Done with this class

collins1 · 11-12-2010, 01:56 AM

i'm done figure i'd share the reasons

sacrafice life for dps = fail

cap on dps for dots = fail

AD doesnt stack right with UT = fail on soe

lifeburn = fail cost to much health to cast on hm mobs

Undead horde = fail dumbfire pets

ooze pet = wow why was it even brought into the game

debuffs = why waste time with them

prolly going to get rages * shrug* bring it on I wont see it. i'm done with this class polish a [Removed for Content] its still a [Removed for Content]

Nanran · 11-12-2010, 03:01 PM

This is a sad and disappointing /ragequit, what happened to the good old days of true internet [Removed for Content]? Tisk, tisk.

Rhadamanth · 11-12-2010, 03:43 PM

Well, you're right about all of that, but necros are still my favorite class.

Germs666 · 11-14-2010, 03:35 PM

One time we got a red name in this forum and he showed us he obviously has no clue about the class.

That pretty much sums up the direction in which this game is heading. Now Scouts and tanks are gonna get multi attack so the devs are gonna give casters multi spell attack.

Which will do nothing for us and dirges will soon out parse necros

Xalmat · 11-14-2010, 06:20 PM

Pretty weak excuses to quit the class if you ask me.

Don't expect any kind of class balance tweaks until Velious, though.

Germs666 · 11-14-2010, 07:24 PM

Sess did you betray back to conji already? LOL

Necromancers needs some serious developer attention! I'm too lazy/broke to betray or else I would've by now but I'm sure as soon as I do EB won't be OP anymore.

Xalmat · 11-14-2010, 09:40 PM

I betrayed back mostly because my guild asked me to. It's better to have two conjurors and a necro than it is to have a conjuror and two necros. That and I sucked at it compared to my skill level as a conjuror (it's hard to learn a class after only two weeks), plus I had to replace a couple conjuror-specific items with downgrades, so I also had a gear gap.

Had I played a necro as long as I played a conjuror, I have zero doubt I would have parsed as well either way. In fact, I rather enjoyed the class overall, and would recommend it.

Germs666 · 11-19-2010, 04:45 PM

it's better to have 2 conjis because they dps better, have more utility, more AoE damage and no annoying immunities to deal with (lifeburn)

I understand. You liked the class so much you betrayed back in two weeks to the other class with the obvious advantage.

Or your guild wanted you to because they wanted a dps class.

Makes perfect sense.

Davngr1 · 11-21-2010, 03:31 PM

Xalmat wrote:

Had I played a necro as long as I played a conjuror, I have zero doubt I would have parsed as well either way.

doubt that.

because i have raided with many good conj and necros and conj are constantly out parsing necros.

KinMorbidreamer · 11-24-2010, 12:28 PM

Sess couldn't take being the underdog class for too long, heh.

Cisgo · 11-24-2010, 05:59 PM

Davngr1 wrote:

Xalmat wrote:
Had I played a necro as long as I played a conjuror, I have zero doubt I would have parsed as well either way.
doubt that.
because i have raided with many good conj and necros and conj are constantly out parsing necros.

If your talking equally "high end" geared summoners the above assumption of equal parsing is false. Due to the potency cap lift (Aka. 200% potency Plane Shifts), the high end pet gear, the Elemental Blast/Time Warped numbers, the superior AoE DPS, there is no way a necromancer can duplicate or even come close to a conjuror on most encounters. The lower geared summoners will not notice as much disparity and the above could be true to an extent.

It is what it is, spin this anyway you want to guys, however the current mechanics favor one summoner over the other. I challange anyone to dispute me with numbers, not speculations. I have the numbers but frankly I am getting tired of presenting them. Hopefully this upcoming beta test we will see some positive changes.

Garlin1 · 11-25-2010, 07:09 PM

Cisgo wrote:

Davngr1 wrote:
Xalmat wrote:
Had I played a necro as long as I played a conjuror, I have zero doubt I would have parsed as well either way.
    doubt that.
because i have raided with many good conj and necros and conj are constantly out parsing necros.
    If your talking equally "high end" geared summoners the above assumption of equal parsing is false. Due to the potency cap lift (Aka. 200% potency Plane Shifts), the high end pet gear, the Elemental Blast/Time Warped numbers, the superior AoE DPS, there is no way a necromancer can duplicate or even come close to a conjuror on most encounters. The lower geared summoners will not notice as much disparity and the above could be true to an extent.
   It is what it is, spin this anyway you want to guys, however the current mechanics favor one summoner over the other. I challange anyone to dispute me with numbers, not speculations. I have the numbers but frankly I am getting tired of presenting them. Hopefully this upcoming beta test we will see some positive changes.

Could not of said it better myself. Xal, you can assume as much as you want but when it comes down to it conjs are favored.. period. The game mechanics are biased currently.

Solarax · 11-25-2010, 11:28 PM

collins1 wrote:

i'm done figure i'd share the reasons
sacrafice life for dps = fail
cap on dps for dots = fail
AD doesnt stack right with UT = fail on soe
lifeburn = fail cost to much health to cast on hm mobs
Undead horde = fail dumbfire pets
ooze pet = wow why was it even brought into the game
debuffs = why waste time with them
prolly going to get rages * shrug* bring it on I wont see it. i'm done with this class polish a [Removed for Content] its still a [Removed for Content]

actually i know how you feel

i have 2 conji 1 necro and an illy

i have a low level wizzy i will restart and a warlock planned.

also have a lvl22 assassin with 123AA and so far i like all characters for diferent reasons but in groups im liking the conji and necros less and less

maybe its time i studied up on how to be a proper melee DPS until the adventure class reset gets in game ( will reset one of my conji so i keep my tradeskills)

Davngr1 · 11-29-2010, 03:16 PM

frankly the doom and gloom on these forums is warranted. necro went from being a powerful class in t6 and T7 after being next to useless in T5, back to useless in T8.

granted the class has progressed since the horrid days of RoK but there is still serious balance issues between both summoner and other dps classes imo.

will there be any dev attention or at least fixes to clearly broken aspects of the class? broken things like soulrot tick cap and dumbfire pet?

nadym · 12-04-2010, 04:09 PM

They don't care (or at least that is what they have proved for years already). There, have you seen it, some red characters, that's the only red characters you are going to see for the next two expansions in necromancer forum.

I enjoy decorating my house with lots of skeletons though

Vaylan77 · 05-19-2011, 01:24 PM

I also have a Conjy in t4 fully maxed and now tried the Necro. Still building it but I have to say my Conjy is much more fun to play actually. The Necro comes with lots of dots and it takes for my taste longer to kill an enemy. Also the necro in t4 does not have direct buffs for teammates (Conjy has Flameshield and Seed of Fire). Also the extra pet looks better - Conjy has a healer pet. In some situations it comes handy. The AOE knockback is much better than the AOE lifedrain imho, also the encounter spell with the daze effect is much better than the necros encounter damage spell. All in all I have atm more fun with the Conjy although I have to see how the Necro will look like fully maxed.

Triste-Lune · 05-26-2011, 02:26 PM

I have yet to see a necro betray to conj and comeback while i have seen many conj betray to necro and return really really fast to conj.

Trensharo · 05-26-2011, 08:06 PM

Triste-Lune wrote:

I have yet to see a necro betray to conj and comeback while i have seen many conj betray to necro and return really really fast to conj.

I went to Conjuror and went back, but that was in my 40s-60s. However, I been been really thinking about going back to Conjuror. The only thing keeping me back is the fact that I have too many master Spells now, and I'm not rich so it would take forever to remaster every pet and virtually every damage spells outside of Vampire Bats plus a few others (group buffs, Consumption, etc.).

Keratis · 08-04-2011, 02:43 PM

I actually love the class, but I'm still low level. DoT classes are more my thing, so I like the "DoT em and forget em" approach. Honestly having more fun with this class than any other Mage class. The Wizard I found boring (unchallenging). The Enchanter was cute-ish but dazzling lights also werent my thing. Conjuror I found to be too easy (although they are our counterpart). Maybe its the death and decay aspect of Necro. Maybe I've played them for years in games. Maybe its the RP flavor of them I like. I tend to look at more than just min-max and stats than a lot of players do (you know, the types that play a class only because its OP). I look at what "personality" the class brings and in that I love Necro.

As for the suckage, Im not seeing it. I swear I'm having an easier time playing the Necro than any class I've played, including Paladin, Templar, and Swashbuckler. But I like DoTs. Some people like to kill things in 3 seconds. I prefer to DoT things then stand back and chuckle and watch their health drop after 5 seconds. In fact the only class that has been easier than the Necro to play is the Fury imo.

11-12-2010, 03:01 PM	#2
Nanran Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 18	This is a sad and disappointing /ragequit, what happened to the good old days of true internet [Removed for Content]? Tisk, tisk. __________________

11-14-2010, 03:35 PM	#4
Germs666 Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 230	One time we got a red name in this forum and he showed us he obviously has no clue about the class. That pretty much sums up the direction in which this game is heading. Now Scouts and tanks are gonna get multi attack so the devs are gonna give casters multi spell attack. Which will do nothing for us and dirges will soon out parse necros __________________

11-14-2010, 06:20 PM	#5
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	Pretty weak excuses to quit the class if you ask me. Don't expect any kind of class balance tweaks until Velious, though. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

11-14-2010, 07:24 PM	#6
Germs666 Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 230	Sess did you betray back to conji already? LOL Necromancers needs some serious developer attention! I'm too lazy/broke to betray or else I would've by now but I'm sure as soon as I do EB won't be OP anymore. __________________

11-14-2010, 09:40 PM	#7
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	I betrayed back mostly because my guild asked me to. It's better to have two conjurors and a necro than it is to have a conjuror and two necros. That and I sucked at it compared to my skill level as a conjuror (it's hard to learn a class after only two weeks), plus I had to replace a couple conjuror-specific items with downgrades, so I also had a gear gap. Had I played a necro as long as I played a conjuror, I have zero doubt I would have parsed as well either way. In fact, I rather enjoyed the class overall, and would recommend it. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

11-12-2010, 01:56 AM	#1
collins1 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1	i'm done figure i'd share the reasons sacrafice life for dps = fail cap on dps for dots = fail AD doesnt stack right with UT = fail on soe lifeburn = fail cost to much health to cast on hm mobs Undead horde = fail dumbfire pets ooze pet = wow why was it even brought into the game debuffs = why waste time with them prolly going to get rages * shrug* bring it on I wont see it. i'm done with this class polish a [Removed for Content] its still a [Removed for Content]

11-12-2010, 03:43 PM	#3
Rhadamanth General Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 107	Well, you're right about all of that, but necros are still my favorite class.

11-19-2010, 04:45 PM	#8
Germs666 Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 230	it's better to have 2 conjis because they dps better, have more utility, more AoE damage and no annoying immunities to deal with (lifeburn) I understand. You liked the class so much you betrayed back in two weeks to the other class with the obvious advantage. Or your guild wanted you to because they wanted a dps class. Makes perfect sense. __________________

11-21-2010, 03:31 PM	#9
Davngr1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,179	Xalmat wrote: Had I played a necro as long as I played a conjuror, I have zero doubt I would have parsed as well either way. doubt that. because i have raided with many good conj and necros and conj are constantly out parsing necros. __________________

11-24-2010, 12:28 PM	#10
KinMorbidreamer Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 40	Sess couldn't take being the underdog class for too long, heh.

11-24-2010, 05:59 PM	#11
Cisgo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 62	Davngr1 wrote: Xalmat wrote: Had I played a necro as long as I played a conjuror, I have zero doubt I would have parsed as well either way. doubt that. because i have raided with many good conj and necros and conj are constantly out parsing necros. If your talking equally "high end" geared summoners the above assumption of equal parsing is false. Due to the potency cap lift (Aka. 200% potency Plane Shifts), the high end pet gear, the Elemental Blast/Time Warped numbers, the superior AoE DPS, there is no way a necromancer can duplicate or even come close to a conjuror on most encounters. The lower geared summoners will not notice as much disparity and the above could be true to an extent. It is what it is, spin this anyway you want to guys, however the current mechanics favor one summoner over the other. I challange anyone to dispute me with numbers, not speculations. I have the numbers but frankly I am getting tired of presenting them. Hopefully this upcoming beta test we will see some positive changes.

11-25-2010, 07:09 PM	#12
Garlin1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 229	Cisgo wrote: Davngr1 wrote: Xalmat wrote: Had I played a necro as long as I played a conjuror, I have zero doubt I would have parsed as well either way. doubt that. because i have raided with many good conj and necros and conj are constantly out parsing necros. If your talking equally "high end" geared summoners the above assumption of equal parsing is false. Due to the potency cap lift (Aka. 200% potency Plane Shifts), the high end pet gear, the Elemental Blast/Time Warped numbers, the superior AoE DPS, there is no way a necromancer can duplicate or even come close to a conjuror on most encounters. The lower geared summoners will not notice as much disparity and the above could be true to an extent. It is what it is, spin this anyway you want to guys, however the current mechanics favor one summoner over the other. I challange anyone to dispute me with numbers, not speculations. I have the numbers but frankly I am getting tired of presenting them. Hopefully this upcoming beta test we will see some positive changes. Could not of said it better myself. Xal, you can assume as much as you want but when it comes down to it conjs are favored.. period. The game mechanics are biased currently. __________________

11-25-2010, 11:28 PM	#13
Solarax Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 487	collins1 wrote: i'm done figure i'd share the reasons sacrafice life for dps = fail cap on dps for dots = fail AD doesnt stack right with UT = fail on soe lifeburn = fail cost to much health to cast on hm mobs Undead horde = fail dumbfire pets ooze pet = wow why was it even brought into the game debuffs = why waste time with them prolly going to get rages * shrug* bring it on I wont see it. i'm done with this class polish a [Removed for Content] its still a [Removed for Content] actually i know how you feel i have 2 conji 1 necro and an illy i have a low level wizzy i will restart and a warlock planned. also have a lvl22 assassin with 123AA and so far i like all characters for diferent reasons but in groups im liking the conji and necros less and less maybe its time i studied up on how to be a proper melee DPS until the adventure class reset gets in game ( will reset one of my conji so i keep my tradeskills)

11-29-2010, 03:16 PM	#14
Davngr1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,179	frankly the doom and gloom on these forums is warranted. necro went from being a powerful class in t6 and T7 after being next to useless in T5, back to useless in T8. granted the class has progressed since the horrid days of RoK but there is still serious balance issues between both summoner and other dps classes imo. will there be any dev attention or at least fixes to clearly broken aspects of the class? broken things like soulrot tick cap and dumbfire pet? __________________

12-04-2010, 04:09 PM	#15
nadym Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 166	They don't care (or at least that is what they have proved for years already). There, have you seen it, some red characters, that's the only red characters you are going to see for the next two expansions in necromancer forum. I enjoy decorating my house with lots of skeletons though

05-19-2011, 01:24 PM	#16
Vaylan77 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 412	I also have a Conjy in t4 fully maxed and now tried the Necro. Still building it but I have to say my Conjy is much more fun to play actually. The Necro comes with lots of dots and it takes for my taste longer to kill an enemy. Also the necro in t4 does not have direct buffs for teammates (Conjy has Flameshield and Seed of Fire). Also the extra pet looks better - Conjy has a healer pet. In some situations it comes handy. The AOE knockback is much better than the AOE lifedrain imho, also the encounter spell with the daze effect is much better than the necros encounter damage spell. All in all I have atm more fun with the Conjy although I have to see how the Necro will look like fully maxed.

05-26-2011, 02:26 PM	#17
Triste-Lune Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 482	I have yet to see a necro betray to conj and comeback while i have seen many conj betray to necro and return really really fast to conj. __________________ outside of a dog reading is man's best friend. Inside it s too dark to read...

05-26-2011, 08:06 PM	#18
Trensharo Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	Triste-Lune wrote: I have yet to see a necro betray to conj and comeback while i have seen many conj betray to necro and return really really fast to conj. I went to Conjuror and went back, but that was in my 40s-60s. However, I been been really thinking about going back to Conjuror. The only thing keeping me back is the fact that I have too many master Spells now, and I'm not rich so it would take forever to remaster every pet and virtually every damage spells outside of Vampire Bats plus a few others (group buffs, Consumption, etc.).

08-04-2011, 02:43 PM	#19
Keratis Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Dynasty Reborn Rank: Member w/ 10000 + status pts Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 99	I actually love the class, but I'm still low level. DoT classes are more my thing, so I like the "DoT em and forget em" approach. Honestly having more fun with this class than any other Mage class. The Wizard I found boring (unchallenging). The Enchanter was cute-ish but dazzling lights also werent my thing. Conjuror I found to be too easy (although they are our counterpart). Maybe its the death and decay aspect of Necro. Maybe I've played them for years in games. Maybe its the RP flavor of them I like. I tend to look at more than just min-max and stats than a lot of players do (you know, the types that play a class only because its OP). I look at what "personality" the class brings and in that I love Necro. As for the suckage, Im not seeing it. I swear I'm having an easier time playing the Necro than any class I've played, including Paladin, Templar, and Swashbuckler. But I like DoTs. Some people like to kill things in 3 seconds. I prefer to DoT things then stand back and chuckle and watch their health drop after 5 seconds. In fact the only class that has been easier than the Necro to play is the Fury imo.