Spell Mergers...

Pilxo · 02-06-2009, 02:22 AM

Does anyone know what happens with this...

The Dark Caress and Unholy Weapon lines have merged into the offensive and defensive stances.

Are they in BOTH stances or is one in defensiv and the other in offensive?

Thanks!!

Levatino · 02-06-2009, 11:26 AM

I think GU51 was postponed

Pilxo · 02-06-2009, 06:30 PM

Yes, but my question still remains the same....

Matia · 02-06-2009, 06:39 PM

Basically, as it stands now, they are sort of in both, sort of not.

The effects are there, but change depending on which stance you are in.

StaticLex · 02-14-2009, 04:57 AM

They should try merging some spells/CAs. My god I easily have 2 full bars of junk to spam. heh 3 if I count temp buffs, snap abilities, etc.

geophonic · 02-14-2009, 06:55 AM

there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash.

Nimbrithil · 02-14-2009, 12:29 PM

I love getting in a group with a troubie and drige both.,,,,,its freaking burtal. All those nice little spams you talked about proc all over the freaking place.

StaticLex · 02-14-2009, 02:48 PM

Corvinos@Valor wrote:

there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash.

Spare me the abject arrogance, nerd. If you need ALL these things to keep aggro then you are a nub.

Uncaged · 02-14-2009, 04:05 PM

StaticLex wrote:

Corvinos@Valor wrote:
there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash.
Spare me the abject arrogance, nerd. If you need ALL these things to keep aggro then you are a nub.

And you sir are an Azzhat. Period. Anyone who plays an SK knows you can generally get through most of these CA's while waiting for timers. Not to mention, Corvinos said nothing about holding agro. Go away Troll.

StaticLex · 02-14-2009, 04:37 PM

Uncaged wrote:

StaticLex wrote:
Corvinos@Valor wrote:
there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash.
Spare me the abject arrogance, nerd. If you need ALL these things to keep aggro then you are a nub.
Anyone who plays an SK knows you can generally get through most of these CA's while waiting for timers. Not to mention, Corvinos said nothing about holding agro.

I didn't say it wasn't possible to get through them all.. "AZZHAT".

Saying everything is a necessary tool is implicitly stating they are needed to maintain aggro since that is what TANKS do.

This is all besides the point. I HARDLY suggested all but 3 CAs should be removed or merged and this dillhole flies off the handle at me like a nerd on crack. If you people can't handle a casual observation on the intarweb then I suggest you pack up your PC and ship it back to whoever you got it from because you're going to be in for a rude awakening.

geophonic · 02-15-2009, 01:50 PM

I just commented to what you said, the skills of an SK that "clutter" your hotbars are not JUNK, they are all of good use. But you probably don´t understand this considering your reaction to my statement. And if you only "spam" those buttons I guess you have no ides of what those spells and CAs are for.

And [Removed for Content] is the "intarweb"

Matia · 02-15-2009, 02:20 PM

StaticLex wrote:

Saying everything is a necessary tool is implicitly stating they are needed to maintain aggro since that is what TANKS do.

Tank is a role, not a class.

They're talking about a class here. The class does not automatically mean the role, nor vice versa.

Nimbrithil · 02-16-2009, 02:22 PM

My Unholy arms is M1 but the other three spells, off/def stance and dark caress are all ad3...so did I waste money on the Unholy Arms?

And for my peice of mind since I play on PVP and so can't get copied to the test server,,,,,What exactly happens to our taunts whenh we are in Off stance? Def stance?

Uncaged · 02-17-2009, 07:49 PM

StaticLex wrote:

Uncaged wrote:
StaticLex wrote:
Corvinos@Valor wrote:
there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash.
Spare me the abject arrogance, nerd. If you need ALL these things to keep aggro then you are a nub.
Anyone who plays an SK knows you can generally get through most of these CA's while waiting for timers. Not to mention, Corvinos said nothing about holding agro.
I didn't say it wasn't possible to get through them all.. "AZZHAT".
Saying everything is a necessary tool is implicitly stating they are needed to maintain aggro since that is what TANKS do.
This is all besides the point. I HARDLY suggested all but 3 CAs should be removed or merged and this dillhole flies off the handle at me like a nerd on crack. If you people can't handle a casual observation on the intarweb then I suggest you pack up your PC and ship it back to whoever you got it from because you're going to be in for a rude awakening.

Sure is funny how quickly people on forums get CRAZY. He made a rude, disparaging remark for no apparent reason so I called him on it. Now, seriously, who looks like the nerd on crack. LOL, LOL.

Vaemas · 02-18-2009, 11:39 AM

Nimbrithil wrote:

My Unholy arms is M1 but the other three spells, off/def stance and dark caress are all ad3...so did I waste money on the Unholy Arms?
And for my peice of mind since I play on PVP and so can't get copied to the test server,,,,,What exactly happens to our taunts whenh we are in Off stance? Def stance?

Assuming that the current merge template doesn't change, Master I tier 7 or tier 8 unholy arms/twisted aura or caress self-buff will grant you both defensive and offensive Master I stances after GU51 goes live. I believe that a Master I of the offensive or defensive stance will only give you that stance post GU. I dropped 40 plat several weeks ago for Unholy Arms only to realize that my prior test-copy already had the Master I off/def stances. Reading through the test server popup windows on first-login clarified things for me.

As it stands now, if you are in offensive stance, the threat increase associated with a taunt does not trigger. If you do not use either stance, the threat component works. Defensive stances boosts aggression (IIRC) and I believe increases the threat generation. I'm not 100% sure on this last part since I haven't been on test for a few weeks.

You may have seen it posted already, but there is an enforced 5 second refresh delay when you toggle out of a stance. You can be in offensive smacking the crap out of stuff and immediately toggle off offensive stance. Taunts will work, but you won't be able to gain the defensive benefits of defensive until the 5 second delay cycles.

Hope that helps.

02-06-2009, 11:26 AM	#2
Levatino Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,285	I think GU51 was postponed __________________

02-14-2009, 04:57 AM	#5
StaticLex Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,230	They should try merging some spells/CAs. My god I easily have 2 full bars of junk to spam. heh 3 if I count temp buffs, snap abilities, etc. __________________ When you've played this game for ten years and gone to bat seven-thousand times and gotten two-thousand hits do you know what that really means? It means you've gone zero for five-thousand. --- Reggie Jackson

02-14-2009, 12:29 PM	#7
Nimbrithil Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 321	I love getting in a group with a troubie and drige both.,,,,,its freaking burtal. All those nice little spams you talked about proc all over the freaking place. __________________ Master Sage Burp 80 Conji/80 Sage/80 tranmuter=240 levels of poofda Master Armourer Bubb 32 Zerk/80 Armorer faction Twinkerhell 80 Shadowknight on Q side Fupu 66 conji/80 Provi Lreeza 51 monk/80 Weaponsmith Knave 51 Ranger/68 Woodworker Oscarm 80 Defiler/80 Alchy/80 tinker Lyrilanon 80 Carpenter

02-14-2009, 02:48 PM	#8
StaticLex Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,230	Corvinos@Valor wrote: there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash. Spare me the abject arrogance, nerd. If you need ALL these things to keep aggro then you are a nub. __________________ When you've played this game for ten years and gone to bat seven-thousand times and gotten two-thousand hits do you know what that really means? It means you've gone zero for five-thousand. --- Reggie Jackson

02-14-2009, 04:05 PM	#9
Uncaged Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 113	StaticLex wrote: Corvinos@Valor wrote: there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash. Spare me the abject arrogance, nerd. If you need ALL these things to keep aggro then you are a nub. And you sir are an Azzhat. Period. Anyone who plays an SK knows you can generally get through most of these CA's while waiting for timers. Not to mention, Corvinos said nothing about holding agro. Go away Troll. __________________

02-06-2009, 02:22 AM	#1
Pilxo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	Does anyone know what happens with this... The Dark Caress and Unholy Weapon lines have merged into the offensive and defensive stances. Are they in BOTH stances or is one in defensiv and the other in offensive? Thanks!!

02-06-2009, 06:30 PM	#3
Pilxo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	Yes, but my question still remains the same....

02-06-2009, 06:39 PM	#4
Matia Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 232	Basically, as it stands now, they are sort of in both, sort of not. The effects are there, but change depending on which stance you are in.

02-14-2009, 06:55 AM	#6
geophonic Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 81	there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash.

02-14-2009, 04:37 PM	#10
StaticLex Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,230	Uncaged wrote: StaticLex wrote: Corvinos@Valor wrote: there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash. Spare me the abject arrogance, nerd. If you need ALL these things to keep aggro then you are a nub. Anyone who plays an SK knows you can generally get through most of these CA's while waiting for timers. Not to mention, Corvinos said nothing about holding agro. I didn't say it wasn't possible to get through them all.. "AZZHAT". Saying everything is a necessary tool is implicitly stating they are needed to maintain aggro since that is what TANKS do. This is all besides the point. I HARDLY suggested all but 3 CAs should be removed or merged and this dillhole flies off the handle at me like a nerd on crack. If you people can't handle a casual observation on the intarweb then I suggest you pack up your PC and ship it back to whoever you got it from because you're going to be in for a rude awakening. __________________ When you've played this game for ten years and gone to bat seven-thousand times and gotten two-thousand hits do you know what that really means? It means you've gone zero for five-thousand. --- Reggie Jackson

02-15-2009, 01:50 PM	#11
geophonic Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 81	I just commented to what you said, the skills of an SK that "clutter" your hotbars are not JUNK, they are all of good use. But you probably don´t understand this considering your reaction to my statement. And if you only "spam" those buttons I guess you have no ides of what those spells and CAs are for. And [Removed for Content] is the "intarweb"

02-15-2009, 02:20 PM	#12
Matia Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 232	StaticLex wrote: Saying everything is a necessary tool is implicitly stating they are needed to maintain aggro since that is what TANKS do. Tank is a role, not a class. They're talking about a class here. The class does not automatically mean the role, nor vice versa.

02-16-2009, 02:22 PM	#13
Nimbrithil Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 321	My Unholy arms is M1 but the other three spells, off/def stance and dark caress are all ad3...so did I waste money on the Unholy Arms? And for my peice of mind since I play on PVP and so can't get copied to the test server,,,,,What exactly happens to our taunts whenh we are in Off stance? Def stance? __________________ Master Sage Burp 80 Conji/80 Sage/80 tranmuter=240 levels of poofda Master Armourer Bubb 32 Zerk/80 Armorer faction Twinkerhell 80 Shadowknight on Q side Fupu 66 conji/80 Provi Lreeza 51 monk/80 Weaponsmith Knave 51 Ranger/68 Woodworker Oscarm 80 Defiler/80 Alchy/80 tinker Lyrilanon 80 Carpenter

02-17-2009, 07:49 PM	#14
Uncaged Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 113	StaticLex wrote: Uncaged wrote: StaticLex wrote: Corvinos@Valor wrote: there is no "junk" and there is no "spam", everything is a necessary tool. more spell/ca merging is a really dumb idea, at the end you will play a WoW clone where tanks push 3 buttons, kick-taunt-slash. Spare me the abject arrogance, nerd. If you need ALL these things to keep aggro then you are a nub. Anyone who plays an SK knows you can generally get through most of these CA's while waiting for timers. Not to mention, Corvinos said nothing about holding agro. I didn't say it wasn't possible to get through them all.. "AZZHAT". Saying everything is a necessary tool is implicitly stating they are needed to maintain aggro since that is what TANKS do. This is all besides the point. I HARDLY suggested all but 3 CAs should be removed or merged and this dillhole flies off the handle at me like a nerd on crack. If you people can't handle a casual observation on the intarweb then I suggest you pack up your PC and ship it back to whoever you got it from because you're going to be in for a rude awakening. Sure is funny how quickly people on forums get CRAZY. He made a rude, disparaging remark for no apparent reason so I called him on it. Now, seriously, who looks like the nerd on crack. LOL, LOL. __________________

02-18-2009, 11:39 AM	#15
Vaemas Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 33	Nimbrithil wrote: My Unholy arms is M1 but the other three spells, off/def stance and dark caress are all ad3...so did I waste money on the Unholy Arms? And for my peice of mind since I play on PVP and so can't get copied to the test server,,,,,What exactly happens to our taunts whenh we are in Off stance? Def stance? Assuming that the current merge template doesn't change, Master I tier 7 or tier 8 unholy arms/twisted aura or caress self-buff will grant you both defensive and offensive Master I stances after GU51 goes live. I believe that a Master I of the offensive or defensive stance will only give you that stance post GU. I dropped 40 plat several weeks ago for Unholy Arms only to realize that my prior test-copy already had the Master I off/def stances. Reading through the test server popup windows on first-login clarified things for me. As it stands now, if you are in offensive stance, the threat increase associated with a taunt does not trigger. If you do not use either stance, the threat component works. Defensive stances boosts aggression (IIRC) and I believe increases the threat generation. I'm not 100% sure on this last part since I haven't been on test for a few weeks. You may have seen it posted already, but there is an enforced 5 second refresh delay when you toggle out of a stance. You can be in offensive smacking the crap out of stuff and immediately toggle off offensive stance. Taunts will work, but you won't be able to gain the defensive benefits of defensive until the 5 second delay cycles. Hope that helps.