Farewell rangers

[BSbon]

well, i hate to say it but i've shelved bongo. I'm no longer happy playing a ranger because of the arrow situation. i hate wasting time summoning arrows and i cant justify spending money on using combat arts when other classes have no such expence. it just ticked me off too much so i'm now playing my necro and so far i haven't had to waste hours in game summoning dots, lifetaps or nukes in order to play and even though i perfer ranger my new main is now a necro. also, since Mouse is also broken this will also mean the end of the adventures of bongo and mouse. after tomorrow's comic i am out of comics that i had made before Mouse got broken. If they fix arrow consumption i may be back. farwell and good luck to those of you who remain.

[TerriBlades]

Wow.... 

 

Good luck with your necro Bongo... its really too bad they never fixed Mouse... those comics were great.

 

Is it just me, or a lot of the long time rangers starting to disappear?

[Caliga]

Noooo.  *Beats screen.*  I love your Bongo comics, you can't stop!

[Saihung23]

Hey, we all have to make hard decisions about this game and I know this was a tough one for you.  I hope you will still grace the forums be it in necro or the general area's. 

 

Keep your chin up and just try to keep finding new ways to have fun in game.

 

And fwiw, I have always enjoyed and read your BS comics with Mouse.   Maybe someday there will be a return to that but if not I know I enjoyed them immensely.

 

See you in the forums Bongo.

[Lev]

I am sad to see you go Bongo.. I hope you stay and troll at least and I am still hoping for the return of mouse =

[Sulas]

Good luck to you, Bongo.  I hope you find the fun again and hope you continue to come by the forum. 

[Deaudlus]

Umm, Arent you the guy that was calling for a ranger nerf a few threads down?  Yeah, terribly sorry to see you go...

Message Edited by Rollotamasi on 01-28-2007 06:20 PM

[TaleraRis]

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TerriBlades wrote:

Wow.... 

 

Good luck with your necro Bongo... its really too bad they never fixed Mouse... those comics were great.

 

Is it just me, or a lot of the long time rangers starting to disappear?

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I know quite a few of them I never see around the boards here or in channel in game.

[Taubin]

Good luck Bongo, and who knows, with you playing a Necro, we may see a newer version of Bongo....  Although, it will never be the same, or replace the Bongo we all know and love....

[Gareorn]

Later Bongo.  I have practically shelved my Ranger also.  I log him on for our Friday and Saturday night raids now and that's about it.  But unlike yourself, I have not switched to another character on EQ2.  I'm using my early access to another game that can be played with SOE's Station Pass and am leveling up a Ranger there.  I won't mention the games name, but it is being release to the public tomorrow.

 

I have about 20 plat on me.  That'll hold me for about 5 weeks worth of raiding at 2 raids per week.  I'm tired of logging on to do things I dont like to do just to make a few plat so I can buy the arrows I need for the week's raids.  I think it was the bow itemization thing that was the final straw for me though.

 

If the arrow consumption thing is fixed before I run out of plat, I'll probably stick around.  It really depends on how much I like my new Ranger.  If they don't fix the arrow consumtion thing, Gareorn will get shelved for sure.  There is simply no way I'll be able to raid if I don't have arrows.  I'm not mad or angry or anything like that.  It's just the way things are.

[Saihung23]

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Rollotamasi wrote:
Umm, Arent you the guy that was calling for a ranger nerf a few threads down?  Yeah, terribly sorry to see you go...

Message Edited by Rollotamasi on 01-28-2007 06:20 PM

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Seriously...if you don't know Bongo and just want to be a smart [I cannot control my vocabulary], just shut your pie hole and go off into a corner somewhere and dream about threads where you can start [I cannot control my vocabulary].

[Aljahb]

Can someone tell me where the bongo and mouse comics are? I want to read...And Bongo I dont know you and I am a new ranger (my account is as old as the game and the ranger was my first character but I played wow for 2 years and lost time) so this isn't boding well for my poor wittle ranger... Hope you like your necro.. and happy questing...

[Gareorn]

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Aljahbar wrote:
Can someone tell me where the bongo and mouse comics are? I want to read...

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Click the link above his sig.

[Teksun]

WOW, Bongo, I started a Necro last week and plan on making him my new main (OK, only 22 right now but still...).Between spending money on arrows and poisons, it's just not worth it. Even if I summon all my own arrows I spen about a plat a weekend in Raids on poison I'll stick with my Necro until he can be my Rangers sugardaddy

[Starness]

Sorry to see you go Bongo. You're reason for changing couldn't be more true though. I spend so much time just summoning arrows while standing around in Kel it's insane, and lame. They need to get a fix in (even a temporary one) sooner rather than later.

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TerriBlades wrote:

Wow.... 

 

Good luck with your necro Bongo... its really too bad they never fixed Mouse... those comics were great.

 

Is it just me, or a lot of the long time rangers starting to disappear?

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It's not just you. With the edition of a new ranger to my guilds roster (and one who is doing quite well for himself EQ considered) I'm contemplating leveling something else up.

Message Edited by Starness on 01-29-2007 08:26 AM

[RagingWolf]

Sorry about the mouse situation but its not that bad with arrows, arrows are pretty easy to come by, maybe that cause i'm at 70, but I go on raids and within couple hours its filled back up to 4000 like I like to keep it at.  Always keep excess with you, never let it get down past a certain point or you have to wait for it to get back to where it was a long time.  Its like keeping your car filled up with gas, don't let it get down past half a tank, otherwise you gonna spend more.  Besides the new aa's help with summoning arrows faster, so try that.

~Ragingwolf 70 Ranger

Oasis server

[Starwindz]

Ya i agree .i had the master t7 summon arrows which gives you 60 at a time. As long as you have it on your hot bar you can just summon them as you go along throughout your play time. Personally i didnt think it was that hard to keep them up as long as you didnt ignore castign the summon arrow all together and get down to the point where you didnt have enough time to summon arrows before you used them. but i dunno that was just my experience with it.

[Zholain]

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RagingWolf wrote:

Always keep excess with you, never let it get down past a certain point or you have to wait for it to get back to where it was a long time.  Its like keeping your car filled up with gas, don't let it get down past half a tank, otherwise you gonna spend more.

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Please don't take this as me trying to be a smart-[I cannot control my vocabulary], because that couldn't be further from the truth...but just how many of our other inventory bags are we supposed to use to hold arrows?  I already keep the largest crafted quiver you can get full, plus at minimum one of the largest crafted boxes you can get dedicated to arrows.  We should not be required to reserve 30%(or more) of our inventory space for arrows.I challenge you to run Obelisk of Blight and Crypt of Valdoon on Thursday or Friday afternoon, plus do your normal questing, then go raiding Friday night and not run low on arrows.  And if that raid happens to be AoA, I can almost guarantee you'll be out of arrows completely by Saturday morning.Yes, that's a lot of activity...but it is not uncommon, and we are the only class that suffers such problems in this given scenario.  We're not talking about a minor incovenience.  We're talking about a complete loss of effectiveness to the point where we become useless to a raid. We'll miss you Bongo.  Take care and I hope that things will be changed and we may see you back in here again soon.

[Gareorn]

Ragingwolf, I'm not trying to be confrontational, but many folks around here go through 4K arrows a night.  When I was raiding full time (4 days a week for my guild), I would burn through 15-20K arrows a week.  I don't about you, but the last time I asked a woodworker to make me 20K arrows, he just laughed at me.

[RagingWolf]

I have 16 slot quiver and i carry 30 sumthing slot boxes.  You can hold arrows in there also.  And it is the truth just because you got a quiver does not mean you have to only keep arrows in there, make sure you always have some even if its in your other boxes, easy since I can carry over 1200lbs

~Ragingwolf

70 Ranger

oasis

[Badaxe Ba]

So long Bongo, and I will miss your comics as well.  To the above poster who doesn't understand about arrow consumption rates,  I suggest remedial math.

[RagingWolf]

I go through COV, OOB, and Lab trash, I have never ran out of arrows, sounds more of arrow management problem cause I always have arrows to spare.  People just want things to complain about.

~Ragingwolf

70 Ranger

Oasis

[RagingWolf]

Its funny carrying arrows doesn't require math, if you save then you will always have some on you, carry boxes instead of bags, there is always room.  Its better to be prepared and have excess then to go with what you got.

~Ragingwolf

70 Ranger

oasis

[Starness]

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RagingWolf wrote:

I go through COV, OOB, and Lab trash, I have never ran out of arrows, sounds more of arrow management problem cause I always have arrows to spare.  People just want things to complain about.

~Ragingwolf

70 Ranger

Oasis

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Lab trash is pitifully easy to kill. Labs is a terribly easy zone in general and if you have decent DPS in your raid (which I will assume you do) then yes, you can recover arrows while raiding. If you're measuring stick is running through Labs then please try FTH, IS, or EH and tell me you can recover all your arrows used that night without just standing around hitting the summon arrows button (ie while questing, grouping, or raiding).

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Its funny carrying arrows doesn't require math, if you save then you will always have some on you, carry boxes instead of bags, there is always room.  Its better to be prepared and have excess then to go with what you got.

~Ragingwolf

70 Ranger

oasis

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And please read people's posts. Catareina states in her post that she indeed does carry boxes, and she in fact reserves an entire 30 slot box just for over flow arrows and can still burn through them in a hard day or two worth of play. It's better to be prepared than go with what you got? Define being prepared? For me that's standing around doing nothing but summoning arrows before I raid and after I raid so I "have excess" and am not going "with what I got". That's not my idea of a fun time, and it's apparently not bongo's either.

Message Edited by Starness on 01-29-200710:38 AM

Message Edited by Starness on 01-29-2007 10:39 AM

[Lev]

ok sorry I do not want to hijack this thread even more than it allready is, but I have to speak up..Arrow Management is not an option for us RagingWolf.. because if we choose to spare arrows and do more melee (as you have mentioned) our dps becomes worse than a guardians.. It is true, getting off your melee CAs and a few AAs can be important, but do NOT make the mistake of thinking you can do dps with melee.. Always Always have your bow auto-attacking as much as possible, and Always use a ranged CA over a melee one.And I believe there is sufficent math in the Arrows - Bloody Hell thread, so I wont go into it no more.Again sorry for joining the Hijack, and still sad to see you go Bongo, you will be missed.

[Prandtl]

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RagingWolf wrote:

I go through COV, OOB, and Lab trash, I have never ran out of arrows, sounds more of arrow management problem cause I always have arrows to spare.  People just want things to complain about.

~Ragingwolf

70 Ranger

Oasis

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Apparently you have discovered the cornocoupia of arrows!  Since you are the only ranger that never runs low on arrows, then I salute you.  With my arrow summoning at M1, and two 32 slot boxes plus a quiver full of arrows I still find myself running low on occasion. Add it up. That is over 8000 arrows, and I can burn throught hem more quickly then I ever thought possible.

Arrow management.   humph.  Arrow management is when you don't shoot any arrows

[Gareorn]

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RagingWolf wrote:

Its funny carrying arrows doesn't require math

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It does if you bring your "A" game.  On average, a Ranger will burn ~1k arrows an hour while raiding or clearing a heroic instance.  Thanks to Rabbitfly who posted early in the "Arrows" thread (which you might want to read), you can summon the following:

adept 1 - 9 hours and 30 minutes = 2000 arrows
adept 3 - 7 hours and 20 minutes = 2000 arrows
Master 1 - 5 hours and 30 minutes =2000 arrows

Assuming you have the M1 version, it takes 5 hours and 30 minutes to make 2K arrows.  In the same amount of time, you have burned 5.5K arrows.  If you started with 4k arrows, at the end of the night, assuming you raided for 5.5 hours and you summoned arrows at every opportunity exactly when it was available, you'll only have 1.5k left in your bags.   In order to get your arrow supply back up to 4k for tomorrow nights raid, you need almost 7 hours of down time to summon more arrows.  Either that, or you go purchase 2.5K arrows.  Rinse and repeat for your 3rd raid night and again for your 4th. 

As you can see, the ability to carry more arrows doesn't even come into play.  Because eventually, you are going to run out of arrows.  If you chose to spend points in the AA to double your arrow making capacity, that's up to you.  I submit that it is wrong to make one DPS class waste 5 of their AA points to ease their raid costs when they are only class that has to pay to raid in the first place.  It's a nice gesture, but at the most, it just means that you don't have to buy as many arrows.  You will still have to buy arrows though.  Besides, the 5 AA points spent to help with a person's arrow woes, would better serve the raid force if spent in a DPS increasing ability.

Eventually, you will get to the point where you are spending plat to raid just like the rest of us.  And your post will start out something like... "Now I see what you all meant about the arrows.  I can't keep up anymore."  And when you do, the rest of us get to line up to smack you in the back of the head.  That's if any of us are still here.

Edit:  Anytime there is math in one of my posts, you can expect an edit. :smileytongue:

Message Edited by Gareorn on 01-29-2007 12:04 PM

[Deaudlus]

I lol'd.

[Starness]

You don't even have to go that far with the math to figure it out. Just look at the recast timers of our CAs. The bigger ones (Triple, Culling etc) are 1min recast if memory serves. If I were to go down and use all my CAs then just wait for them to recycle thats:

Triple (3) + Culling (1) + Precise (2) + Amazing (1) + Devitalizing (1) + Confounding (1) + Snaring (1) = 10 arrows

I can fire all of those off every minute (some of them more than once a minute) so that's at least 100 arrows in 10 minutes. Or (for those that take 5 points in the AA) 50 every 5 minutes.

This does not account for Point Blank Shot, Rain of Arrows, Sniper's Shot, Veiled Fire, Selection, Archer's Frenzy procs (which may or may not use arrows, never really checked), and Auto Attack.

If by arrow management you mean doing less DPS then yes, we can keep on top of our arrow supply easily. Of course then we'll do crappy DPS and have absolutely no place on a raid force...

[TerriBlades]

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RagingWolf wrote:

Its funny carrying arrows doesn't require math, if you save then you will always have some on you, carry boxes instead of bags, there is always room.  Its better to be prepared and have excess then to go with what you got.

~Ragingwolf

70 Ranger

oasis

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I really didnt want to derail this thread by responding to this, but after reading the whole thread, I see its too late. First off, Im going to say that I dont have an arrow issue. At least not anymore. Thats because I have Ichorstrand. However, I wasnt born with it, so I know what its like to not be able to keep up mass production of arrows. I had M1 version of the arrow summoning line, and for while, that held me over. However, if you're in a guild, and that guilds RAIDING 3-5 nights a week, there is no way in hell that the M1 summoning line is going to give you enough arrows. At some point, unless you stay logged in all night, in your room, and use an external program (xumouse comes to mind here), you will run out of arrows. Well either that, or you will have to stop "hunting" and summon arrows for hours on end.

On a typical full raid. Im not talking about some trash zones like OOB, and Im not talking about doing a half-[Removed for Content] run through Labs. Nope that doesnt even come close to using as many arrows as you would on a full run. I have one of, if not the biggest quiver available. I carry 2 quivers (dont ask, I just do). I always tried to make sure both quivers were full before any raid. I'll use your example... Labs... on a boring run through ... its usually chain pulling the trash. Meaning, I can either slack off on my intended role (DPS) and summon arrows. Or I can wait, and maybe get a chance to summon them after the fight. So I didnt always summon arrows every time it refreshed. Even with 2 full quivers, I would usually walk out of any raid zone with less the a quiver full. Yes, summoning where I can. Now, try doing that 3-5 times a night, cause god forbid you forget to set up your afk arrow summoning. See just how fast your arrow supply drops to next to nothing after 1 week of full time raiding.

For you to even say that we all should be able to  keep up with our arrow supply is a joke. I can, but I can also summon 99 a stack every 5 mins. But you cant raid full time and use M1 arrow summoning to get by like that. Sooner or later, you'll be forced to shell out (what is it? 6g a stack?). Just for kicks, why dont you clean out your quiver, head over to KoS, find a merchant that sells T7 arrows, and fill up your recently emptied quiver. Just do it once. See what it feels like to take a 1p hit to stock up on arrows so you can raid that night.

So until you start raiding several nights a week, and farming instances for drops to sell for coin, you should just keep your mouth shut. It just shows how very little you know about the end game raiding aspect of rangers.