Figured it out!!!

[Shidonya]

EoF doesn't stand for Echoes of Faydwer it stands for .....

 

END OF FUN!

 

Soloability - Shot

AR - Shot

Class AA's - Crap

AR Agro gone for a tanking brig - Crap

 

Decided to just send the Brig on vacation for a bit not fun anymore, my bruiser isn't much better but I like his new AA line enough to continue playing him some. He'll return when SoE gets a clue and fixes us, otherwise he's AFK unless some McCabe stuff falls while playing my Bruiser.

 

[Goonch]

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Shidonya wrote:

EoF doesn't stand for Echoes of Faydwer it stands for .....

 

END OF FUN!

 

Soloability - Shot

How so?  I still solo fine sans caster mobs with big dots of course... could prob do those if i wasnt so lazy about carrying around potions...

 

AR - Shot

Won't disagree there.

 

Class AA's - Crap

I disagree here as well.  Though we didn't get a reliable way to avoid aes like swashies and assassins, I still think the tenure line is great for debuffs and raid dps. 

 

AR Agro gone for a tanking brig - Crap

I hate tanking brigands.  Its dumb and I don't care if any out there take offense to it.  If you want to tank play a tank class.  Sure I have tanked and can tank all the KOS and EOF heroic instances.. sans nizara... though I might try with the fireclaw nerf heh.  I've tanked those things once or twice pr for quests just so I could say I did.   Other than that it would be pointless for me to tank since my dps / debuffing ability a lot easier when not tanking.

 

Decided to just send the Brig on vacation for a bit not fun anymore, my bruiser isn't much better but I like his new AA line enough to continue playing him some. He'll return when SoE gets a clue and fixes us, otherwise he's AFK unless some McCabe stuff falls while playing my Bruiser.

 

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Message Edited by Goonch on 12-05-2006 10:17 AM

[Shidonya]

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Goonch wrote:

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Shidonya wrote:

EoF doesn't stand for Echoes of Faydwer it stands for .....

 

END OF FUN!

 

Soloability - Shot

How so?  I still solo fine sans caster mobs with big dots of course... could prob do those if i wasnt so lazy about carrying around potions...

 

Though "shot" may have been strong choice of wording, when I cannot contend with some blue ^^^ for quests when I could handle yellow ^^^ before then yes soloing got hammered, and then even when you are successful you have to wait 30 seconds to regen for next heroic. I don't have the time anymore to raid as I did back in t6 and I am in a guild with only 9 people left (vanguard beta casualty). Since I don't raid another guild is out of the question and thus I solo alot leaving very few heroic quests completable solo. And heaven forbid mob be a named with ^^^^'s then you really don't have a chance.

 

AR - Shot

Won't disagree there.

 

Class AA's - Crap

I disagree here as well.  Though we didn't get a reliable way to avoid aes like swashies and assassins, I still think the tenure line is great for debuffs and raid dps. 

 

Yes fine if you raid but again I can't and don't so basically I'm left with the wonderful poison line I suppose. Debuffs are ok but in single group or solo enviroment not so glorious I'm afraid.

 

AR Agro gone for a tanking brig - Crap

I hate tanking brigands.  Its dumb and I don't care if any out there take offense to it.  If you want to tank play a tank class.  Sure I have tanked and can tank all the KOS and EOF heroic instances.. sans nizara... though I might try with the fireclaw nerf heh.  I've tanked those things once or twice pr for quests just so I could say I did.   Other than that it would be pointless for me to tank since my dps / debuffing ability a lot easier when not tanking.

 

Hate all you want but when real life alters the way you can play and you want to continue to try and enjoy the class you first loved you adjust the best you can to keep playing it. I've been a brig since day one over two years ago. I've been the "what the heck is a Brigand, sit this raid out" to the "DPS raiding Brigand" to the "Debuff raiding Brigand" to recently the "Tanking or Solo Brigand" and offically I am back to square one "what the heck is a Brigand, no raid for you". Just ask yourself if they took away your ability to raid how happy you'd be with this class. Sure if I raided AR would be my only real gripe but alas raiding is not the card fate has played me.

 

Don't think for a second I wouldn't like to go back to the wailing two handed rogue I loved but even when I group, the guildies prefer me to tank over the pally and zerker left in the guild. Why? because we can be better tanks than them or did unitl lu29.

 

Decided to just send the Brig on vacation for a bit not fun anymore, my bruiser isn't much better but I like his new AA line enough to continue playing him some. He'll return when SoE gets a clue and fixes us, otherwise he's AFK unless some McCabe stuff falls while playing my Bruiser.

 

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[Ni7r0kill32]

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Shidonya wrote:

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Goonch wrote:

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Shidonya wrote:

EoF doesn't stand for Echoes of Faydwer it stands for .....

 

END OF FUN!

 

Soloability - Shot

How so?  I still solo fine sans caster mobs with big dots of course... could prob do those if i wasnt so lazy about carrying around potions...

 

Though "shot" may have been strong choice of wording, when I cannot contend with some blue ^^^ for quests when I could handle yellow ^^^ before then yes soloing got hammered, and then even when you are successful you have to wait 30 seconds to regen for next heroic. I don't have the time anymore to raid as I did back in t6 and I am in a guild with only 9 people left (vanguard beta casualty). Since I don't raid another guild is out of the question and thus I solo alot leaving very few heroic quests completable solo. And heaven forbid mob be a named with ^^^^'s then you really don't have a chance.Pretty much I can solo anything i could solo before, so no, we didn't get nerfed just takes more effort now

 

AR - Shot

Won't disagree there.

 ya... thats bs

Class AA's - Crap

I disagree here as well.  Though we didn't get a reliable way to avoid aes like swashies and assassins, I still think the tenure line is great for debuffs and raid dps. 

 

Yes fine if you raid but again I can't and don't so basically I'm left with the wonderful poison line I suppose. Debuffs are ok but in single group or solo enviroment not so glorious I'm afraid.So extending all of your ca's dubuffs and dots do not help you at all?Right thats what i thought

 

AR Agro gone for a tanking brig - Crap

I hate tanking brigands.  Its dumb and I don't care if any out there take offense to it.  If you want to tank play a tank class.  Sure I have tanked and can tank all the KOS and EOF heroic instances.. sans nizara... though I might try with the fireclaw nerf heh.  I've tanked those things once or twice pr for quests just so I could say I did.   Other than that it would be pointless for me to tank since my dps / debuffing ability a lot easier when not tanking.

 

Hate all you want but when real life alters the way you can play and you want to continue to try and enjoy the class you first loved you adjust the best you can to keep playing it. I've been a brig since day one over two years ago. I've been the "what the heck is a Brigand, sit this raid out" to the "DPS raiding Brigand" to the "Debuff raiding Brigand" to recently the "Tanking or Solo Brigand" and offically I am back to square one "what the heck is a Brigand, no raid for you". Just ask yourself if they took away your ability to raid how happy you'd be with this class. Sure if I raided AR would be my only real gripe but alas raiding is not the card fate has played me.

 

Don't think for a second I wouldn't like to go back to the wailing two handed rogue I loved but even when I group, the guildies prefer me to tank over the pally and zerker left in the guild. Why? because we can be better tanks than them or did unitl lu29.OMG, i can't cant tank a epic..... o no, you can tank everything else, don't say you can't becuase i have tanked Mistmoore castle and it was fine. So ya, stop whining

 

Decided to just send the Brig on vacation for a bit not fun anymore, my bruiser isn't much better but I like his new AA line enough to continue playing him some. He'll return when SoE gets a clue and fixes us, otherwise he's AFK unless some McCabe stuff falls while playing my Bruiser.

 

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[Crimson Dragon]

if you're a tanking brigand why aren't you going with the defending line?i'm not a tank, but i consider it a part of my role in groups / raids to keep others alive. it's one of the more subtle roles for a brigand, but that doesn't mean we can't take part in it.... i'm gonna get honor among thieves, and i love using beg for mercy, especially now that it won't break my reflexes.if the tank goes down in a group, i'm tossing my defensive stance up and stunning and taunting for all i'm worth....maybe i'm the only one that plays that way. :smileytongue:

Message Edited by Crimson Dragon on 12-05-2006 11:04 AM

[mikemcmodmi]

o.O pretty colors.  Is it just me, or does everyone else completely ignore color coded responses imbedded in quotes?  [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it's annoying.

[Shiverr]

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mikemcmodmike wrote:

o.O pretty colors.  Is it just me, or does everyone else completely ignore color coded responses imbedded in quotes?  [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it's annoying.

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Well, yes.  Once you get past the first response into 3 or more colors... its all downhill from there. :smileyindifferent:

 

[Shidonya]

Amazing what people come up with after reading a thread. Ok all the colors was giving me a headache so cleaned it up, was funny until I tried to go back and checked it heh.

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Shidonya wrote:

Pretty much I can solo anything i could solo before, so no, we didn't get nerfed just takes more effort now

 

Pretty much (almost) and more effort (time consumption) both equal less effectiveness and both eqaul nerf. Granted soloing was a nerf class wide and I meant not for it to be singled out on us, just that soloing isn't worth it anymore. When my level 68 bruiser can solo ^^^^ that my level 70 brigand can't solo then there is some kind of issue.

 

 

 ya... thats bs

 

And this was the least of my concerns.

 

So extending all of your ca's dubuffs and dots do not help you at all?Right thats what i thought

 

I said debuffs were ok not that they didn't help me at all but again it is nothing new to the class and only there to get us somewhere near where we were pre End of Fun. I guess I'm suppose to be happy I paid $35 for a product that didn't give me anything new in return just rehashed ability crap to make up for our new inequities brought on by the product paid for. 

 

OMG, i can't cant tank a epic..... o no, you can tank everything else, don't say you can't becuase i have tanked Mistmoore castle and it was fine. So ya, stop whining

I said I couldn't tank everything? WOW I must really be talented to say that without typing it. No where did I say I couldn't tank for a group in fact I said I was prefered over a zerker and pally.

 

My point on this piece was the lose of hate on AR as a tank brig was crap. Yes I still can hold agro most the time only now I'm having to BM my warlock more often. Never did I say this point was the end all just one more piece thrown on the pile of crap. Nizara/Mistmoore and zones as the such are no problem to tank, so I fail to see where you got that I was whining that I couldn't tank.

 

The reason for the green response was to inform Goonch on why I play a tank brig now, not that it is what I like to do but basically the only way to continue playing him regularly without raiding, only because he assumed it is what I wanted to do. So the statement in green wasn't even something geared toward original thread.

 

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Message Edited by Shidonya on 12-05-2006 12:00 PM

[Shidonya]

Back on subject, First I wanted to get my catchy acronym out for EoF. Second tanking for groups wasn't the issue hate loss on AR agrovated me that was all and it was bottom of list.

 

Mitigation changes is what has agrovated me the most I know that many have said they can solo as well as before but I'm not seeing it. It could be that being sta AA'd I don't kill mobs fast enough with chain stunning as a dps AA brig can, I don't know but the difference soloing is noticeable.

 

And based on my bruiser being geared to be more of a dpser and he having less problems soloing same mobs maybe that's it. Maybe the key isn't survivability but speed of kill I don't know.

 

[Ni7r0kill32]

    Being a heavy raider, i was affected more then you ever be by the changes to the brigand class. So stop whinning, also the hate that you gained from AR was not that big of a deal, yes it helped you tank but does not stop you from tanking, Last night i tanked the instance for the cloak quest and i had agro 98 percent of the time or more, that was with an assasin, neco, conj,brigand and a warden in the group. Also the mitigation changes yes they suck but there is no reason that a brigand should have even close to the amount of a mitigation of a zerker or gaurdian. Before EoF my brig could get 4k mit self buffed. Only 1k less then some really well geared tanks. So ya, we got nerfed i expected that. Yes you said you were prefeared over a zerker or a pally, if that is the case then those 2 sucked [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].... i mean sucked [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. There is not one tank that i would rather tank over in my guild on my brigand, why becuase they have more utility for tanking and also if they know how to hold aggro they will never/rarely loose it and if dps knows how to control aggro they won't pull. Bottom line no one should ever play a scout to tank.         Also they made it harder to solo for all classes, I am not sure if you played yoru bruiser before xpac but they could solo more then us before the expansion to seeing they get Stone def, mez, fear, heal , stun and FD when [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] goes south, we get band of thugs to drop aggro to and stuns. So they could allways solo more then us, just now it is more evident, however in no way did the nerf us so we can no longer solo anything. Like i said it just takes more effort or longer.Also keep in mind that some of the things you could solo before were not hit correctly with the Nerf bat so others can't solo them anymore either. So really i fail to see where you post makes any sense.         Once again the AA's are geared fine, you should of seen them in beta, those sucked. The longer duration for every spell helps you becuase A) you dots will tick more B) you debuffs will go longer. Also you forget that you have the ability to decrease the reuse timer on some of you spells that help alot during soloing. Alogn with the ability to extend the stun that is 2 seconds to alot longer (i think 4). Also decrease the time it takes to go stealth thus allowing you to use you sneak attack quicker. ALONG with the ability for you hemotoxin posion to heal you more. So in no other real way then AR being nerfed did we really get nerfed to where we can not do things that we could do in KoS.

        As for you saying that you couldn't tank, you complained about it when you said AR hate being nerfed = crap. So that is implying that for some reason the small amount of hate that you did get from it while you were tanking made a significant difference. Unless you use like Adept 1 and in that case please never post again becuase then you pull aggro off other tanks becuase you want to tank.

Message Edited by Ni7r0kill32 on 12-05-2006 01:39 PM (Formating)

Message Edited by Ni7r0kill32 on 12-05-2006 01:40 PM

[Shidonya]

Never was this a whine about tanking for a group, it has amazed me that AR hate in my original post has gotten the most attention, hell I wouldn't even have posted it if I had know how many panties were gonna get waded. But understand this AR has no use period if you tank without the hate gain. I was saying it aggrovated me, the real problem to me was blue heroic quests requiring ^^^s that are too frustrating to solo now, even con and higher I would expect but if the quests are below me it shouldn't be that tough.

Yes I agree I should never have to tank over those plate classes but the healer can't keep them up like they can me when we group. I am not in disagreement but what do you do when the group demands it and literally I could hold agro 10 times better on solo encounters and a least twice as good on group then them. No I don't like to tank, it makes many positional abilities unavailable which is aggrovating, basically I get to use them once after WtP and root then they're done until next encounter. The one thing prior to EoF that was still fun was soloing which has basically took a turn to the worse now, with that not being fun there really isn't anything fun about the brigand anymore that is what my complaint really was. I understand as a raiding brigand it would still be fun but I simply can't raid anymore, not SoE's fault but there are different types of players out there in EQ2 and they've made it less fun for who can't raid and resort to soloing. Would I have more fun grouping as an actual scout yes but evidentally zerkers need some work actually mitigating and avoiding and less on dpsing.

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Ni7r0kill32 wrote:

  
So really i fail to see where you post makes any sense.
Ok the post was suppose to be semi-funny with a touch of disgust. Touch of disgust were listed as things that have changed for worse in my opinion. AR hate loss was listed because it is just another way they had removed a useful ability from it, another words AR was double nerfed. As you stated AR hate isn't enough to be a problem but was at least useable if you were needed to tank that is all I was saying. It had nothing to do with our abilities to do anything only that AR was destroyed for all types of brigands as AoE immunity is worthless if you tank.

    
    Once again the AA's are geared fine, you should of seen them in beta, those sucked. The longer duration for every spell helps you becuase A) you dots will tick more B) you debuffs will go longer. Also you forget that you have the ability to decrease the reuse timer on some of you spells that help alot during soloing. Alogn with the ability to extend the stun that is 2 seconds to alot longer (i think 4). Also decrease the time it takes to go stealth thus allowing you to use you sneak attack quicker. ALONG with the ability for you hemotoxin posion to heal you more. So in no other real way then AR being nerfed did we really get nerfed to where we can not do things that we could do in KoS.
My problem with AA's is this, we were made to be less effective with EoF then given AA's to be just as effective as we once already was especially like AR for instance. Yes AA's are useful but honestly there isn't anything new at least with KoS AA's you could alter your toon for different playing styles, though the tank setup isn't the funnest choice it was a choice that totally altered a brigand to be more unique than other brigands just as a fiencing one added variety. EoF AA's aren't allowing that kind of value instead it is basically just like our abilities when we leveled. But instead of replacing Debilitate with Devitalize at level 70 we can get our versions a little better without leveling. Its the same crap without leveling. I'm only getting a better version of the same crap I already had. After all the AA's used will I be back to where I was or better yes probably but what's new about that? The only time leveling was fun was when you got something new otherwise to level and get a better version of what you had always was disappointing.

   
    As for you saying that you couldn't tank, you complained about it when you said AR hate being nerfed = crap. So that is implying that for some reason the small amount of hate that you did get from it while you were tanking made a significant difference. Unless you use like Adept 1 and in that case please never post again becuase then you pull aggro off other tanks becuase you want to tank.

All I was saying there was as stated above it was another way to make an ability useless to all types of brigands just an aggrovation that was all. The post I made wasn't even about tanking but changes to abilities that others hadn't seen because they didn't use them for that purpose. You probably removed AR from your hotbar cause it is useless against AoE I removed it cause it is useless for tanking. That is all.

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[rimalz2747]

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Shidonya wrote:

Back on subject, First I wanted to get my catchy acronym out for EoF. Second tanking for groups wasn't the issue hate loss on AR agrovated me that was all and it was bottom of list.

 

Mitigation changes is what has agrovated me the most I know that many have said they can solo as well as before but I'm not seeing it. It could be that being sta AA'd I don't kill mobs fast enough with chain stunning as a dps AA brig can, I don't know but the difference soloing is noticeable.

 

And based on my bruiser being geared to be more of a dpser and he having less problems soloing same mobs maybe that's it. Maybe the key isn't survivability but speed of kill I don't know.

 

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I think I found your prob bro, you tank with your scout and dps with your fighter.

[DarkMirrax]

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rimalz2747 wrote:

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Shidonya wrote:

Back on subject, First I wanted to get my catchy acronym out for EoF. Second tanking for groups wasn't the issue hate loss on AR agrovated me that was all and it was bottom of list.

 

Mitigation changes is what has agrovated me the most I know that many have said they can solo as well as before but I'm not seeing it. It could be that being sta AA'd I don't kill mobs fast enough with chain stunning as a dps AA brig can, I don't know but the difference soloing is noticeable.

 

And based on my bruiser being geared to be more of a dpser and he having less problems soloing same mobs maybe that's it. Maybe the key isn't survivability but speed of kill I don't know.

 

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I think I found your prob bro, you tank with your scout and dps with your fighter.

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[Swigmonkey01]

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Goonch wrote:

I hate tanking brigands.  Its dumb and I don't care if any out there take offense to it.  If you want to tank play a tank class.  Sure I have tanked and can tank all the KOS and EOF heroic instances.. sans nizara... though I might try with the fireclaw nerf heh.  I've tanked those things once or twice pr for quests just so I could say I did.   Other than that it would be pointless for me to tank since my dps / debuffing ability a lot easier when not tanking.

 

Message Edited by Goonch on 12-05-2006 10:17 AM

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Those two highlighted comments shouldn't be in the same reply.  I think you just answered why a lot of brigands tank, because whats better than looking at the full potential of our class?  They took away an ability that was  great, and its side effect that helped us tank slightly better.

[Rahatmattata]

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Crimson Dragon wrote:

if the tank goes down in a group, i'm tossing my defensive stance up and stunning and taunting for all i'm worth.
...maybe i'm the only one that plays that way. :smileytongue:

Message Edited by Crimson Dragon on 12-05-2006 11:04 AM

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If the tank goes down, I evac :smileyvery-happy:

[Goonch]

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Goonch wrote:

I hate tanking brigands.  Its dumb and I don't care if any out there take offense to it.  If you want to tank play a tank class.  Sure I have tanked and can tank all the KOS and EOF heroic instances.. sans nizara... though I might try with the fireclaw nerf heh.  I've tanked those things once or twice pr for quests just so I could say I did.   Other than that it would be pointless for me to tank since my dps / debuffing ability a lot easier when not tanking.

 

Message Edited by Goonch on 12-05-2006 10:17 AM

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Those two highlighted comments shouldn't be in the same reply.  I think you just answered why a lot of brigands tank, because whats better than looking at the full potential of our class?  They took away an ability that was  great, and its side effect that helped us tank slightly better.

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Like I said (in the part you didnt highlight)  they were for quests, or because tank had to bolt or LDd and I wanted to finish the zone, or the pick up tank a group picked up was subpar and getting pwnd.  I'd rather not tank than tank, hence I played a scout class.  Can I tank that stuff, yeah sure but if I wanted to play a tank I'd roll one.   

Message Edited by Goonch on 12-11-2006 09:40 AM

[Shidonya]

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rimalz2747 wrote:

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Shidonya wrote:

Back on subject, First I wanted to get my catchy acronym out for EoF. Second tanking for groups wasn't the issue hate loss on AR agrovated me that was all and it was bottom of list.

 

Mitigation changes is what has agrovated me the most I know that many have said they can solo as well as before but I'm not seeing it. It could be that being sta AA'd I don't kill mobs fast enough with chain stunning as a dps AA brig can, I don't know but the difference soloing is noticeable.

 

And based on my bruiser being geared to be more of a dpser and he having less problems soloing same mobs maybe that's it. Maybe the key isn't survivability but speed of kill I don't know.

 

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I think I found your prob bro, you tank with your scout and dps with your fighter.

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Heh true so true, but actually I made the bruiser to solo. Basically any class would do for grouping or raiding but most of my time I'm on when no one else is so I have to solo (avoid pickups like the plague). Soloing was the greatest disapointment to me in EoF and why I made the original post. I heard many a rumor about mitigation changes in the works for EoF so I started my bruiser in anticipation of changes. I'd like to solo with my brig instead but now soloing is not too appealing. I did a heroic quest the other day that I couldn't solo a stinking ^^^ blue con named and that really hacked me off when I know I could have done it easily pre EoF. 

[Jida]

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Shidonya wrote:

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rimalz2747 wrote:

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Shidonya wrote:

Back on subject, First I wanted to get my catchy acronym out for EoF. Second tanking for groups wasn't the issue hate loss on AR agrovated me that was all and it was bottom of list.

 

Mitigation changes is what has agrovated me the most I know that many have said they can solo as well as before but I'm not seeing it. It could be that being sta AA'd I don't kill mobs fast enough with chain stunning as a dps AA brig can, I don't know but the difference soloing is noticeable.

 

And based on my bruiser being geared to be more of a dpser and he having less problems soloing same mobs maybe that's it. Maybe the key isn't survivability but speed of kill I don't know.

 

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I think I found your prob bro, you tank with your scout and dps with your fighter.

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Heh true so true, but actually I made the bruiser to solo. Basically any class would do for grouping or raiding but most of my time I'm on when no one else is so I have to solo (avoid pickups like the plague). Soloing was the greatest disapointment to me in EoF and why I made the original post. I heard many a rumor about mitigation changes in the works for EoF so I started my bruiser in anticipation of changes. I'd like to solo with my brig instead but now soloing is not too appealing. I did a heroic quest the other day that I couldn't solo a stinking ^^^ blue con named and that really hacked me off when I know I could have done it easily pre EoF. 

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I've soloed the White conned named warewolf (heroic ^^^) that roams. ( i forgot his name ).. 1/4 times though.. but its possible with the right potions / poisons and a touch of luck...

[Kegofbud]

I think that your changes in RL have nerfed your abiltiy to play the character the way you'd like, more then SOE did to it in EoF. The changes and AA (minus AR's messed up change) are fine. The AAs aren't bad at all and Tenure is awesome.

[ag]

Tenure was great at 20%. At 15% it's... At least there's the slim chance that because it was reduced already, it won't get reduced again. Slim chance is better than no chance, I guess?

[Dalwhinnie]

I dont think it's just us as a class.  Everyone I know has expressed the fact that having all your gear and skills trivialized by the new systems and encounters as "not fun".  When you are trying to gear up and MIS yields 2 rot rapiers and 2 rot axes people aren't happy about the expansion in general.   $40 for EoF or  $40 for 1.5L of Crown Royal...which one is more fun.

[Jida]

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Dalwhinnie wrote:

 $40 for EoF or  $40 for 1.5L of Crown Royal...which one is more fun.

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I'll take EOF for 40 alex.

[ag]

Yeah, the whole "pay money to be nerfed" theme has really ticked off alot of my guildmates.Many are now "keeping their options open", with respect to other titles in the genre, specifically because they are less powerful now than they were before EoF. Can't say as I disagree with it entirely, myself. I don't know the logic behind not raising the level cap, but I'd love to hear it. It's a formula that has worked for what.. 7 years for EQ1? If you release an expansion, you raise the level cap. Customers have grown to expect it. It's remarkable to me that during Beta of EQ2, there was so much talk from SOE about EQ2 being scalable up to level 200 without any problem whatsoever, due to it being designed that way from the ground up.Except... that's totally not the case. LU13 and EoF both introduced massive changes to the fundamental mechanics and "scaling" and I doubt very much any of the original formulas still apply. Which will make me very skeptical of future claims made by any game in the genre.