Grizzle stick or Godking wand post-EoF?

[Loral]

Just for fun, I watched the stats on both, and tried to determine what main hand weapon would be better, now that the stat cap has raised.

 

Grizzle:

27 INT

Proc 300-557 2X per min

 

GK:

20 INT

Proc 146-244 and 71 INT for 36sec 1.8X per min

 

When grouped, my INT score was in the 600, and I watched the damage of Snapping Mandible.

533-716 normal

546-734 under the INT proc

 

 

Any calculation god can make something out of it? At first glance, it seems GK is the best, especially since it also include other non-negligible advantages.

[Banditman]

As you note, the Wand of Second Life was proc'ing well in excess of it's stated damage.  However, in order to compare, you'd need to try Grizfazzles as well.  If WoSL is proc'ing in excess, you'd have to believe that GF's would also proc over it's stated value.Comparing my GF proc to your WoSL proc is silly.  It needs to be apples to apples.

[InsertNeko]

for soloing, the Godking one is better as it reduces your enemy's strength as it's beating your pet. I always use the GK one when solo'ing. I usually use griz on raids and groups, but not always. The minor heal helps, but in the long run it's not really that important. The INT bonus is nice, combined with an imbued INT ring.

[isias1]

Ok,  I have to admit, this is a nooby question but i just have to ask it...

 

In order to get either of the staffs to proc;  does one need to have "auto-attack" turned on, or does simply having the staff equipped make it proc?

 

thanks....

[Squall Leonhea]

no there are different types of procssome are using autoattackprisma 2 and grizzlefazzle proc on everything you cast on an enemy (means also roots, mezz...)than there are those that proc only on damage spellsand there are those that proc on heals cures... (beneficial spells)

[isias1]

so the proc goes off when you cast spells..that's good, i was hoping that was the case, & I didn't have to go up & melee to get the proc to work.....

[Princess Ivy]

Personally, I -always- use WoSL, whether I'm PVPing or Raiding or whatever. I prefer the int/dmg/heal/debuff proc over the solo damage proc - especially for PVP.

[Banditman]

Apples to Apples:

Wand of Second Life - List proc of 144-241, actual damage 78-471, average 281.

Grizfazzles Walking Stick - List proc of 296-549, actual damage 349-1059, average 652.

Proc rates slightly favor Grizfazzles.

In a raid, Grizfazzles is still the best choice, by a fairly wide margin.

Solo / PvP might be different with the heals and debuff.  Honestly, I'd still use Grizfazzles just to get it overwith faster.

 

Edit:  I basically switched to Wand of Second Life after we'd died 5 times working on Clockwork Menace.  The mobs therefore were exactly identical, giving me really good data.

Message Edited by Banditman on 11-30-2006 12:25 AM

[Loral]

I know it is next to impossible to calculate but... If you still have that parse Banditman... Does the +71 INT for the 36 seconds following the WoSL proc actually made you do enough bonus damage with your other spells to compensate for the 371 proc damage difference (difference of your 2 averages for sake of simplicity)?

There's a nice challenge for a stat-lover :smileyvery-happy:

[Occisor Regi]

bladed staff of the elements FTW!  especially if you go the new AA route that lowers your casting timers, that thing is nice.

 

but in the end, you are probably debating over ~10dps...at most.

 

pre-nerf, fitzpitzles would give ~20dps on a zonewide parse, and it had a higher % chance and higher dmg then just about any other proc item out there.

 

just my 2cp

[Banditman]

For a raiding Conjuror, no, the 71 INT isn't going to make enough difference.  You're probably so high up the INT curve already that diminishing returns bite down hard on that 71.No need to go all parse on that though.  Simply examine Snapping Mandibles, pop an INT potion and re-examine.  I bet the difference is less than 10 damage.I would like to say at this point however . . . Cloak of the Burning Prince for the win . . . omg.  My Adept III Snapping Mandibles was parsing almost 1000 HP of damage on average last night.  575 minimum, 1463 maximum, 983 average.  I love that.

[K3mik4l]

Wand of second life for the win, ft 14 is too much for me to dump. Grizfazzle's higher proc isn't worth enough for me to dump the wand. Also, wand's buff/debuff is almost always up (as it procs a lot) and the added int affects every spell.Guess I'll eventually replace the wand with some EoF onehander (or better yet, turtle dagger) to which I'll add the powerproc adornment.

[Banditman]

I've never had power problems in my raiding life, even when it took us 12 minutes to kill Vilucidae.Farm Nest of the Great Egg until you've got X'haviz Gown of Glory.  Wave goodbye to power problems.

[Occisor Regi]

yea, there's so many flowing thought items out there, the need for pris2.0 is minimal.  MoA = 5, Deatholl access = 7, Bracelet from Labs = 5, Relic hat = 8, Mantle of Leadership = 5, and there's FT 30....add in some of the shadow crap from lyceum and you're looking at ft 40ish (and this is all easily atta.  add in the use of shards and manastone, and the gown of glory and if you're still having power problems, the rest of the dps on your raid needs to come back from being afk.

 

i use my godking weapon when i put resist gear on over my normal FT set up.  but on 99% of raids, there's no reason to have pris 2.0 on, for a conj, just too much power regen anyways....

[K3mik4l]

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Occisor Regius wrote:yea, there's so many flowing thought items out there, the need for pris2.0 is minimal. MoA = 5, Deatholl access = 7, Bracelet from Labs = 5, Relic hat = 8, Mantle of Leadership = 5, and there's FT 30....add in some of the shadow crap from lyceum and you're looking at ft 40ish (and this is all easily atta. add in the use of shards and manastone, and the gown of glory and if you're still having power problems, the rest of the dps on your raid needs to come back from being afk.

i use my godking weapon when i put resist gear on over my normal FT set up. but on 99% of raids, there's no reason to have pris 2.0 on, for a conj, just too much power regen anyways....

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Umm. Ok I have MoA but instead of DT access item/any other bracelet I'm using Thule's bracelet and Finger Bone Manacles usually. Relic hat? Erm... lets just say I don't think much of it using Circlet of Living Fire. Mantle of Leadership, indeed, sometimes I use it, most of the times I find Dracomancer Mantle better.12 minutes on one mob and no power problems? The dps couldn't have been much then

Message Edited by K3mik4l on 12-01-2006 05:42 PM

[Banditman]

If you've never fought Vilucidae it won't make much sense to you.After you've done it once, you'll understand.Flower power 4tw.I parsed over 2400 DPS on Alzid Prime on Monday.  I hold my own.

Message Edited by Banditman on 12-01-2006 11:40 AM

[Thibor24]

I actually prefer a dagger so i can use my animated dagger spell.

I have a nice one with 25 int and raises my damage spells by 10.

[K3mik4l]

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Banditman wrote:

If you've never fought Vilucidae it won't make much sense to you.After you've done it once, you'll understand.Flower power 4tw.I parsed over 2400 DPS on Alzid Prime on Monday.  I hold my own.

Message Edited by Banditman on 12-01-2006 11:40 AM

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Fought him plenty of times, 12 minutes seems like an overkill for sure. What I really meant as power problem is the groups where there is none, no chanter nor bard.

[Banditman]

I think you'd find Grizfazzles Walking Stick an upgrade over that dagger.  Lemme throw some number at you.As a fairly hyperactive casting Conjuror, I tend to generate about 45 "swings" per minute on my own.  Obviously, if I included my pet it would be a lot more, but I've broken my pet out for these purposes.Now, I have the Cloak of Living Flames which adds 65 to all spell damage.  It doesn't actually add 65.  For instance, it adds about 48 to Snapping Mandibles and maybe eight or nine to every tick of Swarm of Bats.  Just for giggles, let's say that the average damage added is about half the listed amount.So we apply that to the Barakah dagger, I forget the name of it, sorry.  Anyway, 45 "swings" adding 5 damage to each swing.  That's a total of 225 damage added per minute.Equipping Grizfazzles Walking Stick, I'd get two procs per minute (more as you get your spell haste AA's done) at about 650 damage each . . . 1300 damage added per minute from Grizfazzles.I don't know how much damage the Animated Dagger creates, but I daresay it's not 1075 per minute.

[InsertNeko]

Sadly, this is turning into a "my equipment is better than you, and yours sucks" thread. I suggest the OP close it before it gets any worse. As for flowing thought, i have 18 i think? FT is way overrated. I've got my mana regen potions, manastone 1 and 2, and blazing vigor. I've got my signet of replenishment. I don't even have the mana thing from the claymore series.  I've only run out of power once or twice in DT when we went in before they "balanced" it after eof. So this is a pointless thread to continue. I'll stick w/the Godking wand, griz is my back up. I plan to use staff of the silent star once I get an adornment proc for it. Hopefully, we can get back to the actual topic at hand :smileyindifferent:

[Banditman]

If, as you say, FT is way overrated, you should be using Grizfazzles without a doubt.  No questions asked.

[InsertNeko]

check my first post in the thread :smileywink: