More quest space in jounral since we'll be levelling faster?

Tanatz · 09-23-2008, 02:54 PM

Can we increase the amount of quests we can store in our journal? Levelling faster will most certainly mean more unfinished quests, which for the OCD types, has been known to cause problems *twitch*Mechanically speaking, why is there a cap on quests anyway?

ashen1973 · 09-23-2008, 02:58 PM

It has been posted in the past that the quest journal is limited to keep database sizes manageable.

But , i agree, more space is going to be helpful after these changes (space is already a problem for some)

I cant see how adding another 25-50% to the journal size would cause that much of a problem

Kordran · 09-23-2008, 04:15 PM

I think the more obsessive-compulsive types will simply have to manage their behavior and realize that they can "do it all" on multiple toons, but not on just one toon. I gather that's part of the goal for this change -- to get people to roll alts and take different paths through the content, and not try to do everything there is to do on a single character. It increases replayability, but I admit it will chaffe the "completeness freaks" amongst us who just cannot fathom leaving a stone unturned until next time. SMILEY

Oakleafe · 09-23-2008, 04:21 PM

Kordran wrote:

I think the more obsessive-compulsive types will simply have to manage their behavior and realize that they can "do it all" on multiple toons, but not on just one toon. I gather that's part of the goal for this change -- to get people to roll alts and take different paths through the content, and not try to do everything there is to do on a single character. It increases replayability, but I admit it will chaffe the "completeness freaks" amongst us who just cannot fathom leaving a stone unturned until next time.

Where do you "gather" this from? From my point of view, if they don't want us to do a quest it shouldn't be do-able! e.g. A Qeynosian can't do Freeportian based quests but can do many of the Nektolos quests.I think you've fallen for a trick; this isn't about doing the right content for the class/faction, it's about level 80 players getting new toons to level 80 to do level 80 content.

Jardon · 09-23-2008, 04:22 PM

Acctually the max size on the quest list is not limited to keep database sizes manageable, it is limited to keep lag from killing the servers.

Every time you do ANYTHING, including moving, the system is checking your quest journal to see if it needs to update a quest.

As you increase the number of quests in your journal (and the number allowed), there are more and more checks being made everytime you do anything. Multiply that by everyone on the server, and you can see how it would quickly lag the servers to death (as it did in beta when they had an unlimited size quest journal)

ke'la · 09-23-2008, 04:47 PM

Jardor@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Acctually the max size on the quest list is not limited to keep database sizes manageable, it is limited to keep lag from killing the servers.
Every time you do ANYTHING, including moving, the system is checking your quest journal to see if it needs to update a quest.
As you increase the number of quests in your journal (and the number allowed), there are more and more checks being made everytime you do anything. Multiply that by everyone on the server, and you can see how it would quickly lag the servers to death (as it did in beta when they had an unlimited size quest journal)

This is also why for a slightly differant reason QH is such a lag fest, it has a ton of Server Checks in a very condenced area, You got that Feerrot Quest giver, the Carpet(needs to know if you have DoF or not), 2 city merchants, a bunch of normal merchants, the "Travel By Sea" Bell, the Harbor Master, the other two bells, the Fence, and the Broker.

Rocc · 09-23-2008, 04:53 PM

I agree with the ability to hold more quests. Especially with Kunark! And PLEASE fix the non-deletable quests so we can ditch them! One accidental click and our quest journals are one quest smaller.

Eveningsong · 09-23-2008, 05:05 PM

Wow, you know I am one of those people who are always running out of quest book space, but I have to say that I wouldn't want to see an increase. The original 25 was far too low, especially since collections were included, but to me running out of quest space with a limit of 75 is a reminder that I have quests that are grey or greying and I should be either deleting them or finishing them before going off to another zone with a million more quests.

feldon30 · 09-23-2008, 07:01 PM

Kordran wrote:

I think the more obsessive-compulsive types will simply have to manage their behavior and realize that they can "do it all" on multiple toons, but not on just one toon. I gather that's part of the goal for this change -- to get people to roll alts and take different paths through the content, and not try to do everything there is to do on a single character. It increases replayability, but I admit it will chaffe the "completeness freaks" amongst us who just cannot fathom leaving a stone unturned until next time.

I am not a quest hoarder by any stretch of the imagination. I delete all grey quests except HQs and some green quests. I still had to juggle quests at the high 60's and low 70's to make room.This is only going to get worse if they speed up XP.

ke'la · 09-24-2008, 09:52 PM

Rocc@Unrest wrote:

I agree with the ability to hold more quests. Especially with Kunark! And PLEASE fix the non-deletable quests so we can ditch them! One accidental click and our quest journals are one quest smaller.

Undeleatables do not count against your quest journal total, they just have to be scrolled passed on the way to ones you want to see.Like others have said befor, the problem with increasing the maximum number of quests in your Journal causes you to lag more. Here is a quick test to prove it, start a new charactor with no quests, and walk around QH, then do the same thing with a toon with a full journal... you will notice an increase in latancy as the server searches your quest journal everytime you cross near a Quest hot spot.

Giral · 09-25-2008, 12:34 AM

what if they added in a page you could move old quests/quests you dont want to work on right now/group qeusts you dont need when soloing/etc,,, into a seperate window , when its in there the system will not check the quest's, it will be your choice to put quests on stand by status .

if they did this they could reduce the amount of active quests you could have, normaly your not working on 200 quests at the same time in one night , so why have the system keep constantly checking them ?

im sure some people would get upset here and there that they missed an update and forgot they had the quest on the inactive page ,

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or they could sort the journal when you enter a zone for only quests you have active and also any quests in that zone are moved to activer status ( this could be togelable so people who dont want to move quests to active could set it to Only read quests player labeled as active )

like when your in a raid zone , there might possibly be 1 or 2 quests for some raid zones, all the other quests when you zone into a raid that dont pertain to that raid zone should become inactive.

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and im sure there are a few other ways they could tweak this to cut down on the sytem having to read every single quest in your journal constantly , it might put a little more Effort back on the User , but i would take me having to make a few chioces over server lag any day of the week .

Vonotar · 09-28-2008, 06:49 AM

Oakleafe wrote:

Kordran wrote:
I think the more obsessive-compulsive types will simply have to manage their behavior and realize that they can "do it all" on multiple toons, but not on just one toon. I gather that's part of the goal for this change -- to get people to roll alts and take different paths through the content, and not try to do everything there is to do on a single character. It increases replayability, but I admit it will chaffe the "completeness freaks" amongst us who just cannot fathom leaving a stone unturned until next time.
Where do you "gather" this from? From my point of view, if they don't want us to do a quest it shouldn't be do-able! e.g. A Qeynosian can't do Freeportian based quests but can do many of the Nektolos quests.I think you've fallen for a trick; this isn't about doing the right content for the class/faction, it's about level 80 players getting new toons to level 80 to do level 80 content.

Not entirely accurate actually, a few of my Q toons have done quests in the Sunken City and other non-core Freeport zones. Sure the NPC looks at them in deep suspicion and I have to 'talk them' into believing I truely am a Freeportian, but you CAN do those quests.If anything, since we will be levelling quicker we will grey out quests quicker, hence more will be deleted and the journal won't need to get bigger.I'd hate to think Sony are pushing us through the levels quicker so that we do less quests, just to save themselves the effort of expanding the journal, but then that does sound like Sony reverse logic.

tikasa · 09-28-2008, 08:07 AM

Rocc@Unrest wrote:

I agree with the ability to hold more quests. Especially with Kunark! And PLEASE fix the non-deletable quests so we can ditch them! One accidental click and our quest journals are one quest smaller.

PLEASE let us delete ANY quest! I have at least 15+ that I cannot delete and do not need or want.

GrunEQ · 09-28-2008, 01:30 PM

I'm so tired of leveling up and having to figure out what quests to delete all the time. And grrrrrr those other quests that I can't delete, that I will never do! We need much more room for quests and the ability to delete any quests. PLEASE!! I'll put in a good word to Santa

Lethe5683 · 09-28-2008, 02:20 PM

data base size?

How big can a text file be? The current journels can't be more than a megabyte.

Oh · 09-28-2008, 04:05 PM

Lethe5683 wrote:

data base size? How big can a text file be? The current journels can't be more than a megabyte.

Your answer to your question is a few posts up. here I will repost it for yea since you apparently missed it.

Jardor@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Acctually the max size on the quest list is not limited to keep database sizes manageable, it is limited to keep lag from killing the servers.
Every time you do ANYTHING, including moving, the system is checking your quest journal to see if it needs to update a quest.
As you increase the number of quests in your journal (and the number allowed), there are more and more checks being made everytime you do anything. Multiply that by everyone on the server, and you can see how it would quickly lag the servers to death (as it did in beta when they had an unlimited size quest journal)

Highlighted the key phrase. Collections don't count against your journal since they don't require server checks to see if the appropraite thing should be in place/should drop X component/etc.

Lethe5683 · 09-28-2008, 04:49 PM

Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests.

Giral · 09-29-2008, 01:10 AM

Lethe5683 wrote:

Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests.

Funny this was also brought up already in the thread :

Giralus said :

what if they added in a page you could move old quests/quests you dont want to work on right now/group qeusts you dont need when soloing/etc,,, into a seperate window , when its in there the system will not check the quest's, it will be your choice to put quests on stand by status .

if they did this they could reduce the amount of active quests you could have, normaly your not working on 200 quests at the same time in one night , so why have the system keep constantly checking them ?

im sure some people would get upset here and there that they missed an update and forgot they had the quest on the inactive page ,

....

or they could sort the journal when you enter a zone for only quests you have active and also any quests in that zone are moved to activer status ( this could be togelable so people who dont want to move quests to active could set it to Only read quests player labeled as active )

like when your in a raid zone , there might possibly be 1 or 2 quests for some raid zones, all the other quests when you zone into a raid that dont pertain to that raid zone should become inactive.

..

and im sure there are a few other ways they could tweak this to cut down on the sytem having to read every single quest in your journal constantly , it might put a little more Effort back on the User , but i would take me having to make a few chioces over server lag any day of the week .

....

Besual · 09-29-2008, 03:38 AM

Lethe5683 wrote:

Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests.

Can you imagine how many petitions ths GMs will have to work because people "don't get quest updates" because they forgot that the quest in question has been moved to the storage? I hope you will not come here and complain how long it takes to get a GM for your petition.

Lethe5683 · 09-29-2008, 05:57 AM

Besual wrote:

Lethe5683 wrote:
Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests.
Can you imagine how many petitions ths GMs will have to work because people "don't get quest updates" because they forgot that the quest in question has been moved to the storage? I hope you will not come here and complain how long it takes to get a GM for your petition.

If I'm careless enough to miss an update due to that I would hardly bother petitioning a GM sicne it was my fault. I would just do it over again.

Oh · 09-29-2008, 04:47 PM

Lethe5683 wrote:

Besual wrote:
Lethe5683 wrote:
Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests.
Can you imagine how many petitions ths GMs will have to work because people "don't get quest updates" because they forgot that the quest in question has been moved to the storage? I hope you will not come here and complain how long it takes to get a GM for your petition.
If I'm careless enough to miss an update due to that I would hardly bother petitioning a GM sicne it was my fault. I would just do it over again.

While I am like you I wouldn't bother someone else for my own negliance, unfortunatly we are more in the minority. Everyone else would petition and cause a huge bottle neck, and some would be posting how SoE's game is so completly broken it can't even update a quest (you know the drama queens of the internet) and so on and so forth just general whining.

Really There is plenty of room in the quest journal, the only time I felt slightly tight was when I hit rok, and that wasn't all of the zones just a few felt like it would be close but in reality I wasn't even close to the limit. Mostly because I will delete anything I don't intend on doing for .

Sassinak · 09-29-2008, 05:27 PM

A small increase would be nice. I run out of space sometimes at 75, but if it was bumped to 100, all of my alts would probably be ok.

Iseabeil · 09-29-2008, 06:04 PM

I dont expect it, but Id love a quest increase. If there is anything I hate in this game, its deleting quests, even if they are grey, even if its 50 levels bellow me with 30c reward. I understand the reason for the limit, but I hope they can find some way around it.

Giral · 09-29-2008, 07:04 PM

there are difrent ways they can do the system ,

one is for the devs to code in a simple label what zones certain quests use,

if your in POA , your certainly not working on any quests from Kylong plains,

so why would the system need to read thru all of these quests endlessly in each zone ?

you zone into POA, the system checks your journal apon zone in, moves any quests that have anything at all to do with POA to active status . and the rest of them get checked as in-active for that zone.

and again this is just One way they could do it, there are Multiple ways they could rework quest journals to not have to read every single quest, or allow choices on what quests you want active , etc,,,

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I don't see an option for a Inactive page that players could choose to move quests into as a huge issue, i personaly feel that the Drama Kings would be in the vast minority , not many people like to admit when they are wrong, and for those that petition multiple times they could just goive them a warning after the 5th time, "you have now petitoned us 5 times on 5 seperate times that YOU have choosen to put these Quests as inactive, we will not be able to further assist you with any other quests that YOU decided to move there, if you would like we will put a Lock on the In-active option so you cannot self inflict anymore missed quests updates apon yourself"

they just need to put there foot down, if they lose 10 accounts becuase some people are just that stupid , then that will be 10 less of the people that constatly petition and waste there time. i certainly dont see Thousands of people constantly spamming devs becuase of there Own stupidity, and if it did actualy come to that they could just remove the inactive quest Tab from the game. and let the players know that the Whiner's and complainers ruined it for everybody .

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I'd like to think the Developers have a little more Backbone , and they Dont designs there game around / or give into a bunch of complaining whiner's.

Daysy · 09-30-2008, 01:46 AM

It would help a lot if the overall quest journal size could be increased to say 100, and give us a facility to mark, or move to a separate tab in the journal, a maximum of say 20 quests on which we're currently working, so that only those 20 need to be checked when we move about but we could still have 80 others that we found along the way and will do later.

09-23-2008, 02:58 PM	#2
ashen1973 Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The cellar under the stairs Posts: 1,220	It has been posted in the past that the quest journal is limited to keep database sizes manageable. But , i agree, more space is going to be helpful after these changes (space is already a problem for some) I cant see how adding another 25-50% to the journal size would cause that much of a problem __________________ " [our mistake was] to not just think we know the right direction without bringing the fans into the mix," he explained. "We made the cardinal sin of not listening, but assuming and we were wrong." --Quote from John Smedley, CEO of SOE, Oct 07

09-23-2008, 04:15 PM	#3
Kordran Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,484	I think the more obsessive-compulsive types will simply have to manage their behavior and realize that they can "do it all" on multiple toons, but not on just one toon. I gather that's part of the goal for this change -- to get people to roll alts and take different paths through the content, and not try to do everything there is to do on a single character. It increases replayability, but I admit it will chaffe the "completeness freaks" amongst us who just cannot fathom leaving a stone unturned until next time. __________________

09-23-2008, 04:21 PM	#4
Oakleafe Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 704	Kordran wrote: I think the more obsessive-compulsive types will simply have to manage their behavior and realize that they can "do it all" on multiple toons, but not on just one toon. I gather that's part of the goal for this change -- to get people to roll alts and take different paths through the content, and not try to do everything there is to do on a single character. It increases replayability, but I admit it will chaffe the "completeness freaks" amongst us who just cannot fathom leaving a stone unturned until next time. Where do you "gather" this from? From my point of view, if they don't want us to do a quest it shouldn't be do-able! e.g. A Qeynosian can't do Freeportian based quests but can do many of the Nektolos quests.I think you've fallen for a trick; this isn't about doing the right content for the class/faction, it's about level 80 players getting new toons to level 80 to do level 80 content. __________________ "Work consists of whatever a body is obliged to do. Play consists of whatever a body is not obliged to do."

09-23-2008, 04:22 PM	#5
Jardon Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 445	Acctually the max size on the quest list is not limited to keep database sizes manageable, it is limited to keep lag from killing the servers. Every time you do ANYTHING, including moving, the system is checking your quest journal to see if it needs to update a quest. As you increase the number of quests in your journal (and the number allowed), there are more and more checks being made everytime you do anything. Multiply that by everyone on the server, and you can see how it would quickly lag the servers to death (as it did in beta when they had an unlimited size quest journal) __________________ Razgar, 90 Dirge/90 Jeweler, Antonia Bayle Jardor, 90 Assassian/90 Tailor, Antonia Bayle Jardon, 90 Guardian/90 Woodworker, Antonia Bayle Raztok, 90 Troubador/90 Alchemist, Antonia Bayle Jardok 90 Bruiser/90 Weaponsmith, Antonia Bayle Razmer, 90 Zerker/90 Armorer, Antonia Bayle Jarrel, 90 Brig/90 Provisioner, Antonia Bayle Raznyk, 80 Wizard/90 Carpenter, Antonia Bayle Jazdar, 90 Inquisitor/90 Sage, Antonia Bayle

09-23-2008, 04:47 PM	#6
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	Jardor@Antonia Bayle wrote: Acctually the max size on the quest list is not limited to keep database sizes manageable, it is limited to keep lag from killing the servers. Every time you do ANYTHING, including moving, the system is checking your quest journal to see if it needs to update a quest. As you increase the number of quests in your journal (and the number allowed), there are more and more checks being made everytime you do anything. Multiply that by everyone on the server, and you can see how it would quickly lag the servers to death (as it did in beta when they had an unlimited size quest journal) This is also why for a slightly differant reason QH is such a lag fest, it has a ton of Server Checks in a very condenced area, You got that Feerrot Quest giver, the Carpet(needs to know if you have DoF or not), 2 city merchants, a bunch of normal merchants, the "Travel By Sea" Bell, the Harbor Master, the other two bells, the Fence, and the Broker. __________________

09-23-2008, 02:54 PM	#1
Tanatz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	Can we increase the amount of quests we can store in our journal? Levelling faster will most certainly mean more unfinished quests, which for the OCD types, has been known to cause problems twitchMechanically speaking, why is there a cap on quests anyway?

09-23-2008, 04:53 PM	#7
Rocc Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 705	I agree with the ability to hold more quests. Especially with Kunark! And PLEASE fix the non-deletable quests so we can ditch them! One accidental click and our quest journals are one quest smaller.

09-23-2008, 05:05 PM	#8
Eveningsong Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,844	Wow, you know I am one of those people who are always running out of quest book space, but I have to say that I wouldn't want to see an increase. The original 25 was far too low, especially since collections were included, but to me running out of quest space with a limit of 75 is a reminder that I have quests that are grey or greying and I should be either deleting them or finishing them before going off to another zone with a million more quests.

09-23-2008, 07:01 PM	#9
feldon30 Fansite Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5,424	Kordran wrote: I think the more obsessive-compulsive types will simply have to manage their behavior and realize that they can "do it all" on multiple toons, but not on just one toon. I gather that's part of the goal for this change -- to get people to roll alts and take different paths through the content, and not try to do everything there is to do on a single character. It increases replayability, but I admit it will chaffe the "completeness freaks" amongst us who just cannot fathom leaving a stone unturned until next time. I am not a quest hoarder by any stretch of the imagination. I delete all grey quests except HQs and some green quests. I still had to juggle quests at the high 60's and low 70's to make room.This is only going to get worse if they speed up XP. __________________ .. EQ2Wire.com \| EQ2U - Character, Item, Spell, and Guild Data

09-24-2008, 09:52 PM	#10
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	Rocc@Unrest wrote: I agree with the ability to hold more quests. Especially with Kunark! And PLEASE fix the non-deletable quests so we can ditch them! One accidental click and our quest journals are one quest smaller. Undeleatables do not count against your quest journal total, they just have to be scrolled passed on the way to ones you want to see.Like others have said befor, the problem with increasing the maximum number of quests in your Journal causes you to lag more. Here is a quick test to prove it, start a new charactor with no quests, and walk around QH, then do the same thing with a toon with a full journal... you will notice an increase in latancy as the server searches your quest journal everytime you cross near a Quest hot spot. __________________

09-25-2008, 12:34 AM	#11
Giral General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 894	what if they added in a page you could move old quests/quests you dont want to work on right now/group qeusts you dont need when soloing/etc,,, into a seperate window , when its in there the system will not check the quest's, it will be your choice to put quests on stand by status . if they did this they could reduce the amount of active quests you could have, normaly your not working on 200 quests at the same time in one night , so why have the system keep constantly checking them ? im sure some people would get upset here and there that they missed an update and forgot they had the quest on the inactive page , .... or they could sort the journal when you enter a zone for only quests you have active and also any quests in that zone are moved to activer status ( this could be togelable so people who dont want to move quests to active could set it to Only read quests player labeled as active ) like when your in a raid zone , there might possibly be 1 or 2 quests for some raid zones, all the other quests when you zone into a raid that dont pertain to that raid zone should become inactive. .. and im sure there are a few other ways they could tweak this to cut down on the sytem having to read every single quest in your journal constantly , it might put a little more Effort back on the User , but i would take me having to make a few chioces over server lag any day of the week . __________________ who's more of a Fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool. . . Account Terminated as of 12-27-08, RMT=Evil

09-28-2008, 06:49 AM	#12
Vonotar Server: Butcherblock Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,697	Oakleafe wrote: Kordran wrote: I think the more obsessive-compulsive types will simply have to manage their behavior and realize that they can "do it all" on multiple toons, but not on just one toon. I gather that's part of the goal for this change -- to get people to roll alts and take different paths through the content, and not try to do everything there is to do on a single character. It increases replayability, but I admit it will chaffe the "completeness freaks" amongst us who just cannot fathom leaving a stone unturned until next time. Where do you "gather" this from? From my point of view, if they don't want us to do a quest it shouldn't be do-able! e.g. A Qeynosian can't do Freeportian based quests but can do many of the Nektolos quests.I think you've fallen for a trick; this isn't about doing the right content for the class/faction, it's about level 80 players getting new toons to level 80 to do level 80 content. Not entirely accurate actually, a few of my Q toons have done quests in the Sunken City and other non-core Freeport zones. Sure the NPC looks at them in deep suspicion and I have to 'talk them' into believing I truely am a Freeportian, but you CAN do those quests.If anything, since we will be levelling quicker we will grey out quests quicker, hence more will be deleted and the journal won't need to get bigger.I'd hate to think Sony are pushing us through the levels quicker so that we do less quests, just to save themselves the effort of expanding the journal, but then that does sound like Sony reverse logic.

09-28-2008, 08:07 AM	#13
tikasa Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 283	Rocc@Unrest wrote: I agree with the ability to hold more quests. Especially with Kunark! And PLEASE fix the non-deletable quests so we can ditch them! One accidental click and our quest journals are one quest smaller. PLEASE let us delete ANY quest! I have at least 15+ that I cannot delete and do not need or want.

09-28-2008, 01:30 PM	#14
GrunEQ Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,307	I'm so tired of leveling up and having to figure out what quests to delete all the time. And grrrrrr those other quests that I can't delete, that I will never do! We need much more room for quests and the ability to delete any quests. PLEASE!! I'll put in a good word to Santa __________________ GrunEQ2 "O to be a voyager and a yoyeur no longer."

09-28-2008, 02:20 PM	#15
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	data base size? How big can a text file be? The current journels can't be more than a megabyte.

09-28-2008, 04:05 PM	#16
Oh General Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,516	Lethe5683 wrote: data base size? How big can a text file be? The current journels can't be more than a megabyte. Your answer to your question is a few posts up. here I will repost it for yea since you apparently missed it. Jardor@Antonia Bayle wrote: Acctually the max size on the quest list is not limited to keep database sizes manageable, it is limited to keep lag from killing the servers. Every time you do ANYTHING, including moving, the system is checking your quest journal to see if it needs to update a quest. As you increase the number of quests in your journal (and the number allowed), there are more and more checks being made everytime you do anything. Multiply that by everyone on the server, and you can see how it would quickly lag the servers to death (as it did in beta when they had an unlimited size quest journal) Highlighted the key phrase. Collections don't count against your journal since they don't require server checks to see if the appropraite thing should be in place/should drop X component/etc. __________________

09-28-2008, 04:49 PM	#17
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests.

09-29-2008, 01:10 AM	#18
Giral General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 894	Lethe5683 wrote: Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests. Funny this was also brought up already in the thread : Giralus said : what if they added in a page you could move old quests/quests you dont want to work on right now/group qeusts you dont need when soloing/etc,,, into a seperate window , when its in there the system will not check the quest's, it will be your choice to put quests on stand by status . if they did this they could reduce the amount of active quests you could have, normaly your not working on 200 quests at the same time in one night , so why have the system keep constantly checking them ? im sure some people would get upset here and there that they missed an update and forgot they had the quest on the inactive page , .... or they could sort the journal when you enter a zone for only quests you have active and also any quests in that zone are moved to activer status ( this could be togelable so people who dont want to move quests to active could set it to Only read quests player labeled as active ) like when your in a raid zone , there might possibly be 1 or 2 quests for some raid zones, all the other quests when you zone into a raid that dont pertain to that raid zone should become inactive. .. and im sure there are a few other ways they could tweak this to cut down on the sytem having to read every single quest in your journal constantly , it might put a little more Effort back on the User , but i would take me having to make a few chioces over server lag any day of the week . .... __________________ who's more of a Fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool. . . Account Terminated as of 12-27-08, RMT=Evil

09-29-2008, 03:38 AM	#19
Besual Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 830	Lethe5683 wrote: Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests. Can you imagine how many petitions ths GMs will have to work because people "don't get quest updates" because they forgot that the quest in question has been moved to the storage? I hope you will not come here and complain how long it takes to get a GM for your petition. __________________ The Nu-Team Defiler 90 / Provisioner 90 Berserker 90 / Jeweler 90 Brigant 90 / Alchemist 90 Coercer 90 / Sage 90

09-29-2008, 05:57 AM	#20
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Besual wrote: Lethe5683 wrote: Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests. Can you imagine how many petitions ths GMs will have to work because people "don't get quest updates" because they forgot that the quest in question has been moved to the storage? I hope you will not come here and complain how long it takes to get a GM for your petition. If I'm careless enough to miss an update due to that I would hardly bother petitioning a GM sicne it was my fault. I would just do it over again.

09-29-2008, 04:47 PM	#21
Oh General Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,516	Lethe5683 wrote: Besual wrote: Lethe5683 wrote: Than maybe they could make some sort of option to put quests in "storeage". You won't get updates or anything for these quests but they are still listed somewhere so you can keep track of them. Maybe an additional tab on the quest/collection menu so you can move quests that you don't plan on working on for awile into storage to free up room for new quests. Can you imagine how many petitions ths GMs will have to work because people "don't get quest updates" because they forgot that the quest in question has been moved to the storage? I hope you will not come here and complain how long it takes to get a GM for your petition. If I'm careless enough to miss an update due to that I would hardly bother petitioning a GM sicne it was my fault. I would just do it over again. While I am like you I wouldn't bother someone else for my own negliance, unfortunatly we are more in the minority. Everyone else would petition and cause a huge bottle neck, and some would be posting how SoE's game is so completly broken it can't even update a quest (you know the drama queens of the internet) and so on and so forth just general whining. Really There is plenty of room in the quest journal, the only time I felt slightly tight was when I hit rok, and that wasn't all of the zones just a few felt like it would be close but in reality I wasn't even close to the limit. Mostly because I will delete anything I don't intend on doing for . __________________

09-29-2008, 05:27 PM	#22
Sassinak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 557	A small increase would be nice. I run out of space sometimes at 75, but if it was bumped to 100, all of my alts would probably be ok.

09-29-2008, 06:04 PM	#23
Iseabeil Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 661	I dont expect it, but Id love a quest increase. If there is anything I hate in this game, its deleting quests, even if they are grey, even if its 50 levels bellow me with 30c reward. I understand the reason for the limit, but I hope they can find some way around it. __________________

09-29-2008, 07:04 PM	#24
Giral General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 894	there are difrent ways they can do the system , one is for the devs to code in a simple label what zones certain quests use, if your in POA , your certainly not working on any quests from Kylong plains, so why would the system need to read thru all of these quests endlessly in each zone ? you zone into POA, the system checks your journal apon zone in, moves any quests that have anything at all to do with POA to active status . and the rest of them get checked as in-active for that zone. and again this is just One way they could do it, there are Multiple ways they could rework quest journals to not have to read every single quest, or allow choices on what quests you want active , etc,,, .... I don't see an option for a Inactive page that players could choose to move quests into as a huge issue, i personaly feel that the Drama Kings would be in the vast minority , not many people like to admit when they are wrong, and for those that petition multiple times they could just goive them a warning after the 5th time, "you have now petitoned us 5 times on 5 seperate times that YOU have choosen to put these Quests as inactive, we will not be able to further assist you with any other quests that YOU decided to move there, if you would like we will put a Lock on the In-active option so you cannot self inflict anymore missed quests updates apon yourself" they just need to put there foot down, if they lose 10 accounts becuase some people are just that stupid , then that will be 10 less of the people that constatly petition and waste there time. i certainly dont see Thousands of people constantly spamming devs becuase of there Own stupidity, and if it did actualy come to that they could just remove the inactive quest Tab from the game. and let the players know that the Whiner's and complainers ruined it for everybody . .... I'd like to think the Developers have a little more Backbone , and they Dont designs there game around / or give into a bunch of complaining whiner's. __________________ who's more of a Fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool. . . Account Terminated as of 12-27-08, RMT=Evil

09-30-2008, 01:46 AM	#25
Daysy Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 436	It would help a lot if the overall quest journal size could be increased to say 100, and give us a facility to mark, or move to a separate tab in the journal, a maximum of say 20 quests on which we're currently working, so that only those 20 need to be checked when we move about but we could still have 80 others that we found along the way and will do later.