Healer and Enchanter Questions

Squigglle · 07-16-2009, 05:39 PM

Ok so i just dropped The Bazaar, i was so sick of the dead server. so im on AB and its booming it seems. i was wondering, tho....

i made a coercer on AB, its cool but i die alot of the DPS isnt up there. i realise its a support class more then dps tho. so jw does coercer get better at higher levels? im lvl14 i beleive

also i was looking into healers... i have NEVER played a healer so i figured maybe i should try it. my questions this tho...

what healers use shields???

what healer is most needed and most rare??

are healers that dependant of spell upgrades? i understand u dont want AP1's but i never was very good with money on EQ2 so i didnt want to be in the bother of being a healer with no cash and no Adept 3's.

i was looking into mystic i looked cool.

Sprin · 07-16-2009, 05:45 PM

Squigglle wrote:

Ok so i just dropped The Bazaar, i was so sick of the dead server. so im on AB and its booming it seems. i was wondering, tho....
i made a coercer on AB, its cool but i die alot of the DPS isnt up there. i realise its a support class more then dps tho. so jw does coercer get better at higher levels? im lvl14 i beleive
also i was looking into healers... i have NEVER played a healer so i figured maybe i should try it. my questions this tho...
what healers use shields???
what healer is most needed and most rare??
are healers that dependant of spell upgrades? i understand u dont want AP1's but i never was very good with money on EQ2 so i didnt want to be in the bother of being a healer with no cash and no Adept 3's.
i was looking into mystic i looked cool.

Coercers rewl... priests drewl! SMILEY

Yes coercers get much much much much better with DPS...

as for spell upgrades, if you arent a melee class spells are more important, since your spell "resistability" gets better with the higher level spells... so if you are casting Ap1 spells and getting resisted alot, not only are you not doing much damage, but you are wasting your power every time... so it can make killing things very time consuming... especially if you are really squishy and you need to root the mobs for them to not kill you...

Munty · 07-16-2009, 06:07 PM

Inquisitors I believe are the rarest healers in terms of numbers.

Shamans (Mystic, Defiler) and Clerics (Templar, Inq) are generally more "desired" on raids, because their healing style handles that content better, and their buffs are generally superior to Druids'. This may change though with an upcoming update, since we're getting a little love to put us more in line with the other healers (it remains to be seen how successful that will be). For heroic content however, any healing class is more than capable. So unless raiding is your ultimate goal, any healer class will work, and it really depends on your playstyle which one will work best for you.

Spell upgrades will obviously give you more healing potential. Until you reach the higher levels though I wouldn't bother buying anything more than Adept level (which would be Adept I for pre-name change) spells, since the content isn't that difficult (even when solo healing), and you'll be levelling pretty quickly anyway. That's my experience however, YMMV. I didn't bother investing in Expert level spells until I hit 70.

Sprin · 07-16-2009, 06:20 PM

Itvar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Until you reach the higher levels though I wouldn't bother buying anything more than Adept level

/nods..

you may want to buy a few adept 3's / masters per tier for your primary heals... makes life easier... its usually pretty easy to harvest one or 2 rares... harvesting 24 of them on the other hand isnt SMILEY

Ardnahoy · 07-17-2009, 10:13 PM

Mystics and wardens that chose AA melee spec are a blast to play. Cool thing about melee spec is that you never need to upgrade your offensive spells until the 70's. Drop a few copper into heals and buffs, and you are done. Melee skills self upgrade as you level.

Mystics get a pet. Wardens get a charm and teleport spells. Tons of fun as you level up.

Coercers become very powerful as they level up, but require a skilled player behind the keyboard. They can be expensive to maintain, as you need to maintin powerful spells and decent gear. You can get by with regular gear/spells, but coercers are one of those classes where upgraded gear/spells have tangible benefits. If you chose to play an enchanter, you will always have groups and raids looking for you, and you will be able to solo just about anything.

Mikkachu · 07-18-2009, 01:04 AM

Defilers usually tie with coercers as the least played class in the game. Although, having said that, I seem to run in to more Defilers at level 80 doing grouping and raiding and all that then I see Inqu's.

(Most joke that they leveled up to 80 on a Mystic, then betrayed. Or maybe it's not a joke. Hm.)

Mystics are also pretty rare- not to the same extent of the other two, but you don't run in to a lot of them.

Druids are absolutely everywhere, especially furies, and Templers are middlin-to-high on the population charts.

Also, the Inquisitor can do a melee AA spec, same as wardens and mystics. That makes the three of them generally pretty easy to level once you get the AA's (or until you get to Kunark and get shocked with 'oh hai mob hits hard D:&#39 SMILEY . Furies are also easy levelers.

Coercers DPS is tied to their charm, commonly. If you can, get a Master charm. It doesn't matter if the spell is low level, as long as it's Master- the level 20 one works fine. Keep using that one rather then replacing it with your level 32 or whatever the heck it is Charm III spell. That's one of the very few spells in the game you'll do something like that.

(If you absolutely cannot find yourself the Master, an Expert/Adept III will work. Not as well, but it does work. SMILEY )

...Honestly, though. Besides the Charm for my coercer, I really have never bought anything Expert or Master until I got to the late 60's- when those spells were my last 'upgrades'. Paticularly with a steady AA rate, you probably will not need anything besides the basics while just leveling, unless you're pushing yourself hard/trying for some crazy stunts. That goes for all classes, really. And remember, paticularly with casters like the coercer: you can concentrate more on upgrading spells and less on upgrading equipment. You don't need to buy Mastercrafted while leveling up a caster. It's nice, but- I mean, heck, if you upgrade your root, mez, and charm spells (as well as the stuns), it could be perfectly viable to never buy a piece of armor and wander around in TD gear till you hit Kunark. If I as a coercer get hit in a fight, I generally see it as I having done something wrong, so mit... doesn't matter too much.

I mean, it wouldn't be the most effective thing ever, and you'd get a lot of funny looks, but can easily save money on gear that you can toss in to spells. That's not as viable now that upper tiers got a bit of 'straightening' (save for the 60's, which is just a very weird tier, equipment-stat wise), but that once-upon-a-time sort of the general strategy.

Jehanne · 07-18-2009, 08:51 PM

Coercers get better as they get higher. As for soloability, just remember one thing: If it can be stunned it can be solo'd. That's the rule I go by with my coercer.

Inquis are the least-played class at lvl 80. Most inquis level up to 80 then betray to templar for raiding purposes. If you get a mirror you can spec DPS for soloing then swith to a heal spec for heavy healing, you kind of get the best of both worlds there.

Aule · 07-19-2009, 05:43 AM

Coercers are leet come mid 30's, and just get more leet as you level and gear up. Last I checked Defilers were actually the least played class. Coercers were the least played class for a long long time, somewhere around 3rd least now. With troubadors being 2nd least. Inquisitors used to be 2nd least, but come TSO and the fact that inquisitors are the only class that can solo cure a group their numbers rose significantly.

Soldancer · 07-19-2009, 08:22 AM

Jagone@The Bazaar wrote:

If you chose to play an enchanter, you will always have groups and raids looking for you, and you will be able to solo just about anything.

Wrong. You solo nothing in T8 because it's all immune.

07-16-2009, 05:39 PM	#1
Squigglle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 823	Ok so i just dropped The Bazaar, i was so sick of the dead server. so im on AB and its booming it seems. i was wondering, tho.... i made a coercer on AB, its cool but i die alot of the DPS isnt up there. i realise its a support class more then dps tho. so jw does coercer get better at higher levels? im lvl14 i beleive also i was looking into healers... i have NEVER played a healer so i figured maybe i should try it. my questions this tho... what healers use shields??? what healer is most needed and most rare?? are healers that dependant of spell upgrades? i understand u dont want AP1's but i never was very good with money on EQ2 so i didnt want to be in the bother of being a healer with no cash and no Adept 3's. i was looking into mystic i looked cool. __________________

07-16-2009, 05:45 PM	#2
Sprin Server: Nagafen Guild: L U S H Rank: LUSH (Supreme Drinker!) General Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,364	Squigglle wrote: Ok so i just dropped The Bazaar, i was so sick of the dead server. so im on AB and its booming it seems. i was wondering, tho.... i made a coercer on AB, its cool but i die alot of the DPS isnt up there. i realise its a support class more then dps tho. so jw does coercer get better at higher levels? im lvl14 i beleive also i was looking into healers... i have NEVER played a healer so i figured maybe i should try it. my questions this tho... what healers use shields??? what healer is most needed and most rare?? are healers that dependant of spell upgrades? i understand u dont want AP1's but i never was very good with money on EQ2 so i didnt want to be in the bother of being a healer with no cash and no Adept 3's. i was looking into mystic i looked cool. Coercers rewl... priests drewl! Yes coercers get much much much much better with DPS... as for spell upgrades, if you arent a melee class spells are more important, since your spell "resistability" gets better with the higher level spells... so if you are casting Ap1 spells and getting resisted alot, not only are you not doing much damage, but you are wasting your power every time... so it can make killing things very time consuming... especially if you are really squishy and you need to root the mobs for them to not kill you...

07-16-2009, 06:20 PM	#4
Sprin Server: Nagafen Guild: L U S H Rank: LUSH (Supreme Drinker!) General Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,364	Itvar@Antonia Bayle wrote: Until you reach the higher levels though I wouldn't bother buying anything more than Adept level /nods.. you may want to buy a few adept 3's / masters per tier for your primary heals... makes life easier... its usually pretty easy to harvest one or 2 rares... harvesting 24 of them on the other hand isnt

07-17-2009, 10:13 PM	#5
Ardnahoy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 331	Mystics and wardens that chose AA melee spec are a blast to play. Cool thing about melee spec is that you never need to upgrade your offensive spells until the 70's. Drop a few copper into heals and buffs, and you are done. Melee skills self upgrade as you level. Mystics get a pet. Wardens get a charm and teleport spells. Tons of fun as you level up. Coercers become very powerful as they level up, but require a skilled player behind the keyboard. They can be expensive to maintain, as you need to maintin powerful spells and decent gear. You can get by with regular gear/spells, but coercers are one of those classes where upgraded gear/spells have tangible benefits. If you chose to play an enchanter, you will always have groups and raids looking for you, and you will be able to solo just about anything. __________________

07-18-2009, 01:04 AM	#6
Mikkachu Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 165	Defilers usually tie with coercers as the least played class in the game. Although, having said that, I seem to run in to more Defilers at level 80 doing grouping and raiding and all that then I see Inqu's. (Most joke that they leveled up to 80 on a Mystic, then betrayed. Or maybe it's not a joke. Hm.) Mystics are also pretty rare- not to the same extent of the other two, but you don't run in to a lot of them. Druids are absolutely everywhere, especially furies, and Templers are middlin-to-high on the population charts. Also, the Inquisitor can do a melee AA spec, same as wardens and mystics. That makes the three of them generally pretty easy to level once you get the AA's (or until you get to Kunark and get shocked with 'oh hai mob hits hard D:&#39. Furies are also easy levelers. Coercers DPS is tied to their charm, commonly. If you can, get a Master charm. It doesn't matter if the spell is low level, as long as it's Master- the level 20 one works fine. Keep using that one rather then replacing it with your level 32 or whatever the heck it is Charm III spell. That's one of the very few spells in the game you'll do something like that. (If you absolutely cannot find yourself the Master, an Expert/Adept III will work. Not as well, but it does work. ) ...Honestly, though. Besides the Charm for my coercer, I really have never bought anything Expert or Master until I got to the late 60's- when those spells were my last 'upgrades'. Paticularly with a steady AA rate, you probably will not need anything besides the basics while just leveling, unless you're pushing yourself hard/trying for some crazy stunts. That goes for all classes, really. And remember, paticularly with casters like the coercer: you can concentrate more on upgrading spells and less on upgrading equipment. You don't need to buy Mastercrafted while leveling up a caster. It's nice, but- I mean, heck, if you upgrade your root, mez, and charm spells (as well as the stuns), it could be perfectly viable to never buy a piece of armor and wander around in TD gear till you hit Kunark. If I as a coercer get hit in a fight, I generally see it as I having done something wrong, so mit... doesn't matter too much. I mean, it wouldn't be the most effective thing ever, and you'd get a lot of funny looks, but can easily save money on gear that you can toss in to spells. That's not as viable now that upper tiers got a bit of 'straightening' (save for the 60's, which is just a very weird tier, equipment-stat wise), but that once-upon-a-time sort of the general strategy.

07-16-2009, 06:07 PM	#3
Munty Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Revelation Rank: Guild Leader Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48	Inquisitors I believe are the rarest healers in terms of numbers. Shamans (Mystic, Defiler) and Clerics (Templar, Inq) are generally more "desired" on raids, because their healing style handles that content better, and their buffs are generally superior to Druids'. This may change though with an upcoming update, since we're getting a little love to put us more in line with the other healers (it remains to be seen how successful that will be). For heroic content however, any healing class is more than capable. So unless raiding is your ultimate goal, any healer class will work, and it really depends on your playstyle which one will work best for you. Spell upgrades will obviously give you more healing potential. Until you reach the higher levels though I wouldn't bother buying anything more than Adept level (which would be Adept I for pre-name change) spells, since the content isn't that difficult (even when solo healing), and you'll be levelling pretty quickly anyway. That's my experience however, YMMV. I didn't bother investing in Expert level spells until I hit 70.

07-18-2009, 08:51 PM	#7
Jehanne Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 233	Coercers get better as they get higher. As for soloability, just remember one thing: If it can be stunned it can be solo'd. That's the rule I go by with my coercer. Inquis are the least-played class at lvl 80. Most inquis level up to 80 then betray to templar for raiding purposes. If you get a mirror you can spec DPS for soloing then swith to a heal spec for heavy healing, you kind of get the best of both worlds there. __________________

07-19-2009, 05:43 AM	#8
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	Coercers are leet come mid 30's, and just get more leet as you level and gear up. Last I checked Defilers were actually the least played class. Coercers were the least played class for a long long time, somewhere around 3rd least now. With troubadors being 2nd least. Inquisitors used to be 2nd least, but come TSO and the fact that inquisitors are the only class that can solo cure a group their numbers rose significantly. __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

07-19-2009, 08:22 AM	#9
Soldancer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 458	Jagone@The Bazaar wrote: If you chose to play an enchanter, you will always have groups and raids looking for you, and you will be able to solo just about anything. Wrong. You solo nothing in T8 because it's all immune.