If Fairys and Vampires Fly, Can Froglok/Sarnak Leap?

Talathion · 07-17-2011, 02:46 AM

Saw a post with this and wanted to know.

(maybe kerra too).

LordPazuzu · 07-17-2011, 03:10 AM

You mean like the leaping mounts? That's ridiculous. The fairies have wings, the vampires can turn into winged creatures, thus flight. Frogs and Sarnak still have plain old humanoid legs.

Talathion · 07-17-2011, 03:46 AM

Meaghan@Lucan DLere wrote:

You mean like the leaping mounts? That's ridiculous. The fairies have wings, the vampires can turn into winged creatures, thus flight. Frogs and Sarnak still have plain old humanoid legs.

eh? so?

Cusashorn · 07-17-2011, 04:24 AM

Frogloks don't have leg muscles that powerful, and they aren't imbued with magic like with the excuse the bugs are getting. The Sarnak were never designed for jumping, nor would it be fair to any of the other races, who have nothing to give them a special ability like gliding or leaping or flying.

Ryai · 07-17-2011, 04:38 AM

Because raptors and terrorbirds mesh perfectly with game lore. As for fairness, that was out the window when they announced flight for fae. And it's not ridiculous. They're FROGS. Leaping froglocks would be one of the most awesome features ever released(even appearance). Please do this.

Tigress · 07-17-2011, 05:12 AM

if i understood it correctly, arasai and fae are going to be able to "HIDE MOUNT", which means that they still need to achieve level 85 and then go thru that whole questline. there's nothing "unfair" abt it. its silly that they need a mount to fly and now that flying is in the game, it seems like the right thing to do.

vampires turn into bats but dont they have to be level 85 too?

Earrindo · 07-17-2011, 11:51 AM

The fae/arasai flying quest will be just like the freeblood one, must be lvl 85/86 and complete the quest just like everybody else who did the quest for the griffon. Theres nothing unfair about it, its just an aesthetic/lore thing. What it boils down to is that if you want to fly, either buy a pegasus or do a drawn out questline. period.

if you want to leap, get a leaper mount. its not nearly as time consuming a quest as the flying mount.

Wingrider01 · 07-17-2011, 12:05 PM

Cyan@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Because raptors and terrorbirds mesh perfectly with game lore. As for fairness, that was out the window when they announced flight for fae. And it's not ridiculous. They're FROGS. Leaping froglocks would be one of the most awesome features ever released(even appearance). Please do this.

you can have that as long as my griffon and terror bird can put your frog on the dollar menu for lunch. Please do this

katalmach · 07-17-2011, 03:37 PM

You know what, I think leaping frogloks is a great idea. I don't even play any froglok characters, but I genuinely think letting frogloks leap (after a quest, much like the fae will have to do), would be really fun. Fully support the idea!

Lalen · 07-17-2011, 05:37 PM

Cyan@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Because raptors and terrorbirds mesh perfectly with game lore. As for fairness, that was out the window when they announced flight for fae. And it's not ridiculous. They're FROGS. Leaping froglocks would be one of the most awesome features ever released(even appearance). Please do this.

LOL - long as they take some fall damage SMILEY It would be rather humerous seeing froglocks hurling through the air.

Kalandilly · 07-17-2011, 05:59 PM

You already know I think this is a great idea ! I just don't understand why some folks think frogs don't jump all of a sudden , now I would never expect to see a dinosaur jump period , let alone see kemonodragons glide . Frogs jump , that's just reality .

Talathion · 07-17-2011, 08:25 PM

The power of marr gives them the power of "hop" the ability to leap through the air!!11

Eveningsong · 07-17-2011, 09:21 PM

I'm not sure about the lizards, but I think it would be awesome for frogloks (and I don't play either races ). Good idea

ttobey · 07-18-2011, 01:14 AM

I would hope sarnak leap right off of norrath and return to the home planet.

Morghus · 07-18-2011, 01:31 AM

ttobey wrote:

I would hope sarnak leap right off of norrath and return to the home planet.

Aww, just find a way to get their animations to sync with the others! They can totally look good with a properly straight(er) back, the raptor mounted animation is proof!

Lethe5683 · 07-18-2011, 01:52 AM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Saw a post with this and wanted to know.
(maybe kerra too).

No. And why the hell would sarnak or kerra be able to jump at all higher than normal?

Cusashorn · 07-18-2011, 02:02 AM

He figures the whole "Cats always land on their feet" and "are good jumpers" thing. That applies to the quadraped animals known as cats, not the bipedal race known as Kerra who are only feline in appearance.

carpe_caminus · 07-18-2011, 02:54 AM

I wish Halflings had innate safefall. I mean those big feet gotta be good for something...

Talathion · 07-18-2011, 04:45 AM

carpe_caminus wrote:

I wish Halflings had innate safefall. I mean those big feet gotta be good for something...

Halflings will get:

THE PIE CANNON...

MrWolfie · 07-18-2011, 07:35 AM

Cusashorn wrote:

He figures the whole "Cats always land on their feet" and "are good jumpers" thing. That applies to the quadraped animals known as cats, not the bipedal race known as Kerra who are only feline in appearance.

That'll be why Kerra get innate safefall then. SMILEY

Valentina · 07-18-2011, 12:27 PM

I do think this is a bit of a slippery slope... on the one hand, we're told racial traits are going to be reworked and that they should be relatively minor bonuses... on the other hand, we're definitely giving three races (fae/arasai/vampires) the ability to fly without a mount, and talking about giving another the ability to leap without same. I do think it may lead to a lot of issues and questions (If fae can fly, then shouldn't my high elf get _____? etc.), and am not sure it's a great idea for that reason. Many of the people I know would prefer to be able to fly without having to ride a mount (superman image not withstanding).

GussJr · 07-18-2011, 12:36 PM

Man, I miss the old days when we didn't have all of the "I want this because they got that" mentality...oh wait, nevermind...this is how it has always been...

Valentina · 07-18-2011, 03:03 PM

GussJr wrote:

Man, I miss the old days when we didn't have all of the "I want this because they got that" mentality...oh wait, nevermind...this is how it has always been...

Yeah, it really has always been that way. SMILEY I'm not saying that's a good thing... just that the backlash will come. It's a bit understandable that people might get upset if race selection suddenly becomes more important, 8 years in. (I'm thinking of the same outrage with the first or second racial traits revamp, where some races got much better abilities than others)

Ryai · 07-19-2011, 12:10 AM

Giving frogloks an appearance mount that functions like a hidemount feature with leapers is hardly an important gameplay advantage. Its purely cosmetic.

Cusashorn · 07-19-2011, 12:24 AM

Aemm@Splitpaw wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
He figures the whole "Cats always land on their feet" and "are good jumpers" thing. That applies to the quadraped animals known as cats, not the bipedal race known as Kerra who are only feline in appearance.
That'll be why Kerra get innate safefall then.

Isn't a limited safe fall already one of their racial traits?

Lethe5683 · 07-19-2011, 08:05 AM

Aemm@Splitpaw wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
He figures the whole "Cats always land on their feet" and "are good jumpers" thing. That applies to the quadraped animals known as cats, not the bipedal race known as Kerra who are only feline in appearance.
That'll be why Kerra get innate safefall then.

Because of erroneous and baseless associations?

Hamervelder · 07-19-2011, 10:54 AM

ttobey wrote:

I would hope sarnak leap right off of norrath and return to the home planet.

Me too. They're hideous. No offense. SMILEY

Vlahkmaak · 07-19-2011, 05:34 PM

Can trolls get back 500 hp in combat health regen + enhanced AA's for troll regen too?

Morghus · 07-19-2011, 05:39 PM

Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote:

ttobey wrote:
I would hope sarnak leap right off of norrath and return to the home planet.
Me too. They're hideous. No offense.

kelvmor · 07-19-2011, 09:29 PM

IMO, y'all should've scrapped the Sarnak and just introduced droag as a playable race. Rework the models and whatnot.

07-17-2011, 03:46 AM	#3
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Meaghan@Lucan DLere wrote: You mean like the leaping mounts? That's ridiculous. The fairies have wings, the vampires can turn into winged creatures, thus flight. Frogs and Sarnak still have plain old humanoid legs. eh? so?

07-17-2011, 12:05 PM	#8
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Cyan@Antonia Bayle wrote: Because raptors and terrorbirds mesh perfectly with game lore. As for fairness, that was out the window when they announced flight for fae. And it's not ridiculous. They're FROGS. Leaping froglocks would be one of the most awesome features ever released(even appearance). Please do this. you can have that as long as my griffon and terror bird can put your frog on the dollar menu for lunch. Please do this __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

07-17-2011, 05:37 PM	#10
Lalen Server: Everfrost Guild: Divine Reapers Rank: Elder Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 766	Cyan@Antonia Bayle wrote: Because raptors and terrorbirds mesh perfectly with game lore. As for fairness, that was out the window when they announced flight for fae. And it's not ridiculous. They're FROGS. Leaping froglocks would be one of the most awesome features ever released(even appearance). Please do this. LOL - long as they take some fall damage It would be rather humerous seeing froglocks hurling through the air. __________________ Quote: Patch Notes All ground mounts have received a large boost in speed. So they can now outrun FLYING mounts in the air? EPIC FAIL

07-18-2011, 01:14 AM	#14
ttobey Developer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,126	I would hope sarnak leap right off of norrath and return to the home planet. __________________ Tom Tobey Sr. Animator EverQuest 2

07-18-2011, 01:31 AM	#15
Morghus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,105	ttobey wrote: I would hope sarnak leap right off of norrath and return to the home planet. Aww, just find a way to get their animations to sync with the others! They can totally look good with a properly straight(er) back, the raptor mounted animation is proof!

07-17-2011, 02:46 AM	#1
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Saw a post with this and wanted to know. (maybe kerra too).

07-17-2011, 03:10 AM	#2
LordPazuzu Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,157	You mean like the leaping mounts? That's ridiculous. The fairies have wings, the vampires can turn into winged creatures, thus flight. Frogs and Sarnak still have plain old humanoid legs.

07-17-2011, 04:24 AM	#4
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Frogloks don't have leg muscles that powerful, and they aren't imbued with magic like with the excuse the bugs are getting. The Sarnak were never designed for jumping, nor would it be fair to any of the other races, who have nothing to give them a special ability like gliding or leaping or flying.

07-17-2011, 04:38 AM	#5
Ryai Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Paper Tigers Rank: Kun (Alts) Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 314	Because raptors and terrorbirds mesh perfectly with game lore. As for fairness, that was out the window when they announced flight for fae. And it's not ridiculous. They're FROGS. Leaping froglocks would be one of the most awesome features ever released(even appearance). Please do this.

07-17-2011, 05:12 AM	#6
Tigress Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,739	if i understood it correctly, arasai and fae are going to be able to "HIDE MOUNT", which means that they still need to achieve level 85 and then go thru that whole questline. there's nothing "unfair" abt it. its silly that they need a mount to fly and now that flying is in the game, it seems like the right thing to do. vampires turn into bats but dont they have to be level 85 too?

07-17-2011, 11:51 AM	#7
Earrindo Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 102	The fae/arasai flying quest will be just like the freeblood one, must be lvl 85/86 and complete the quest just like everybody else who did the quest for the griffon. Theres nothing unfair about it, its just an aesthetic/lore thing. What it boils down to is that if you want to fly, either buy a pegasus or do a drawn out questline. period. if you want to leap, get a leaper mount. its not nearly as time consuming a quest as the flying mount.

07-17-2011, 03:37 PM	#9
katalmach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 275	You know what, I think leaping frogloks is a great idea. I don't even play any froglok characters, but I genuinely think letting frogloks leap (after a quest, much like the fae will have to do), would be really fun. Fully support the idea!

07-17-2011, 05:59 PM	#11
Kalandilly Server: Crushbone Guild: Diadochus Rank: Tai Pan Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 36	You already know I think this is a great idea ! I just don't understand why some folks think frogs don't jump all of a sudden , now I would never expect to see a dinosaur jump period , let alone see kemonodragons glide . Frogs jump , that's just reality .

07-17-2011, 08:25 PM	#12
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	The power of marr gives them the power of "hop" the ability to leap through the air!!11

07-17-2011, 09:21 PM	#13
Eveningsong Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,844	I'm not sure about the lizards, but I think it would be awesome for frogloks (and I don't play either races ). Good idea

07-18-2011, 01:52 AM	#16
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: Saw a post with this and wanted to know. (maybe kerra too). No. And why the hell would sarnak or kerra be able to jump at all higher than normal?

07-18-2011, 02:02 AM	#17
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	He figures the whole "Cats always land on their feet" and "are good jumpers" thing. That applies to the quadraped animals known as cats, not the bipedal race known as Kerra who are only feline in appearance.

07-18-2011, 02:54 AM	#18
carpe_caminus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 166	I wish Halflings had innate safefall. I mean those big feet gotta be good for something...

07-18-2011, 04:45 AM	#19
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	carpe_caminus wrote: I wish Halflings had innate safefall. I mean those big feet gotta be good for something... Halflings will get: THE PIE CANNON...

07-18-2011, 07:35 AM	#20
MrWolfie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Agent of Chaos Guildhall, North Qeynos, Splitpaw. Posts: 1,239	Cusashorn wrote: He figures the whole "Cats always land on their feet" and "are good jumpers" thing. That applies to the quadraped animals known as cats, not the bipedal race known as Kerra who are only feline in appearance. That'll be why Kerra get innate safefall then. __________________

07-18-2011, 12:27 PM	#21
Valentina Server: Butcherblock Guild: House of Fallen Shadows Rank: Empress Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 509	I do think this is a bit of a slippery slope... on the one hand, we're told racial traits are going to be reworked and that they should be relatively minor bonuses... on the other hand, we're definitely giving three races (fae/arasai/vampires) the ability to fly without a mount, and talking about giving another the ability to leap without same. I do think it may lead to a lot of issues and questions (If fae can fly, then shouldn't my high elf get _____? etc.), and am not sure it's a great idea for that reason. Many of the people I know would prefer to be able to fly without having to ride a mount (superman image not withstanding).

07-18-2011, 12:36 PM	#22
GussJr Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,061	Man, I miss the old days when we didn't have all of the "I want this because they got that" mentality...oh wait, nevermind...this is how it has always been... __________________ Collametta, 91 HE Ranger, 90 Mstr Armorer Siame, 90 K. Zerk, 90 Alchemist Palayna, 34 Fae Monk, 90 Master Carpenter Beastmastress, 90 WE BL, 31 Prov

07-18-2011, 03:03 PM	#23
Valentina Server: Butcherblock Guild: House of Fallen Shadows Rank: Empress Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 509	GussJr wrote: Man, I miss the old days when we didn't have all of the "I want this because they got that" mentality...oh wait, nevermind...this is how it has always been... Yeah, it really has always been that way. I'm not saying that's a good thing... just that the backlash will come. It's a bit understandable that people might get upset if race selection suddenly becomes more important, 8 years in. (I'm thinking of the same outrage with the first or second racial traits revamp, where some races got much better abilities than others)

07-19-2011, 12:10 AM	#24
Ryai Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Paper Tigers Rank: Kun (Alts) Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 314	Giving frogloks an appearance mount that functions like a hidemount feature with leapers is hardly an important gameplay advantage. Its purely cosmetic.

07-19-2011, 12:24 AM	#25
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Aemm@Splitpaw wrote: Cusashorn wrote: He figures the whole "Cats always land on their feet" and "are good jumpers" thing. That applies to the quadraped animals known as cats, not the bipedal race known as Kerra who are only feline in appearance. That'll be why Kerra get innate safefall then. Isn't a limited safe fall already one of their racial traits?

07-19-2011, 08:05 AM	#26
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Aemm@Splitpaw wrote: Cusashorn wrote: He figures the whole "Cats always land on their feet" and "are good jumpers" thing. That applies to the quadraped animals known as cats, not the bipedal race known as Kerra who are only feline in appearance. That'll be why Kerra get innate safefall then. Because of erroneous and baseless associations?

07-19-2011, 10:54 AM	#27
Hamervelder Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,585	ttobey wrote: I would hope sarnak leap right off of norrath and return to the home planet. Me too. They're hideous. No offense. __________________ Elhonas Warden of Mayhem, Antonia Bayle

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07-19-2011, 05:39 PM	#29
Morghus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,105	Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote: ttobey wrote: I would hope sarnak leap right off of norrath and return to the home planet. Me too. They're hideous. No offense.

07-19-2011, 09:29 PM	#30
kelvmor Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,036	IMO, y'all should've scrapped the Sarnak and just introduced droag as a playable race. Rework the models and whatnot.