Monk or Bruiser for raid?

maluv · 03-28-2005, 01:55 PM

Was just wondering from the lv50's which is more preferred for raids? a Monk or a Bruiser? maybe they the same? haha dunno, plz input i love it :smileywink:

Wondering which to pick a monk or a bruiser, like both but i dont know how the high-end is like wether there is a big difference, or just the fact that there are less bruiser..

Gage... i know u have something to say.. gimmie some info!

Thanks

Gaige · 03-28-2005, 02:03 PM

Up until the patch bruisers were more wanted for Shrug Off. I'm not sure about now, but probably them as their DPS is better.

I wouldn't say that either of us is *needed* for a raid though atm.

The one thing we have going for us imho is that we are melee who can wield all 3 damage types.

maluv · 03-28-2005, 08:39 PM

Do monks get anything along the line of Shrug off? or something different..?

TBHt · 03-28-2005, 08:43 PM

Monks get martial discipline which increases the targets' avoidance.

Select · 03-28-2005, 08:56 PM

Transcendant Vision is a monks main raid buff for the MT. It increases avoidance 42%(adept 3) on yer target, raises your deflection and tranquility skill as well. It doesnt show the increase in stats window, but ask the MT to log the fight and youll see quite a few messages of Ubermob01 tries to hit MT, but Monk blocks, etc etc.

maluv · 03-28-2005, 09:09 PM

o ok.. so monks buff = to bruiser? or bruiser better? :smileyvery-happy:

they sound bout right, but i think i'd personaly like the bruisers one more =P but they prolly both stack huh?

Velor · 03-28-2005, 09:27 PM

As stated previously, before the latest patch, there was no question that Bruisers were more desireable for high end raids because Shrug Off was such an amazing secondary buff. Now that it's been changed to be more in line with our best secondary buff, Transcendent Vision, you can take your pick for either one.

I still want to see more data from the tank I usually raid with to better gauge the effectiveness of TV though. I just don't like not being able to see it's primary benefit for myself, assuming it's working as intended.

Select · 03-28-2005, 09:32 PM

Im pretty sure they dont "stack" persay like other buffs, but yes they can both be cast the same target, but it wouldnt result in 84% avoidance, it would more likely just stay as the monk has 42% chance to block a hit and the bruiser would have a 42% to block as well.(and by using 42%, Im assuming thats the chance you have to block the hits, but being as it doesnt show up in any of the viewable values for any of the characters, I could be wrong). But [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] good buffs anyhow.

maluv · 03-28-2005, 09:36 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmm.....

only thing i have problem with if i went bruiser. would be the evil market, heard it su><0rs and i would not want to pay that extra 20 or 40% to the black market broker :smileysad:

Ili · 03-28-2005, 11:36 PM

You pay for black market stuff regardless of if you're good or evil, if you want stuff from the other city.

-Ilina

maluv · 03-29-2005, 01:47 AM

Yea, but theres more of a market in Qeynos... so therefore less reason to buy things from the black market.. right?

Gaige · 03-29-2005, 01:54 AM

Not really.

SageMarrow · 03-29-2005, 04:05 AM

Up until the patch bruisers were more wanted for Shrug Off. I'm not sure about now, but probably them as their DPS is better.

I wouldn't say that either of us is *needed* for a raid though atm.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __

We will never be **needed** for a raid at the rate you got us going....

we darn sure wont be the preffered tank...

Wiou · 03-29-2005, 04:06 AM

Bruisers. But either one that's available? Or both? Raids consist of many players.... Monks are better tanks than bruisers, but bruisers do more damage than monks. If neither would play the tank role for a raid, which one would you chose if you had to? Bruisers.

SageMarrow · 03-29-2005, 04:07 AM

and yes - freeports market sucks because no one makes a character from freeport because just about all of them except bruisers are gimped ATM...oh and berserkers are okay - but they still got more broken arts than a handful..

fury

defiler

Shadowknights...

bruisers and berserkers are on the right track though.

Wiou · 03-29-2005, 04:10 AM

Second on the freeport market sucking

03-28-2005, 01:55 PM	#1
maluv Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 41	Was just wondering from the lv50's which is more preferred for raids? a Monk or a Bruiser? maybe they the same? haha dunno, plz input i love it :smileywink: Wondering which to pick a monk or a bruiser, like both but i dont know how the high-end is like wether there is a big difference, or just the fact that there are less bruiser.. Gage... i know u have something to say.. gimmie some info! Thanks __________________ >Numm Chukz 35th Halfling Monk - Permafrost< Ssythur 61st Iksar Monk - EQ1 Guppen 60th Halfling Druid - EQ1 Oogagok 52nd Ogre Warrior - EQ1 Maluvin 36th Half Elf Bard - EQ1 Xev Server

03-28-2005, 02:03 PM	#2
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Up until the patch bruisers were more wanted for Shrug Off. I'm not sure about now, but probably them as their DPS is better. I wouldn't say that either of us is needed for a raid though atm. The one thing we have going for us imho is that we are melee who can wield all 3 damage types. __________________

03-28-2005, 08:39 PM	#3
maluv Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 41	Do monks get anything along the line of Shrug off? or something different..? __________________ >Numm Chukz 35th Halfling Monk - Permafrost< Ssythur 61st Iksar Monk - EQ1 Guppen 60th Halfling Druid - EQ1 Oogagok 52nd Ogre Warrior - EQ1 Maluvin 36th Half Elf Bard - EQ1 Xev Server

03-28-2005, 08:43 PM	#4
TBHt Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 48	Monks get martial discipline which increases the targets' avoidance. __________________

03-28-2005, 09:09 PM	#6
maluv Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 41	o ok.. so monks buff = to bruiser? or bruiser better? :smileyvery-happy: they sound bout right, but i think i'd personaly like the bruisers one more =P but they prolly both stack huh? __________________ >Numm Chukz 35th Halfling Monk - Permafrost< Ssythur 61st Iksar Monk - EQ1 Guppen 60th Halfling Druid - EQ1 Oogagok 52nd Ogre Warrior - EQ1 Maluvin 36th Half Elf Bard - EQ1 Xev Server

03-28-2005, 08:56 PM	#5
Select Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	Transcendant Vision is a monks main raid buff for the MT. It increases avoidance 42%(adept 3) on yer target, raises your deflection and tranquility skill as well. It doesnt show the increase in stats window, but ask the MT to log the fight and youll see quite a few messages of Ubermob01 tries to hit MT, but Monk blocks, etc etc.

03-28-2005, 09:27 PM	#7
Velor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 166	As stated previously, before the latest patch, there was no question that Bruisers were more desireable for high end raids because Shrug Off was such an amazing secondary buff. Now that it's been changed to be more in line with our best secondary buff, Transcendent Vision, you can take your pick for either one. I still want to see more data from the tank I usually raid with to better gauge the effectiveness of TV though. I just don't like not being able to see it's primary benefit for myself, assuming it's working as intended.

03-28-2005, 09:32 PM	#8
Select Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	Im pretty sure they dont "stack" persay like other buffs, but yes they can both be cast the same target, but it wouldnt result in 84% avoidance, it would more likely just stay as the monk has 42% chance to block a hit and the bruiser would have a 42% to block as well.(and by using 42%, Im assuming thats the chance you have to block the hits, but being as it doesnt show up in any of the viewable values for any of the characters, I could be wrong). But [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] good buffs anyhow.

03-28-2005, 09:36 PM	#9
maluv Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 41	Hmmmmmmmmmm..... only thing i have problem with if i went bruiser. would be the evil market, heard it su><0rs and i would not want to pay that extra 20 or 40% to the black market broker :smileysad: __________________ >Numm Chukz 35th Halfling Monk - Permafrost< Ssythur 61st Iksar Monk - EQ1 Guppen 60th Halfling Druid - EQ1 Oogagok 52nd Ogre Warrior - EQ1 Maluvin 36th Half Elf Bard - EQ1 Xev Server

03-28-2005, 11:36 PM	#10
Ili Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 119	You pay for black market stuff regardless of if you're good or evil, if you want stuff from the other city. -Ilina

03-29-2005, 01:47 AM	#11
maluv Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 41	Yea, but theres more of a market in Qeynos... so therefore less reason to buy things from the black market.. right? __________________ >Numm Chukz 35th Halfling Monk - Permafrost< Ssythur 61st Iksar Monk - EQ1 Guppen 60th Halfling Druid - EQ1 Oogagok 52nd Ogre Warrior - EQ1 Maluvin 36th Half Elf Bard - EQ1 Xev Server

03-29-2005, 01:54 AM	#12
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Not really. __________________

03-29-2005, 04:05 AM	#13
SageMarrow Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 958	Up until the patch bruisers were more wanted for Shrug Off. I'm not sure about now, but probably them as their DPS is better. I wouldn't say that either of us is needed for a raid though atm. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __ We will never be needed for a raid at the rate you got us going.... we darn sure wont be the preffered tank...

03-29-2005, 04:06 AM	#14
Wiou Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 672	Bruisers. But either one that's available? Or both? Raids consist of many players.... Monks are better tanks than bruisers, but bruisers do more damage than monks. If neither would play the tank role for a raid, which one would you chose if you had to? Bruisers.

03-29-2005, 04:07 AM	#15
SageMarrow Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 958	and yes - freeports market sucks because no one makes a character from freeport because just about all of them except bruisers are gimped ATM...oh and berserkers are okay - but they still got more broken arts than a handful.. fury defiler Shadowknights... bruisers and berserkers are on the right track though.

03-29-2005, 04:10 AM	#16
Wiou Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 672	Second on the freeport market sucking