Can a guardian bring anything to a RAID other thank MT & MA

[Zodi]

Fellow Guardians:

 

I wish we could bring anything else to a RAID other than MT or MA. I have seen our brothers brawlers kicking butt in the DPS department. I am actually glad for them. I think it is awesome that they get to do that. I wish all fighter classes with the right AA's and CA's focus could bring T1 DPS to a raid.

 

I would like to picture my guardian more as a gladiator than a plate warrior. I wish I could spec my guy that way.

 

If there is anyone who has tried our DPS AA's lines. Please post your feedback

 

LAST BUT NOT LEAST:

This post is not intenteded to flame, ask for a class change, nerf of other classes or anythign like that. I just a player who would like to try break the mold of the guardian TANK

 

Thank you

[Rah]

NO

but thats just me

Rahge

[Blindi]

I am also going to have to agree here.

No

[Berek_IronAxe]

Absolutely not - Our job is MT/MA.  If we are not filling those slots then we are merely taking up space in the Raid.

I am working on the STR AA Line and it has increased my DPS to a decent level but not to the level of the Fighter classes.  But I did not create a Guardian to be DPS but the Wall of Metal and Flesh between me and my Group.  That is our Role. 

If you want a DPS Fighter I would recommend Monk/Bruiser or if you want an all around Fighter go Pallie/SK.

But that is my 2 cents worth. 

[mastersard]

Again, no.  Even if you spec AAs for DPS, any other melee class specced any other way will still out DPS you, usually with auto attack alone.

[Ep]

if raid is missing bards or the like, can always group up a swash/assasin with a guard so they can aggro dump on guard and they can go all out. I'm pretty serious here too. And no a pally would be grouped with a caster nuker instead, since they can amends thier aggro.

[DynamicPerforman]

My guild only has 2 guards so this has not been a problem.

 

What we do(or plan to once we all get off spring break) is have 1 guard tank morning raid, then have 1 tank evening raid. That way we get them both raiding. 

 

Sadly the guard's purpose in life is tanking.  Just like the templar's purpose is to heal.  Or a wizzy to do dps. You don't see wizzy's complaing that ALL they do is dps do you? Guards deserve more utility, so that they are on par with other pure classes.

 

Dynamicman out...

Message Edited by DynamicPerformance on 04-13-2006 12:08 PM

[Kelkirra]

I will agree with you on that to an extent. Guardians are MT/MA for raids. I don't know how any of you run your raids, but if the MA is not the back-up tank for when a situation goes bad, then the guardian has a different role as back-up MT. I also want to thank you for not gripping/whinning/trying to get other classes nerfed and for all of you that have posted knowing that the guardian is a MT class. It shows that there are some out there that do understand what your class is all about.

 

Naldir Veglarn

68 SK for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

[Rah]

If the non-guardian responses are not blatant attempts at baiting then I am a pajama tank!

Rahge

70 Guardian

[Kelkirra]

I am not baiting what-so-ever. I have read soooooooo many of the posts on these boards and the guardian boards seem to have some of the biggest complaints. I am seriously happy to see someone that is happy with their class. Now, if you consider someone being truly appreciative with a non-complaining post ten you can consider it baiting. I enjoy reading what all of the classes have to offer as I have a few alts myself and like to know what to expect in the higher end of the game. Ergo, I'm not baiting, just seriously happy to see a thead without a single complaint. To all of those that are happy with their roles as MT and happy with their class, congratz for realizing this. And to the individual that believes I'm baiting, looks like you're a pajama tank.

 

Naldir Veglarn

68 SK for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

[digitalblasphemy]

We do bring a few things to the raid but they are minimal.  Ironically a Guardian as a backup MT or MA, is funny since most Guards get dumped into whatever group has a spot free.  Sometimes there's no healer in the group even.  While the MT's group is setup to their liking, the overflow Guardians get nothing.  Very funny when the MT goes down, other members of the raid say grab it, and voila, you're dead in 0.5 secs.  Ideally you'd want a 2nd and or 3rd group setup to tank, but that doesn't happen in my raiding experience.  So where does that leave us.- Assasins/Swashbucklers and other DPS classes love our agro reducing ability.  Though that's not enough to warrant a spot on a raid, it does help 1 person on the raid.- Our Intervene line of spells can be brutal but sometimes useful.  They were even better when we could intercept dmg meant for the MT, and pass it to your shield via, TOS & Intercede.  Now we take the dmg in a brutal fashion.  I've no idea if it is mitigated or not, but it's just short of a guaranteed 1-shot death when you do use it.- Our group buffs add 500hp, + to crushing/slashing/piercing and + to defense.  They are nice buffs, but in the scheme of things, mean little when choosing between a dps class or a Guardian to fill the last spot on a raid.So we are not totally useless on raids outside of MT/MA, but we are the clear [Removed for Content] children in this game and are essentially the next best thing to being useless.

[Kelkirra]

All I can really say is if your guild isn't setting up a secondary tanking group or at least having a healer or 3 in the group with the MA, who is irrevertiably going to be the back-up tank should something go wrong, then I don't believe it has anything to do with your class per sa so much as it does with your guild and their set-up for a raid. I am usually the MA for our raids and there is ALWAYS  a healer in my group if not 2. To not have a healer in every group due to the possiblity of AE's in a raid is pretty foolish in my opinion. I wouldn't take not having a healer in your group as a personal attack on your class so much a inexperience of whomever is setting up the raid. You may want to have a talk with your raid leader about this and see what can be done to prevent this from happening. Not having a healer with a back-up tank is only going to result in one thing if the MT goes down, a wipe.

 

Naldir Veglarn

69 Seasoned SK for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

[TanRaistlyn]

You gotta be braindead to not have a healer in a grp while raiding anything past T5 content...you also must be playing a different game if you dont have at least 2 healers in the group with a backup tank or OT...just common sense....

[digitalblasphemy]

Obviously the MA and or backup tank has their group setup with healers and so on.  I'm talking about the rest of us who are neither.  Let me put it to you this way.  Often I spend raids dead on the ground.  Why you ask.  Well for one, we make good AOE guinea pigs.  Another, we intercept DMG for the MT when they get low in health, and get 1 shotted for our troubles.  We are so not important to the raid makeup, rezzes are rare until the right is over.  Having a nice group makeup is something I've rarely seen outside of being MT or MA.  I've been both.  More often I am neither.  It's those times, where we truly shine in the worst possible way.

[TanRaistlyn]

Full adept 3s, the right grp, Sta and Str maxed AA lines and you can do fairly impressive numbers in dps especially with a 2hander....heres an example of a grp makeup to maximize your DPS and actually impress the raid with what you can do...of course putting an assassin in your place still means MORE dps, BUT you can still hold your own and not feel completely useless.

Dirge-Monk-Inquisitor-Assassin-SK-Guardian 

In a grp like this you can get procs from the assassin/sk/inquisitor, get the huge haste bonus from the monk and the raw dps increase from the Dirge...theres many other combinations to make a melee effient fighter grp, this is just an example.  Parse yourself in a grp like this maxed with Sta and Str line and you might surprise yourself and your Berserker buddies that you can hang with them in the dps market.  Course put a zerker in place of the guardian and youll find they still beat you...but least your not worthless!!

[Aandien]

replace the sk and the guard in that group with something better (brui, bers is good if we are talking fighters) and now you have something ... lol

Message Edited by AncientElster on 04-17-2006 02:05 PM

[Kelkirra]

Yep, the exact response that I would expect from someone unedacuted in the true mechanics of the game. The guardian is going to offer some good DPS with the procs from the SK and the STR buff from the SK as well. And replace the SK? Ok, let's talk multiple mobs here. Have you ever heard of Death March? Guess not. Put a SK in any DPS group with multiple mobs and you're going to see the DPS fly as soon as you proc Death March. But hey, how would I expect you to know that?

Naldir Veglarn

69 Seasoned Sk for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

[Aandien]

your right, the guardian would get some good dps from the procs.  However, any class you put in their place would get the same 'good dps from the procs'.  Put a berserker in just their place and now the rest of the group gets to benefit from some 'good dps from the procs' of the berserker!

 

As for SK...yes, for group fights, I agree, its good stuff.  how many raid fights do you do where there are lots of mobs?  And does the dps on those fights really matter all that much?  Dps generally matters against the boss -- and there is generally only 1 of those.  Again, put someone else there and they get +haste or whatever for the whole group...

 

Of course, if you *have* to put a guardian or shadowknight somewhere...then yah, your suggestion is a good place for them.  But if you could replace them....why not?  I believe thats the point of the thread :smileytongue:

Message Edited by AncientElster on 04-17-2006 02:17 PM

[Kelkirra]

As with most players, which is a major concern with us SK, to you all there is no actual place for a SK in your raids. I have read many of the guardian threads and the biggest complaint that I have with them is the fact that they complain about not being useful enough. Guys, come on. You are the MT/MA of most if not all major raids for a good reason.  The warrior class is geared towards tanking and thus you receive the proper tools to do so. As with this individuals opinion, SK have no place in raids, but you complain about not being good enough. Just be glad that you at least HAVE a place in the raid where we as SK must struggle to even find a place in groups much less raids.

 

For  you information on having a SK in a raid over a major t1 DPS class. A SK will not pull agro off of the MT as much as a t1 DPSer will or even t2 DPSer for that matter but we are capable of pushing out t2 DPS if we gear ourselves right. Second, if a SK does pull agro, unlike the casters or scouts, we have the possiblity to take a hit or 2 which allows the MT or MA to grab agro back before it kills you and then wipes the rest of the healers. Granted, if we're in DPS mode, our capablity to take a hit is lessoned dramatically.

 

I agree, untill SoE does something to improve our usefullness in raiding situations, we won't have a pratical reasoning to be in a raid party. Visa vie, at least be glad you have a place in a raid guardians so stop complaining, please.

 

Naldir Veglarn

69 Seasoned SK for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

[digitalblasphemy]

We may play a class that is used as MT more than other fighters, but please get a clue.  We're not posting about being the MT or MA.  We're posting about the position 99% of the rest of us who play this class find ourselves in.  There's only one MT on raids generally, unless mob splitting is called for. The MA sometimes isn't even a fighter, but a scout class like a brigand for example.  All this talk about having the right group makeup is pointless when you experience the problems some of us, yes I'll use that word again, some of us have.  Cue the, but you're an MT/MA class tripe.  Yeah we know, we've been told that.  Unless I plan a mutiny in my guild, there's 6-7 Guardians ahead of me on the pecking order list for the MT position.  What to speak of Beserkers, Pallies and so on.  So I'm pretty much forever going to be stuck playing a raid tank class in the "dps" role.  I'm not unique in this situation.  Just look at the numbers of raiding guilds and then look at how many Guardians are in this game.With the right classes, I have seen some ok dps coming off my attacks.  But that's a rarity.  Why would I be in the dps group for example, when they could put in an assasin, bruiser, beserker, swashbuckler etc. in my place?  The haste buffers, dps mod buffers, and other attack buff classes are put with, this may come as a surprise to you... the DPS classes!  Don't come in here and tell me I don't have a clue about my class.  Everyone get's the fact that despite the combat revamp fighter "balancing" crapola, Guardians are still the preferred MT for raiding.  That only covers a minute portion of the Guardians who play this game.  The rest of us are and never will be considered DPS in any shape or form.  Never.  It doesn't matter who we are grouped with, what AA's we have or what buffs we have on us,  we are and never will be considered DPS.  There's nothing more [Removed for Content] than seeing a group asking for 1 more dps for their instanced run, and to get turned down over and over and heck, 100x over again.  Whether we can do ok dps with the perfect group makeup is irrelevant.  We get to shine as MT or group tank, and sink doing everything else.  We have the worst solo abilities, worst dueling abilites out of any fighter class.  So for the 1% of Guardians in this game who raid tank, this class rocks.  I'm talking about the rest of us who don't rock, but want to feel usefull in some way on raids.

[Kelkirra]

Ok, let me reinerate myself once again, as it seems that NONE of you that complain here actually listen. YOU'RE A FREGGING MEATSHIELD. Jesus man, who do you think is going to get picked to MT for any group when it forms? DING DING DING. It's not the SK if there is a guardian around, it isn't even any of the brawler classes or any other fighter class for that matter. You complain about not being able to MT a raid. CHANGE GUILDS. You're not ment to be able to solo the best, leave that to the summoners, you'renot ment to DPS, leave that to the actual DPS classes. You're ment as a meatshield. If you get your way and get all of this BS that you keep going on and on and on about do you know what is going to happen to your class????!!!!! I do. Your MIT will be lowered, your HP will be lowered, your group buffs and self buffs will become almost useless and you will become unwanted and a thing of the past instead of the Glory Hog that you wish to become. Do you know what you really become then? You become the one fighter class overlooked by SoE and players alike, a SK. Hey, we have DPS, a small amount of utility and the capability to solo, but where does that really put us on the food chain? Soloing.

Keep posting flames about how broken your class is, please. You're making yourself look like a fool. You ARE a MT class. This is your role. This is your past, present and future in this game. If you want the designers to give you all that  your little heart desires, then by all means, call for a unintentional nerf on your class. If you had the DPS, extreme utility and capability to solo everything in the game then you would not have the advantages of being a MT. Welcome to reality.

Naldir Veglarn

69 Seasoned SK for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

[digitalblasphemy]

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Sarasoon wrote:

Ok, let me reinerate myself once again, as it seems that NONE of you that complain here actually listen. YOU'RE A FREGGING MEATSHIELD. Jesus man, who do you think is going to get picked to MT for any group when it forms? DING DING DING. It's not the SK if there is a guardian around, it isn't even any of the brawler classes or any other fighter class for that matter. You complain about not being able to MT a raid. CHANGE GUILDS. You're not ment to be able to solo the best, leave that to the summoners, you'renot ment to DPS, leave that to the actual DPS classes. You're ment as a meatshield. If you get your way and get all of this BS that you keep going on and on and on about do you know what is going to happen to your class????!!!!! I do. Your MIT will be lowered, your HP will be lowered, your group buffs and self buffs will become almost useless and you will become unwanted and a thing of the past instead of the Glory Hog that you wish to become. Do you know what you really become then? You become the one fighter class overlooked by SoE and players alike, a SK. Hey, we have DPS, a small amount of utility and the capability to solo, but where does that really put us on the food chain? Soloing.

Keep posting flames about how broken your class is, please. You're making yourself look like a fool. You ARE a MT class. This is your role. This is your past, present and future in this game. If you want the designers to give you all that  your little heart desires, then by all means, call for a unintentional nerf on your class. If you had the DPS, extreme utility and capability to solo everything in the game then you would not have the advantages of being a MT. Welcome to reality.

Naldir Veglarn

69 Seasoned SK for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

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Interesting read.  I know nothing about SK's.  I've never stated anything other than my own experiences playing a Guardian.  Unless you know something about playing a guard, I suggest you shut up about how I'm supposed to play my class.Do a search on these forums and see that infact you're plenty wrong in your assumption a guard is a better group tank.  Brawlers and Beserkers do far better than us.  HoF is the exception and not the rule of thumb here.  Read the title of this thread Einstein.  We're not talking about being MT.  Where have I or anyone asked to solo the best, do the best dps and tank the best?  Telling me to change guilds is as informative as telling me to re-roll.  Your reality and mine are very different.  The class I am playing now is not the same one I rolled when I first started playing this game.The only fool here is you.  You're calling me a fool, yet you don't play my class.  Do you see anyone here posting about your class?  No.  We are posting about our own class with which we have experience with.How many Guardians do you see beating SK's in duels?  Virtually none.  So you're telling me your class is [Removed for Content], yet you wax the floor of our class in dueling.  In every duel I've ever had with an SK, I've been anihilated.  That tells me maybe, you're not so [Removed for Content] at all.  Are we talking about you being an MT, no.  We're talking about roles outside of MT/MA.  That would mean groups, duels, solo.  If HoF wasn't in the equation, then a guardian would not be the preferred class to do any of those 3 things I just listed.  Sure we can tank in groups just fine, but other fighters can do it far better than us, with less downtime and less power usage.Go post in another topic if you feel the urge to respond here with you informative rants on how we are MT's and nothing else.  If that's your logic, then accept your own classes problems and deal with it.

[Ep]

in a raidany kind of dps stackshealers(to a certain point) stack pretty welltanks do not stack, if you stack more than 2 tanks in a raid most would view it as a waste of a spot, in reality it would be if your raid was full and there were more ppl waiting to raid with you.so in 24 person raid, where you have lots of fighters, you keep the brawlers b/c they give +haste/dps to the group and do the best dps of the class and are the occasional pulleryou keep a berserker or 2 can have group practically live off the regen and in dps group berserker does wonders.Pally to keep around if your low on troubs, and you need to siphon aggro from a crazy casterSK to give a dps group procs and adds to overall dpsguard... nothing, unless like i said you had room, and you want to put aggro xfer on some1, do it on the lowest dps.Honestly if a Guard is not MT or MA then theres no need to be anything else, tanks do not stack in general, you can use the group buffs of the other tanks, but theres nothing for a guard.

[Wabit]

umm if i'm not MT i bring the popcorn...

but also if i'm not MT (i like breaks too) our zerker or SK is MT...  at that point i'm shoved in whatever group, no biggie to me...  healer or no, i will intentionaly pull agro at somepoint in the named fights (i'm usually in the top 3 cause of transfers)...  guardians have the best survivability of all the tank classes against epics...  i just use myself as a buffer for when bad spikes are hitting, agro bouncing, whatever...  if i was going for a pure OT role it would be wis/agi lines...  i'll probably live for a good 20 secs then without a heal...  by then the MT HP is stable, and hes gotten himself back on top of the hate list...

but for the rest of the raid i'll just chill in put up low dps numbers, be the AE caller (i can live threw most of em), and eat the popcorn...

we're not a big guild (like 34 active ppl), but we have the ability to kill most everything...  the hardest thing about me being in the raid and another tank tanking is i've gotten the raidforce pretty well trained on my agro control...  SK's agro control is alot different...

but having the other tank classes tankin does have its advantages...  like when the expansion came out my comp didn't like it, i would crash like every 10 mins...  we still cleared the new raid zone with me, zerker, and SK all taking turns at MTing...

for those in guilds with 8 million tanks, find a new guild...  a guild of 30 can do as much and a guild of 60...  if you can tank gear isn't an issue (spend a week in labs 2 grouping all the trash and you'll be fabled out)...  there are very few tanks on my server i'd invite to my guild...  and of those few i've never grouped with any of them...  a good/proven raid tank can pretty much live on his reputation...

[Gungo]

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digitalblasphemy wrote:

Sure we can tank in groups just fine, but other fighters can do it far better than us, with less downtime and less power usage.

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alittle research as you said will do wonders to show who most healers think are the best grouping tank. Funny how you don't see threads complaining about gaurd tanking groups.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=24470  -templar

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=14&message.id=8381 -inquisitor

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=20&message.id=3914 - defiler

[TanRaistlyn]

To the bitter SK that keeps posting:

I understand your concerns as they are shared across the board between all plate classes that are not MTs or OTs.  We have 2 SKs in our guild atm and personally I love having a SK along with me on my raids...They have a mariad or resources that make them valuable in many different situations.  If your raid leader isnt making use of your particular skills might be time to sit down and talk with him and straighten things out. :smileyvery-happy:  If thats not doable start looking around for another raiding guild that you can join that will use you to the best of your abilities.

With the right AA's and right gear I have seen our raid SK go into tier 1 dps in the right grps and fights...competing up there with the wizards...I have also seen our best equipped zerker hitting the top three spots on parsers in raids as well...its all in the gear and grp makeup.  SKs do well as OTs in the same grp as the MT guard, as they can put on their lifetap proc on the guard, boost the guards mitigation, ward the guard with a lifetap ward, and intercede and generally hope to live since of the MT grp buffs.  Ask your raid leader to set up his next MT grp like this and watch how awesome you can be in this kinda set-up:

Guardian(MT) - Templar - Defiler - Coercer - SK - Warden  or this one works even better for SK DPS in MT grp:  Guardian(MT) - Templar - Defiler - Coercer - Dirge - SK...try that either way and watch how neat it is being able to live thrue AOES, get in there and not hold back with DPS, intercede to save the Guard on those ruff fights, ward him, even step in and tank if the Guard dies, and so on and so on.

Any class can be useful and provide a valuable service during raids, it just relies on your raid leader to know what each class can do.

[Kelkirra]

Please do not get me wrong here, I am not complaining about my class as I love playing a SK. My only point here is to show the guardians in question that they can play supporting roles in a raid outside of MT/MA and that they themselves are capable of more than they give themselves credit for.

Now, for the enstein that stated that I don't know what I'm talking about because I've never played a guardian. Dood, I've played every class in the game and this includes guardians. I know what they are capable of just as I do my own class and NONE of the ppl that complain on these boards are truly playing their toons to the full degree that they can be. Call me a fool for attempting to give a piece of helpful advice. Ok, go and talk to EK about the issue and you're going to get pretty much this:

Our class sucks because we can't do everything. Follow my logic and help me in getting all other classes nerfed.

There are many roles for the tanking classes outside of tanking. I raid with my guild, I have MT raids in the past but my main role when raiding is as an added DPS/utility. I MA/OT most raids in my guild but as with a good many guilds that raid, there isn't much known about how to play with a SK because we're either not being played in the guild or not raiding with them due to being replaced by another healer/DPS/tanking class. Fact here is, I know my class, the game mechanics and a good deal about every class in the game itself AND, most importantly IMHO, I enjoy playing my class despite nerfs.

 

Naldir Veglarn

69 Seasoned SK for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

[digitalblasphemy]

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Sarasoon wrote:

Please do not get me wrong here, I am not complaining about my class as I love playing a SK. My only point here is to show the guardians in question that they can play supporting roles in a raid outside of MT/MA and that they themselves are capable of more than they give themselves credit for.

Now, for the enstein that stated that I don't know what I'm talking about because I've never played a guardian. Dood, I've played every class in the game and this includes guardians. I know what they are capable of just as I do my own class and NONE of the ppl that complain on these boards are truly playing their toons to the full degree that they can be. Call me a fool for attempting to give a piece of helpful advice. Ok, go and talk to EK about the issue and you're going to get pretty much this:

Our class sucks because we can't do everything. Follow my logic and help me in getting all other classes nerfed.

There are many roles for the tanking classes outside of tanking. I raid with my guild, I have MT raids in the past but my main role when raiding is as an added DPS/utility. I MA/OT most raids in my guild but as with a good many guilds that raid, there isn't much known about how to play with a SK because we're either not being played in the guild or not raiding with them due to being replaced by another healer/DPS/tanking class. Fact here is, I know my class, the game mechanics and a good deal about every class in the game itself AND, most importantly IMHO, I enjoy playing my class despite nerfs.

Naldir Veglarn

69 Seasoned SK for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

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Ok then, since you know so much about playing a guardian, in your words, enlighten us on how we should be playing in raids as neither the MT or MA.  Forget that the rest of the raiding force don't and won't ever consider a guardian to be a viable dps option.  Let's put that aside shall we, and you can tell us what group makeup we should be in.  Then I'll ask the real dps melee classes to step aside since I need the buffs more than they do and I'll post back my results eh!?  Sounds good?  While the SK looks at his notes, I'll get back on topic.  The one thing we did have going for us was the TOS > Intercede combination.  Was awesome.  I had 20+ tower shields in my bag and was able to siphon of dmg meant for the MT.  Then they changed one of the spells and that combo didn't work anymore.  We can still Intercept, but it's unmitigated.  Now I rarely use that spell as it means certain death.  The Intercept line of spells is the only spell we have that is raidwide.  The rest is group only.  Our Anchor/Entrench spell is useful to a degree and is something I use often.  We have one spell that will lower the dps of the mob for a small duration of time.  That of course is used in constant rotation.  On the ranged fights, apart from my bow, all I can do is cast hex dolls on the mobs.  That does help, but can be done by any class in the raid.After reading that, the only thing we have that's unique to a raid is our dps decrease spell, and Anchor/Entrench.  I'm pretty sure Beserkers have the same dps decreaser spell as well, though under a different name and a slight decrease in it's effectiveness.Back to the SK, if you're gonna post here telling me I don't know my class, then show us your real knowledge and provide examples of what options are available for guardians on raids, outside of MT/MA and backup tank.  Don't  just tell me I'm doing it wrong, prove it to us all.

[DynamicPerforman]

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*calms down*

 

Basically I said: Monk's were not considered to be good tanks for a long time, I have had to FORCE some groups to let me tank.

 

Try this: Max your STR and your INT(yes, int gives you proc damage) Find a nice procing 1-hander, a good buckler. Good utility(stifle BP) and dps (procing arms) armor. Max the STA line, time your CA.

 

Have you seriously tried DPSing?

 

Dynamicman out...

 

[Kelkirra]

Allright, here ya go. Since you assume that I am trying to tell you how to play your class, I will. I'll do your job for you on creating a DPS group geared around maximizing the amount of DPS that you can produce, providing that you have taken the appropriate course of measure to gear yourself properly through gear, stats and AA's. The following is a group make-up focused around a guardian, since you seem to believe that you're the center of attention, and I'll even take the time to put in a different color beside each class in the group the reasoning for adding them to this group. If you don't understand the description, please, feel free to PM me and I'll see if I can find a font in crayola so that you can have a greater understanding.

Guardian  Meat and potatos of our group. Ensuring that the guardian is either using the buckler maximizing his AA skill or duel weild with either decent procs or good DR to maximize DPS

Dirge/Trouby  Group DPS and power regen buffs so that you can increase your DPS and not waste as much power through the encounter

Brawler  Group haste buff to increase your swing rate to maximize your DPS

Coercer  Group power regen and a single target DPS buff placed on the guardian to increase DPS

Fury  Heals and a single target buff that increases the DPS of a target while stifling the Fury

SK/Zerker  Either SK for group STR and proc buffs or a Zerker for group STR buff and group buff that allows the zerkers party members to become "enraged" adding to your DPS. Also an AOE MIT debuff from the SK to improve the overall DPS from your melee and all classes hexing, as they should in a raid.

 

Now, I want you to understand that this group make-up is only circumstantional as all groups are. With this group you could DRASTICALLY increase your DPS as a guardian and end up on the parse easily.

My posts have been mere suggestions thus far, only to help out a fellow fighter since we seem to be the target of the nerf bat more often than not. Your primary role in a raid though, is the MT/MA/OT. ANY class can be used as DPS although the t1 and t2 DPSers are usually chosen. A good many of our raids consist of several fighters and our guardians are not always the MT/MA/OT, they do play the DPS role quite often. You are beating up on your own class. Now, if you seriously don't believe that you can parse on the DPS list with this make-up and actually ATTEMPTING to DPS then by all means, show us what the "master" knows. O_o o_O

Naldir Veglarn

69 Seasoned SK for the New Outriders of Mistmoore

Message Edited by Sarasoon on 04-18-2006 05:18 PM