A Funny Defiler Story

Flor · 08-12-2006, 05:48 PM

I read a previous post on the defiler forums about folks fairly clueless about what defilers do and now I must share mine. My guildies and I haven't laughed so hard. We were laughing so hard on Skype that some family members of one of our group members had to "check in on mom" to see if everything was ok.

So here we are in Runnyeye. We've had a good regular group of bruiser, defiler, coercer, necro. We fill our group in with either guildies or in our case last night, picked up another healer (templar) and a necro. This is the first time that our group has tackled RE. My defiler is 33 and the bruiser (my dear hubby) is 34. My hubby is fairly well twinked out with good gear (all mastercrafted) with a few master spells and adepts. So here we go into RE with our group. Hubby likes to set a very fast pace and we tend to blow through the dungeon fairly quickly. Very fast but careful pulling and no wipes for a long time (not til we get down to the bottom and things become orange to us, hehe).

An hour goes by. We are happily chatting away on Skype, just the four of us. Everyone doing their jobs. Tank taunting, coercer mezzing, etc. Groups health bar does not budge for almost the whole time. Suddenly the templar starts getting restless. He is not the most articulate guy and starts voicing his frustration to us that we are a "too careful group." Now we are basically pulling non stop and the experince is flying by . By this time, everyone has made a level or so. Then he starts griping that by using a program like Teamspeak would really help us out to refine our tactics. By this time, we are shaking our heads and typing in group chat, "???." Then I said to the guy, if you have constructive advice, let us know what it is. Then he sends a private tell to my hubby saying something like, "I've never been in a group where the tank's health never goes down. What's with that, I haven't had to do any healing. Man, bruisers are really awesome. u just don't get hit. We should go to the bottom and pull like 20 mobs man." Hubby just shakes his head and drives on. Templar takes a very long afk since the tank wasn't "getting hit" and finally comes back to the group asking if we got to the junk pile yet. He still has no clue that I was a healer I think.

One group member leaves after about 2+ hours of non stop fighting to go to bed. Templar brings in a level 70 fury that mentored down (friend). Ah finally, we have a "second healer." Sigh. Then the fury asks us for permission to just basically nuke since the tank isn't taking any damage and to tell her when she can use her AOEs. Another sigh. We managed to get all the way to the bottom, starting to have some problems when things got orange to us and taunts were being resisted quite a bit. The templar and fury were a bit surprised when they actually had to start healing.

In spite of the clueless folks, they were pretty nice although young as we found out. We had a great group and very nice time. I don't think that I've laughed as hard at some of the comments they made in a long time. I don't think that they ever figured out that I was a healer. And the poor guy is probably rolling up a bruiser thinking that they are invulnerable and never get hit, lol.

Xova · 08-12-2006, 09:11 PM

That is pretty funny! I never run into the problem of people not knowing I'm a healer, but then I rarely group with people outside my guild.

My only funny story is that right now on the Vox boards there's a bit of flaming going on between my guild and some other players - mainly over "end-game PvP" versus "mid-game PvP" - with these higher level players telling us we don't know what PvP is really like until we get to end-game. Why it's funny to me is that my boyfriend (guild leader) is one of the top-ranked (by infamy/title) Dreadnaughts on the server, and for our tier he is #1 and I am #2, plus I'm the #1 Defiler across all levels and #2 Defiler world-wide. So yeah...apparently we know nothing about PvP. And I got told today that I rolled "easy mode". Apparently low DPS, long cast times, low defense, AA lines that revolve around a triple-arrow down pet that is bugged some times, not to mention insta-target for being "the healer" = easy mode. Ah well, I guess the gig is up. We've been found out for the ub3r 1337 monster PvP class that we are. SMILEY

Message Edited by Xova on 08-12-2006 10:12 AM

Judist · 08-13-2006, 12:25 AM

Long story short, 4 of us were doing basket quests a while back. Tank, DPS, me and Templar.
After an hour of the tank not getting any damage the templar totally breaks down. Here is about 1/3
of the conversation that day.

It ended with him wanting to delete his character because healers are obsolete now because of defilers...
Or so he thought. Anyways we set aside 15 minutes to convince this guy he picked a good class.

I think his biggest problem was I was 5 levels lower the anyone else, yet doing fine. Kinda nice when you've
done almost every TT quest before you hit 50 SMILEY

Elf_Queen · 08-13-2006, 12:12 PM

Shaman do tend to "hog" the healing, not that templars or inquis are inferior at it, just they have to have someone actually taking dmg, thats one reason I dont much like grouping with them unless its a very hard group, because I feel bad on one hand that Im doing all the healing and that theres nothing they can heal while the wards are up=/ and they dont have much dps to do unlike druids who have some more. In their own right they are excellent healers but the 2 classes dont mesh well unless you want your tank to have a ton of hitpoints! I like grouping with fury as a second healer though since they can do some DPS, buff my INT so i can do some more, and have those quick heals for when squishy's get hit. my hubby is an sk and many ppl we group with think hes awesome, and tend to overlook me =( which is unfortunate cuz I think I make him look good! SMILEY

Devizi · 08-14-2006, 04:03 AM

Whoever that [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Defiler is that said he isn't good for group encounters....sad.

123bli · 08-14-2006, 07:56 AM

Xova wrote:

That is pretty funny! I never run into the problem of people not knowing I'm a healer, but then I rarely group with people outside my guild.

My only funny story is that right now on the Vox boards there's a bit of flaming going on between my guild and some other players - mainly over "end-game PvP" versus "mid-game PvP" - with these higher level players telling us we don't know what PvP is really like until we get to end-game. Why it's funny to me is that my boyfriend (guild leader) is one of the top-ranked (by infamy/title) Dreadnaughts on the server, and for our tier he is #1 and I am #2, plus I'm the #1 Defiler across all levels and #2 Defiler world-wide. So yeah...apparently we know nothing about PvP. And I got told today that I rolled "easy mode". Apparently low DPS, long cast times, low defense, AA lines that revolve around a triple-arrow down pet that is bugged some times, not to mention insta-target for being "the healer" = easy mode. Ah well, I guess the gig is up. We've been found out for the ub3r 1337 monster PvP class that we are.
Message Edited by Xova on 08-12-2006 10:12 AM

Well, in regards to Defilers being easy-mode PvP, we're not, we're not hard mode PvP, but we're not easy mode PvP either.Real PvP? What is that? Classes change so much depending on their level its amazing.At level 25 scouts become uber.At level 50 Wizards are pretty damned good.Then again, i can't see how WE change that much in PvP godliness, except perhaps when we get fear, or when we get enough AA to get a stun, etc.We don't get any exactly 'super' 'class changing' powers....

Jay-Bi · 08-14-2006, 09:22 AM

Devizion wrote:Whoever that [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Defiler is that said he isn't good for group encounters....sad.

...Hey, guttermouth, did you not se the 'Ok...I lied...' in red text next to it?

Judist · 08-14-2006, 01:49 PM

Hehe yea, just wanted that poor temp to feel a lil better. I honestly dont care if people think we suck at anything anyways. We all know better and thats what matters.

"Sure, get a backup healer..."

Then I can afk w/o trouble when I have to.

arieste · 08-17-2006, 12:42 AM

fun thing to do in this situation:

if you see that this is happening. start up your parser. wait for a particularly nasty fight. then post a parse that goes something like this

% healed:

Defiler: 80%

Defiler Pet: 10%

Templar: 6%

Fury: 4%

A shaman "healblocks" other classes (on parse only) so basically our wards are always used first. This isn't to say that we heal better, just that we parse better. But it's fun to bring up in the situation you described.

I did something like this with my zerker... I got into a group with a particularly talky mage and when I said we are doing about the same damage, his response was "How dare you imply that you can do same damage!" to which I said "Cause I've parsing for the past hour." **insert parse post**.

Anyhow, it's fun to toy with people who are full of themselves and are actually quite clueless.

Flor · 08-17-2006, 01:58 AM

Good comments here. I can't wait to start playing again. Hubby has been out of town so our little group is waiting for him to get back we we don't get too far out of synch.

One question though from you defiler vets? I can solo but I find it a little painful and I don't like to do it. Does our DPS get any better as you level up? I'm level 34 (just a baby I know) and have an assortment of adepts, adept 3 and a handful of masters. My fury is awesome at DPS but as I've said before, seems to take me a bit more effort to keep the group alive. I'm not looking to be a DPS goddess by any means but does it get a bit better at the higher levels? One post indicated that you were parsing on par with a mage. I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic so I thought that I would ask.

This is not a whine. I love the class. Just curious about how they play in the higher levels in terms of DPS.

arieste · 08-17-2006, 02:28 AM

it gets a little better. but not much. you get Defile (65) which is awesome for finishing mobs off and you get Maelstrom (50 i think) which is okayish for multiple weak targets. We parse nowhere near a fury.However, as you more AAs, you can set up your pet to do quite a bit of DPS. Wis3 (the proc) does great damage if you put 8 points into it. For a raiding defiler it is a poor choice, but for soloing it's absolutely awesome.cheers.

firewolf · 08-17-2006, 11:44 AM

Totally agree. I could not live without the dog when it comes to soloing. Currently 7AP into wis 3. 3-5 procs per mob doing up to 250-455 damage per proc makes the fight ends much faster. It makes soloing those level 56-57 mobs in TT for basket quests at level 53 much more fun.

Judist · 08-17-2006, 12:50 PM

I decided to help a group of lowbies with the Scarecrow King Epic. The raidleader (who was also MT) wanted like 4-5 healers. Needless to say no one in the MT group saw any form of damage the entire fight (as I timed my group emergency ward perfect after the taunt). All those extra healers ended up doing nothing but DPS.

I love this class.

08-14-2006, 07:56 AM	#6
123bli Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 16	Xova wrote: That is pretty funny! I never run into the problem of people not knowing I'm a healer, but then I rarely group with people outside my guild. My only funny story is that right now on the Vox boards there's a bit of flaming going on between my guild and some other players - mainly over "end-game PvP" versus "mid-game PvP" - with these higher level players telling us we don't know what PvP is really like until we get to end-game. Why it's funny to me is that my boyfriend (guild leader) is one of the top-ranked (by infamy/title) Dreadnaughts on the server, and for our tier he is #1 and I am #2, plus I'm the #1 Defiler across all levels and #2 Defiler world-wide. So yeah...apparently we know nothing about PvP. And I got told today that I rolled "easy mode". Apparently low DPS, long cast times, low defense, AA lines that revolve around a triple-arrow down pet that is bugged some times, not to mention insta-target for being "the healer" = easy mode. Ah well, I guess the gig is up. We've been found out for the ub3r 1337 monster PvP class that we are. Message Edited by Xova on 08-12-2006 10:12 AM Well, in regards to Defilers being easy-mode PvP, we're not, we're not hard mode PvP, but we're not easy mode PvP either.Real PvP? What is that? Classes change so much depending on their level its amazing.At level 25 scouts become uber.At level 50 Wizards are pretty damned good.Then again, i can't see how WE change that much in PvP godliness, except perhaps when we get fear, or when we get enough AA to get a stun, etc.We don't get any exactly 'super' 'class changing' powers....

08-17-2006, 12:42 AM	#9
arieste Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 586	fun thing to do in this situation: if you see that this is happening. start up your parser. wait for a particularly nasty fight. then post a parse that goes something like this % healed: Defiler: 80% Defiler Pet: 10% Templar: 6% Fury: 4% A shaman "healblocks" other classes (on parse only) so basically our wards are always used first. This isn't to say that we heal better, just that we parse better. But it's fun to bring up in the situation you described. I did something like this with my zerker... I got into a group with a particularly talky mage and when I said we are doing about the same damage, his response was "How dare you imply that you can do same damage!" to which I said "Cause I've parsing for the past hour." insert parse post. Anyhow, it's fun to toy with people who are full of themselves and are actually quite clueless. __________________

08-17-2006, 02:28 AM	#11
arieste Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 586	it gets a little better. but not much. you get Defile (65) which is awesome for finishing mobs off and you get Maelstrom (50 i think) which is okayish for multiple weak targets. We parse nowhere near a fury.However, as you more AAs, you can set up your pet to do quite a bit of DPS. Wis3 (the proc) does great damage if you put 8 points into it. For a raiding defiler it is a poor choice, but for soloing it's absolutely awesome.cheers. __________________

08-12-2006, 05:48 PM	#1
Flor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 146	I read a previous post on the defiler forums about folks fairly clueless about what defilers do and now I must share mine. My guildies and I haven't laughed so hard. We were laughing so hard on Skype that some family members of one of our group members had to "check in on mom" to see if everything was ok. So here we are in Runnyeye. We've had a good regular group of bruiser, defiler, coercer, necro. We fill our group in with either guildies or in our case last night, picked up another healer (templar) and a necro. This is the first time that our group has tackled RE. My defiler is 33 and the bruiser (my dear hubby) is 34. My hubby is fairly well twinked out with good gear (all mastercrafted) with a few master spells and adepts. So here we go into RE with our group. Hubby likes to set a very fast pace and we tend to blow through the dungeon fairly quickly. Very fast but careful pulling and no wipes for a long time (not til we get down to the bottom and things become orange to us, hehe). An hour goes by. We are happily chatting away on Skype, just the four of us. Everyone doing their jobs. Tank taunting, coercer mezzing, etc. Groups health bar does not budge for almost the whole time. Suddenly the templar starts getting restless. He is not the most articulate guy and starts voicing his frustration to us that we are a "too careful group." Now we are basically pulling non stop and the experince is flying by . By this time, everyone has made a level or so. Then he starts griping that by using a program like Teamspeak would really help us out to refine our tactics. By this time, we are shaking our heads and typing in group chat, "???." Then I said to the guy, if you have constructive advice, let us know what it is. Then he sends a private tell to my hubby saying something like, "I've never been in a group where the tank's health never goes down. What's with that, I haven't had to do any healing. Man, bruisers are really awesome. u just don't get hit. We should go to the bottom and pull like 20 mobs man." Hubby just shakes his head and drives on. Templar takes a very long afk since the tank wasn't "getting hit" and finally comes back to the group asking if we got to the junk pile yet. He still has no clue that I was a healer I think. One group member leaves after about 2+ hours of non stop fighting to go to bed. Templar brings in a level 70 fury that mentored down (friend). Ah finally, we have a "second healer." Sigh. Then the fury asks us for permission to just basically nuke since the tank isn't taking any damage and to tell her when she can use her AOEs. Another sigh. We managed to get all the way to the bottom, starting to have some problems when things got orange to us and taunts were being resisted quite a bit. The templar and fury were a bit surprised when they actually had to start healing. In spite of the clueless folks, they were pretty nice although young as we found out. We had a great group and very nice time. I don't think that I've laughed as hard at some of the comments they made in a long time. I don't think that they ever figured out that I was a healer. And the poor guy is probably rolling up a bruiser thinking that they are invulnerable and never get hit, lol.

08-12-2006, 09:11 PM	#2
Xova Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 509	That is pretty funny! I never run into the problem of people not knowing I'm a healer, but then I rarely group with people outside my guild. My only funny story is that right now on the Vox boards there's a bit of flaming going on between my guild and some other players - mainly over "end-game PvP" versus "mid-game PvP" - with these higher level players telling us we don't know what PvP is really like until we get to end-game. Why it's funny to me is that my boyfriend (guild leader) is one of the top-ranked (by infamy/title) Dreadnaughts on the server, and for our tier he is #1 and I am #2, plus I'm the #1 Defiler across all levels and #2 Defiler world-wide. So yeah...apparently we know nothing about PvP. And I got told today that I rolled "easy mode". Apparently low DPS, long cast times, low defense, AA lines that revolve around a triple-arrow down pet that is bugged some times, not to mention insta-target for being "the healer" = easy mode. Ah well, I guess the gig is up. We've been found out for the ub3r 1337 monster PvP class that we are. Message Edited by Xova on 08-12-2006 10:12 AM

08-13-2006, 12:25 AM	#3
Judist Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 432	Long story short, 4 of us were doing basket quests a while back. Tank, DPS, me and Templar. After an hour of the tank not getting any damage the templar totally breaks down. Here is about 1/3 of the conversation that day. It ended with him wanting to delete his character because healers are obsolete now because of defilers... Or so he thought. Anyways we set aside 15 minutes to convince this guy he picked a good class. I think his biggest problem was I was 5 levels lower the anyone else, yet doing fine. Kinda nice when you've done almost every TT quest before you hit 50

08-13-2006, 12:12 PM	#4
Elf_Queen Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 378	Shaman do tend to "hog" the healing, not that templars or inquis are inferior at it, just they have to have someone actually taking dmg, thats one reason I dont much like grouping with them unless its a very hard group, because I feel bad on one hand that Im doing all the healing and that theres nothing they can heal while the wards are up=/ and they dont have much dps to do unlike druids who have some more. In their own right they are excellent healers but the 2 classes dont mesh well unless you want your tank to have a ton of hitpoints! I like grouping with fury as a second healer though since they can do some DPS, buff my INT so i can do some more, and have those quick heals for when squishy's get hit. my hubby is an sk and many ppl we group with think hes awesome, and tend to overlook me =( which is unfortunate cuz I think I make him look good!

08-14-2006, 04:03 AM	#5
Devizi Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 45	Whoever that [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Defiler is that said he isn't good for group encounters....sad.

08-14-2006, 09:22 AM	#7
Jay-Bi Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2	Devizion wrote:Whoever that [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Defiler is that said he isn't good for group encounters....sad. ...Hey, guttermouth, did you not se the 'Ok...I lied...' in red text next to it?

08-14-2006, 01:49 PM	#8
Judist Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 432	Hehe yea, just wanted that poor temp to feel a lil better. I honestly dont care if people think we suck at anything anyways. We all know better and thats what matters. "Sure, get a backup healer..." Then I can afk w/o trouble when I have to.

08-17-2006, 01:58 AM	#10
Flor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 146	Good comments here. I can't wait to start playing again. Hubby has been out of town so our little group is waiting for him to get back we we don't get too far out of synch. One question though from you defiler vets? I can solo but I find it a little painful and I don't like to do it. Does our DPS get any better as you level up? I'm level 34 (just a baby I know) and have an assortment of adepts, adept 3 and a handful of masters. My fury is awesome at DPS but as I've said before, seems to take me a bit more effort to keep the group alive. I'm not looking to be a DPS goddess by any means but does it get a bit better at the higher levels? One post indicated that you were parsing on par with a mage. I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic so I thought that I would ask. This is not a whine. I love the class. Just curious about how they play in the higher levels in terms of DPS.

08-17-2006, 11:44 AM	#12
firewolf Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 181	Totally agree. I could not live without the dog when it comes to soloing. Currently 7AP into wis 3. 3-5 procs per mob doing up to 250-455 damage per proc makes the fight ends much faster. It makes soloing those level 56-57 mobs in TT for basket quests at level 53 much more fun.

08-17-2006, 12:50 PM	#13
Judist Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 432	I decided to help a group of lowbies with the Scarecrow King Epic. The raidleader (who was also MT) wanted like 4-5 healers. Needless to say no one in the MT group saw any form of damage the entire fight (as I timed my group emergency ward perfect after the taunt). All those extra healers ended up doing nothing but DPS. I love this class.