Last Breath

[Teaen Arcarius]

I have yet to see a Last Breath adept or app skill on the brokers.   Is it still in game?

 

Also, if it is, what is the percent chance of FD of the Adept 1 versus the Adept 3?

 

Thanks!

 

T

[Vorham]

adept 3 is 98% chance to succeed... fails are infrequent. id imagine adept 1 is similar to master 1 stilled life, seems like most T7 arts are scaled like that... so figure a 96ish% chance to succeed

Message Edited by Vorham on 04-14-2006 12:27 AM

[Gaige]

I'm 99.92% sure that Last Breat adept 1 and master 1 were removed from the game and the adept 3 was left in by accident.

[MakhailSamma]

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Gaige wrote:
I'm 99.92% sure that Last Breat adept 1 and master 1 were removed from the game and the adept 3 was left in by accident.

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I'm 99.93% your wrong. :smileytongue:

[Gravve]

Highest I've seen on our server is Last Breath App IV .  I'm not saying it doesnt exsist i'm sure that somewhere out there it might .  App IV is 96% chance to succeed btw .

 

 

[kingfish]

As I understood it, our feign and heal where no longer going to be upgraded due to the fact that they are based off of percentages. You come to a certain point where you could no longer upgrade these abilities because eventually you would be at a 100% which I am sure SOE wants to avoid. If for some reason our feign upgrade is still in game, which i can't see how it could be much better than last tiers, It doesn't really validate the reason our heal was not upgraded as well.

[PhozFa]

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Gaige wrote:

I'm 99.92% sure that Last Breat adept 1 and master 1 were removed from the game and the adept 3 was left in by accident.

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How would you know this and be so sure? i can't belive i remember reading a dev post saying this (i could be wrong)

[Gaige]

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PhozFate wrote:

How would you know this and be so sure? i can't belive i remember reading a dev post saying this (i could be wrong)

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I'm not sure, I just do.

[PhozFa]

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Gaige wrote:

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PhozFate wrote:How would you know this and be so sure? i can't belive i remember reading a dev post saying this (i could be wrong)

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I'm not sure, I just do.

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Well who can argue with that reasoning huh? Gaige say its so, so it must be. :smileywink: But anyway i assume this is our last CA in this line just like they cut off the self heal line. After all how much better can you possibly get other than a pure 100% FD or a shorter recast time.... maybe a FD that makes us immune to AEs while on the ground?

[Moorgard]

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Teaen Arcarius wrote:

I have yet to see a Last Breath adept or app skill on the brokers.   Is it still in game?

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The current feign and mend lines were not intended to be upgraded any farther. If there is still an Adept III recipe, it is an error that will likely be corrected. I'd advise you not to spend money on such a scroll.

[zabor]

so you are going to remove all last breath spells, even though some already scribed it, not knowing that it was not intended? spongy loam isnt that cheap

[Jezekie]

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zaboron wrote:so you are going to remove all last breath spells, even though some already scribed it, not knowing that it was not intended? spongy loam isnt that cheap

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Both Gaige and my self, as well as others, said during Beta that the Last Breath spell wasn't intentional and that the line wasn't upgraded any further behind the T6 FD, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

[Jhoric]

SoE has a huge history of never doing anything retroactive ever. I want my rare as heck spongy loam back please! Thanks. And please look into Stilled Life, which is a crock of bull. Says 94% at Adept 3 but fails about 20% of the time.

[selch]

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Moorgard wrote:

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Teaen Arcarius wrote:

I have yet to see a Last Breath adept or app skill on the brokers.   Is it still in game?

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The current feign and mend lines were not intended to be upgraded any farther. If there is still an Adept III recipe, it is an error that will likely be corrected. I'd advise you not to spend money on such a scroll.

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I'm kinda having difficulties "intended" visions of your Moorguard,  Tsunami for example as an Ancient Teaching was not intended to drop Master's but only crafted, yet you made it so original (Adept III) timer is now Master1 timer and adept III timer is shorter than it is "intended"

 

I can't yet understand intentions.

 

Message Edited by selch on 04-16-2006 03:10 PM

[Gaige]

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Jhoric wrote:
And please look into Stilled Life, which is a crock of bull. Says 94% at Adept 3 but fails about 20% of the time.

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Maybe that's because everytime you FD you have a 6% chance to fail.  Ever think of that?

[Jhoric]

It doesn't fail a total of 20% of the time when I use it throughout a given period. It fails 20% of the time when it is used once. Least for me. IE, not 6% failure rate, but 20%. Sorry if I was unclear, but I figured it didn't need further explanation.

[Gaige]

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Jhoric wrote:

It doesn't fail a total of 20% of the time when I use it throughout a given period. It fails 20% of the time when it is used once. Least for me. IE, not 6% failure rate, but 20%. Sorry if I was unclear, but I figured it didn't need further explanation.

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Given period = doesn't mean anything.

Its a pass/fail check each time you press the button.

There have been numerous posts on this subject.  Everytime you press the button you have a 6% chance to fail.  Everytime.  It doesn't matter if you've FD'd 1000 times, the 1001st time has a 6% chance to fail.

[Jhoric]

Yes, so at the ideal rate of 6%, out of 100 uses, it should fail 6 times, theoretically. Out of 1000, 60 times, etc. FD tends to fail far more than this given percentage which makes me believe that there are either other factors like mob level being taken into account which we are told isn't the case (but I don't believe them for a second) or the percentage is just flat out wrong or how it deals this percentage is wrong.

[Cragger]

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Jhoric wrote:

Yes, so at the ideal rate of 6%, out of 100 uses, it should fail 6 times, theoretically. Out of 1000, 60 times, etc. FD tends to fail far more than this given percentage which makes me believe that there are either other factors like mob level being taken into account which we are told isn't the case (but I don't believe them for a second) or the percentage is just flat out wrong or how it deals this percentage is wrong.

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Statistics and percentages don't work like that. Toss a coin its 50/50 being heads or tails, but flip it 100,1000,10,000 or even a million times it could land heads every single time. Thats how odds work and people not realizing it is exactly how such a thing say as.. legalized gambling works as a multi billion dollar industry.

[Jhoric]

9 out of 10 dentists approve that message. :robottongue:

[Gaige]

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Jhoric wrote:

Yes, so at the ideal rate of 6%, out of 100 uses, it should fail 6 times, theoretically.

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Wrong.

[EvilIguana9]

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Gaige wrote:

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Jhoric wrote:

Yes, so at the ideal rate of 6%, out of 100 uses, it should fail 6 times, theoretically.

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Wrong.

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How is this wrong?  Care to explain your methodology?  Each time you press the button you have a 6% chance to fail.  If you press it 100 times, you should on average fail on 6 of those attempts.  Now it is theoretically possible you could fail on all 100, but the odds are infinitesimally minute.  The more times you try, the more likely you are to experience the theoretical average. 

[selch]

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EvilIguana966 wrote:

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Gaige wrote:

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Jhoric wrote:

Yes, so at the ideal rate of 6%, out of 100 uses, it should fail 6 times, theoretically.

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Wrong.

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How is this wrong?  Care to explain your methodology? 

Each time you press the button you have a 6% chance to fail.  If you press it 100 times, you should on average fail on 6 of those attempts.  Now it is theoretically possible you could fail on all 100, but the odds are infinitesimally minute.  The more times you try, the more likely you are to experience the theoretical average. 

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What I got it, server rolls from 1 to 100 everytime, if it is over 94, you fail  which must be very little chance but possible.

 

[Lizardling]

"Both Gaige and my self, as well as others, said during Beta that the Last Breath spell wasn't intentional and that the line wasn't upgraded any further behind the T6 FD, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone."

 

You may have said so, but you have to realize that most people dont go reading every [Removed for Content] post out there. It is a surprise to most people including myself. It kinda sucks for all those who did waste a spongy loam on an adept III of it... I hope something can be done for the mistakes the devs or whoever made, not the players.

Message Edited by Lizardling on 04-16-2006 07:35 PM

[EvilIguana9]

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Lizardling wrote:

"Both Gaige and my self, as well as others, said during Beta that the Last Breath spell wasn't intentional and that the line wasn't upgraded any further behind the T6 FD, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone."

 

You may have said so, but you have to realize that most people dont go reading every [Removed for Content] post out there. It is a surprise to most people including myself. It kinda sucks for all those who did waste a spongy loam on an adept III of it... I hope something can be done for the mistakes the devs or whoever made, not the players.

Message Edited by Lizardling on 04-16-2006 07:35 PM

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Careful there, you might damage Gaige's sense of self importance with the revelation that not everyone devotes day and night to keeping up to date with his sagely wisdom. 

[Gaige]

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EvilIguana966 wrote:

Careful there, you might damage Gaige's sense of self importance with the revelation that not everyone devotes day and night to keeping up to date with his sagely wisdom. 

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My sense of self importance is reassured everyday.  Unfortunately its from my mom, who tells me I'm her special little boy and not the users of this particular forum.

[-UGG-Andy]

well,there is gonna be a lot of very dissappointed people if you remove it now,how could you only just notice it was still in there?I never got mine at all,but i really feel for those who did.I thought you guys played all toons,and you did'nt notice that brawlers had an unintended lvl70 skill since KoS release?:smileyindifferent:

[PhozFa]

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Moorgard wrote:

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Teaen Arcarius wrote:

I have yet to see a Last Breath adept or app skill on the brokers.   Is it still in game?

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The current feign and mend lines were not intended to be upgraded any farther. If there is still an Adept III recipe, it is an error that will likely be corrected. I'd advise you not to spend money on such a scroll.

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Thanks for telling us this 2 months later. It isn't about the wasted spongy loam for me. I just think its funny that noone up untill now realize that there was this spell in game. Just imagine how many diffrent devs it took who worked on this part of the game one way or another. I understand this game isn't going to be bug free. But i think some things are just careless to let go.

[Exordus]

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Gaige wrote:

 

My sense of self importance is reassured everyday.  Unfortunately its from my mom, who tells me I'm her special little boy and not the users of this particular forum.

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LMGDAO!!  :smileyvery-happy:

 

~Xordus~

41 Monk / The Brotherhood / Everfrost-Grobb

[Crest]

When you guys do get to removing this CA from the game, please remember to get the App 2 version on the Monk trainer in Elddar Grove.  I assume the Bruiser's have one on their trainer as well but I did not verify that.