Concentration and group/self buffs

Tay · 11-30-2004, 06:17 PM

I have, until I started testing with the EQ2 Beta been playing DAOC for some 2.5 years, I had a number of characters there one of which was a Cleric, she was able to hand out both group and individual buffs within the group (and outside). Depending on the amount of concentration she had she could fully buff three people. I have been wondering for the last week or so if the Fury (Formerly Druid / Priest) concentration pool increases?I have some nice things that I would like to share such as Willowskin and wild spirit(and use myself), mostly we play with a Cleric in the group and they can supply Courage so I can cast some of mine, I can also hand out Vigor to the three main power users (Wiz, Cleric and Fury) if I'm lucky I can use Lion form for some additional (LOTS) HP and out of combat Pwr regen etc etc...If I'm solo I can go the whole hog, Willowskin, Courage, Vigor, Wild Spirit, Lion form, stick nettleshield on me and I'm a death trap for solo mobs, but within the group I find that I'm sorely lacking..sometimes I have to chuck Vigor to the tank to ensure that they get and keep agro our wiz generally has to go without.So my question is does the concentration pool grow or do you have to change group buffs on a pretty frequent basis?I feel as tho I should be able to offer more, maybe I'm just using Vigor the wrong way??Any ideas guys?

Message Edited by Tay on 11-30-2004 01:23 PM

Cadam · 11-30-2004, 07:24 PM

I have found that certain buffs work on the group as a whole and others don't. For example, courage uses a concentration spot, but if you target the group leader it will effect the entire group. Wild spirit is the same except that it does not use a concentration spot. Vigor uses concntration, but doesn't seem to effect everyone. I think willowskin does. It would be nice to have a definative list of what effects who.

As to you actual question, concentration never increases, as far as I know.

Cad

Bsag · 11-30-2004, 08:08 PM

It says right in the spell description which ones effect the whole group, you dont have to cast it on anyone spacific, you dont even have to have a target for group buffs. just cast them. Vigor is single target the others are all group. Oh and cause i see this alot, you dont have to recast the buffs when people join the group, group buffs effect people in the group as they come and go. Group members do have to be within a certain radius of the priest though.

Bobfish · 11-30-2004, 08:53 PM

Well, atm I have Courage up, Willowskin, Vigor on myself and the main tank, and then the other one free. The way I see it, the tank needs power more than anyone else to hold agro, the more power he has, the more he can spam his taunts, which in turn keeps me alive and avoids me having to waste power healing others.

Rward · 11-30-2004, 11:38 PM

I havent used vigor in several levels, as I lack free conc to cast it, unless I have another healer in the group that keeps courage up.

Been using Verdure instead. When I do use vigor I tend to cast it on myself or the second healer in the group, rarely have I had troubles with a main tank not holding aggro, as once they are out of power, the fight is generally nearly done.

Message Edited by Rwardis on 11-30-2004 10:41 AM

Rward · 11-30-2004, 11:38 PM

heh, tab followed by spacebar does strange things to posts

Message Edited by Rwardis on 11-30-2004 10:42 AM

Dragonreal · 12-01-2004, 12:44 PM

Wild spirit does in fact use up a conc point, and god do I wish wwe hadmore of those dam things.. right now I keep my form, wild spirit, verdure, courage, and willowskin up; I, and my warlock buddy, sorely miss the few days I had when I could toss vigor on half the grp without giving up other buffs.

Tay · 12-06-2004, 03:52 PM

tks for the posts guys, I'll guess I'll have to use the conc wisely.

Twizz · 12-06-2004, 05:02 PM

Do we ever get an upgrade to courage? I'm thinking about not using it anymore (though I still do) since it's gray. I might not use it after I manage to upgrade willowskin but not sure. Maybe a vigor on the tank would help more.

I currently use Courage, Willowskin, lion form, Verrdure and wild spirit.

Courage seem to give around 40 AC and some health. Not that much at my level.

Bulzie · 12-07-2004, 02:36 AM

Courage and WIllowskin do not stack for AC. Check out this post http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=11&message.id=1557

Someone said casting courage before Willow did stack but Im sure it did not unless something in recent patch changed something. Might want to test for yourself.

Ee · 12-07-2004, 02:58 AM

I stopped using courage myself, since the AC from willowskin overrides it. Of course, it is replaced with a vigor on either the MT or main healer.

Tay · 12-07-2004, 06:13 PM

Bulzie wrote:
Courage and WIllowskin do not stack for AC. Check out this post http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=11&message.id=1557

Someone said casting courage before Willow did stack but Im sure it did not unless something in recent patch changed something. Might want to test for yourself.

Using a clerics Courage definatly improves my AC, I seems to get a moderate improvment using it solo...and it does seem to depend on when you cast it.

Bsag · 12-07-2004, 06:59 PM

If I remember right, courage does not give ac, it gives agility wich makes it seem to give ac as agility increases ac, so it should stack with willowskin since they apply different stats. However I stoped useing courage a long time ago as the hp/agi that it gives is not worth the conc point when i have other good spells that i can use instead.

Tay · 12-07-2004, 08:03 PM

I did see mention of some stat caps, perhaps this was somehting to do with that, if your agility is capped then your AC doesnt go up???Just a thought..

Bulzie · 12-08-2004, 05:01 AM

Courage does not add anything to Agility. Not sure where you heard that but cast it on yourself and you will see. At level 20 Fury with courage App3, it adds 17 to Health, 5 to Power, 77 to AC and 8 to Sta. Willowskin adds 32 to Power, 184 to AC, 10 Agility and 10 wisdom. Since they don't stack for AC and Willow gives better stat boosts especially AC, is Courage worth the conc spot for the other small increases. For me it is not as I have other spells that buff other stats but if you wish to continue to use it, go for it.

11-30-2004, 06:17 PM	#1
Tay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	I have, until I started testing with the EQ2 Beta been playing DAOC for some 2.5 years, I had a number of characters there one of which was a Cleric, she was able to hand out both group and individual buffs within the group (and outside). Depending on the amount of concentration she had she could fully buff three people. I have been wondering for the last week or so if the Fury (Formerly Druid / Priest) concentration pool increases?I have some nice things that I would like to share such as Willowskin and wild spirit(and use myself), mostly we play with a Cleric in the group and they can supply Courage so I can cast some of mine, I can also hand out Vigor to the three main power users (Wiz, Cleric and Fury) if I'm lucky I can use Lion form for some additional (LOTS) HP and out of combat Pwr regen etc etc...If I'm solo I can go the whole hog, Willowskin, Courage, Vigor, Wild Spirit, Lion form, stick nettleshield on me and I'm a death trap for solo mobs, but within the group I find that I'm sorely lacking..sometimes I have to chuck Vigor to the tank to ensure that they get and keep agro our wiz generally has to go without.So my question is does the concentration pool grow or do you have to change group buffs on a pretty frequent basis?I feel as tho I should be able to offer more, maybe I'm just using Vigor the wrong way??Any ideas guys? Message Edited by Tay on 11-30-2004 01:23 PM __________________ Splitpaw Gnome/Fury 31/Provisioner 31 Barbarian/Monk 40

11-30-2004, 11:38 PM	#5
Rward General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	I havent used vigor in several levels, as I lack free conc to cast it, unless I have another healer in the group that keeps courage up. Been using Verdure instead. When I do use vigor I tend to cast it on myself or the second healer in the group, rarely have I had troubles with a main tank not holding aggro, as once they are out of power, the fight is generally nearly done. Message Edited by Rwardis on 11-30-2004 10:41 AM __________________ Rwardis, Fury of Permafrost

11-30-2004, 11:38 PM	#6
Rward General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	heh, tab followed by spacebar does strange things to posts Message Edited by Rwardis on 11-30-2004 10:42 AM __________________ Rwardis, Fury of Permafrost

12-06-2004, 03:52 PM	#8
Tay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	tks for the posts guys, I'll guess I'll have to use the conc wisely. __________________ Splitpaw Gnome/Fury 31/Provisioner 31 Barbarian/Monk 40

12-06-2004, 05:02 PM	#9
Twizz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 169	Do we ever get an upgrade to courage? I'm thinking about not using it anymore (though I still do) since it's gray. I might not use it after I manage to upgrade willowskin but not sure. Maybe a vigor on the tank would help more. I currently use Courage, Willowskin, lion form, Verrdure and wild spirit. Courage seem to give around 40 AC and some health. Not that much at my level. __________________ Akhorahil Gildarion Styrbjorn Murazor

11-30-2004, 07:24 PM	#2
Cadam Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	I have found that certain buffs work on the group as a whole and others don't. For example, courage uses a concentration spot, but if you target the group leader it will effect the entire group. Wild spirit is the same except that it does not use a concentration spot. Vigor uses concntration, but doesn't seem to effect everyone. I think willowskin does. It would be nice to have a definative list of what effects who. As to you actual question, concentration never increases, as far as I know. Cad

11-30-2004, 08:08 PM	#3
Bsag General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	It says right in the spell description which ones effect the whole group, you dont have to cast it on anyone spacific, you dont even have to have a target for group buffs. just cast them. Vigor is single target the others are all group. Oh and cause i see this alot, you dont have to recast the buffs when people join the group, group buffs effect people in the group as they come and go. Group members do have to be within a certain radius of the priest though.

11-30-2004, 08:53 PM	#4
Bobfish Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	Well, atm I have Courage up, Willowskin, Vigor on myself and the main tank, and then the other one free. The way I see it, the tank needs power more than anyone else to hold agro, the more power he has, the more he can spam his taunts, which in turn keeps me alive and avoids me having to waste power healing others.

12-01-2004, 12:44 PM	#7
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	Wild spirit does in fact use up a conc point, and god do I wish wwe hadmore of those dam things.. right now I keep my form, wild spirit, verdure, courage, and willowskin up; I, and my warlock buddy, sorely miss the few days I had when I could toss vigor on half the grp without giving up other buffs.

12-07-2004, 02:36 AM	#10
Bulzie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 255	Courage and WIllowskin do not stack for AC. Check out this post http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=11&message.id=1557 Someone said casting courage before Willow did stack but Im sure it did not unless something in recent patch changed something. Might want to test for yourself.

12-07-2004, 02:58 AM	#11
Ee Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	I stopped using courage myself, since the AC from willowskin overrides it. Of course, it is replaced with a vigor on either the MT or main healer.

12-07-2004, 06:13 PM	#12
Tay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	Bulzie wrote: Courage and WIllowskin do not stack for AC. Check out this post http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=11&message.id=1557 Someone said casting courage before Willow did stack but Im sure it did not unless something in recent patch changed something. Might want to test for yourself. Using a clerics Courage definatly improves my AC, I seems to get a moderate improvment using it solo...and it does seem to depend on when you cast it. __________________ Splitpaw Gnome/Fury 31/Provisioner 31 Barbarian/Monk 40

12-07-2004, 06:59 PM	#13
Bsag General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	If I remember right, courage does not give ac, it gives agility wich makes it seem to give ac as agility increases ac, so it should stack with willowskin since they apply different stats. However I stoped useing courage a long time ago as the hp/agi that it gives is not worth the conc point when i have other good spells that i can use instead.

12-07-2004, 08:03 PM	#14
Tay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	I did see mention of some stat caps, perhaps this was somehting to do with that, if your agility is capped then your AC doesnt go up???Just a thought.. __________________ Splitpaw Gnome/Fury 31/Provisioner 31 Barbarian/Monk 40

12-08-2004, 05:01 AM	#15
Bulzie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 255	Courage does not add anything to Agility. Not sure where you heard that but cast it on yourself and you will see. At level 20 Fury with courage App3, it adds 17 to Health, 5 to Power, 77 to AC and 8 to Sta. Willowskin adds 32 to Power, 184 to AC, 10 Agility and 10 wisdom. Since they don't stack for AC and Willow gives better stat boosts especially AC, is Courage worth the conc spot for the other small increases. For me it is not as I have other spells that buff other stats but if you wish to continue to use it, go for it.