SK Strats for PvP: Which Stats are best to Max?

xenocide85 · 10-11-2006, 08:06 AM

I've always gone with intelligence, and now i'm 44 w/ almost max int (at previous levels it was always maxed). however i can see the benefit in forming strategies around the other stats. what are you thoughts, experiences? and id like this to be open to discussion for any level of PvP, not just T7. Thanks.

SillyMonk · 10-11-2006, 08:11 AM

I've always tried to boost Int, Sta, and Str as much as possible. Int for my casting dmg, Str for my melee dmg, and Sta for my hit points.

Ramglob · 10-11-2006, 08:48 AM

Every time I see your sig "SillyMonkey" I get tired head and want to take a nap. It hurts my emotional state and I don't know why!!!!!

Rylight · 10-11-2006, 10:03 AM

yeah im with silly monkey, I've been most of mine into str and sta, though lately I've been rethinking wis and gear with high resist. anyways I go with sta because I figure the more health I have the longer I live, plus the fact that as an sk I can replenish my health.

Diern · 10-12-2006, 01:07 AM

I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI

Xanoth · 10-12-2006, 02:43 AM

think most classes end game pick max health and STA when they can, im sure its as useful in PVP as it is for raids and weathering the AE or big hit.

SillyMonk · 10-12-2006, 03:45 AM

Ramglobal wrote:Every time I see your sig "SillyMonkey" I get tired head and want to take a nap. It hurts my emotional state and I don't know why!!!!!

Subliminal messaging built into the sig.

This way, when I say something stupid (which I invariably do) you're to tired to respond to it. SMILEY

Eluzay · 10-13-2006, 09:15 PM

I personally go for the "tank mage" type of build, int, wis, sta, agil, str in that order.when you reach the stat cap on int start focusing on wis/sta gearwisdom beats out sta because it is both resists (damage mit) and power (the mage part) but sta is a close 3rd because of the whole hp thing, but due to our caress line hp is not as big of a deal as other "non healing tanks".

Eluzay · 10-13-2006, 09:19 PM

Diernes wrote:I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI

different strokes for different folks I guess, because i have a str buff, and melee is only about 30% of my damage it goes to the bottom of the list. Because 1 resist is worth way more than a few extra hp i put wis before stam.pvp is about resisting and burst damage. I am 4,8,8 in my int AA's ... I drop a judgement, then while it is casting switch to symbol and drop the Int special on them, switch directly back to my sheild before judgement even goes off... it drops around 1000 to 1800 damage right now on someone without using our touch line. They are slowed and scared after that move, a lot of people think I just used my touch on them, which comes in handy because they dont run so readily so when they are down to 30% they drop with the touch if it is a close fight.

xenocide85 · 10-14-2006, 10:47 PM

wait what? your Doom Judgement does 1000-1800? what lvl are you and how did you do that, please recap thanks

Kazander13 · 10-15-2006, 10:09 PM

I think he's talking about the wrath line...at least I hope so.

Diern · 10-16-2006, 01:11 AM

Eluzay wrote:
Diernes wrote:I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI
different strokes for different folks I guess, because i have a str buff, and melee is only about 30% of my damage it goes to the bottom of the list. Because 1 resist is worth way more than a few extra hp i put wis before stam.pvp is about resisting and burst damage. I am 4,8,8 in my int AA's ... I drop a judgement, then while it is casting switch to symbol and drop the Int special on them, switch directly back to my sheild before judgement even goes off... it drops around 1000 to 1800 damage right now on someone without using our touch line. They are slowed and scared after that move, a lot of people think I just used my touch on them, which comes in handy because they dont run so readily so when they are down to 30% they drop with the touch if it is a close fight.

Yes, PVP is about resists and burst DPS.But melee damage is not the reason why I say strength. Auto attack damage isnt very substantial. But str is the main stat which governs our power pools. and most of our damage comes from our spells.You need intelligence to maximise spell damage.Stamina to survive long enough to use it.Wisdom will be taken care of from equipment, its well known that at high end resists are really scewerd in PVP, which is why they are changing the system and increasing caps. and agility is practically worthless for a shadowknight.Mages are getting owned at the high end currently because of these resists. Which is why I took my wis stats and moved them to sta. I resist a hell of a lot regardless.

Message Edited by Diernes on 10-16-2006 10:32 AM

xenocide85 · 10-16-2006, 01:19 AM

not true at lower levels, i mean i don't know if it's the best strat, (or even good lol), but if you maxed agi at lvl, say 27, with the pvp shield and in def stance, your avoidance would be between 60-80% AND you'd have 40-60% mitigated, talk about insane

Diern · 10-16-2006, 01:33 AM

Yes, you really need to put things in perspective, the low end game is much different from the mid tier game which is different again from the high end

Eluzay · 10-17-2006, 06:16 PM

my combo does 1000 to 1800, I cast judgement and then switch to symbol while it is casting, before it goes off I que up legionares strike, when it completes i switch back to sheild... I call it a combo hit, takes about 2.5 seconds total cast time with only about 1 second without a shield up.

Eluzay · 10-17-2006, 06:17 PM

Diernes wrote:
Eluzay wrote:
Diernes wrote:I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI
different strokes for different folks I guess, because i have a str buff, and melee is only about 30% of my damage it goes to the bottom of the list. Because 1 resist is worth way more than a few extra hp i put wis before stam.pvp is about resisting and burst damage. I am 4,8,8 in my int AA's ... I drop a judgement, then while it is casting switch to symbol and drop the Int special on them, switch directly back to my sheild before judgement even goes off... it drops around 1000 to 1800 damage right now on someone without using our touch line. They are slowed and scared after that move, a lot of people think I just used my touch on them, which comes in handy because they dont run so readily so when they are down to 30% they drop with the touch if it is a close fight.
Yes, PVP is about resists and burst DPS.But melee damage is not the reason why I say strength. Auto attack damage isnt very substantial. But str is the main stat which governs our power pools. and most of our damage comes from our spells.You need intelligence to maximise spell damage.Stamina to survive long enough to use it.Wisdom will be taken care of from equipment, its well known that at high end resists are really scewerd in PVP, which is why they are changing the system and increasing caps. and agility is practically worthless for a shadowknight.Mages are getting owned at the high end currently because of these resists. Which is why I took my wis stats and moved them to sta. I resist a hell of a lot regardless.
Message Edited by Diernes on 10-16-2006 10:32 AM

wisdom is what governs power pool, not str

Xanoth · 10-17-2006, 06:59 PM

Eluzay wrote:wisdom is what governs power pool, not str

you sure your not a priest?

xenocide85 · 10-17-2006, 08:19 PM

Xanoth wrote:
Eluzay wrote:wisdom is what governs power pool, not str
you sure your not a priest?

as far as SKs go, both STR and WIS increase your power pool. i have gotten the impression that the extent to which they do varies from lvl to lvl (though I'm not 100% on that). when i tested this somewhere near lvl 35, if i recall correctly, STR added approximately 2.5 power per point and WIS added 1.6. However, in all cases, STR most def adds more power than WIS.

Message Edited by xenocide85 on 10-17-2006 09:19 AM

Eluzay · 10-17-2006, 08:34 PM

xenocide85 wrote:
Xanoth wrote:
Eluzay wrote:wisdom is what governs power pool, not str
you sure your not a priest?
as far as SKs go, both STR and WIS increase your power pool. i have gotten the impression that the extent to which they do varies from lvl to lvl (though I'm not 100% on that). when i tested this somewhere near lvl 35, if i recall correctly, STR added approximately 2.5 power per point and WIS added 1.6. However, in all cases, STR most def adds more power than WIS.
Message Edited by xenocide85 on 10-17-2006 09:19 AM

hmm that is interesting, I moused over my stats when I started and dont remember seeing the str buffing mana, I will have to adjust apropriately SMILEY

... not that I dont have a lot of str in my gear, just can always find more SMILEY

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Xanoth · 10-17-2006, 10:14 PM

xenocide85 wrote:asfar as SKs go, both STR and WIS increase your power pool. i havegotten the impression that the extent to which they do varies from lvlto lvl (though I'm not 100% on that). when i tested thissomewhere near lvl 35, if i recall correctly, STR added approximately2.5 power per point and WIS added 1.6. However, in all cases, STRmost def adds more power than WIS.

depends on race and level for the exact amount of power given i think and is subject to change in EoF. but at the moment STR gives roughly twice the power than you get from WIS, if not more.

xenocide85 · 10-17-2006, 10:56 PM

ah that would make sense if it was partially race based... i am a high elf which i would assume to be wis based and so maybe thats my my str power : wis power isn't quite 2:1

Diern · 10-18-2006, 01:35 AM

Eluzay wrote:
Diernes wrote:
Eluzay wrote:
Diernes wrote:I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI
different strokes for different folks I guess, because i have a str buff, and melee is only about 30% of my damage it goes to the bottom of the list. Because 1 resist is worth way more than a few extra hp i put wis before stam.pvp is about resisting and burst damage. I am 4,8,8 in my int AA's ... I drop a judgement, then while it is casting switch to symbol and drop the Int special on them, switch directly back to my sheild before judgement even goes off... it drops around 1000 to 1800 damage right now on someone without using our touch line. They are slowed and scared after that move, a lot of people think I just used my touch on them, which comes in handy because they dont run so readily so when they are down to 30% they drop with the touch if it is a close fight.
Yes, PVP is about resists and burst DPS.But melee damage is not the reason why I say strength. Auto attack damage isnt very substantial. But str is the main stat which governs our power pools. and most of our damage comes from our spells.You need intelligence to maximise spell damage.Stamina to survive long enough to use it.Wisdom will be taken care of from equipment, its well known that at high end resists are really scewerd in PVP, which is why they are changing the system and increasing caps. and agility is practically worthless for a shadowknight.Mages are getting owned at the high end currently because of these resists. Which is why I took my wis stats and moved them to sta. I resist a hell of a lot regardless.
Message Edited by Diernes on 10-16-2006 10:32 AM
wisdom is what governs power pool, not str

Sorry, that is incorrect. Strength is the primary attribute for crusaders which governs our power pools, 75% if I remmember correctly. Wisdom does effect power but to a much lesser extent. 25% or so. (dont quote me)Id dig up a developer post which states this explicitly, but Im too lazy and at work at the moment.and lets not get into the whole problems with the fact that only one stat will be taken into account if you have strength or wisdom capped. (bug)Wisdom increases resists and to a much smaller extent power. But strength is the primary stat which effects our power pool.

Xanoth · 10-18-2006, 02:49 PM

xenocide85 wrote:ah that would make sense if it was partially race based... i am a highelf which i would assume to be wis based and so maybe thats my my strpower : wis power isn't quite 2:1

only the exact number is determined by race, the ratio stays the same. reason being that those races with a higher racial stat shouldn't have an advantage at the cap than those with lower. stat cap is the same for every race. so its only at the lower end they have a bonus.

Kryptonix · 10-18-2006, 05:55 PM

Diernes wrote:
Sorry, that is incorrect. Strength is the primary attribute for crusaders which governs our power pools, 75% if I remmember correctly. Wisdom does effect power but to a much lesser extent. 25% or so. (dont quote me)

Id dig up a developer post which states this explicitly, but Im too lazy and at work at the moment.

and lets not get into the whole problems with the fact that only one stat will be taken into account if you have strength or wisdom capped. (bug)

Wisdom increases resists and to a much smaller extent power. But strength is the primary stat which effects our power pool.

Anyone ever try getting real close to the WIS and STR camp and seeing if you get a real good power boost?

Eluzay · 10-18-2006, 07:07 PM

well I am an idiot.I needed new wrists anyway so went out and bucked up for 2 bracelets +18st +18agi +18 stam and omg ... I been gimpin my powerpool for far too long, bumped me up over 2700 power pool and 4700 health (level 55) ... very awsome... my int is capped in offensive mode so looks like I will be doing the str/agi thing with the rest of my gear... also, is 43% evasion good in Defensive stance?well glad I posted my ignorance here because I feel like a new man.. err lizzard.

Diern · 10-19-2006, 12:28 AM

Id definately choose wisdom/sta over AGI if I was you. As a shadowknight its actually a good thing that we get hit in combat.

xenocide85 · 10-20-2006, 09:44 PM

Diernes wrote:Id definately choose wisdom/sta over AGI if I was you. As a shadowknight its actually a good thing that we get hit in combat.

well that depends. situation A:, multiple mobs are attacking you so if more miss, you take less damage, and your ward will still, most likely, dissapiate before you can recast (still chain cast but it won't be up 24/7). Situation B: in PvP typically you will have lots of group encounters and conceivably its important for the same reason.

NEVERDIE9 · 10-21-2006, 01:59 PM

STR/STA/INT/AGI (: ... WIS is waste of stats IMO ! xb

Diern · 10-24-2006, 01:33 AM

not so sure about that, we are getting a stat increase and a resist revamp shortly

Baaloc · 10-24-2006, 01:49 AM

NEVERDIE9 wrote:
STR/STA/INT/AGI (: ... WIS is waste of stats IMO ! xb

You do realize WIS is half the contribution to your power pool, right? Not to mention it increases resists.

10-11-2006, 08:06 AM	#1
xenocide85 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 79	I've always gone with intelligence, and now i'm 44 w/ almost max int (at previous levels it was always maxed). however i can see the benefit in forming strategies around the other stats. what are you thoughts, experiences? and id like this to be open to discussion for any level of PvP, not just T7. Thanks. __________________ .:[ Dreadnaught Catastrophe ]:. .:[ 44 Shadowknight Nagafen ]:.

10-11-2006, 08:11 AM	#2
SillyMonk General Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: just east of insanity Posts: 82	I've always tried to boost Int, Sta, and Str as much as possible. Int for my casting dmg, Str for my melee dmg, and Sta for my hit points. __________________

10-11-2006, 10:03 AM	#4
Rylight Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 572	yeah im with silly monkey, I've been most of mine into str and sta, though lately I've been rethinking wis and gear with high resist. anyways I go with sta because I figure the more health I have the longer I live, plus the fact that as an sk I can replenish my health. __________________ Episode 2 part 2 of my MOVIE series, Rylight the chronicles of pain can be found here http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=screen&message.id=14051

10-12-2006, 02:43 AM	#6
Xanoth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Durham, UK Posts: 928	think most classes end game pick max health and STA when they can, im sure its as useful in PVP as it is for raids and weathering the AE or big hit. __________________ Xanoth Leader of Xanadu EQ2 Raid Loot Database

10-12-2006, 03:45 AM	#7
SillyMonk General Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: just east of insanity Posts: 82	Ramglobal wrote:Every time I see your sig "SillyMonkey" I get tired head and want to take a nap. It hurts my emotional state and I don't know why!!!!! Subliminal messaging built into the sig. This way, when I say something stupid (which I invariably do) you're to tired to respond to it. __________________

10-11-2006, 08:48 AM	#3
Ramglob General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 96	Every time I see your sig "SillyMonkey" I get tired head and want to take a nap. It hurts my emotional state and I don't know why!!!!!

10-12-2006, 01:07 AM	#5
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI

10-13-2006, 09:15 PM	#8
Eluzay Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 432	I personally go for the "tank mage" type of build, int, wis, sta, agil, str in that order.when you reach the stat cap on int start focusing on wis/sta gearwisdom beats out sta because it is both resists (damage mit) and power (the mage part) but sta is a close 3rd because of the whole hp thing, but due to our caress line hp is not as big of a deal as other "non healing tanks".

10-13-2006, 09:19 PM	#9
Eluzay Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 432	Diernes wrote:I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI different strokes for different folks I guess, because i have a str buff, and melee is only about 30% of my damage it goes to the bottom of the list. Because 1 resist is worth way more than a few extra hp i put wis before stam.pvp is about resisting and burst damage. I am 4,8,8 in my int AA's ... I drop a judgement, then while it is casting switch to symbol and drop the Int special on them, switch directly back to my sheild before judgement even goes off... it drops around 1000 to 1800 damage right now on someone without using our touch line. They are slowed and scared after that move, a lot of people think I just used my touch on them, which comes in handy because they dont run so readily so when they are down to 30% they drop with the touch if it is a close fight.

10-14-2006, 10:47 PM	#10
xenocide85 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 79	wait what? your Doom Judgement does 1000-1800? what lvl are you and how did you do that, please recap thanks __________________ .:[ Dreadnaught Catastrophe ]:. .:[ 44 Shadowknight Nagafen ]:.

10-15-2006, 10:09 PM	#11
Kazander13 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 86	I think he's talking about the wrath line...at least I hope so. __________________ Kazander Atredes Antonia Bayle

10-16-2006, 01:11 AM	#12
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	Eluzay wrote: Diernes wrote:I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI different strokes for different folks I guess, because i have a str buff, and melee is only about 30% of my damage it goes to the bottom of the list. Because 1 resist is worth way more than a few extra hp i put wis before stam.pvp is about resisting and burst damage. I am 4,8,8 in my int AA's ... I drop a judgement, then while it is casting switch to symbol and drop the Int special on them, switch directly back to my sheild before judgement even goes off... it drops around 1000 to 1800 damage right now on someone without using our touch line. They are slowed and scared after that move, a lot of people think I just used my touch on them, which comes in handy because they dont run so readily so when they are down to 30% they drop with the touch if it is a close fight. Yes, PVP is about resists and burst DPS.But melee damage is not the reason why I say strength. Auto attack damage isnt very substantial. But str is the main stat which governs our power pools. and most of our damage comes from our spells.You need intelligence to maximise spell damage.Stamina to survive long enough to use it.Wisdom will be taken care of from equipment, its well known that at high end resists are really scewerd in PVP, which is why they are changing the system and increasing caps. and agility is practically worthless for a shadowknight.Mages are getting owned at the high end currently because of these resists. Which is why I took my wis stats and moved them to sta. I resist a hell of a lot regardless. Message Edited by Diernes on 10-16-2006 10:32 AM

10-16-2006, 01:19 AM	#13
xenocide85 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 79	not true at lower levels, i mean i don't know if it's the best strat, (or even good lol), but if you maxed agi at lvl, say 27, with the pvp shield and in def stance, your avoidance would be between 60-80% AND you'd have 40-60% mitigated, talk about insane __________________ .:[ Dreadnaught Catastrophe ]:. .:[ 44 Shadowknight Nagafen ]:.

10-16-2006, 01:33 AM	#14
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	Yes, you really need to put things in perspective, the low end game is much different from the mid tier game which is different again from the high end

10-17-2006, 06:16 PM	#15
Eluzay Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 432	my combo does 1000 to 1800, I cast judgement and then switch to symbol while it is casting, before it goes off I que up legionares strike, when it completes i switch back to sheild... I call it a combo hit, takes about 2.5 seconds total cast time with only about 1 second without a shield up.

10-17-2006, 06:17 PM	#16
Eluzay Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 432	Diernes wrote: Eluzay wrote: Diernes wrote:I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI different strokes for different folks I guess, because i have a str buff, and melee is only about 30% of my damage it goes to the bottom of the list. Because 1 resist is worth way more than a few extra hp i put wis before stam.pvp is about resisting and burst damage. I am 4,8,8 in my int AA's ... I drop a judgement, then while it is casting switch to symbol and drop the Int special on them, switch directly back to my sheild before judgement even goes off... it drops around 1000 to 1800 damage right now on someone without using our touch line. They are slowed and scared after that move, a lot of people think I just used my touch on them, which comes in handy because they dont run so readily so when they are down to 30% they drop with the touch if it is a close fight. Yes, PVP is about resists and burst DPS.But melee damage is not the reason why I say strength. Auto attack damage isnt very substantial. But str is the main stat which governs our power pools. and most of our damage comes from our spells.You need intelligence to maximise spell damage.Stamina to survive long enough to use it.Wisdom will be taken care of from equipment, its well known that at high end resists are really scewerd in PVP, which is why they are changing the system and increasing caps. and agility is practically worthless for a shadowknight.Mages are getting owned at the high end currently because of these resists. Which is why I took my wis stats and moved them to sta. I resist a hell of a lot regardless. Message Edited by Diernes on 10-16-2006 10:32 AM wisdom is what governs power pool, not str

10-17-2006, 06:59 PM	#17
Xanoth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Durham, UK Posts: 928	Eluzay wrote:wisdom is what governs power pool, not str you sure your not a priest? __________________ Xanoth Leader of Xanadu EQ2 Raid Loot Database

10-17-2006, 08:19 PM	#18
xenocide85 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 79	Xanoth wrote: Eluzay wrote:wisdom is what governs power pool, not str you sure your not a priest? as far as SKs go, both STR and WIS increase your power pool. i have gotten the impression that the extent to which they do varies from lvl to lvl (though I'm not 100% on that). when i tested this somewhere near lvl 35, if i recall correctly, STR added approximately 2.5 power per point and WIS added 1.6. However, in all cases, STR most def adds more power than WIS. Message Edited by xenocide85 on 10-17-2006 09:19 AM __________________ .:[ Dreadnaught Catastrophe ]:. .:[ 44 Shadowknight Nagafen ]:.

10-17-2006, 08:34 PM	#19
Eluzay Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 432	xenocide85 wrote: Xanoth wrote: Eluzay wrote:wisdom is what governs power pool, not str you sure your not a priest? as far as SKs go, both STR and WIS increase your power pool. i have gotten the impression that the extent to which they do varies from lvl to lvl (though I'm not 100% on that). when i tested this somewhere near lvl 35, if i recall correctly, STR added approximately 2.5 power per point and WIS added 1.6. However, in all cases, STR most def adds more power than WIS. Message Edited by xenocide85 on 10-17-2006 09:19 AM hmm that is interesting, I moused over my stats when I started and dont remember seeing the str buffing mana, I will have to adjust apropriately ... not that I dont have a lot of str in my gear, just can always find more .

10-17-2006, 10:14 PM	#20
Xanoth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Durham, UK Posts: 928	xenocide85 wrote:asfar as SKs go, both STR and WIS increase your power pool. i havegotten the impression that the extent to which they do varies from lvlto lvl (though I'm not 100% on that). when i tested thissomewhere near lvl 35, if i recall correctly, STR added approximately2.5 power per point and WIS added 1.6. However, in all cases, STRmost def adds more power than WIS. depends on race and level for the exact amount of power given i think and is subject to change in EoF. but at the moment STR gives roughly twice the power than you get from WIS, if not more. __________________ Xanoth Leader of Xanadu EQ2 Raid Loot Database

10-17-2006, 10:56 PM	#21
xenocide85 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 79	ah that would make sense if it was partially race based... i am a high elf which i would assume to be wis based and so maybe thats my my str power : wis power isn't quite 2:1 __________________ .:[ Dreadnaught Catastrophe ]:. .:[ 44 Shadowknight Nagafen ]:.

10-18-2006, 01:35 AM	#22
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	Eluzay wrote: Diernes wrote: Eluzay wrote: Diernes wrote:I recently used my reforming stone to respec focussing on STA. I previously had focused on wis thinking it would benefit. At the moment the reality is that at the higher level game with decent equipment your resists will be RIDICULOUS regardlessSo far Im liking the change and I have a few hundred more HP to play with. You may think that power would be the best option, but Im finding in PVP battles Im running out of HP before I come lose too expending my power bar. The extra survivability gives me a chance to use it.For PVP Id say STR > INT > STA > WIS > AGI different strokes for different folks I guess, because i have a str buff, and melee is only about 30% of my damage it goes to the bottom of the list. Because 1 resist is worth way more than a few extra hp i put wis before stam.pvp is about resisting and burst damage. I am 4,8,8 in my int AA's ... I drop a judgement, then while it is casting switch to symbol and drop the Int special on them, switch directly back to my sheild before judgement even goes off... it drops around 1000 to 1800 damage right now on someone without using our touch line. They are slowed and scared after that move, a lot of people think I just used my touch on them, which comes in handy because they dont run so readily so when they are down to 30% they drop with the touch if it is a close fight. Yes, PVP is about resists and burst DPS.But melee damage is not the reason why I say strength. Auto attack damage isnt very substantial. But str is the main stat which governs our power pools. and most of our damage comes from our spells.You need intelligence to maximise spell damage.Stamina to survive long enough to use it.Wisdom will be taken care of from equipment, its well known that at high end resists are really scewerd in PVP, which is why they are changing the system and increasing caps. and agility is practically worthless for a shadowknight.Mages are getting owned at the high end currently because of these resists. Which is why I took my wis stats and moved them to sta. I resist a hell of a lot regardless. Message Edited by Diernes on 10-16-2006 10:32 AM wisdom is what governs power pool, not str Sorry, that is incorrect. Strength is the primary attribute for crusaders which governs our power pools, 75% if I remmember correctly. Wisdom does effect power but to a much lesser extent. 25% or so. (dont quote me)Id dig up a developer post which states this explicitly, but Im too lazy and at work at the moment.and lets not get into the whole problems with the fact that only one stat will be taken into account if you have strength or wisdom capped. (bug)Wisdom increases resists and to a much smaller extent power. But strength is the primary stat which effects our power pool.

10-18-2006, 02:49 PM	#23
Xanoth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Durham, UK Posts: 928	xenocide85 wrote:ah that would make sense if it was partially race based... i am a highelf which i would assume to be wis based and so maybe thats my my strpower : wis power isn't quite 2:1 only the exact number is determined by race, the ratio stays the same. reason being that those races with a higher racial stat shouldn't have an advantage at the cap than those with lower. stat cap is the same for every race. so its only at the lower end they have a bonus. __________________ Xanoth Leader of Xanadu EQ2 Raid Loot Database

10-18-2006, 05:55 PM	#24
Kryptonix Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 206	Diernes wrote: Sorry, that is incorrect. Strength is the primary attribute for crusaders which governs our power pools, 75% if I remmember correctly. Wisdom does effect power but to a much lesser extent. 25% or so. (dont quote me) Id dig up a developer post which states this explicitly, but Im too lazy and at work at the moment. and lets not get into the whole problems with the fact that only one stat will be taken into account if you have strength or wisdom capped. (bug) Wisdom increases resists and to a much smaller extent power. But strength is the primary stat which effects our power pool. Anyone ever try getting real close to the WIS and STR camp and seeing if you get a real good power boost?

10-18-2006, 07:07 PM	#25
Eluzay Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 432	well I am an idiot.I needed new wrists anyway so went out and bucked up for 2 bracelets +18st +18agi +18 stam and omg ... I been gimpin my powerpool for far too long, bumped me up over 2700 power pool and 4700 health (level 55) ... very awsome... my int is capped in offensive mode so looks like I will be doing the str/agi thing with the rest of my gear... also, is 43% evasion good in Defensive stance?well glad I posted my ignorance here because I feel like a new man.. err lizzard.

10-19-2006, 12:28 AM	#26
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	Id definately choose wisdom/sta over AGI if I was you. As a shadowknight its actually a good thing that we get hit in combat.

10-20-2006, 09:44 PM	#27
xenocide85 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 79	Diernes wrote:Id definately choose wisdom/sta over AGI if I was you. As a shadowknight its actually a good thing that we get hit in combat. well that depends. situation A:, multiple mobs are attacking you so if more miss, you take less damage, and your ward will still, most likely, dissapiate before you can recast (still chain cast but it won't be up 24/7). Situation B: in PvP typically you will have lots of group encounters and conceivably its important for the same reason. __________________ .:[ Dreadnaught Catastrophe ]:. .:[ 44 Shadowknight Nagafen ]:.

10-21-2006, 01:59 PM	#28
NEVERDIE9 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 29	STR/STA/INT/AGI (: ... WIS is waste of stats IMO ! xb __________________ First Wood Elf Shadowknight of Darathar PVP server - Now Playing on Nagafen PVP Server

10-24-2006, 01:33 AM	#29
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	not so sure about that, we are getting a stat increase and a resist revamp shortly

10-24-2006, 01:49 AM	#30
Baaloc Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 20	NEVERDIE9 wrote: STR/STA/INT/AGI (: ... WIS is waste of stats IMO ! xb You do realize WIS is half the contribution to your power pool, right? Not to mention it increases resists.