bla Haha.You should've rolled a paladin. Would be much more fitting for the holy crusade you are trying to start there right now. Sadly, it seems like it will turn out as a poor man's crusade.I hope you don't seriously believe you can change anything with your posts when you can't even spell correctly. __________________

03-24-2006, 07:52 PM	#13
SirHobbs Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 14	StrollingWolf wrote: Leave the emotional responses out and stick to discussing the facts please. To be as polite as possible, this post doesnt seem to have been started with civil conversation in mind. The "king" begins with an emotional response. My response is simply not all monks are equal, many differen factors come into play from equipment to stat choices. To make a sweeping claim about all monks being able to do feats like that one guy is "slight" generalization.

03-24-2006, 05:30 PM	#1
EasternKing Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,023	Well guys you really make me laugh. No plate tank can equal this feat (ref best solo effort thread ) im full kitted t6 t7 legadary fabled and i cant do it even with a few potions Not one... not a select few... 0 plate tanks can do this .........we arent calling for nerfs we are asking for balance the same things you guys were asking for for the last 12 months ....you dont like it ? tough. We cant tank Hof ? utter lies my guild brawlers tank Hof all the time..... we cant tank raids ...lies brawlers are very viable raid tanks So less of the tired old arguments brawlers are good tanks and ill call any of you out who say your not ..how ever the disparity between pajama and plate is glaringly exposed .........yes we enjoyed silly avoidence for about a week thats now been fixed but ill tell you this even with my silly avoidence from the stam line I STILL COULDNT TAKE AN EVEN CON ^^^^ HEROIC NAMED that was a fighter. You constantly come to the guard boards and complain your not balanced or viable tanks ....utter BS We come here in repsonse to a post about something we cannot do and were a bunch of idiots and morons cos we think its wrong ? please grow up Message Edited by TheEasternKing on 03-24-200604:38 AM Message Edited by TheEasternKing on 03-24-200605:04 AM

03-24-2006, 05:43 PM	#2
kinkst Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5	and ure point is ??

03-24-2006, 06:01 PM	#3
Parasite Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Belgium - Europe Posts: 53	The fact that he can't spell But then again i'm not that much better :p And for the 40th time. Yes we can do it, tank epic*4 etc , but why bother if a plate tank does it just as well ? U get taunts , we don't quite have that , we do damage to keep agro. Yes it makes us good solo-ers, not every brawler achieves that kill tough ... TBH i think all the classes are broken , but then again they are still nerfing and boosting classes in EQ1 i believe no ? Greetings

03-24-2006, 06:03 PM	#4
Parasite Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Belgium - Europe Posts: 53	Please lock / delete this thread Got enough of these already think 50% of the brawler / guardian topics on this forum are from this guy.

03-24-2006, 06:44 PM	#5
Krozl Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 43	Why is it that one person, one Monk out of hundreds, nah thousands in game boasts that he managed to accomplish something tremendous and suddenly he is pointed out as the norm for that class? I assure you that even though he might have been able to pull this or any other feat off, 95% of the Monks out there can't, won't and never will be able to. Period. We do decent as Solo content. I can even manage a yellow Heroic single mob, sometimes with an ^. But I can not tank real Raid content. Nor can I tank real dungeon content. My personal avoidance is in the low 70's, mitigation is the high 30'slow 40's. Typically a real raid is several levels above you to have anything worth spit drop. If i have a dedicated Druid, Shammy and Templar, sure I can tank anything in game...but then again a Wizard could [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near do the same with that set up! We only get 1 AE attack and 1 AOE Taunt with significant refresh timers, even at Master 1 in each, it is a constant struggle to try and keep aggo when fighting a group of mobs. Yes we can tank, but nowhere near at the level of other tanks. So go back to your own boards, stop trolling and pull your panties out of there wad. Rest assured we are not taking your job by any means.

03-24-2006, 06:50 PM	#6
EasternKing Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,023	Double post. Message Edited by TheEasternKing on 03-24-200607:18 AM

03-24-2006, 06:50 PM	#7
EasternKing Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,023	Guys your arguments are lame i played a monk as my first toon and i know how bad we were back then.... now they are no where near as bad as they were pre lu 13 and yet you still continue to spout the same tired arguments we cant do this we cant do that well they fixed monk and bruisers pretty damm good and i dont care if ONLY one monk worldwide can do this there are no plate tanks worldwide who can So where is the balance ? there isnt any balance ..period And yes i rolled a monk as my first toon played him all the way to 50 took me a good while as this was my first mmorpg an you know what when i realised how bad they sucked at raid tanking i rolled a guard cos i wanted to tank raids .........since then we have had our combat revamp and i tell you now compared to what monsk / bruisers were they are awesome now. So please less of the i dont have a clue what im talking about i played both class's into the ground and i know what each class is capable of and what it isnt .......do i need to put my monks name and level back on my sig ? Will that mean then i can post about a tank imbalance without getting insulted ? Message Edited by TheEasternKing on 03-24-200605:55 AM Message Edited by TheEasternKing on 03-24-200605:56 AM

03-24-2006, 07:50 PM	#12
Anjin Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 423	'Will that mean then i can post about a tank imbalance without getting insulted ?' Given that your OP contained the following: 'Well guys you really make me laugh.' I don't think it's a great suprise that your post is treated with the derision it deserves. Anjin

03-24-2006, 08:10 PM	#14
EasternKing Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,023	I hope you don't seriously believe you can change anything with your posts when you can't even spell correctly So for people who have spelling problems its perfectly ok to be rude and insulting ? so not only can i not defend my views when insulted if i miss-spell things your going to personally insult me for that as well ? thanks i hope your really happy and feeling good about yourself for insulting someone who has spelling / typing issues. Really mature of you Zaboron. And this isnt a flame fest we had 8 months plus of brawlers posting about what " They " percived as things wrongs with the tanking system and class balance Now a guard does it and im trying to incite / insult / and waste peoples time ? yes you guys do make me laugh and yes im sorry i have spelling typing issues ...what i dont have a problem with is sticking up for myself and what " I See " as imbalances Just like Gaige does and all the other people on these Forums.

03-24-2006, 08:10 PM	#15
Asheng Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Alexandria, Va Posts: 109	While i agree this post should be locked, it's not about monks, it's just a troll trying to bait us here is my arguement for you"plate tanks worldwide who can"You've obviously never seen a well equipped berserker, with all his timers up fight a mob. Lets not forget the 2h 10% stun sword. Your problem isn't that other classes can't do it, it's that YOU as a guardian can't do it. because your such a defensive class with weak damage output. That doesn't reflect on the brawler, we can't asorb 12k vanquish blows at all. You can. Instead we can do better damage.Guardians are awesome now, im sorry, but it's true. they do what they were made to do, very well, and thats tank stuff. Switch a paladin or a monk in for the same raid as a guardian, and you will see a big difference.Your basically trolling for the sake of trolling. Message Edited by Ashengur on 03-24-200610:11 AM __________________ Ashrar 70 Kerran Monk, Unrest Enlightened Dark

03-24-2006, 08:11 PM	#16
DarkerApprenti Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 62	Krozlan wrote: Why is it that one person, one Monk out of hundreds, nah thousands in game boasts that he managed to accomplish something tremendous and suddenly he is pointed out as the norm for that class? I assure you that even though he might have been able to pull this or any other feat off, 95% of the Monks out there can't, won't and never will be able to. Period. We do decent as Solo content. I can even manage a yellow Heroic single mob, sometimes with an ^. But I can not tank real Raid content. Nor can I tank real dungeon content. My personal avoidance is in the low 70's, mitigation is the high 30'slow 40's. Typically a real raid is several levels above you to have anything worth spit drop. If i have a dedicated Druid, Shammy and Templar, sure I can tank anything in game...but then again a Wizard could [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near do the same with that set up! We only get 1 AE attack and 1 AOE Taunt with significant refresh timers, even at Master 1 in each, it is a constant struggle to try and keep aggo when fighting a group of mobs. Yes we can tank, but nowhere near at the level of other tanks. So go back to your own boards, stop trolling and pull your panties out of there wad. Rest assured we are not taking your job by any means. I agree with your post but I want to point out with dragon breath and the WIS AA line you can have 3 AE attacks and a chance to hit several (up to 4) creatures nearby multiple times. __________________

03-24-2006, 08:13 PM	#17
Ssinis Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 52	SirHobbs wrote: To be as polite as possible, this post doesnt seem to have been started with civil conversation in mind. The "king" begins with an emotional response. My response is simply not all monks are equal, many differen factors come into play from equipment to stat choices. To make a sweeping claim about all monks being able to do feats like that one guy is "slight" generalization. I think this is more then a slight generalization, more of a huge generalization __________________

03-24-2006, 08:21 PM	#18
Shankonia Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 231	You kill me TheEasternKing. There is a balance among tanks. Just because a handful of folks want to tank just as well as Guards and Zerkers dosn't mean we all do. If I wanted to roll a MT, I would have quit my monk and rolled a Guard. I do not want to be a raid MT, sure i'd like to every now and then, but MT in groups and raid is YOUR JOB. We fill in the role when you are not available to do your job. That is why you play a Guard. I play a monk for the versatility of the class and my ability to solo. Nerf the monk because some uber monk hits a lucky avoidance streak and solo's a lvl 71 named? Get real man. You rolled a monk to lvl 50 and went Guard because you wanted to tank raids. Good move since Guards are in fact better raid tanks. You say Brawlers, Monks speciffically are much better than we were pre LU17? YES, we are. Thank goodness we are since before that update Troubs were better tanks, DPS and group utility than Monks. Guards got a small nerf, Monks got a bit of a boost which puts us on an even and balanced plane. Another point i'd like to make is the fact that we know how to solo. We don't stand around at the entrance to some zone with our LFG tag up standing around. We go out and fight. We Feign Death when we get in trouble, and we try the encounter again, and again and again until we get it just right or lucky and win. After a few rounds if we can't get it, we give up and find a group to kill it. IT's called strategy. Once get get better gear and spell upgrades, we'll come back and try the encounter again. Only the top brawlers in game can solo even con ^^^'s anyway man, and even then it has to be a certain type of mob. If that top brawler can't do it, i'm willing to bet the top Mystic can. Regarding tanking zones such as HoF, or other instances, sure it is possible. Could we do at lvl 67? No way jose. Can average lvl 70 Joe Monk tank it? Possibly, but I doubt the group would hang out in there long enough to find out after 5% debt. Very viable raid tanks? Sure, on a solo encounter, our top plate dosn't show we have the right group setup we can do it, hell, a Conj. pet could probably do it with the right group. But brawler and THE exclusive raid MT, someone who is going to tank every encounter in an instance, name one Monk who has done it and is the designated MT in guild raid group for T7 content. I didn't think so. I could name the Warriors who are but it would take way to long to type it all out. We are better soloers, you are better in groups. Class balance is what it is. Stop arguing for all classes to be equal and parallel. That is plain dumb. You make all tanks the same, all dps the same, and all healers the same, you are left with an amazingly stupid game that nobody would play. Quit whining on our forums TheEasternKing and think about what you are arguing about. We all have our frustrations while in game. Please go cry to you mom next time and if she dosn't want to listen, at least make some sense before you post again. An Eruidite Guardian.........

03-24-2006, 08:23 PM	#19
SirHobbs Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 14	Ssinista wrote: SirHobbs wrote: To be as polite as possible, this post doesnt seem to have been started with civil conversation in mind. The "king" begins with an emotional response. My response is simply not all monks are equal, many differen factors come into play from equipment to stat choices. To make a sweeping claim about all monks being able to do feats like that one guy is "slight" generalization. I think this is more then a slight generalization, more of a huge generalization :smileywink: hehe, just trying to be polite. I agree huge is a better adjective than slight

03-24-2006, 08:29 PM	#20
SirHobbs Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 14	Shankonia wrote: Nerf the monk because some uber monk hits a lucky avoidance streak and solo's a lvl 71 named? Class balance is what it is. Stop arguing for all classes to be equal and parallel. That is plain dumb. You make all tanks the same, all dps the same, and all healers the same, you are left with an amazingly stupid game that nobody would play. That is the point, it seems the whole argument is based off this uber monk who got lucky. So we should stop arguing and have distinct difference between the classes like you said Shakonia. I play a monk for the versatility, not to be like a paladin or a guardian. I dont want to get hit but avoid the hit. Similar to the 5 D's of Dogdeball :smileywink:. If all were equal class would be pointless and the only difference would be race and gender. Who knows maybe that is the next goal, equal classes and before we know it no gender differences.... Message Edited by SirHobbs on 03-24-200607:33 AM

03-24-2006, 08:44 PM	#21
RipFlex Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	We the fact is it is easier with a Guardian/Berzerker than with a Monk/Bruiser. Infact I will respond to this fact once I get more Guardian levels. That's right, I was confused of these old Debates that I rolled a Guardian. Facts sofar - My low level guardian been in 32 RAIDS starting at Antonica, yes these are low levels but I started pick up raiding at 20th level and now my Guard is 30th level with just Legendary made equipment. My Monk done 2 at 50th level and was 2 shot killed often (BTW my Guardian hasn't died once in the 32 raids) but manage with great effort to beat them. It wasn't fun as it was with my Guardian. Problem I see a Monk who wants to Raid has to be slipped a few Fables before even starting where as a guardian can start right at pristine crafted equipment. Not my Tanking method, I keep aggro all the time with both classes, just seems the spike damage is severe again... or a nasty debuff on me not removed quick enough smokes my Monk. Now this perception is a bit off mainly my Guardian is still low level and my Monk is 66th level and only tried the epicx4 in his low 50s and I haven't bothered since. Now Gaige prolly tell me different, I dunno, just seems easier with a Guardian right now.... __________________ RipEscence Tourniquet - HalfElf Templar/Prov (70/70) RipLee TigerTail - Ratonga Monk/Wood Worker (70/54) RipJack Monterey- Ratonga Guardian (70) Riplyre Dredwind - Fae Dirge/Alch (70/30)

03-24-2006, 09:12 PM	#22
EasternKing Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,023	http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=11755 ok guys while we keep getting posts like this one and the one on your own boards ..plate tanks will continue to ask for balance . yes its an old thread and no its not just bruisers there are monk posts in there as well and its not 1 person ......so while ill agree the majority cant some can and a lot more than 1 person This is the kinda thing that upsets plate tanks ..we get told brawlers are crap ..not a viable tank ...we need balancing against plate tanks.......then we say we want balancing against brawlers you know im quite happy to leave this topic alone and you guys can keep your amazing solo abilites ...but everytime i see a we need this that and the other... cos plate can do this and we cant .....ill start the we want to do the things brawlers can do threads again. Message Edited by TheEasternKing on 03-24-200608:14 AM

03-24-2006, 09:17 PM	#23
SirHobbs Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 14	TheEasternKing wrote: This is the kinda thing that upsets plate tanks ..we get told brawlers are crap ..not a viable tank ...we need balancing against plate tanks.......then we say we want balancing against brawlers Well, I disagree with this statement personally, I think I am a viable tank, when we dont have a pally or guard or other like that in group. I would prefer however to stand behind the mob and not tank but try and do some dmg.

03-24-2006, 09:18 PM	#24
zabor General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 425	I always thought being guild leader requires some eloquency. I'm not reading posts from a guy who is too lazy to read his own stuff.Hell, even my own english is better, and i only learned english a few years in school. __________________

03-24-2006, 09:23 PM	#25
auk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	What does a bruiser soloing feat thread have to do with monk tanking ability? please enlighten me.

03-24-2006, 10:12 PM	#26
Iari111 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 159	TheEasternKing wrote: i dont care if ONLY one monk worldwide can do this there are no plate tanks worldwide who can How can you be sure about that? There could very well be a guard out there well enough equipped to pull this off, but not stupid enough to post it for all to see.

03-24-2006, 10:22 PM	#27
Iari111 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 159	Zaboron, Amazing really. First you show no remorse whatsoever for being the catalyst to this particular new round of nerf cries and trolls on the monk boards.. and now you insult people on their spelling and grammar and "eloquency", rather than posting on topic. How very mature of you :smileyindifferent: Message Edited by Iari111 on 03-24-200609:24 AM

03-24-2006, 10:31 PM	#28
shaolen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 129	TheEasternKing wrote: Well guys you really make me laugh. You constantly come to the guard boards and complain your not balanced or viable tanks ....utter BS I have never posted anything on the guardian boards. We come here in repsonse to a post about something we cannot do and were a bunch of idiots and morons I couldn't have said it better. __________________

03-24-2006, 11:01 PM	#29
Krozl Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 43	Not quite there yet DarkerAprentice but yes, i see your point, we do eventually get 1 or 2 extra AE type attacks

03-24-2006, 11:10 PM	#30
Kasandria Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	DNFTEM (Do Not Feed The Energy Monster)