Fallen Swords Sig Line.. part two?

xpraetorianx · 07-21-2011, 05:34 AM

So I have heard some chatter about their being a part two to the Fallen Swords Signature Quest Line. Is there any truth to this?

Luhai · 07-21-2011, 08:06 AM

Well yes, there is. I dont't exactly remember which NPC started it, maybe the Duality in Thurgadin.The 2nd part leads you into the Drunder group instances.

The mage cloak reward has exactly the same stats as the one dropped by Tserrina in the Tower raid instance.

xpraetorianx · 07-26-2011, 07:57 AM

I'm sorry quest team and itemization guy... but this questline is HARDER to complete IMO than the x2 raid zone or even the X4 raid zone is for the Easy Mode version of this cloak. Just running around Kael is a pain by itself. The reward is rather bland..

I would really like to suggest that this cloak be reitemized to be a bit better than those cloaks. Infact... I think it should honestly compete with the HM cloaks a bit I think... even the neck item isnt better than the neck item you get from a easy mode raid encounter... come on these rewards need to be a bit better than this imo.

Whatever happened to large signature quest items actually giving you something that could be considered a best in slot item? There hasnt been anything of the sorts since the Mythical quests in ROK... SF expansion had something like that but it had you get kill updates in raid zones.

Let's get some more love for some best in slot item for large questlines... especially one as integral as this one is right now in the Lore the of game....

Loranthala · 07-26-2011, 10:32 AM

Its a heroic quest, no matter how difficult it may be. It shouldn't reward loot on par [Removed for Content] HM raid encounters.

Gaealiege · 07-26-2011, 09:36 PM

Calm down. The cloak nor the neck are the final rewards. When Shard of War goes in there is a part 3 to this quest.

xpraetorianx · 08-07-2011, 10:51 PM

I would have to disagree. The length of the quest and the requirement IMO is more of a hassle than popping into a raid zone and killing a few easy named. Perhaps the item shouldnt be as good as HM loot but it should atleast be slightly better than the EM version. The neck and cloak are pretty much the exact same as the EM raid dropped loot that you can three group with toons geared up in Legendary DOV gear.

So I personally stand by my point that the requirements of this questline should put it a bit better than the EM raid dropped loot. I don't personally need the items rewarded but just as a general point I think the effort required should yield a better reward stat wise...atleast give it a cool appearance effect or something lol. Throw us questers a bone here item guys!!!

Btw, where was it mentioned that there is a part three to the quest line? I have paused on finishing the questline for the cloak reward for now but is there hints at more when you finish this part of the quest?

Loranthala · 08-08-2011, 02:52 AM

You're simply wrong. The most effort you're putting into that quest is putting together a 6 person group. Thus, the best reward you should get is heroic quality loot. Sure, make it better than anything that drops in those heroic zones, but there's no reason why it should be identical to EM loot (as it is now) or anything close to challenge mode loot.

Tigress · 08-08-2011, 07:32 AM

maybe this will help

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Falle...Swords_Timeline

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Falle...:_From_the_Edge

xpraetorianx · 08-09-2011, 05:40 AM

Saying I'm wrong for my opinion is just idiotic. I disagree that special questlines like these shouldn't yield better rewards. If you have a problem because it stays in heroic instances then fine. Maybe the Dev team could consider adding raid steps to these questlines for slightly better rewards. Personally I miss the long signature, epic questlines that were found in passed expansions like the Pris 1.0, 2.0, Swords of Destiny, Player Epics.... even the really simple "kill raid mobs for t3 items" from Sentinel's fate were "ok".

Back to the topic though. I don't see a Part three anywhere. The neckless was Part 1, The cloak is part 2... where is this part 3?

Leovinus · 08-09-2011, 09:43 AM

xpraetorianx wrote:

Saying I'm wrong for my opinion is just idiotic. I disagree that special questlines like these shouldn't yield better rewards. If you have a problem because it stays in heroic instances then fine. Maybe the Dev team could consider adding raid steps to these questlines for slightly better rewards. Personally I miss the long signature, epic questlines that were found in passed expansions like the Pris 1.0, 2.0, Swords of Destiny, Player Epics.... even the really simple "kill raid mobs for t3 items" from Sentinel's fate were "ok".
Back to the topic though. I don't see a Part three anywhere. The neckless was Part 1, The cloak is part 2... where is this part 3?

That's because 61 isn't out yet (as is what someone earlier in the thread said). I'm not sure whether there'll be a continuation in this GU or not though, as I don't remember seeing it called out in the patch notes. Still, if they remain true to course, the chance is that we'll be seeing an extension of the line where the majority of the quest is done in the new heroic Plane of War zone.

Loranthala · 08-09-2011, 06:42 PM

xpraetorianx wrote:

Saying I'm wrong for my opinion is just idiotic. I disagree that special questlines like these shouldn't yield better rewards. If you have a problem because it stays in heroic instances then fine. Maybe the Dev team could consider adding raid steps to these questlines for slightly better rewards. Personally I miss the long signature, epic questlines that were found in passed expansions like the Pris 1.0, 2.0, Swords of Destiny, Player Epics.... even the really simple "kill raid mobs for t3 items" from Sentinel's fate were "ok".

Those were EPIC quests that required killing EPIC mobs, thus deserved to reward raid quality loot. These are HEROIC quests that are rewarding raid quality loot, and that is imbalanced.

Yimway · 08-10-2011, 12:52 PM

[requested troll]

Why would a reward from a heroic questline include a red-slot adornment? Cause thats basically what your asking for when you want a cloak better than EM right?

[/requested troll]

Talathion · 08-10-2011, 04:13 PM

Who cares about questing anymore, they arn't worth doing, just do PQs.

xpraetorianx · 08-10-2011, 07:52 PM

I will post it again for those who didnt read the thread. If you have issue with the zones being "heroic" then fine. Maybe the dev team can add raid steps to upgrade said items.

Now, I will take a stab in the dark and assume no one in this thread has been through the "hard mode" heroic version of Tors have you? The drops in that zone rival most raid dropped loot from EM or HM instances. I do believe that invalidates any of your "its heroic" rebuttles.

Loranthala · 08-10-2011, 08:51 PM

Zek HM is intended to challenge raid-geared players, it wasn't built for heroic geared players. So logic fail once again.

I have no issue with the zones being heroic. I have issues with some guy on the forums saying that his EM raid quality loot isn't good enough for his HEROIC quest, and he wants better. The rewards are more than on par for the difficulty of the quest. If you want better, go raid.

xpraetorianx · 08-10-2011, 09:29 PM

Well Simon.... I do raid. I raid quite extensively in both EQ2 and Rift. Probably more raiding than you would think. I do afterall run a raiding website hence my "fansite" staff tag on my name. You are apparently refusing to concede that I already conceded the fact about people having issues with them being 6-man instances. So I did infact state that if that is the case then long quest lines like these should have IMO a raid part that allows a better item to be acquired. You forget that Kael used to be ALOT harder than it is currently. That is if you ever went into that zone before they changed it. I completed part one when that zone was pretty nasty.

Myself being a complete gamer.. I want to both experience the end game and the normal game. Rather than just the more shallow raid only aspect of the game.

Maybe you would like to head on over to UltraMMO.com or previously EQ2zone.com and see what I am trying to provide to the community.

Loranthala · 08-11-2011, 03:33 AM

Where did I say you didn't raid? Where did I say I didn't quest? I have also completed the quests as far as they can be done right now. I have over 4600 quests done, and I raid 4 days a week when I am not working or deployed. So kindly take your personal attacks out of it, and actually argue your point. It seems you've now changed your tune and agree that a heroic quest shouldn't reward better-than-raid quality loot, so I don't see why you continue to argue with me.

07-21-2011, 08:06 AM	#2
Luhai Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 679	Well yes, there is. I dont't exactly remember which NPC started it, maybe the Duality in Thurgadin.The 2nd part leads you into the Drunder group instances. The mage cloak reward has exactly the same stats as the one dropped by Tserrina in the Tower raid instance. __________________

07-26-2011, 10:32 AM	#4
Loranthala Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: WA Posts: 341	Its a heroic quest, no matter how difficult it may be. It shouldn't reward loot on par [Removed for Content] HM raid encounters. __________________ Aka Simonsays from Nektulos and Lavastorm represent!!

08-08-2011, 02:52 AM	#7
Loranthala Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: WA Posts: 341	You're simply wrong. The most effort you're putting into that quest is putting together a 6 person group. Thus, the best reward you should get is heroic quality loot. Sure, make it better than anything that drops in those heroic zones, but there's no reason why it should be identical to EM loot (as it is now) or anything close to challenge mode loot. __________________ Aka Simonsays from Nektulos and Lavastorm represent!!

08-09-2011, 09:43 AM	#10
Leovinus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 403	xpraetorianx wrote: Saying I'm wrong for my opinion is just idiotic. I disagree that special questlines like these shouldn't yield better rewards. If you have a problem because it stays in heroic instances then fine. Maybe the Dev team could consider adding raid steps to these questlines for slightly better rewards. Personally I miss the long signature, epic questlines that were found in passed expansions like the Pris 1.0, 2.0, Swords of Destiny, Player Epics.... even the really simple "kill raid mobs for t3 items" from Sentinel's fate were "ok". Back to the topic though. I don't see a Part three anywhere. The neckless was Part 1, The cloak is part 2... where is this part 3? That's because 61 isn't out yet (as is what someone earlier in the thread said). I'm not sure whether there'll be a continuation in this GU or not though, as I don't remember seeing it called out in the patch notes. Still, if they remain true to course, the chance is that we'll be seeing an extension of the line where the majority of the quest is done in the new heroic Plane of War zone.

08-09-2011, 06:42 PM	#11
Loranthala Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: WA Posts: 341	xpraetorianx wrote: Saying I'm wrong for my opinion is just idiotic. I disagree that special questlines like these shouldn't yield better rewards. If you have a problem because it stays in heroic instances then fine. Maybe the Dev team could consider adding raid steps to these questlines for slightly better rewards. Personally I miss the long signature, epic questlines that were found in passed expansions like the Pris 1.0, 2.0, Swords of Destiny, Player Epics.... even the really simple "kill raid mobs for t3 items" from Sentinel's fate were "ok". Those were EPIC quests that required killing EPIC mobs, thus deserved to reward raid quality loot. These are HEROIC quests that are rewarding raid quality loot, and that is imbalanced. __________________ Aka Simonsays from Nektulos and Lavastorm represent!!

07-21-2011, 05:34 AM	#1
xpraetorianx Fansite Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 419	So I have heard some chatter about their being a part two to the Fallen Swords Signature Quest Line. Is there any truth to this?

07-26-2011, 07:57 AM	#3
xpraetorianx Fansite Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 419	I'm sorry quest team and itemization guy... but this questline is HARDER to complete IMO than the x2 raid zone or even the X4 raid zone is for the Easy Mode version of this cloak. Just running around Kael is a pain by itself. The reward is rather bland.. I would really like to suggest that this cloak be reitemized to be a bit better than those cloaks. Infact... I think it should honestly compete with the HM cloaks a bit I think... even the neck item isnt better than the neck item you get from a easy mode raid encounter... come on these rewards need to be a bit better than this imo. Whatever happened to large signature quest items actually giving you something that could be considered a best in slot item? There hasnt been anything of the sorts since the Mythical quests in ROK... SF expansion had something like that but it had you get kill updates in raid zones. Let's get some more love for some best in slot item for large questlines... especially one as integral as this one is right now in the Lore the of game....

07-26-2011, 09:36 PM	#5
Gaealiege Server: Butcherblock Guild: Eruanna Ar Fuin Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 748	Calm down. The cloak nor the neck are the final rewards. When Shard of War goes in there is a part 3 to this quest.

08-07-2011, 10:51 PM	#6
xpraetorianx Fansite Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 419	I would have to disagree. The length of the quest and the requirement IMO is more of a hassle than popping into a raid zone and killing a few easy named. Perhaps the item shouldnt be as good as HM loot but it should atleast be slightly better than the EM version. The neck and cloak are pretty much the exact same as the EM raid dropped loot that you can three group with toons geared up in Legendary DOV gear. So I personally stand by my point that the requirements of this questline should put it a bit better than the EM raid dropped loot. I don't personally need the items rewarded but just as a general point I think the effort required should yield a better reward stat wise...atleast give it a cool appearance effect or something lol. Throw us questers a bone here item guys!!! Btw, where was it mentioned that there is a part three to the quest line? I have paused on finishing the questline for the cloak reward for now but is there hints at more when you finish this part of the quest?

08-08-2011, 07:32 AM	#8
Tigress Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,739	maybe this will help http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Falle...Swords_Timeline http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Falle...:_From_the_Edge

08-09-2011, 05:40 AM	#9
xpraetorianx Fansite Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 419	Saying I'm wrong for my opinion is just idiotic. I disagree that special questlines like these shouldn't yield better rewards. If you have a problem because it stays in heroic instances then fine. Maybe the Dev team could consider adding raid steps to these questlines for slightly better rewards. Personally I miss the long signature, epic questlines that were found in passed expansions like the Pris 1.0, 2.0, Swords of Destiny, Player Epics.... even the really simple "kill raid mobs for t3 items" from Sentinel's fate were "ok". Back to the topic though. I don't see a Part three anywhere. The neckless was Part 1, The cloak is part 2... where is this part 3?

08-10-2011, 12:52 PM	#12
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	[requested troll] Why would a reward from a heroic questline include a red-slot adornment? Cause thats basically what your asking for when you want a cloak better than EM right? [/requested troll] __________________

08-10-2011, 04:13 PM	#13
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Who cares about questing anymore, they arn't worth doing, just do PQs.

08-10-2011, 07:52 PM	#14
xpraetorianx Fansite Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 419	I will post it again for those who didnt read the thread. If you have issue with the zones being "heroic" then fine. Maybe the dev team can add raid steps to upgrade said items. Now, I will take a stab in the dark and assume no one in this thread has been through the "hard mode" heroic version of Tors have you? The drops in that zone rival most raid dropped loot from EM or HM instances. I do believe that invalidates any of your "its heroic" rebuttles.

08-10-2011, 08:51 PM	#15
Loranthala Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: WA Posts: 341	Zek HM is intended to challenge raid-geared players, it wasn't built for heroic geared players. So logic fail once again. I have no issue with the zones being heroic. I have issues with some guy on the forums saying that his EM raid quality loot isn't good enough for his HEROIC quest, and he wants better. The rewards are more than on par for the difficulty of the quest. If you want better, go raid. __________________ Aka Simonsays from Nektulos and Lavastorm represent!!

08-10-2011, 09:29 PM	#16
xpraetorianx Fansite Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 419	Well Simon.... I do raid. I raid quite extensively in both EQ2 and Rift. Probably more raiding than you would think. I do afterall run a raiding website hence my "fansite" staff tag on my name. You are apparently refusing to concede that I already conceded the fact about people having issues with them being 6-man instances. So I did infact state that if that is the case then long quest lines like these should have IMO a raid part that allows a better item to be acquired. You forget that Kael used to be ALOT harder than it is currently. That is if you ever went into that zone before they changed it. I completed part one when that zone was pretty nasty. Myself being a complete gamer.. I want to both experience the end game and the normal game. Rather than just the more shallow raid only aspect of the game. Maybe you would like to head on over to UltraMMO.com or previously EQ2zone.com and see what I am trying to provide to the community.

08-11-2011, 03:33 AM	#17
Loranthala Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: WA Posts: 341	Where did I say you didn't raid? Where did I say I didn't quest? I have also completed the quests as far as they can be done right now. I have over 4600 quests done, and I raid 4 days a week when I am not working or deployed. So kindly take your personal attacks out of it, and actually argue your point. It seems you've now changed your tune and agree that a heroic quest shouldn't reward better-than-raid quality loot, so I don't see why you continue to argue with me. __________________ Aka Simonsays from Nektulos and Lavastorm represent!!