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Join Date: Nov 2004
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![]() To third tier DPS! woot Why do I play this stupid game?
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I lay my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe to find it so like myself, indeed so brotherly, that I realized that I had been happy and was happy still, and that all that I could hope for was that on the day of my execution I might be greeted by howls of execration from the crowd. |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Eindhoven, Holland
Posts: 54
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![]() *ahum* We were meant to be T3 DPS, if you dont like it reroll. SOE has said before that this issue will be dealt with in time, and that time is now. Not a fanboy, just stating as it is. What I am afraid of though is that people are going to cry and say necros are useless and will not be wanting to group with us. But don't think thats gonna happen.
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General
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1,345
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T2 dps is our supposed spot on the holy tiers of dps.T3 if we use our tank pet.Im not too worried about the change i dont see that it will be too bad.
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Eindhoven, Holland
Posts: 54
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![]() hehe glad to see not everyone is crying! =)
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1,345
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Actually im looking forward to it, stealing agro was beginning to be a pain :pPlus i might get to see undead tides full 15 odd dumbfires with the change.
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I really don't care about our DPS nerf. There are so many other reasons to be playing a Necro, that if DPS is something worth crying about, you should reroll a new character.Necros are the bestest! :smileyvery-happy:
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#7 |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 132
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![]() I calculate a 25 - 30% reduction in our overall DPS based on the various dev posts about LU24. We receive nothing - no increased utility - as a trade off. Will this effect our desirability for groups? You betcha! And it should. Re-roll? How 'bout this...consistency from SoE. They've had more than 2 years to get it right. Instead they hack and slash classes after people have been playing them and have developed expectations. Glad to see so many people so happy about losing 30% of our DPS. WOot WoOt!
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I lay my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe to find it so like myself, indeed so brotherly, that I realized that I had been happy and was happy still, and that all that I could hope for was that on the day of my execution I might be greeted by howls of execration from the crowd. |
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK
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Who cares about dps? I can still kill things, i can still group and raid so wheres the issue?Necro's are far more than DPS which is why i enjoy playing.
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I am so happy our class will no longer be the FOTM, was getting tired of seeing dozens of newbie Necs running around these past cpl months.
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#10 |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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![]() Hehe - I am confused. I thought you killed things by doing damage to them. Silly me. I guess necros have some utility I have overlooked that allows us to kill things without doing damage.
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I lay my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe to find it so like myself, indeed so brotherly, that I realized that I had been happy and was happy still, and that all that I could hope for was that on the day of my execution I might be greeted by howls of execration from the crowd. |
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Join Date: May 2006
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Maybe now I can get Master spells for less than 8p on my server! Seriously, I hate being a popular class.
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK
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Dont be facetious, we still will do good damage we just wont be doing more than our fair share.
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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On a side note, the word "facetious" is the only word in the English language to use all 5 vowels in alphabetic order.
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#14 |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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![]() I too was getting sick of seeing all the n00b necros running around stealing my master spells. I really hope this gets rid of them. Im not scared of this change one bit. Its not hurting our solobility at all, actually helping it with our new pet heals. And on raids fine, we will just be down with the rest of the melee dps, who are all still 20% above wizards heh. Love how they used that as an excuse to nerf us. Fix sorcerors or just make all t1 dps what t3 is now, t2 to t4 etc.......bleh And to the OP, we have never actually been t3 dps so we cant exactly go back to it, I have been on top of the parsers since day one, ask anyone i group with. Its all about adapting to the changes, and this is yet another one of those many times we will have to do so. Message Edited by Winsarc11 on 06-14-2006 08:12 AM Message Edited by Winsarc11 on 06-14-2006 08:16 AM |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 392
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Whazy wrote:
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#16 |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,125
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![]() They're only 8p on your server? Pretty soon adept1s are going to be around that price. Well, maybe not, but the prices are going out of control (adept1s are usually STARTING around 30-40gp each). Masters? Prepare to shell out 15p at LEAST even for the crappy ones.If we lose FOTM status, that's good, but the nerf will still suck. |
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#17 |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 132
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![]() There will not be any decrease in necros on any of the servers after this nerf. People don't delete characters. Hopefully fewer people will play them and that MIGHT lower the price of some necro masters. On my server I have already noticed some necro masters dropping in price. I picked up a couple of T7 masters for 3 to 4 plat range. Got the blighted horde for 7 plat. Undead tide however is still at 47 plat and the pets are going for upwards of 100 plat. I doubt that the pets will drop much in price after this nerf. If you want to have even kind of decent DPS as a necro now you HAVE to have master pets.
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I lay my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe to find it so like myself, indeed so brotherly, that I realized that I had been happy and was happy still, and that all that I could hope for was that on the day of my execution I might be greeted by howls of execration from the crowd. |
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Join Date: May 2005
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![]() Can someone plz show me where it says Necromancers are or ever were to have been tier 2/3 ? because after reading the producers letter this month and summoners, even the producers acknowledge that we will still remain at the top of the tiers just not as far as head of the rest of the pack. If you were tier 2/3 before or even after this "supposed" nerf then sorry, look at upgrading your spells or your tactics, i for one will still be among the top in raids/groups with regards to dps, so really makes no differance what so ever, and if u have'nt read the producers letter for this month, then you should
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#19 |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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![]() After it goes live tell me if you are still top DPS. As for the producer letters and notes - I believe that part of it that says we are being reduced 30% in DPS. As for that part of it that says we will still be top tier DPS...well I have seen way too many major class adjustments to believe that. SoE has a track record of breaking classes when it makes such major adjustments. I hope you do remain top tier DPS dude, but don't bet on it.
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I lay my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe to find it so like myself, indeed so brotherly, that I realized that I had been happy and was happy still, and that all that I could hope for was that on the day of my execution I might be greeted by howls of execration from the crowd. |
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK
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![]() It was the stupid dps tier post done by the devs way back at the start of the game or lu13 or whenever it was supposed to be. People now quote it as gospel despite it being horribly outdated, it did say summoners were t2 with mage/scout and t3 with tank. |
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#21 |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I am trying to remain optimistic... but I remember the last class that had its damage tweeked and was a FOTM....... have you looked in the rangers forum?
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#22 |
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Join Date: May 2005
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![]() Lets be honest here, lets say i am/we are not top dps? Lol so what i think i will live, i wont be packing up the game just because i am not the best of the best (but i do have a very good feeling we will, mainly the reason for being top, is the mage pet, can anyone show me where thats being nerfed? Didnt think so) Even using the tank pet in offensive stance on raids (aoe immune for certain mobs ftw) still alows me to be up the top end, so i really don't know why people are so worried about this (Doom and gloom i need to phone the samaritans) lol If you paid for a beer you didnt like, would u pay for it again?
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#23 |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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![]() I bet Zald can still get T1 dps... you guys should try to be more like him.
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Join Date: May 2006
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![]() These changes wouldn't bother me so much if I felt my actual spells had more effectiveness in groups. Making our dumbfires work on encounters switching between targets as was mentioned in another post would be great. Right now when I assist the main tank, as I'm supposed to I find I can land maybe one and a lifetap on a mob before it dies. I don't even bother using dumbfires unless we're on a named or tougher ^^^. Even blue-white ^^^ non-named die pretty fast in high dps groups. I'm very happy they're changing the encounter DoT to still go off on the encounter if the mob it was targetted on dies. That was a great fix for me. |
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#25 |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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![]() Well, obviously, if you are not just ecstatic about a 30% DPS nerf you are either a noob or you dont really know how to play your class. I am a level 64 necro noob but I am excited about the nerf anyway. I am looking forward to being able to out DPS my assassin pet - finally! (sarcasm off)
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I lay my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe to find it so like myself, indeed so brotherly, that I realized that I had been happy and was happy still, and that all that I could hope for was that on the day of my execution I might be greeted by howls of execration from the crowd. |
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#26 |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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![]() Well the reason i think summoners got so powerful in the first place, was because back in the day (way before lu13) when we could hit t1 dps, but hardly anyone really new how. All the summoners complained about their dmg, this in turn caused a few upgrades that when combined with people figuring out how to really dps, put us way at the top. This is what i imagine will happen to wizards. I have seen atleast 1 wizard EVER keep up with or beat me in parses on a raid, and that doesnt include the extra 150-200dps they get from dmg not attributed to them, which necros have none of. You just have to figure out the correct AA lines and spell combos, without dieing ![]() So i envision Echoes of Faydwer to be dominated by the Wizzys. But thats just my opinion. Anyways im not too worried. There are tons of other ways to increase dps with a summoner, in fact im testing out a few promising avenues already. One part of being a necro is they ALWAYS get nerfed, but somehow they adapt and stay around the top. |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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![]() Agreed, I play a necro because I like the class, I like the pets, I like the spells, I like the soloability, the survivabilty, the utility and best of all LICH!!! I don't play the class because I want to be super powerful uber DPS MAN...I play the class because i want to. If you play the class because you want the best DPS in the game you better start rolling out toons that are the best dps and upon their nerfage I encourage you to play the next t1 dps class...Necros have been stated as to be intended for the T2/T3 dps, and as such this is a welcome and expected change. I am just hoping they didn't screw the soloability with nerfing the graven attack. Also, I share the concern that people will start crying and not want to group with necros because we aren't their uber leet damage man any more. I have played on test for a couple weeks with these tweaks in play, I will say that it looked good and I didn't really notice a change with my play style being nerfed. Just the amount of damage...but now it is live so we will see what happens.-Truwen |
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#28 |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Eindhoven, Holland
Posts: 54
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![]() lets just put it as it is: If you dont like the new changes then just reroll, nobody is forcing you to be a necro |
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#29 |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Behind you!!!!
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![]() Hey all just a bit of humor. I will promise to post the next class I play. I was a 70 ranger, now a necro at 45, so when I get my necro to 70 and get another class I will be sure to post it so that everyone will know which is the next class to get a DPS nerf lol. I didn't even make the necro for DPS, made it cause I wanted to solo. Hope I stil can ok after this patch. Good luck to us all. |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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and? last char i played before i went serius on necro was lock. We got and still are getting screwed (nerf and not getting the 10k aoe nuke that the single target caster got)
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