INT modifier is not being applied to poison DMG.

Vhorth · 05-21-2008, 09:15 PM

Hey all,I'm pretty confused about poison damage. Apparently INT affect the poison's damage. I can notice this in my "Maintained Spells" bar. Where when I equip INT gear it makes the damage value of the poison go up. ( It lists my damage to be at 109 / trigger) BUT, in the "Spell Effects" bar (buff bar) it always stays at 90 DMG whatever INT value I have.I'm concerned since my poison does trigger at 90dmg. So it dosen't seem that INT affects poisons? Or this is a bug. SMILEY<img src=

Am I missing something here?

Vhorth · 05-21-2008, 09:58 PM

bump (re-wrote the post to make it clearer)

Jrral · 05-21-2008, 10:51 PM

I was under the impression that INT affected the chance of the poison proccing but not the damage done.

Vhorth · 05-22-2008, 12:47 AM

If this is true, that INT applies to the chance of the poison to hit then it's not reflected in the "tooltips".I invite anyone to test this issue for yourself and please share your results.[Summary]INT modifier does not affect poison damage.[Steps To Reproduce]1 - Apply your poison. 2 - Right-click & examine the poison icon in your concentration bar. (the DMG in the description will include INT modifier)3 - Right-click & examine the poison icon in your buff bar. (the DMG in the description will NOT include the INT modifier)4 - Go fight a mob in melee until poison triggers.[Description]You'll see that the poison damage caused will refelct the value described in the buff bar which does not included the INT modifier unlike the the concentration bar. This implies that theres something wrong with the INT modifier for poisons. Unless i'm mistaken and i'm missing something.I've tested it and change your INT does have an effect on the value in the concentration bar. roughly 2pts INT = +1dmg in poison.I don't mind the fact that both icons don't state the same DMG value, but the fact that my poison doesn't have it's bonus damage, makes me a little sad. SMILEY<img src=

" />Being new to EQ2, I've no knowledge of previous changes brought to this factor in the game. If someone cloud shed some light on this issue. For it seems to be a bug indeed.

metacell · 05-22-2008, 03:18 AM

Did you equip your INT gear before you applied your poison?

Dwergux · 05-22-2008, 08:13 AM

Jrral@Unrest wrote:

I was under the impression that INT affected the chance of the poison proccing but not the damage done.

Stats will not affect the chance of procs occurring. Int will affect the damage of a proc. However, Poison is a buff...so the effect of INT might be applied upon the time the buff is applied and changes thereafter will not change the damage by the proc.

Vhorth · 05-22-2008, 08:37 AM

Sorry,but that would be a little disapointing from me for not having tried that. I don't use potions or weird temporary INT buffs. I'm talking about my gear and my AA's.And I noticed that in the concentration bar, my damage is updated on the fly. If I raise of lower my INT after having applied the poison that value will change. The fact is that I could have 50 INT or 30 INT and my poison will still do 90DMG rather then the 109DMG the game is saying it does!I'm not inventing this value out of my mind. I'm talking about the "examine" info provided from the UI.I'm kind of surprised that this issue is has not been brought up. Makes no sense in all the Scout's saying that poison is affected by INT when it's actually quite untrue.Again, I invite anyone to try this with their own scout class. And see that INT has no effect on poison DMG. Maybe it did at one point, but I can confirm that right now. It does not!So, Applying INT buffs BEFORE applying the poison has NO effect on the damage. But like I said, If I look at my concentration bar, not my buff bar, I see the value is rising with my INT. But thats the only place where the "potential" damage can be seen.And BEFORE someone talks about poison resists. I've tried on mobs level 5-10 and they all get a constant 90DMG, rahter then the 109DMG that is contains my INT modifier.What is up with this? No one seems even aware this is happening.

Kenban · 05-22-2008, 11:03 AM

Figured I would go and test this since poisons damage is very important to myself. Being cheap I figured I would test it using exceptional caustic. Without an int buff it puts it at 653 on the tool tip. I can't remember the correct names for all the little windows so the one that displays only your buffs (I am solo currently though) that displays 747 but only when you examine it. The other window which normally displays all your buffs says 653 just like the tool tip. Actual damage done 653. I applied an elixir of intellect (exceptional) which added 71 int. Tool tip for an unused exceptional caustic poison in my inventory shows 682. The one buff bar shows 653 still and the other shows 778. But actual damage done has gone up to 682. This is important because I did not reapply the poison. The damage changed because my int changed even though the buff bars showed the wrong amounts my damage actually changed. I canceled the poison and reapplied. The damage on the examine changed to show 682 and it still did 682. I canceled the int potion and it still showed 682 but only did 653. So in short for me int is effecting damage done just like it is supposed to. Both examine windows show the wrong damage though. The common wisdom about int buffing before applying the poison is just wrong and useless.

Vhorth · 05-22-2008, 08:05 PM

Many apologies!The reason I was led to believe this weird issue, is because yes, the values between the two bars are different, only pay attention to that of the buff bar. INT modifier IS applied to poison (feeling stupid).But to clear out a myth that is out there! (Just like Kenban SMILEY

) 1 - Whenever your INT changes it WILL apply to poison dmg. Whatever the buff bar says! The damage you'll cause will take it into account.Heres a little table I made to show the effect INT has over poison. In average it seems that 3 INT = +1 poison damage. I think the value is rounded up so sometimes it seems that 2 INT = +1 Poison.INT-DMG38 - 8239 - 8340 - 8341 - 8342 - 8443 - 8444 - 84 45 - 8546 - 8547 - 8548 - 8649 - 8650 - 87

05-21-2008, 09:15 PM	#1
Vhorth General Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15	Hey all,I'm pretty confused about poison damage. Apparently INT affect the poison's damage. I can notice this in my "Maintained Spells" bar. Where when I equip INT gear it makes the damage value of the poison go up. ( It lists my damage to be at 109 / trigger) BUT, in the "Spell Effects" bar (buff bar) it always stays at 90 DMG whatever INT value I have.I'm concerned since my poison does trigger at 90dmg. So it dosen't seem that INT affects poisons? Or this is a bug. Am I missing something here?

05-22-2008, 12:47 AM	#4
Vhorth General Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15	If this is true, that INT applies to the chance of the poison to hit then it's not reflected in the "tooltips".I invite anyone to test this issue for yourself and please share your results.[Summary]INT modifier does not affect poison damage.[Steps To Reproduce]1 - Apply your poison. 2 - Right-click & examine the poison icon in your concentration bar. (the DMG in the description will include INT modifier)3 - Right-click & examine the poison icon in your buff bar. (the DMG in the description will NOT include the INT modifier)4 - Go fight a mob in melee until poison triggers.[Description]You'll see that the poison damage caused will refelct the value described in the buff bar which does not included the INT modifier unlike the the concentration bar. This implies that theres something wrong with the INT modifier for poisons. Unless i'm mistaken and i'm missing something.I've tested it and change your INT does have an effect on the value in the concentration bar. roughly 2pts INT = +1dmg in poison.I don't mind the fact that both icons don't state the same DMG value, but the fact that my poison doesn't have it's bonus damage, makes me a little sad. " />Being new to EQ2, I've no knowledge of previous changes brought to this factor in the game. If someone cloud shed some light on this issue. For it seems to be a bug indeed.

05-22-2008, 08:13 AM	#6
Dwergux Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 353	Jrral@Unrest wrote: I was under the impression that INT affected the chance of the poison proccing but not the damage done. Stats will not affect the chance of procs occurring. Int will affect the damage of a proc. However, Poison is a buff...so the effect of INT might be applied upon the time the buff is applied and changes thereafter will not change the damage by the proc. __________________

05-22-2008, 08:05 PM	#9
Vhorth General Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15	Many apologies!The reason I was led to believe this weird issue, is because yes, the values between the two bars are different, only pay attention to that of the buff bar. INT modifier IS applied to poison (feeling stupid).But to clear out a myth that is out there! (Just like Kenban ) 1 - Whenever your INT changes it WILL apply to poison dmg. Whatever the buff bar says! The damage you'll cause will take it into account.Heres a little table I made to show the effect INT has over poison. In average it seems that 3 INT = +1 poison damage. I think the value is rounded up so sometimes it seems that 2 INT = +1 Poison.INT-DMG38 - 8239 - 8340 - 8341 - 8342 - 8443 - 8444 - 84 45 - 8546 - 8547 - 8548 - 8649 - 8650 - 87

05-21-2008, 09:58 PM	#2
Vhorth General Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15	bump (re-wrote the post to make it clearer)

05-21-2008, 10:51 PM	#3
Jrral Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,610	I was under the impression that INT affected the chance of the poison proccing but not the damage done.

05-22-2008, 03:18 AM	#5
metacell Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 275	Did you equip your INT gear before you applied your poison?

05-22-2008, 08:37 AM	#7
Vhorth General Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15	Sorry,but that would be a little disapointing from me for not having tried that. I don't use potions or weird temporary INT buffs. I'm talking about my gear and my AA's.And I noticed that in the concentration bar, my damage is updated on the fly. If I raise of lower my INT after having applied the poison that value will change. The fact is that I could have 50 INT or 30 INT and my poison will still do 90DMG rather then the 109DMG the game is saying it does!I'm not inventing this value out of my mind. I'm talking about the "examine" info provided from the UI.I'm kind of surprised that this issue is has not been brought up. Makes no sense in all the Scout's saying that poison is affected by INT when it's actually quite untrue.Again, I invite anyone to try this with their own scout class. And see that INT has no effect on poison DMG. Maybe it did at one point, but I can confirm that right now. It does not!So, Applying INT buffs BEFORE applying the poison has NO effect on the damage. But like I said, If I look at my concentration bar, not my buff bar, I see the value is rising with my INT. But thats the only place where the "potential" damage can be seen.And BEFORE someone talks about poison resists. I've tried on mobs level 5-10 and they all get a constant 90DMG, rahter then the 109DMG that is contains my INT modifier.What is up with this? No one seems even aware this is happening.

05-22-2008, 11:03 AM	#8
Kenban Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 188	Figured I would go and test this since poisons damage is very important to myself. Being cheap I figured I would test it using exceptional caustic. Without an int buff it puts it at 653 on the tool tip. I can't remember the correct names for all the little windows so the one that displays only your buffs (I am solo currently though) that displays 747 but only when you examine it. The other window which normally displays all your buffs says 653 just like the tool tip. Actual damage done 653. I applied an elixir of intellect (exceptional) which added 71 int. Tool tip for an unused exceptional caustic poison in my inventory shows 682. The one buff bar shows 653 still and the other shows 778. But actual damage done has gone up to 682. This is important because I did not reapply the poison. The damage changed because my int changed even though the buff bars showed the wrong amounts my damage actually changed. I canceled the poison and reapplied. The damage on the examine changed to show 682 and it still did 682. I canceled the int potion and it still showed 682 but only did 653. So in short for me int is effecting damage done just like it is supposed to. Both examine windows show the wrong damage though. The common wisdom about int buffing before applying the poison is just wrong and useless.