Str or Agi ?

Firewin · 11-14-2005, 08:48 PM

I know assassins use Agi as their main attribute but as a moslty grouped assassin should I up my strength instead of agility?

or does my agility work like int for mages?

deciever · 11-14-2005, 08:52 PM

STR is a must to do good damage. Go all out on STR. Focus on STR. Anything else is just extra.

dea · 11-14-2005, 09:57 PM

Firewin wrote:
I know assassins use Agi as their main attribute but as a moslty grouped assassin should I up my strength instead of agility?

or does my agility work like int for mages?

Strength: this will serve you well in everything you do. Combat art attack damage will increase dramatically as you approach the strength cap. This is your PRIMARY attribute, capping it will provide the most bang for your buck. Agility: your +agi self-buff should help to keep your mana pool fairly large. Generally you should be able to keep this attribute high without much effort since much of the scout gear concentrates on this attribute. Stamina & Wisdom: if you are raiding you will want to squeeze in as much stamina and wisdom as possible to survive occaisionally getting aggro or being subject to rampage and AE attacks. Intelligence: few Assassins will have high intelligence and the payoff appears small when your score is low. As with any attribute, approaching the cap will bring far more significant returns. Intelligence affects our DoT damage and magical proc damage. Once you have your strength score to a level that you can handle it is up to each Assassin to start making tradeoffs to raise their other attributes. Which road you choose is largely a personal choice and group/raid dynamics can play a large part in determining what kind of situational gear you will find most useful.

hammong · 11-15-2005, 09:07 PM

AGI is prime stat for ranged damage, and STR is prime stat for melee combat damage. I'd say you want to keep your STR as high as possible for most group situations, and consider having a set of high AGI gear on hand for soloing opportunities where the greater mitigation and avoidance would help.

Jakr · 11-15-2005, 09:46 PM

str and sta all the way. int and wis will never be high enough as a scout to matter, and agi you will have tons of naturaly do to our buffs.

Salat · 11-21-2005, 08:43 PM

As a mainly grouped assassin I would just focus on strength, especially if you have GEBs and Prismatic. The mana regen, with drink plus any group mana buffs should keep you with enough power in every fight and fast out of combat regen. If the tank is holding aggro, agil is then just wasted since you have enough mana regen and are not being hit. Int isnt bad for procs on weapons, and DoT, but nothing I would go all out on. Rather, while getting str up, if you happen across something with str and int on it, might as well equip it. Sta is rather tricky, just in a normal group with a good tank, little need for it. If you are getting aggro alot, then I would switch out to better mitigation armor and lower the str, and be quick hitting that defensive stance in combat. On raids, Sta is something you will want, just for those blasted AoE abils that all the raid mobs seem to have. Unless you want to stay back and just fire your bow, but with our limited bow attacks, I find that really dull. Wisdom isnt bad either for raiding to get those higher resistances to the AoEs.

Now for dueling, I prefer high mitigation, high agil and med sta armor and equipment. For soloing I like high str, high mitigation and some agil armor.

But just for grouping with a good tank, I prefer to go all out str.

SmEaGoLLuM · 11-22-2005, 07:57 AM

Indeed str is more important, especially for an assassin since we don't buff str ourselves and all our damage comes from str. But having said that I would keep the values pretty close in value since a lot more classes buff str than agil, so while grouped or raiding your str would more likely reach or surpass the cap rather than your agil and if you concentrate on str too much it would be way over the cap and hence be wasted. Just my opinion, there is no solid answer for any of these questions :smileyhappy:

Message Edited by SmEaGoLLuM86 on 11-22-2005 01:22 PM

scivias · 11-22-2005, 08:33 PM

hammong wrote:
AGI is prime stat for ranged damage, and STR is prime stat for melee combat damage.

No it isn't. Agi has nothing to do with increased damage, ranged or not. Ranged attacks get more powerful with more strength also.

Craien · 11-22-2005, 10:42 PM

By far, the opinion is to focus on strength, but I would instead counsel you to focus on survivability. I do desire maximizing my damage as much as possible and work towards that end as well, especially as fights often are balanced on how fast you can take a mob out. While doing that though, I am not going to sacrifice stamina, agility or wisdom which I consider to be more important than strength. If you’re dead, you’re not doing damage. Why sacrifice resists, hitpoints or mitigation just for some extra damage? You never know when you will find yourself in a situation where you will wish you had more of those three attributes. I would say plan for those ‘what if’ scenario’s rather than focusing solely on eking out a few more points of strength.

dea · 11-22-2005, 10:56 PM

If you can count on having a group well balanced for strength buffs you are encouraged to shoot for maximizing stamina, agility, wisdom, and intelligence. Something like a shaman and a berserker, maybe with a bard, wizard, or shadowknight added in, can make for some awesome strength buffs for the group and a few single-target buffs as well. With such a group I routinely find myself swapping out my standard +str gear for my resist gear (with str over 490 with most of my +str gear removed, I am always looking for the next piece of stamina/resist/intelligence gear to supplement my collection). Now this doesn't mean that much of my gear doesn't provide both strength *and* other attributes. It only means that I have certain equipment pieces that I use specifically to get closer to the strength cap when in a group with little to no strength buffs, and that are otherwise quite poor except for their large +str numbers. In cases when strength is already maxed, it makes sense to swap this gear out.

11-14-2005, 09:57 PM	#3
dea Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 427	Firewin wrote: I know assassins use Agi as their main attribute but as a moslty grouped assassin should I up my strength instead of agility? or does my agility work like int for mages? Strength: this will serve you well in everything you do. Combat art attack damage will increase dramatically as you approach the strength cap. This is your PRIMARY attribute, capping it will provide the most bang for your buck. Agility: your +agi self-buff should help to keep your mana pool fairly large. Generally you should be able to keep this attribute high without much effort since much of the scout gear concentrates on this attribute. Stamina & Wisdom: if you are raiding you will want to squeeze in as much stamina and wisdom as possible to survive occaisionally getting aggro or being subject to rampage and AE attacks. Intelligence: few Assassins will have high intelligence and the payoff appears small when your score is low. As with any attribute, approaching the cap will bring far more significant returns. Intelligence affects our DoT damage and magical proc damage. Once you have your strength score to a level that you can handle it is up to each Assassin to start making tradeoffs to raise their other attributes. Which road you choose is largely a personal choice and group/raid dynamics can play a large part in determining what kind of situational gear you will find most useful.

11-15-2005, 09:07 PM	#4
hammong Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 128	AGI is prime stat for ranged damage, and STR is prime stat for melee combat damage. I'd say you want to keep your STR as high as possible for most group situations, and consider having a set of high AGI gear on hand for soloing opportunities where the greater mitigation and avoidance would help. __________________ Demento, 90/300 Illusionist Jaggnar, 90/300 SK Brightwind, 90/255 Fury Nihilist Dynasty - Permafrost

11-15-2005, 09:46 PM	#5
Jakr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 198	str and sta all the way. int and wis will never be high enough as a scout to matter, and agi you will have tons of naturaly do to our buffs. __________________ Jakron lvl 60 Assassin Jakrin lvl 55 Paladin Ascendanceguild.com

11-21-2005, 08:43 PM	#6
Salat Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 62	As a mainly grouped assassin I would just focus on strength, especially if you have GEBs and Prismatic. The mana regen, with drink plus any group mana buffs should keep you with enough power in every fight and fast out of combat regen. If the tank is holding aggro, agil is then just wasted since you have enough mana regen and are not being hit. Int isnt bad for procs on weapons, and DoT, but nothing I would go all out on. Rather, while getting str up, if you happen across something with str and int on it, might as well equip it. Sta is rather tricky, just in a normal group with a good tank, little need for it. If you are getting aggro alot, then I would switch out to better mitigation armor and lower the str, and be quick hitting that defensive stance in combat. On raids, Sta is something you will want, just for those blasted AoE abils that all the raid mobs seem to have. Unless you want to stay back and just fire your bow, but with our limited bow attacks, I find that really dull. Wisdom isnt bad either for raiding to get those higher resistances to the AoEs. Now for dueling, I prefer high mitigation, high agil and med sta armor and equipment. For soloing I like high str, high mitigation and some agil armor. But just for grouping with a good tank, I prefer to go all out str. __________________

11-22-2005, 08:33 PM	#8
scivias Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 475	hammong wrote: AGI is prime stat for ranged damage, and STR is prime stat for melee combat damage. No it isn't. Agi has nothing to do with increased damage, ranged or not. Ranged attacks get more powerful with more strength also. __________________

11-14-2005, 08:48 PM	#1
Firewin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 8	I know assassins use Agi as their main attribute but as a moslty grouped assassin should I up my strength instead of agility? or does my agility work like int for mages?

11-14-2005, 08:52 PM	#2
deciever Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 39	STR is a must to do good damage. Go all out on STR. Focus on STR. Anything else is just extra.

11-22-2005, 07:57 AM	#7
SmEaGoLLuM General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 389	Indeed str is more important, especially for an assassin since we don't buff str ourselves and all our damage comes from str. But having said that I would keep the values pretty close in value since a lot more classes buff str than agil, so while grouped or raiding your str would more likely reach or surpass the cap rather than your agil and if you concentrate on str too much it would be way over the cap and hence be wasted. Just my opinion, there is no solid answer for any of these questions :smileyhappy: Message Edited by SmEaGoLLuM86 on 11-22-2005 01:22 PM

11-22-2005, 10:42 PM	#9
Craien Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Seattle, WA. Posts: 95	By far, the opinion is to focus on strength, but I would instead counsel you to focus on survivability. I do desire maximizing my damage as much as possible and work towards that end as well, especially as fights often are balanced on how fast you can take a mob out. While doing that though, I am not going to sacrifice stamina, agility or wisdom which I consider to be more important than strength. If you’re dead, you’re not doing damage. Why sacrifice resists, hitpoints or mitigation just for some extra damage? You never know when you will find yourself in a situation where you will wish you had more of those three attributes. I would say plan for those ‘what if’ scenario’s rather than focusing solely on eking out a few more points of strength. __________________ Narrator: "There's one word that all who work in nuclear physics fears...." Servo: "Ooops!" - Monster A-Go-Go

11-22-2005, 10:56 PM	#10
dea Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 427	If you can count on having a group well balanced for strength buffs you are encouraged to shoot for maximizing stamina, agility, wisdom, and intelligence. Something like a shaman and a berserker, maybe with a bard, wizard, or shadowknight added in, can make for some awesome strength buffs for the group and a few single-target buffs as well. With such a group I routinely find myself swapping out my standard +str gear for my resist gear (with str over 490 with most of my +str gear removed, I am always looking for the next piece of stamina/resist/intelligence gear to supplement my collection). Now this doesn't mean that much of my gear doesn't provide both strength and other attributes. It only means that I have certain equipment pieces that I use specifically to get closer to the strength cap when in a group with little to no strength buffs, and that are otherwise quite poor except for their large +str numbers. In cases when strength is already maxed, it makes sense to swap this gear out.