adept 3 tier 5 choice?

Hawty · 05-06-2005, 08:49 PM

Hello there,

Just wondering what the masses go for when making their first adept 3 in tier 5. I was leaning toward punch blade, but then I saw an adept 3 on the boards and it didn't look too much better when compared to the adept 1. Wondering if it would be worth making anethema adept 3 instead.

thanks for your wisdom,

Putka · 05-06-2005, 11:13 PM

Well I'm sure you've pretty much decided what to get for yourself anyway and wont care too much about anyone's advice SMILEY

(that usually seems to be the case anyway) but I'd start with all 3 bow attacks, then MoN and PB.

Exactly which art to upgrade first hardly matters in the long run, none of them alone will make you considerably more powerful or anything..

Kizee · 05-06-2005, 11:53 PM

I would like to know what ones to upgrade also.. I have 5 inks sitting in the bank but I am undecided on what to get or save them for. :p

You are the second person that said to upgrade the bow CA's. Is there that much of a differance from adept1 to adept3? I know there are a few CA's that you get minimal increases upgrading them.

Hawty · 05-07-2005, 03:20 AM

Thanks putka,

I was also thinking about upgrading spitting viper as well. You do have a point. In the long run none of it matters, but then again I might not get all the rares I need. So I was going for a biggest bang for the buck sort of deal in case I don't harvest all the rares needed.

scivias · 05-08-2005, 06:12 AM

Upgraded Spitting Viper from Adept1 to Adept III yesterday, approx 150 damage were added.

DearthofWeal · 05-12-2005, 01:06 AM

I've already got the adept3 of Punch Blade and Mask of Night. Didn't look at any damage comparisons because they were bugged at the time : Anyway, would the investment in Assassinate be worth such a rare? (I have 2 more of them and am hoping assassinate's re-use timer will be re-worked). Faltering Blast is assuredly going to be one as it's incredibly useful on kites with it's chance to dual-proc. Spitting Viper? Should I upgrade this even though I do most of my time solo-kiting named mobs and always open up with AD3 BT/CB + Slow? In a long kite I can get 1, maybe 2 Spitting Vipers in (root and go around). Worth it? And Yes, I do kite for a fee if you want free exp while you are AFK for an extended period of time. LvL 44+ toons on Crushbone.

Graton · 05-12-2005, 01:51 AM

this question keeps coming up and i wished i bookmarked the post but anyway there was a study done by a 50 assassin with nearly all the adept 3's that showed what portion of their dmg came from which CA's. based on that they had recommendations about which skills to make adept iii. i recall that bloodthirster adept III accounted for a considerable percentage and was rated the best bang for the buck adept 3. however , it's tier 4 so that doesn't help you. i'm hoping someone can recall the study i'm talking about and does have the url. i'll so some searching again to see if i can come up with it.

khalysta · 05-12-2005, 02:04 AM

I would probably do punchblade first. It's a big attack and on a 10 second timer so its well worth it as is mask of night. Lingering blow and infected wound are also some core melee range abilities that you might want to upgrade first as well.

dparker7 · 05-17-2005, 11:30 PM

I'd go Mask of Night first probably and then I'd focus on melee damage CAs, not piercing. So, Infected Wound, Seeping Wound and Spitting Viper would be out. I also wouldnt upgrade Garrote pr Paralyzing Strike, pretty much ever. I think any of the other nonbuff CAs could be worth it. These are all based upon heavy raid though -- you really need to determine what you'll mostly be doing to determine the best upgrades for you.

Vuron · 05-17-2005, 11:46 PM

Does anybody have data on the difference between Adept I and Adept III of Merciless Villainy? I'd be interested to see if there is a decent jump in the attack speed or agility buff numbers.

thebigtime · 05-19-2005, 10:50 AM

****These are the only really worthwhile ones, lingering blow is by far our best skill, and punch blade is usually #2. I would definately get lingering blow/punch blade and bow skills first. Anathema doesn't change at all to adept3, granted it is a level 50 skill.

Obsi · 05-19-2005, 02:38 PM

Anathema : APP1 def-7 phys mitigation -245 / AD3 def-8 phys mit-265

Choice depends on your playstyle : If you solo a lot you want the 2 bow shots (not viper) upgraded quite quickly.

If you play in a group then go for Mask+punch blade. Beside what have been said above Anathema+Infected wounds

are also very valuable if your group count 2 other meleers providing very guud slash pierce poison and defence debuff

(my group have 2 other melee dps so it worth it ... if you play with just a tank,you and mages of course forget those :p ).

Do not ... DO NOT upgrade Merciless Villainy : App4 to adept 3 = +3 agi ... and thats all you get for the use of the rhodium !

Obside

Message Edited by Obside on 05-19-2005 03:39 AM

pczry · 05-20-2005, 02:57 AM

you guys seen assassinate adept 3? lol recast time is 3hrs+

Lo · 05-21-2005, 03:15 AM

No, i have it and it's a 1 H recast .

Hawty · 05-25-2005, 12:14 AM

wow thanks for those screenshots. It would be awsome if we could sticky a thread with screenshots at the top or something. Again, thank you!

BaruMonk · 05-29-2005, 08:36 AM

thebigtime wrote: ****These are the only really worthwhile ones, lingering blow is by far our best skill, and punch blade is usually #2. I would definately get lingering blow/punch blade and bow skills first. Anathema doesn't change at all to adept3, granted it is a level 50 skill.

Would you mind re-posting (or someone else posting) the screenshot of Spitting Viper (Adept III)? The numbers got hidden under the window of Faltering Blast.

05-08-2005, 06:12 AM	#5
scivias Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 475	Upgraded Spitting Viper from Adept1 to Adept III yesterday, approx 150 damage were added. __________________

05-12-2005, 01:51 AM	#7
Graton Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 521	this question keeps coming up and i wished i bookmarked the post but anyway there was a study done by a 50 assassin with nearly all the adept 3's that showed what portion of their dmg came from which CA's. based on that they had recommendations about which skills to make adept iii. i recall that bloodthirster adept III accounted for a considerable percentage and was rated the best bang for the buck adept 3. however , it's tier 4 so that doesn't help you. i'm hoping someone can recall the study i'm talking about and does have the url. i'll so some searching again to see if i can come up with it. __________________ Graton 70 Assassin / 70 Jeweler Ancient Vengeance Najena

05-19-2005, 02:38 PM	#12
Obsi General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	Anathema : APP1 def-7 phys mitigation -245 / AD3 def-8 phys mit-265 Choice depends on your playstyle : If you solo a lot you want the 2 bow shots (not viper) upgraded quite quickly. If you play in a group then go for Mask+punch blade. Beside what have been said above Anathema+Infected wounds are also very valuable if your group count 2 other meleers providing very guud slash pierce poison and defence debuff (my group have 2 other melee dps so it worth it ... if you play with just a tank,you and mages of course forget those :p ). Do not ... DO NOT upgrade Merciless Villainy : App4 to adept 3 = +3 agi ... and thats all you get for the use of the rhodium ! Obside Message Edited by Obside on 05-19-2005 03:39 AM __________________

05-20-2005, 02:57 AM	#13
pczry Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 180	you guys seen assassinate adept 3? lol recast time is 3hrs+ __________________

05-29-2005, 08:36 AM	#16
BaruMonk General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 138	thebigtime wrote: ****These are the only really worthwhile ones, lingering blow is by far our best skill, and punch blade is usually #2. I would definately get lingering blow/punch blade and bow skills first. Anathema doesn't change at all to adept3, granted it is a level 50 skill. Would you mind re-posting (or someone else posting) the screenshot of Spitting Viper (Adept III)? The numbers got hidden under the window of Faltering Blast. __________________ _______________________________________ Virulence, the best Kerra-Assassin-Woodworker on the Freeport side of the Mistmoore server!

05-06-2005, 08:49 PM	#1
Hawty Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	Hello there, Just wondering what the masses go for when making their first adept 3 in tier 5. I was leaning toward punch blade, but then I saw an adept 3 on the boards and it didn't look too much better when compared to the adept 1. Wondering if it would be worth making anethema adept 3 instead. thanks for your wisdom,

05-06-2005, 11:13 PM	#2
Putka Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 315	Well I'm sure you've pretty much decided what to get for yourself anyway and wont care too much about anyone's advice (that usually seems to be the case anyway) but I'd start with all 3 bow attacks, then MoN and PB. Exactly which art to upgrade first hardly matters in the long run, none of them alone will make you considerably more powerful or anything..

05-06-2005, 11:53 PM	#3
Kizee Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,093	I would like to know what ones to upgrade also.. I have 5 inks sitting in the bank but I am undecided on what to get or save them for. :p You are the second person that said to upgrade the bow CA's. Is there that much of a differance from adept1 to adept3? I know there are a few CA's that you get minimal increases upgrading them.

05-07-2005, 03:20 AM	#4
Hawty Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	Thanks putka, I was also thinking about upgrading spitting viper as well. You do have a point. In the long run none of it matters, but then again I might not get all the rares I need. So I was going for a biggest bang for the buck sort of deal in case I don't harvest all the rares needed.

05-12-2005, 01:06 AM	#6
DearthofWeal Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 36	I've already got the adept3 of Punch Blade and Mask of Night. Didn't look at any damage comparisons because they were bugged at the time : Anyway, would the investment in Assassinate be worth such a rare? (I have 2 more of them and am hoping assassinate's re-use timer will be re-worked). Faltering Blast is assuredly going to be one as it's incredibly useful on kites with it's chance to dual-proc. Spitting Viper? Should I upgrade this even though I do most of my time solo-kiting named mobs and always open up with AD3 BT/CB + Slow? In a long kite I can get 1, maybe 2 Spitting Vipers in (root and go around). Worth it? And Yes, I do kite for a fee if you want free exp while you are AFK for an extended period of time. LvL 44+ toons on Crushbone.

05-12-2005, 02:04 AM	#8
khalysta Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	I would probably do punchblade first. It's a big attack and on a 10 second timer so its well worth it as is mask of night. Lingering blow and infected wound are also some core melee range abilities that you might want to upgrade first as well.

05-17-2005, 11:30 PM	#9
dparker7 General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 204	I'd go Mask of Night first probably and then I'd focus on melee damage CAs, not piercing. So, Infected Wound, Seeping Wound and Spitting Viper would be out. I also wouldnt upgrade Garrote pr Paralyzing Strike, pretty much ever. I think any of the other nonbuff CAs could be worth it. These are all based upon heavy raid though -- you really need to determine what you'll mostly be doing to determine the best upgrades for you.

05-17-2005, 11:46 PM	#10
Vuron Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 57	Does anybody have data on the difference between Adept I and Adept III of Merciless Villainy? I'd be interested to see if there is a decent jump in the attack speed or agility buff numbers.

05-19-2005, 10:50 AM	#11
thebigtime Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 56	****These are the only really worthwhile ones, lingering blow is by far our best skill, and punch blade is usually #2. I would definately get lingering blow/punch blade and bow skills first. Anathema doesn't change at all to adept3, granted it is a level 50 skill.

05-21-2005, 03:15 AM	#14
Lo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 102	No, i have it and it's a 1 H recast .

05-25-2005, 12:14 AM	#15
Hawty Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	wow thanks for those screenshots. It would be awsome if we could sticky a thread with screenshots at the top or something. Again, thank you!