Can someone explain zealotry usefulness?

Amhrazul · 03-14-2007, 01:11 AM

I'm getting close to level 50 and I hear alot of talk about fanatacism and zealotry. I have read the descriptions and I guess I'm still a little in the dark about what exactly will and won't work with it active. Can you still auto attack? Do combat arts work if you have the battle priest spec? I mainly solo and duo and can't imagine ever using it if its going to totally incapacitate me. Seems like its something you would only do in a group and then go stand in a corner and let everyone else have fun... which doesn't sound very appealing.

DwarvesR · 03-14-2007, 04:46 AM

It's most useful in groups and raids. Generally in a group, if you are melee heavy and have a 2nd healer, then it works nice to haste everyone, plus the INT buff in it helps the mages a little too. That said, you are stifled, but you have 100% crits and a 2H weapon, so most of your damage comes from your auto-attack anyway. You *do* have 100% melee crit and a big slow 2H weapon, right? RIGHT?!?!?!?

If I'm sole healer, I very rarely use it. If I'm in a group with 2 healers, I still only really use it if the group is melee heavy, and sometimes not even then.

In solo, I sometimes use it if I've been chaining a lot of mobs and I'm now a little low on power. Sometimes I'll toss it up for a few seconds while waiting for my CA's to refresh too, but usually I don't bother.

In a raid, if you've got a good MT and MT group keeping him up, and you're in a melee-heavy dps group that you only need to spot-heal occasionally. . . this is your time to use it. Keep it up as much as possible in this situation. Your group's dps will shoot way up.

You can use AA's to remove the stifle effect, but the casting penalties for doing so are excessive and completely not worth it -- it's better to just toggle it off and save your AA's for something else.

Chanah · 03-14-2007, 02:45 PM

It's very usefull for grabbing a beer midraid SMILEY

Spider · 03-14-2007, 04:19 PM

Jonna@Befallen wrote:

It's most useful in groups and raids. Generally in a group, if you are melee heavy and have a 2nd healer, then it works nice to haste everyone, plus the INT buff in it helps the mages a little too. That said, you are stifled, but you have 100% crits and a 2H weapon, so most of your damage comes from your auto-attack anyway. You *do* have 100% melee crit and a big slow 2H weapon, right? RIGHT?!?!?!?
If I'm sole healer, I very rarely use it. If I'm in a group with 2 healers, I still only really use it if the group is melee heavy, and sometimes not even then.
In solo, I sometimes use it if I've been chaining a lot of mobs and I'm now a little low on power. Sometimes I'll toss it up for a few seconds while waiting for my CA's to refresh too, but usually I don't bother.
In a raid, if you've got a good MT and MT group keeping him up, and you're in a melee-heavy dps group that you only need to spot-heal occasionally. . . this is your time to use it. Keep it up as much as possible in this situation. Your group's dps will shoot way up.
You can use AA's to remove the stifle effect, but the casting penalties for doing so are excessive and completely not worth it -- it's better to just toggle it off and save your AA's for something else.

the point of removing the stifle in this manner is so taht you can use your AA melee CA'S while its up at which point its insanly valuable

Uilamin · 03-14-2007, 05:54 PM

The spell is good in raid situations where you do not need to heal much, so usually helping down trash and some names faster. The AA allows you to cure while under the duress of it as well as patch healing and using debuffs.

Amhrazul · 03-14-2007, 06:17 PM

so basically what I am hearing is that unless I'm in a raid I should probably not bother except for times in long fights where I am trying to get every point of dps I can (while CA's are down). And yes like every Inquisitor out there I am battle spec and do use a big 2h flail.

Spider · 03-14-2007, 06:26 PM

Amhrazul wrote:

so basically what I am hearing is that unless I'm in a raid I should probably not bother except for times in long fights where I am trying to get every point of dps I can (while CA's are down). And yes like every Inquisitor out there I am battle spec and do use a big 2h flail.

then ur good to go

its also good when solo too

use ca's , cast reactives , hit zealotry and smash with hammer till heals are needed or ca's refresh

Solar_Fla · 03-14-2007, 07:49 PM

Honestly I believe Fanaticism is our most powerful buff there is. At master version of Fanaticism you buff the group by 88 INT 61 Haste and 10% less recast timers. I can't think of a buff that helps so many people. Its a great spell because it only stifles you making it so you can't cast spells HOWEVER you can "Toggle" it off and on at will almost. So in a hairy situation you turn it off cast your heal then turn it right back on and never miss a beat. If you get the AA (keep in mind it is bugged horribly atm) it removes the stifle component so that you can use anythjing while its up. Read the AA for restrictions though and the boards here to see how it is messed up. Basicly you want to use it anytime you got a free moment. If the tank doesn't need heals and everyone is fine and the mobs are debuffed it doesn't hurt to increase basic attack speed by 61 thus making the mob die quicker thus making your job easier and thus allowing you to get more done in a shorter period of time. You can't go wrong with it.

Spider · 03-14-2007, 08:22 PM

Solar_Flare wrote:

Honestly I believe Fanaticism is our most powerful buff there is. At master version of Fanaticism you buff the group by 88 INT 61 Haste and 10% less recast timers. I can't think of a buff that helps so many people. Its a great spell because it only stifles you making it so you can't cast spells HOWEVER you can "Toggle" it off and on at will almost. So in a hairy situation you turn it off cast your heal then turn it right back on and never miss a beat. If you get the AA (keep in mind it is bugged horribly atm) it removes the stifle component so that you can use anythjing while its up. Read the AA for restrictions though and the boards here to see how it is messed up. Basicly you want to use it anytime you got a free moment. If the tank doesn't need heals and everyone is fine and the mobs are debuffed it doesn't hurt to increase basic attack speed by 61 thus making the mob die quicker thus making your job easier and thus allowing you to get more done in a shorter period of time. You can't go wrong with it.

AMEN

Uilamin · 03-14-2007, 10:23 PM

Amhrazul wrote:

so basically what I am hearing is that unless I'm in a raid I should probably not bother except for times in long fights where I am trying to get every point of dps I can (while CA's are down). And yes like every Inquisitor out there I am battle spec and do use a big 2h flail.

The spell is also very usefull if you have a low delay one-hander with a mana vamp adornment on it. If you mix that adornment with inquest, and then that haste you should regen a bit of mana if you need it.

Ravaan · 03-15-2007, 04:23 PM

I don't know i use it all the time in group situations. I usually ...

Debuff>both my reactives> zealotry/fanaticism.

and now with my AA i don't even have to turn it off to cure or spot heal. Its always on when i solo as well, i got a 2 hander that has a 400 heal proc and with the haste It goes off constantly saving my mana lol.

I love the spell.

juz · 03-16-2007, 04:32 PM

Yannos@Unrest wrote:

I don't know i use it all the time in group situations. I usually ...
Debuff>both my reactives> zealotry/fanaticism.
and now with my AA i don't even have to turn it off to cure or spot heal. Its always on when i solo as well, i got a 2 hander that has a 400 heal proc and with the haste It goes off constantly saving my mana lol.
I love the spell.

If you got the AA, you are killing your reactives with that strat. Enhance Fanaticism will lower your reactive heals even if you cast them before casting Fanaticism. Also E:Fanaticism nerfes itself, meaning the recurring power cost will be higher with the AA than without it.

Spider · 03-16-2007, 06:55 PM

juzam wrote:

Yannos@Unrest wrote:
I don't know i use it all the time in group situations. I usually ...
Debuff>both my reactives> zealotry/fanaticism.
and now with my AA i don't even have to turn it off to cure or spot heal. Its always on when i solo as well, i got a 2 hander that has a 400 heal proc and with the haste It goes off constantly saving my mana lol.
I love the spell.
If you got the AA, you are killing your reactives with that strat. Enhance Fanaticism will lower your reactive heals even if you cast them before casting Fanaticism. Also E:Fanaticism nerfes itself, meaning the recurring power cost will be higher with the AA than without it.

what he is saying is that with a healing proc on his weapon he doesnt need to your his heals very much to begin with due to the proc going off frequently

03-14-2007, 01:11 AM	#1
Amhrazul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	I'm getting close to level 50 and I hear alot of talk about fanatacism and zealotry. I have read the descriptions and I guess I'm still a little in the dark about what exactly will and won't work with it active. Can you still auto attack? Do combat arts work if you have the battle priest spec? I mainly solo and duo and can't imagine ever using it if its going to totally incapacitate me. Seems like its something you would only do in a group and then go stand in a corner and let everyone else have fun... which doesn't sound very appealing. __________________ ************************************ Zjin 70 Guardian Amhrazul 70 Inquisitor Desecrated of Mistmoore "It's too late. You've woken up the gazebo, and it catches you and eats you."

03-14-2007, 04:46 AM	#2
DwarvesR General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,390	It's most useful in groups and raids. Generally in a group, if you are melee heavy and have a 2nd healer, then it works nice to haste everyone, plus the INT buff in it helps the mages a little too. That said, you are stifled, but you have 100% crits and a 2H weapon, so most of your damage comes from your auto-attack anyway. You do have 100% melee crit and a big slow 2H weapon, right? RIGHT?!?!?!? If I'm sole healer, I very rarely use it. If I'm in a group with 2 healers, I still only really use it if the group is melee heavy, and sometimes not even then. In solo, I sometimes use it if I've been chaining a lot of mobs and I'm now a little low on power. Sometimes I'll toss it up for a few seconds while waiting for my CA's to refresh too, but usually I don't bother. In a raid, if you've got a good MT and MT group keeping him up, and you're in a melee-heavy dps group that you only need to spot-heal occasionally. . . this is your time to use it. Keep it up as much as possible in this situation. Your group's dps will shoot way up. You can use AA's to remove the stifle effect, but the casting penalties for doing so are excessive and completely not worth it -- it's better to just toggle it off and save your AA's for something else. __________________ Jonna - 78 Inquisitor, Keodan - 77 Fury, Elynna - 90 Coercer, Clarisse - 90 ShadowKnight, Gotter - 90 Warlock, Kyeda - 66 Necromancer, Spirrita - 66 Defiler, Darlana - 75 Dirge, Meylota - 54 Warden, Guuk - 60 Monk, Briarra - 55 Brigand, Dactylus - 51 Mystic

03-14-2007, 02:45 PM	#3
Chanah Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 203	It's very usefull for grabbing a beer midraid __________________ Inquisitor of -=Redemption=-

03-14-2007, 04:19 PM	#4
Spider Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,112	Jonna@Befallen wrote: It's most useful in groups and raids. Generally in a group, if you are melee heavy and have a 2nd healer, then it works nice to haste everyone, plus the INT buff in it helps the mages a little too. That said, you are stifled, but you have 100% crits and a 2H weapon, so most of your damage comes from your auto-attack anyway. You do have 100% melee crit and a big slow 2H weapon, right? RIGHT?!?!?!? If I'm sole healer, I very rarely use it. If I'm in a group with 2 healers, I still only really use it if the group is melee heavy, and sometimes not even then. In solo, I sometimes use it if I've been chaining a lot of mobs and I'm now a little low on power. Sometimes I'll toss it up for a few seconds while waiting for my CA's to refresh too, but usually I don't bother. In a raid, if you've got a good MT and MT group keeping him up, and you're in a melee-heavy dps group that you only need to spot-heal occasionally. . . this is your time to use it. Keep it up as much as possible in this situation. Your group's dps will shoot way up. You can use AA's to remove the stifle effect, but the casting penalties for doing so are excessive and completely not worth it -- it's better to just toggle it off and save your AA's for something else. the point of removing the stifle in this manner is so taht you can use your AA melee CA'S while its up at which point its insanly valuable

03-14-2007, 06:17 PM	#6
Amhrazul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	so basically what I am hearing is that unless I'm in a raid I should probably not bother except for times in long fights where I am trying to get every point of dps I can (while CA's are down). And yes like every Inquisitor out there I am battle spec and do use a big 2h flail. __________________ ************************************ Zjin 70 Guardian Amhrazul 70 Inquisitor Desecrated of Mistmoore "It's too late. You've woken up the gazebo, and it catches you and eats you."

03-14-2007, 05:54 PM	#5
Uilamin Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 427	The spell is good in raid situations where you do not need to heal much, so usually helping down trash and some names faster. The AA allows you to cure while under the duress of it as well as patch healing and using debuffs.

03-14-2007, 06:26 PM	#7
Spider Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,112	Amhrazul wrote: so basically what I am hearing is that unless I'm in a raid I should probably not bother except for times in long fights where I am trying to get every point of dps I can (while CA's are down). And yes like every Inquisitor out there I am battle spec and do use a big 2h flail. then ur good to go its also good when solo too use ca's , cast reactives , hit zealotry and smash with hammer till heals are needed or ca's refresh

03-14-2007, 07:49 PM	#8
Solar_Fla General Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 99	Honestly I believe Fanaticism is our most powerful buff there is. At master version of Fanaticism you buff the group by 88 INT 61 Haste and 10% less recast timers. I can't think of a buff that helps so many people. Its a great spell because it only stifles you making it so you can't cast spells HOWEVER you can "Toggle" it off and on at will almost. So in a hairy situation you turn it off cast your heal then turn it right back on and never miss a beat. If you get the AA (keep in mind it is bugged horribly atm) it removes the stifle component so that you can use anythjing while its up. Read the AA for restrictions though and the boards here to see how it is messed up. Basicly you want to use it anytime you got a free moment. If the tank doesn't need heals and everyone is fine and the mobs are debuffed it doesn't hurt to increase basic attack speed by 61 thus making the mob die quicker thus making your job easier and thus allowing you to get more done in a shorter period of time. You can't go wrong with it.

03-14-2007, 08:22 PM	#9
Spider Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,112	Solar_Flare wrote: Honestly I believe Fanaticism is our most powerful buff there is. At master version of Fanaticism you buff the group by 88 INT 61 Haste and 10% less recast timers. I can't think of a buff that helps so many people. Its a great spell because it only stifles you making it so you can't cast spells HOWEVER you can "Toggle" it off and on at will almost. So in a hairy situation you turn it off cast your heal then turn it right back on and never miss a beat. If you get the AA (keep in mind it is bugged horribly atm) it removes the stifle component so that you can use anythjing while its up. Read the AA for restrictions though and the boards here to see how it is messed up. Basicly you want to use it anytime you got a free moment. If the tank doesn't need heals and everyone is fine and the mobs are debuffed it doesn't hurt to increase basic attack speed by 61 thus making the mob die quicker thus making your job easier and thus allowing you to get more done in a shorter period of time. You can't go wrong with it. AMEN

03-14-2007, 10:23 PM	#10
Uilamin Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 427	Amhrazul wrote: so basically what I am hearing is that unless I'm in a raid I should probably not bother except for times in long fights where I am trying to get every point of dps I can (while CA's are down). And yes like every Inquisitor out there I am battle spec and do use a big 2h flail. The spell is also very usefull if you have a low delay one-hander with a mana vamp adornment on it. If you mix that adornment with inquest, and then that haste you should regen a bit of mana if you need it.

03-15-2007, 04:23 PM	#11
Ravaan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 554	I don't know i use it all the time in group situations. I usually ... Debuff>both my reactives> zealotry/fanaticism. and now with my AA i don't even have to turn it off to cure or spot heal. Its always on when i solo as well, i got a 2 hander that has a 400 heal proc and with the haste It goes off constantly saving my mana lol. I love the spell.

03-16-2007, 04:32 PM	#12
juz General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 318	Yannos@Unrest wrote: I don't know i use it all the time in group situations. I usually ... Debuff>both my reactives> zealotry/fanaticism. and now with my AA i don't even have to turn it off to cure or spot heal. Its always on when i solo as well, i got a 2 hander that has a 400 heal proc and with the haste It goes off constantly saving my mana lol. I love the spell. If you got the AA, you are killing your reactives with that strat. Enhance Fanaticism will lower your reactive heals even if you cast them before casting Fanaticism. Also E:Fanaticism nerfes itself, meaning the recurring power cost will be higher with the AA than without it. __________________

03-16-2007, 06:55 PM	#13
Spider Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,112	juzam wrote: Yannos@Unrest wrote: I don't know i use it all the time in group situations. I usually ... Debuff>both my reactives> zealotry/fanaticism. and now with my AA i don't even have to turn it off to cure or spot heal. Its always on when i solo as well, i got a 2 hander that has a 400 heal proc and with the haste It goes off constantly saving my mana lol. I love the spell. If you got the AA, you are killing your reactives with that strat. Enhance Fanaticism will lower your reactive heals even if you cast them before casting Fanaticism. Also E:Fanaticism nerfes itself, meaning the recurring power cost will be higher with the AA than without it. what he is saying is that with a healing proc on his weapon he doesnt need to your his heals very much to begin with due to the proc going off frequently