Nerf EoF Contested

[mkd1200]

i suck at life and am not able to spend the time needed to kill these mobs. 

         1. give them half the hitpoints.

         2. make them instantly respawn after being killed or instance them.

         3. i pay the same amount of money to play this game that means i am entitled to all content.

regards 

[Yourbestfriend]

Mkd you are making valid points. But I don't think EoF mobs should have any hit points. Infact when I cuddle with my carebear at night I cry about how long EH is. Perhaps we can work together and snuff out all of the challenge in this game. regards

[Tanan]

Actually you only pay for access to the game, nothing else.  What you do after that is totally up to you and no one else.  All the content is available to you but you have to overcome it yourself, just like everyone else.

[Hardain]

I really hope OP is joking. And if he is, what was the point of this post?

[Rahatmattata]

Hardain wrote:

I really hope OP is joking. And if he is, what was the point of this post?

To try and be funny

[PhroZenAssassin]

Hardain wrote:

I really hope OP is joking. And if he is, what was the point of this post?

To take the pi$$ out of whiney casuals who want stuff handed to them on a silver platter

[Quaan]

Hardain wrote:

I really hope OP is joking. And if he is, what was the point of this post?

Another opportunity for jaraxx to show how rock hard he is? Surprised clearing all eof instances in 8 hrs or so wasnt mentioned again

[TuinalOfTheNexus]

I know the OP is being sarcastic & all, but there is something that strikes me as a bit flawed with the contested mechanic. And don't get me wrong, I used to raid in EQ1 where everything was contested and the notion of the instance didn't exist till Planes of Power.

There's much to be said for having high level competitive content; it gives people who've beaten the instances something to compete against that's unpredictable (i.e. other people).

Yet, on every server I play on, contesteds are unquestionably monopolised by a single guild. It's not really a competition in any sense of the word because you can just flat out wtfpwn every other guild for reasons listed below. If you want to down them the route to take is to roll an alt for one of the classes they require and join that guild. I have my suspicions this is the only reason people play Bards, the no-skill buffbot class that is always desired by raid guilds since nobody really wants a Bard main, and whose raid duties on 99% of encounters can be summed up as "don't die" (flame on btw). Any guild that's killing contested has a number of massive advantages over other guilds on that server;

• They know (roughly) when the contested will repop
• They have quite significantly better gear from the contested
• They know the strategy and have it practised
• They attract all the new hardcore players that will put in 18 hour days as Dirges/Troubs.

Combined this is a pretty unsurmountable edge. And it's partly deserved, because let's face it, it takes a lot of wipes and thought to get the strategy nailed down for the server first kill. Plus many guilds simply can't be bothered logging in if one pops outside raid times, because their members make the fatal mistake of having jobs, and so can't really claim to compete. What I'd perhaps question is the way these mobs repop like clockwork to the extent you can be pretty sure none will pop during the weekly EH run, and the way particularly avatars are dropping gear that trivialises encounters (tank with effective immunity to control effects, for example). I'm in no way calling for a nerf to the avatar loot which is hard-earned; but I am saying for people not in their server's token uber raid guild, it's time to roll a Bard... we need a Dirge, btw.

[MutantCrock1905]

uhhhhhhhh.... what?

[Pogopuschel]

@TuinalOfTheNexus: [x] You very well pointed out the dilemma of contested raiding that none of the two factions seems to be willing to grasp [x] You have no clue how hard it is to be a bard that is more than a buff bot. Yes, amazingly that is possible. Funny, I'd like to hug you and smack you in the face for this single posting at the same time. @OP: Lamest attempt of a flame ever. I hope what you "wish" for there comes true, just so you can whine more about the many nerfs to mobs. PS: I hope people are smart enough to interpret the smilies in this posting.

[Krontak]

mkd1200 wrote:

i suck at life and am not able to spend the time needed to kill these mobs. 

         1. give them half the hitpoints.

         2. make them instantly respawn after being killed or instance them.

         3. i pay the same amount of money to play this game that means i am entitled to all content.

regards 

Hey, aren't you moving servers 'cause you can't hang on the one your on or did I get it all wrong?

[Wrapye]

There are a few servers that don't have a single, dominant uber raid guild that [slang term for a particular portion of the male anatomy]blocks anyone else from contesteds.  On Befallen there are several raid guilds who legitimately do compete for contested raid mobs, though really certain guilds have gotten certain contested down cold, and generally will get that mob before the others. The real issue on Befallen that prevents good competition is the quality of the server hardware itself.  Folks who have come over from other servers have described five guilds vying for MO simultaneously without noticeable lag.  More than one raid force in zone on Befallen is a lag-fest, to the extent that when we had three guilds gunning for MO in pre-EoF days, several times a GM would come on, have the raid leaders /random for pull order, and have all but one raid log out so that there was less lag.  We've had Loping Plains crash repeatedly because there were two raids trying Pumpkin Head.  As long as the server is having those kinds of issues, competition for contesteds will be limited.  We should be competing against each other, not against the resources of the server itself.

[Ganlu]

The OP was obviously sarcasm, but I pity anyone who thinks you "suck at life" if you can't devote a lot of time to a game.

[Gungo]

Krontak wrote:

mkd1200 wrote:

i suck at life and am not able to spend the time needed to kill these mobs. 

         1. give them half the hitpoints.

         2. make them instantly respawn after being killed or instance them.

         3. i pay the same amount of money to play this game that means i am entitled to all content.

regards 

Hey, aren't you moving servers 'cause you can't hang on the one your on or did I get it all wrong?

I thought that happened to Strike on befallen?

[Chay]

Huxley@Splitpaw wrote:

Hardain wrote:

I really hope OP is joking. And if he is, what was the point of this post?

To take the pi$$ out of whiney casuals who want stuff handed to them on a silver platter

A silver platter isn't good enough for me. I'd like it served on a platinum platter encrusted with diamonds and gold trim, as well as presented in a stage production number with a full orchestra and dancers and juggling elephants and angels playing harps and some fluffy slippers too... I really don't think that's asking a lot.

[Yourbestfriend]

Not in my character to flame - apologies.

[Yourbestfriend]

not in my character to flame - apologies

[Yourbestfriend]

Btw Grungo I do actually appreciate your posts because atleast you have killed Woushi so your arguments do have some merit atleast in my book, but we should seriously just stop arguing this stupid crap over and over again. You are probably as stubborn as I am so are opinions aren't going to change. Good luck to you friend! And don't take anything I said in this and other posts personally/offensive. - They were not intended/meant to be that way. Best wishes!

[Gungo]

I was really just messing with ya =P

[Yourbestfriend]

I'm going to start derailing my own thread. Grungo glad to see you  made a true tough class Bruiser/Ogre/Barbarians. I am tired of seeing wussy gnomes making fighter characters, that stuff just shouldn't be done.

[Krontak]

I was just reading on the other forum that a few of the top guilds just chose LDL to transfer onto.  Should be interesting.

[Yourbestfriend]

That would be interesting if they did. I'm sure a few of them could give us a run for our money.

[Yourbestfriend]

I'm going back into posting retirement for a while. Good luck to the Casuals I hope you get what you want, I honestly do because you are by far the majority. I think EH is fine but the bottomline is your right you guys grossly outweigh the hardcore. So I will not disturb your boards any longer but one last apology to anyone I might of offended - I seriously didn't mean it.

[McBenzos]

Wrapye wrote:

..."More than one raid force in zone on Befallen is a lag-fest, to the extent that when we had three guilds gunning for MO in pre-EoF days, several times a GM would come on, have the raid leaders /random for pull order, and have all but one raid log out so that there was less lag..."

Yeah so why exactly should this be happening?  I don't see any reason except for Sony being the cheap [I cannot control my vocabulary] they are and just not giving a [I cannot control my vocabulary] about their player-base.  The game is great, but there's a lot of stuff that people just let go that really wouldn't cost much or take long to take care of.  But will the servers ever get upgraded like that?  No, why would they?  Sony is already making enough money that when Vanguard hit they didn't take a substantial hit to their income, why bother changing anything? But I don't think Contesteds should be toned down at all, any guild/raid force has access to instances.  If you don't like the idea of contesteds you better thank god you never played EQ1.  So as for anyone that thinks contesteds should be made more readily available to the people that don't work their [Removed for Content] off to get them, is just ignorant in my books.  The whole idea of contesteds is competition and a challenge. But on the flip-side, I would like to see more Tier 5 contested-ish mobs.  What happened to all the x2 content?  That is about the only thing I have a problem with, but at the same time, if they made more x2 contested mobs, it would only make it easier for the better/more hardcore guilds that get the x4s all the time to get them first, but I'd still rather have the option of getting my casual guild together for a x2 then having to get a bunch of hardcore nerds that play Everquest for more than a game just to have a chance at a x4 contested.  I do think it's kind of funny some guilds actually call people for contesteds, no in fact really funny.  At what point did a game that never ends turn into a [Removed for Content] contest for who is better? hate to break it to you, but just because you have every spell/attack mastered, and all fabled gear, and parse thousands of dps a fight, doesn't excuse you for being a loser, nerd, and an abomination of life just because you think you can belittle someone for not wasting as much of their life on the game as you do.  But please don't take this the wrong way, all of you who love to do that be my guest, it just leaves more of the general population that get contact outside of their computer for the rest of us.  But hey to each his own right?  Those of you that are complete nerds thinking you're the end all be all of your class should strive for maybe a bit more, I don't know...Real world goal?

[Ogrebe]

mkd1200 wrote:

i suck at life and am not able to spend the time needed to kill these mobs. 

         1. give them half the hitpoints.

         2. make them instantly respawn after being killed or instance them.

         3. i pay the same amount of money to play this game that means i am entitled to all content.

regards 

Ya i'm not able to level my level 10 character to 70 since i pay the same amount i should be entitled to get the same content, so either nerf everyone to my level or make me 70.... On top of that if one group can beat an instance but your group can't, are you entitled to the loot from the mobs because your tired?... Honestly man that what you should like. If they where to Instantly respawn agian, what is to stop that guild form killing them... for 10 straight hours, and getting tons of loot?

[Noaani]

Ogrebears@Kithicor wrote:

Ya i'm not able to level my level 10 character to 70 since i pay the same amount i should be entitled to get the same content, so either nerf everyone to my level or make me 70.... On top of that if one group can beat an instance but your group can't, are you entitled to the loot from the mobs because your tired?... Honestly man that what you should like. If they where to Instantly respawn agian, what is to stop that guild form killing them... for 10 straight hours, and getting tons of loot?

I'm going to assume you are aware that the OP was totally, completely and in every way taking the [Removed for Content] out of other threads in this forum.

I am unsure what I am more sad about, the other complaint threads, or the fact that people actually thought this thread was serious...