Knights of Truth/Valor

Hagran · 09-28-2006, 09:10 PM

Hail and well metI have been following Everquest 2 now for a while, since i played Everquest in my younger days i was a little less aware of lore back then... now am what some may call a lore nut... hehe.. anyway i know there is a lack of the Knights of Truth but i also know that recently a new order has shown itself. is there any information on these people.. also i heard that there is a Marr order in the Bloodline thing? Also while am on it, i have "The maps of Myrist" book from EQ, i loved that book and wondered if you would still consider much found in there as relevant lore??((Get used to me being around, think am coming over to EQ2 permanent SMILEY

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Jindrack · 09-28-2006, 09:16 PM

The prophet of Mithaniel Marr, Bayden Cauldthorn, may know a little about what happened to the Knights of Truth that were once in Freeport. He can currently be found in the Commonlands near the Graveyard entrance.

RaphaNissi · 09-28-2006, 09:20 PM

There are also quite a few tidbits here and there on these boards. If you want some official words then put your keywords in and put in Jindrack, Ilucide, or Vhalen in for the author. I know there are several threads talking about the Knights and Priests of Marr as well as their combined Order of Marr. All the threads will probably keep you busy for a while. Oh, and welcome to EQ2. It's always ncie to see some new faces..err names around here. :smileywink:

Cusashorn · 09-28-2006, 10:23 PM

Aye, go speak with Bayden Cauldthorn outside of the Graveyard of Freeport in the Commonlands zone. You need to be a Qeynosian to speak with him though. You'll enjoy the quest he'll give you as well.

Hagran · 09-29-2006, 12:02 AM

So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find ..

So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think?

Kindayr · 09-29-2006, 12:47 AM

Wasn't that a prototype for freeport?

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Vyrance · 09-29-2006, 02:23 AM

i believe it was simply called Fortress of Marr

Cusashorn · 09-29-2006, 02:41 AM

It was one of the first prototype designs, For all intents and purposes, to test out NPC interaction and stuff like that in a city or enclosed dungeon type environment. It was a horrible failure anyway, but they didn't intend to put it into the game anyway if I remember right.

Mary the Prophetess · 09-29-2006, 03:16 AM

The various incarnations and locations associated with the followers of the Divine Twins has alway been my favorite topic of Norrathian lore in all it's various forms.

Type in keywords associated with people and places into the search engine on this board and you will get enough reading to keep you busy for a couple of months.

1. Knights of Truth

2. Order of Marr's Fist

3. Order of Marr

4. Plane of Valor

5. Halls of Honor

6. Befallen

7. Castle of Val 'Marr

8. Ardathium

9. Sister's Isle

10. Bone Bladed Claymore

11. Gynok Moltor

12. Oppala

There are probably a dozen more names, titles or places, but these 12 are a good spring board.

Good luck

Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on 09-28-2006 05:30 PM

Cowdenic · 09-29-2006, 03:22 AM

Hagran wrote:
So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find ..

So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think?

That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out.

DreamerClou · 09-29-2006, 07:03 AM

Cowdenicus wrote:

Hagran wrote:
So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find ..

So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think?

That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out.

It kind of reminds me of DeathFist Citadel for some reason.

IrishWonder · 09-29-2006, 12:05 PM

Cowdenicus wrote:
That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out.

That's not it :smileywink:

I always thought it looked like the Deathfist Citadel from the VERY early movies Sony released showcasing some gameplay from EQ2. There was the Deathfist Citadel movie where the party fought on the bridge over the moat, the Obelisk of Lost Souls where the party fought the Nightbloods in the gothic hallway, and the movie where the party fought Venekor.

I do, however, remember that picture being associated with Marr, or the Order of Marr, somewhere...

Message Edited by IrishWonder on 09-29-2006 03:05 AM

scottc14 · 09-29-2006, 01:01 PM

you are all wrong, it is clearly some place in EQ Live that got updated to the new graphics. you can tell cus the moon is in one nice big cookie shape, not an exploded shape.

hehe this of coures is just me jokeing around.

Mirander_1 · 09-29-2006, 09:04 PM

scottc1425 wrote:

you are all wrong, it is clearly some place in EQ Live that got updated to the new graphics. you can tell cus the moon is in one nice big cookie shape, not an exploded shape.

hehe this of coures is just me jokeing around.

Heheh... that's because that's Drinal, not Luclin. Luclin blew up, but Drinal is completely normal

Vhalen · 09-29-2006, 09:42 PM

What you are looking at is Lionheart Castle, part of the hidden city of Marr. The village rests beyond the bridge to the right. In an early version of the game the Knights of Truth, Priests of Marr and other benevolent residents from North Freeport migrated to this village after the Freeport Militia drove them out of Freeport.

The guardians of Lionheart Castle are an order that can be seen in North Freeport since the Age of Turmoil. These guardians are called the Sentries of Erollisi. They wear ornate silver armor with a shiny silver helm. The helm's visor is shaped in the guise of Erollisi Marr. These guards don vibrant blue capes with cowls. They are highly skilled with crossbows and always have one slung on their back. Their primary weapon is a blessed ornate war hammer of fine design. Sentries also have long hair regardless of gender. A Sentry is bound to protect the Priests of Marr and any sacred ground of the Order of Marr. These elite knights are very alluring, but pure of heart.

The village of Marr may not appear in game, but its original design document had many elements that have made it into EQ2 lore. Many of these secrets will be revealed in time. The village itself does not exist as designed, but there is a hidden fortress that represents this original design. So, this image does exist on Norrath, in lore.

Hagran · 09-29-2006, 09:51 PM

*kneels before Vhalen* By Marr's Valor and Honor i shall serve you always!!That was awesome!!Lionheart Castle.. nice name too.. shame it was scrapped, but its good to know something like it will come up at some point!

Mary the Prophetess · 09-29-2006, 10:00 PM

This is great stuff! Keep feeding my habit.

My word, yet another sect devoted to the Marr Twins!

So, correct me if I am wrong, the Sentinels of Erollisi are the armed temple guards associated with the Priests of Marr from North Freeport.

This order of temple guards existed as a sub-order, or an allied order, of the Priests of Marr during the period of EQ Live.

Sometime after the Age of Turmoil, they fled Freeport with certain other members of the Priests of Marr, the Knights of Truth, and some ordinarly citizens of Freeport to establish this, (thus far), hidden outpost.

I am curious to know if these refugees from Freeport are the same as the new combined Order of Marr that has re-established themselves in the Qeynos area, and if not what their association with the (new) Order of Marr might be.

I am a bit confused as to the hierarchy here.

It was my understanding that the older, (separate but allied), orders of the Priests of Marr, and the Knights of Truth were combined into a new order merely called the Order of Marr, after their suppression and expulsion from Freeport by the Overlord.

Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on 09-29-2006 12:07 PM

arieste · 09-29-2006, 11:08 PM

I noticed in the designed post "skilled with crossbows" which made me remember the question I've had for the longest time. If you look at the weapons tab on the main EQ2 website you will see quite clearly a Crossbow. What happened to x-bows?

(on a side note, it would be cool if the warrior classes used crossbows and the scouts used bows, but that's neither here nor there).

Cusashorn · 09-29-2006, 11:20 PM

There never were any crossbows in Everquest other than the CLASS NONE RACE NONE crossbows that thurgadin guards used in Velious.

Eono · 09-29-2006, 11:36 PM

Reading that makes me wish even more I could use one as a Pally :smileysurprised:

wakkogooch · 09-29-2006, 11:37 PM

DreamerCloud9 wrote:

Cowdenicus wrote:

Hagran wrote:
So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find ..

So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think?

That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out.

It kind of reminds me of DeathFist Citadel for some reason.

yeah, i think it does look like DFC, even has the sewer entrance at the base right where it is on the citedal, but based on how it's situated now, looks like this castle was buried and the orc miners found it and dug it up, hence the dirt around the sides and it being in the middle of what looks like a dug up hole, wonder if in the age of turmoil the castle was buried, to protect it, but was unfortunately found by the orcs, while they were digging in the area

Ama · 09-30-2006, 01:34 AM

Vhalen wrote:

What you are looking at is Lionheart Castle, part of the hidden city of Marr. The village rests beyond the bridge to the right. In an early version of the game the Knights of Truth, Priests of Marr and other benevolent residents from North Freeport migrated to this village after the Freeport Militia drove them out of Freeport.

The guardians of Lionheart Castle are an order that can be seen in North Freeport since the Age of Turmoil. These guardians are called the Sentries of Erollisi. They wear ornate silver armor with a shiny silver helm. The helm's visor is shaped in the guise of Erollisi Marr. These guards don vibrant blue capes with cowls. They are highly skilled with crossbows and always have one slung on their back. Their primary weapon is a blessed ornate war hammer of fine design. Sentries also have long hair regardless of gender. A Sentry is bound to protect the Priests of Marr and any sacred ground of the Order of Marr. These elite knights are very alluring, but pure of heart.

The village of Marr may not appear in game, but its original design document had many elements that have made it into EQ2 lore. Many of these secrets will be revealed in time. The village itself does not exist as designed, but there is a hidden fortress that represents this original design. So, this image does exist on Norrath, in lore.

Strange, in EQOA after completing your "epic weapon quest" for a pally you could recieve a 2h war hammer weapon with a glowing head. Here's a picture of what the hammer looked like.

arieste · 09-30-2006, 02:08 AM

i never said there were any in the game, i said there were some on the website, here: http://everquest2.station.sony.com/en/main.vm#equipmentRangedWeapons

DreamerClou · 09-30-2006, 06:17 AM

wakkogooch wrote:

DreamerCloud9 wrote:

Cowdenicus wrote:

Hagran wrote:
So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find ..

So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think?

That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out.

It kind of reminds me of DeathFist Citadel for some reason.

yeah, i think it does look like DFC, even has the sewer entrance at the base right where it is on the citedal, but based on how it's situated now, looks like this castle was buried and the orc miners found it and dug it up, hence the dirt around the sides and it being in the middle of what looks like a dug up hole, wonder if in the age of turmoil the castle was buried, to protect it, but was unfortunately found by the orcs, while they were digging in the area

yep, Vhalen did say that this building's design is on Norrath - though its not actually called Lionheart Castle. The devs must have used these design plans for Deathfist Citadel instead.

Zeroimagination · 09-30-2006, 08:01 AM

Vhalen wrote:

... They are highly skilled with crossbows and always have one slung on their back. ...

I want a crossbow!!! Where dem at?!

Jaale · 09-30-2006, 05:11 PM

DreamerCloud9 wrote:

wakkogooch wrote:

DreamerCloud9 wrote:

Cowdenicus wrote:

Hagran wrote:
So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find ..

So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think?

That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out.

It kind of reminds me of DeathFist Citadel for some reason.

yeah, i think it does look like DFC, even has the sewer entrance at the base right where it is on the citedal, but based on how it's situated now, looks like this castle was buried and the orc miners found it and dug it up, hence the dirt around the sides and it being in the middle of what looks like a dug up hole, wonder if in the age of turmoil the castle was buried, to protect it, but was unfortunately found by the orcs, while they were digging in the area

yep, Vhalen did say that this building's design is on Norrath - though its not actually called Lionheart Castle. The devs must have used these design plans for Deathfist Citadel instead.

Hmm I thought it was ment more as it exsists but it is hidden in game world (not implemented just yet.) rather than used as something else, that said it is Valens cryptic wording here. That the places exsists as a place in current EQ2 time line is very cool and I hope we get to see and visit it and the village behind it soon.

Maybe it will be tied to Cauldon and the work that he is doing, after being told by his higher ups to go to Q, did he come from Lionheart Castle?

Cusashorn · 09-30-2006, 05:23 PM

I interpreted Vhalens words as "Yes, this place exists, but no, we have no intention of ever bringing it into the game because it was a failed design"

Mary the Prophetess · 09-30-2006, 06:27 PM

My take was, "Yes, this place exists. It was a prototype that we later adapted into a different place." (my guess being Deathfist Citadel)

Jaale · 09-30-2006, 07:41 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

I interpreted Vhalens words as "Yes, this place exists, but no, we have no intention of ever bringing it into the game because it was a failed design"

That would be a shame it looks good and I would like to see it and be able to walk the walls..

It does resemble DFC but there are a few changes that make me think no, the sewr grate being in teh wrong place, the walls being different, the extentions being missing.. things that might be easier to start from fresh rather than adjust what is there, without seeing another pic from one of the dev's (hint/bat's eyelashs/offers chocolate treats.) it would very very difficult to tell.

I for one would like to see it in the game though, even as a reworked area.

Hagran · 09-30-2006, 10:21 PM

I have to say i agree with Jaale on this, i think in a later day we will find that the Order of Marr and whatever the Frogloks had, will be in one single place, that is why i think (lore wise) it took a while for enough Frogloks to come out to Qeynos.I Love anything to do with the Halasian's (Barbarians) and the marr twins, i also enjoy any other lore, but i am still finding my thing out here.

09-28-2006, 09:10 PM	#1
Hagran Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 72	Hail and well metI have been following Everquest 2 now for a while, since i played Everquest in my younger days i was a little less aware of lore back then... now am what some may call a lore nut... hehe.. anyway i know there is a lack of the Knights of Truth but i also know that recently a new order has shown itself. is there any information on these people.. also i heard that there is a Marr order in the Bloodline thing? Also while am on it, i have "The maps of Myrist" book from EQ, i loved that book and wondered if you would still consider much found in there as relevant lore??((Get used to me being around, think am coming over to EQ2 permanent ))

09-28-2006, 09:16 PM	#2
Jindrack Developer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 342	The prophet of Mithaniel Marr, Bayden Cauldthorn, may know a little about what happened to the Knights of Truth that were once in Freeport. He can currently be found in the Commonlands near the Graveyard entrance. __________________ Jindrack World Shaper of the Past

09-28-2006, 09:20 PM	#3
RaphaNissi The Athenaeum Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 721	There are also quite a few tidbits here and there on these boards. If you want some official words then put your keywords in and put in Jindrack, Ilucide, or Vhalen in for the author. I know there are several threads talking about the Knights and Priests of Marr as well as their combined Order of Marr. All the threads will probably keep you busy for a while. Oh, and welcome to EQ2. It's always ncie to see some new faces..err names around here. :smileywink: __________________

09-29-2006, 12:02 AM	#5
Hagran Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 72	So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find ..So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think?

09-29-2006, 03:22 AM	#10
Cowdenic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 492	Hagran wrote: So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find .. So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think? That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out. __________________ 70 Templar Befallen, Xlrate 70 Warlock Befallen, Boom 23 Swashbuckler Befallen, Dreadmore 18 Troubador Befallen, Xenus I am a M.O.F.O. Misfits of the Forgotten Order

09-28-2006, 10:23 PM	#4
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Aye, go speak with Bayden Cauldthorn outside of the Graveyard of Freeport in the Commonlands zone. You need to be a Qeynosian to speak with him though. You'll enjoy the quest he'll give you as well.

09-29-2006, 12:47 AM	#6
Kindayr Tester Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 262	Wasn't that a prototype for freeport? __________________

09-29-2006, 02:23 AM	#7
Vyrance Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 203	i believe it was simply called Fortress of Marr

09-29-2006, 02:41 AM	#8
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	It was one of the first prototype designs, For all intents and purposes, to test out NPC interaction and stuff like that in a city or enclosed dungeon type environment. It was a horrible failure anyway, but they didn't intend to put it into the game anyway if I remember right.

09-29-2006, 03:16 AM	#9
Mary the Prophetess Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	The various incarnations and locations associated with the followers of the Divine Twins has alway been my favorite topic of Norrathian lore in all it's various forms. Type in keywords associated with people and places into the search engine on this board and you will get enough reading to keep you busy for a couple of months. 1. Knights of Truth 2. Order of Marr's Fist 3. Order of Marr 4. Plane of Valor 5. Halls of Honor 6. Befallen 7. Castle of Val 'Marr 8. Ardathium 9. Sister's Isle 10. Bone Bladed Claymore 11. Gynok Moltor 12. Oppala There are probably a dozen more names, titles or places, but these 12 are a good spring board. Good luck Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on 09-28-2006 05:30 PM

09-29-2006, 07:03 AM	#11
DreamerClou General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 387	Cowdenicus wrote: Hagran wrote: So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find .. So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think? That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out. It kind of reminds me of DeathFist Citadel for some reason. __________________ ___________________ Retired Cleric of The Spires of Innoruuk Your life is in our hands

09-29-2006, 12:05 PM	#12
IrishWonder Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Alabama, USA Posts: 458	Cowdenicus wrote: That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out. That's not it :smileywink: I always thought it looked like the Deathfist Citadel from the VERY early movies Sony released showcasing some gameplay from EQ2. There was the Deathfist Citadel movie where the party fought on the bridge over the moat, the Obelisk of Lost Souls where the party fought the Nightbloods in the gothic hallway, and the movie where the party fought Venekor. I do, however, remember that picture being associated with Marr, or the Order of Marr, somewhere... Message Edited by IrishWonder on 09-29-2006 03:05 AM __________________ The only Light you'll see from me, is that which burns the soul to see. Shadowreap Deathbane, The First Dark Elf Conjuror on Guk troopsofdoom.com - VIDEOS OF RAID MOBS!!! Nexona, Trakanon, Wuoshi, and more!

09-29-2006, 01:01 PM	#13
scottc14 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5	you are all wrong, it is clearly some place in EQ Live that got updated to the new graphics. you can tell cus the moon is in one nice big cookie shape, not an exploded shape. hehe this of coures is just me jokeing around. __________________ Landis Brodie Half Elf Monk and Slayer of Undead.

09-29-2006, 09:04 PM	#14
Mirander_1 Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,229	scottc1425 wrote: you are all wrong, it is clearly some place in EQ Live that got updated to the new graphics. you can tell cus the moon is in one nice big cookie shape, not an exploded shape. hehe this of coures is just me jokeing around. Heheh... that's because that's Drinal, not Luclin. Luclin blew up, but Drinal is completely normal __________________ Mirander 90 Wizard Unrest server

09-29-2006, 09:42 PM	#15
Vhalen Developer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 254	What you are looking at is Lionheart Castle, part of the hidden city of Marr. The village rests beyond the bridge to the right. In an early version of the game the Knights of Truth, Priests of Marr and other benevolent residents from North Freeport migrated to this village after the Freeport Militia drove them out of Freeport. The guardians of Lionheart Castle are an order that can be seen in North Freeport since the Age of Turmoil. These guardians are called the Sentries of Erollisi. They wear ornate silver armor with a shiny silver helm. The helm's visor is shaped in the guise of Erollisi Marr. These guards don vibrant blue capes with cowls. They are highly skilled with crossbows and always have one slung on their back. Their primary weapon is a blessed ornate war hammer of fine design. Sentries also have long hair regardless of gender. A Sentry is bound to protect the Priests of Marr and any sacred ground of the Order of Marr. These elite knights are very alluring, but pure of heart. The village of Marr may not appear in game, but its original design document had many elements that have made it into EQ2 lore. Many of these secrets will be revealed in time. The village itself does not exist as designed, but there is a hidden fortress that represents this original design. So, this image does exist on Norrath, in lore. __________________ ------ Tony "Sir Lucan" Garcia EQII Game Designer

09-29-2006, 09:51 PM	#16
Hagran Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 72	kneels before Vhalen By Marr's Valor and Honor i shall serve you always!!That was awesome!!Lionheart Castle.. nice name too.. shame it was scrapped, but its good to know something like it will come up at some point!

09-29-2006, 10:00 PM	#17
Mary the Prophetess Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	This is great stuff! Keep feeding my habit. My word, yet another sect devoted to the Marr Twins! So, correct me if I am wrong, the Sentinels of Erollisi are the armed temple guards associated with the Priests of Marr from North Freeport. This order of temple guards existed as a sub-order, or an allied order, of the Priests of Marr during the period of EQ Live. Sometime after the Age of Turmoil, they fled Freeport with certain other members of the Priests of Marr, the Knights of Truth, and some ordinarly citizens of Freeport to establish this, (thus far), hidden outpost. I am curious to know if these refugees from Freeport are the same as the new combined Order of Marr that has re-established themselves in the Qeynos area, and if not what their association with the (new) Order of Marr might be. I am a bit confused as to the hierarchy here. It was my understanding that the older, (separate but allied), orders of the Priests of Marr, and the Knights of Truth were combined into a new order merely called the Order of Marr, after their suppression and expulsion from Freeport by the Overlord. Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on 09-29-2006 12:07 PM

09-29-2006, 11:08 PM	#18
arieste Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 586	I noticed in the designed post "skilled with crossbows" which made me remember the question I've had for the longest time. If you look at the weapons tab on the main EQ2 website you will see quite clearly a Crossbow. What happened to x-bows? (on a side note, it would be cool if the warrior classes used crossbows and the scouts used bows, but that's neither here nor there). __________________

09-29-2006, 11:20 PM	#19
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	There never were any crossbows in Everquest other than the CLASS NONE RACE NONE crossbows that thurgadin guards used in Velious.

09-29-2006, 11:36 PM	#20
Eono Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	Reading that makes me wish even more I could use one as a Pally :smileysurprised: __________________

09-29-2006, 11:37 PM	#21
wakkogooch Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 24	DreamerCloud9 wrote: Cowdenicus wrote: Hagran wrote: So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find .. So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think? That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out. It kind of reminds me of DeathFist Citadel for some reason. yeah, i think it does look like DFC, even has the sewer entrance at the base right where it is on the citedal, but based on how it's situated now, looks like this castle was buried and the orc miners found it and dug it up, hence the dirt around the sides and it being in the middle of what looks like a dug up hole, wonder if in the age of turmoil the castle was buried, to protect it, but was unfortunately found by the orcs, while they were digging in the area

09-30-2006, 01:34 AM	#22
Ama General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,833	Vhalen wrote: What you are looking at is Lionheart Castle, part of the hidden city of Marr. The village rests beyond the bridge to the right. In an early version of the game the Knights of Truth, Priests of Marr and other benevolent residents from North Freeport migrated to this village after the Freeport Militia drove them out of Freeport. The guardians of Lionheart Castle are an order that can be seen in North Freeport since the Age of Turmoil. These guardians are called the Sentries of Erollisi. They wear ornate silver armor with a shiny silver helm. The helm's visor is shaped in the guise of Erollisi Marr. These guards don vibrant blue capes with cowls. They are highly skilled with crossbows and always have one slung on their back. Their primary weapon is a blessed ornate war hammer of fine design. Sentries also have long hair regardless of gender. A Sentry is bound to protect the Priests of Marr and any sacred ground of the Order of Marr. These elite knights are very alluring, but pure of heart. The village of Marr may not appear in game, but its original design document had many elements that have made it into EQ2 lore. Many of these secrets will be revealed in time. The village itself does not exist as designed, but there is a hidden fortress that represents this original design. So, this image does exist on Norrath, in lore. Strange, in EQOA after completing your "epic weapon quest" for a pally you could recieve a 2h war hammer weapon with a glowing head. Here's a picture of what the hammer looked like. __________________

09-30-2006, 02:08 AM	#23
arieste Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 586	i never said there were any in the game, i said there were some on the website, here: http://everquest2.station.sony.com/en/main.vm#equipmentRangedWeapons __________________

09-30-2006, 06:17 AM	#24
DreamerClou General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 387	wakkogooch wrote: DreamerCloud9 wrote: Cowdenicus wrote: Hagran wrote: So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find .. So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think? That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out. It kind of reminds me of DeathFist Citadel for some reason. yeah, i think it does look like DFC, even has the sewer entrance at the base right where it is on the citedal, but based on how it's situated now, looks like this castle was buried and the orc miners found it and dug it up, hence the dirt around the sides and it being in the middle of what looks like a dug up hole, wonder if in the age of turmoil the castle was buried, to protect it, but was unfortunately found by the orcs, while they were digging in the area yep, Vhalen did say that this building's design is on Norrath - though its not actually called Lionheart Castle. The devs must have used these design plans for Deathfist Citadel instead. __________________ ___________________ Retired Cleric of The Spires of Innoruuk Your life is in our hands

09-30-2006, 08:01 AM	#25
Zeroimagination Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101	Vhalen wrote: ... They are highly skilled with crossbows and always have one slung on their back. ... I want a crossbow!!! Where dem at?! __________________ Trafficker Delauded Pain'Easer - 72 Fury / 74 Weaponsmith Corsair Dangerousbeans Rumblebottom - 70 Assassin/70 Tailor Sujimarg Seal`Clubber - Coercer/Carpenter Malicia Grimm - Conjurer/70 Wood Worker Five Finger Discount, Everfrost Server

09-30-2006, 05:11 PM	#26
Jaale Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wales Posts: 185	DreamerCloud9 wrote: wakkogooch wrote: DreamerCloud9 wrote: Cowdenicus wrote: Hagran wrote: So i was reading some post from the days when i wasnt really around, but i did remember something from when i watched EQ2 being made in the early days they released a screeshot... which after much digging in Google i managed to find .. So lets see if anyone knows what this is, but i do remember somewhere that it was mentioned as a place where Marr's followers lived in peace away from Freeport, it is my thinking that this is where we will find the bulk of the Order of Marr, what ya think? That looks alot like either Nexus or I cant remember the other name, where us guides get to hang out. It kind of reminds me of DeathFist Citadel for some reason. yeah, i think it does look like DFC, even has the sewer entrance at the base right where it is on the citedal, but based on how it's situated now, looks like this castle was buried and the orc miners found it and dug it up, hence the dirt around the sides and it being in the middle of what looks like a dug up hole, wonder if in the age of turmoil the castle was buried, to protect it, but was unfortunately found by the orcs, while they were digging in the area yep, Vhalen did say that this building's design is on Norrath - though its not actually called Lionheart Castle. The devs must have used these design plans for Deathfist Citadel instead. Hmm I thought it was ment more as it exsists but it is hidden in game world (not implemented just yet.) rather than used as something else, that said it is Valens cryptic wording here. That the places exsists as a place in current EQ2 time line is very cool and I hope we get to see and visit it and the village behind it soon. Maybe it will be tied to Cauldon and the work that he is doing, after being told by his higher ups to go to Q, did he come from Lionheart Castle?

09-30-2006, 05:23 PM	#27
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	I interpreted Vhalens words as "Yes, this place exists, but no, we have no intention of ever bringing it into the game because it was a failed design"

09-30-2006, 06:27 PM	#28
Mary the Prophetess Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	My take was, "Yes, this place exists. It was a prototype that we later adapted into a different place." (my guess being Deathfist Citadel)

09-30-2006, 07:41 PM	#29
Jaale Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wales Posts: 185	Cusashorn wrote: I interpreted Vhalens words as "Yes, this place exists, but no, we have no intention of ever bringing it into the game because it was a failed design" That would be a shame it looks good and I would like to see it and be able to walk the walls.. It does resemble DFC but there are a few changes that make me think no, the sewr grate being in teh wrong place, the walls being different, the extentions being missing.. things that might be easier to start from fresh rather than adjust what is there, without seeing another pic from one of the dev's (hint/bat's eyelashs/offers chocolate treats.) it would very very difficult to tell. I for one would like to see it in the game though, even as a reworked area.

09-30-2006, 10:21 PM	#30
Hagran Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 72	I have to say i agree with Jaale on this, i think in a later day we will find that the Order of Marr and whatever the Frogloks had, will be in one single place, that is why i think (lore wise) it took a while for enough Frogloks to come out to Qeynos.I Love anything to do with the Halasian's (Barbarians) and the marr twins, i also enjoy any other lore, but i am still finding my thing out here.