new Character creation defaults to SOGA?

Rijacki · 07-29-2010, 11:57 PM

I went to look at the new UI for character creation and, by default, the models were all in SOGA even though I have always never had any of the "alternate" models checked. I backed out and checked my options, none checked. My previously created characters were in standard as I expected. I clicked Create character and... SOGA for everything.

Yes, there is a new button for "Alternate Appearance" right over gender, but.. umm.. SOGA is the alternate not the default and not what I have set as MY default.

I clicked the Alternate Appearance button and switching to a different race or even a different gender it goes back to SOGA.I guess those are now what SOE development wants to be the "normal" models with the originals as the "alternate".

The funny thing is, though, the icons are the original models. So, you click on an icon that looks one way and what shows up is NOTHING like that icon for any except the races which only have one appearance type.

The default models for the character creation should be what the player has selected as his/her choice in options. If the devs want to have SOGA as the default selected for a new account, that would be fine. But let existing accounts have their chosen settings. Players choose specific options for their own reasons. You should respect at least some player choices.

Barx · 07-30-2010, 11:54 AM

Sounds like a bug -- to my knowledge SOE only supports SOGA enough to keep it from breaking. It was something they did once back a while ago, they don't actively develop it (again to my knowledge).

Bunji · 07-30-2010, 03:15 PM

Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.

Yimway · 07-30-2010, 03:16 PM

Eeeeew

kalaria · 07-30-2010, 03:17 PM

Bunji wrote:

Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.

Why??Do you have to pay station cash then to have default appearances be the DEFAULT?

Barx · 07-30-2010, 03:21 PM

Bunji wrote:

Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.

I really hope you're kidding. That's literally one of the most nonsensical things I've ever seen. That might be appropriate for say an eastern localized client, but making it the default for everyone is a "[Removed for Content]" kind of move.

You have the regular models, which were SOE designed and are, IMHO, the true models of the game. Then you have SOGA, which was designed in partnership with another company (thats where the "SOGA" comes from) to specifically target eastern users. Why would you make that the default for everyone?

Not to mention the instant contradiction where a player would see SOGA on char creation and then log in and either not see SOGA or find they have this odd "alternate" model thing checked.

FearDiadh · 07-30-2010, 03:22 PM

I second Atan's comment.

Gungo · 07-30-2010, 03:26 PM

Bunji wrote:

Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.

From every poll I have seen default models are slightly more preferred then SOGA models. Now I am all for making both character visualizations readily available to a new person to create, but SOGA has vastly less character optimizations then Standard models. Its honestly a disservice to your game to default to SOGA. I guess we will see how it goes.

Wurm · 07-30-2010, 03:29 PM

Bunji wrote:

Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.

Makes sense since the largest market for RMT is Asia.

Loendar · 07-30-2010, 03:30 PM

kalaria wrote:

Bunji wrote:
Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.
Why??Do you have to pay station cash then to have default appearances be the DEFAULT?

Here is my guess. F2P games are the norm in Eastern markets - they have a million of them. So people expect to see the more 'exotic' looking models when they play a F2P game and SOE decided that they would make those the default going forward.Personally, I loathe the SOGA models.

Loendar · 07-30-2010, 03:31 PM

Wurm wrote:

Bunji wrote:
Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.
Makes sense since the largest market for RMT is Asia.

I was a wee bit too slow with my response. But...this. ;p

Anastasie · 07-30-2010, 03:31 PM

Most of the Soga models are awful - especially for female characters (except for maybe human females). Why would you change the default starting models to the inferior ones?

Qinwena · 07-30-2010, 03:31 PM

Bunji wrote:

Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.

To be clear though, we are still going to have the option to turn on the 'orignal' models though, correct?

Bunji · 07-30-2010, 03:34 PM

Gashel@Lucan DLere wrote:

Bunji wrote:
Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.
To be clear though, we are still going to have the option to turn on the 'orignal' models though, correct?

Correct.

Deson · 07-30-2010, 03:37 PM

Bunji wrote:

Gashel@Lucan DLere wrote:
Bunji wrote:
Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.
To be clear though, we are still going to have the option to turn on the 'orignal' models though, correct?
Correct.

As default?I'd like the option to never see SOGA if I don't choose it.

Barx · 07-30-2010, 03:37 PM

If it's really the asian market they're going after with that, then do what other MMOs do: Use the incoming IP of the user to determine whether original models (non-asia) or SOGA models (asia) are shown. Making it show the SOGA models (which in my experience people like significantly less on average) to everyone just to target that market is insane.

BlueEternal · 07-30-2010, 03:37 PM

Bunji wrote:

Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.

Reason being?

Wurm · 07-30-2010, 03:37 PM

I use soga mainly for the face and hair, but if they are going to go forward with this then they need to either get the original soga team working on upgrading or fixing the current soga models or buy them out and do them themselves.

The females are too skinny (toothpick arms and legs on someone who has been swinging a broadsword thousands of times for over 6 years is laughable) and they all have Lordosis (google it).

Deson · 07-30-2010, 03:38 PM

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:

If it's really the asian market they're going after with that, then do what other MMOs do: Use the incoming IP of the user to determine whether original models (non-asia) or SOGA models (asia) are shown. Making it show the SOGA models (which in my experience people like significantly less on average) to everyone just to target that market is insane.

Given everything else though is it surprising?New payers and all.

Deson · 07-30-2010, 03:39 PM

Nariox@Nagafen wrote:

Bunji wrote:
Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.
Reason being?

Wurm wrote:

Makes sense since the largest market for RMT is Asia.

JenarieII · 07-30-2010, 03:39 PM

This should really be reconsidered. Obviously it is presonal preference which someone choses to use but the default shoudl be the default we've had for the last six years.

There's no reason to turn a great game into some other game. It feels like we aren't going to even recognize this one soon as the game we've loved for so long.

Barx · 07-30-2010, 03:39 PM

Deson wrote:

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:
If it's really the asian market they're going after with that, then do what other MMOs do: Use the incoming IP of the user to determine whether original models (non-asia) or SOGA models (asia) are shown. Making it show the SOGA models (which in my experience people like significantly less on average) to everyone just to target that market is insane.
Given everything else though is it surprising?New payers and all.

Sadly it's not surprising. I thought what they were doing with EQ2X was bad enough, this is just salt in an open wound.

Deson · 07-30-2010, 03:42 PM

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Deson wrote:
Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:
If it's really the asian market they're going after with that, then do what other MMOs do: Use the incoming IP of the user to determine whether original models (non-asia) or SOGA models (asia) are shown. Making it show the SOGA models (which in my experience people like significantly less on average) to everyone just to target that market is insane.
Given everything else though is it surprising?New payers and all.
Sadly it's not surprising. I thought what they were doing with EQ2X was bad enough, this is just salt in an open wound.

EQ2x, the new UI, this...at this point I'm amused just waiting to see what's next.

Xill · 07-30-2010, 03:42 PM

Default SOGA models...

Wow... blantently giving the finger to the western audience at this point.... Thanks guys, at least I know where I stand.

BlueEternal · 07-30-2010, 03:46 PM

Deson wrote:

Nariox@Nagafen wrote:
Bunji wrote:
Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.
Reason being?
Wurm wrote:
Makes sense since the largest market for RMT is Asia.

That's exactly what I've been thinking but I want to hear their pathetic excuse for this.

Jesdyr · 07-30-2010, 03:57 PM

Deson wrote:

EQ2x, the new UI, this...at this point I'm amused just waiting to see what's next.

Well if this is an attempt to make it more Asian friendly ..

You will now have to grind mobs for 20hrs to level from 80 to 81 .. with the RAF bonus and a 50% xp pot.

Xalmat · 07-30-2010, 04:05 PM

Bunji wrote:

Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.

For the love of...

This is yet another stupid change that GU57 is bringing.

Deson · 07-30-2010, 04:08 PM

Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:

Deson wrote:
EQ2x, the new UI, this...at this point I'm amused just waiting to see what's next.
Well if this is an attempt to make it more Asian friendly ..
You will now have to grind mobs for 20hrs to level from 80 to 81 .. with the RAF bonus and a 50% xp pot.

I'd like to introduce you to the Hua Mein quests...

Lader · 07-30-2010, 04:08 PM

the changes yall are making are starting to get beyond rediculous. The default we've had has worked fine for almost 6 years; this was an unneeded waste of time. If you keep going with this idiocy of turning eq2 into an asian game youre going to see many loyal customers jump ship.

Lantis · 07-30-2010, 04:11 PM

Could we get even more widely unpopular changes done unilateraly to this game? This past week has been a nightmare.

I hate SOGA. If I wanted an asian-looking game, I would play one, like Aion. What's wrong with you people? Did SOE get sold to some foreign interests who are hell bent on changing everything in this game to target a completely different audience than the current playerbase?

07-29-2010, 11:57 PM	#1
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	I went to look at the new UI for character creation and, by default, the models were all in SOGA even though I have always never had any of the "alternate" models checked. I backed out and checked my options, none checked. My previously created characters were in standard as I expected. I clicked Create character and... SOGA for everything. Yes, there is a new button for "Alternate Appearance" right over gender, but.. umm.. SOGA is the alternate not the default and not what I have set as MY default. I clicked the Alternate Appearance button and switching to a different race or even a different gender it goes back to SOGA.I guess those are now what SOE development wants to be the "normal" models with the originals as the "alternate". The funny thing is, though, the icons are the original models. So, you click on an icon that looks one way and what shows up is NOTHING like that icon for any except the races which only have one appearance type. The default models for the character creation should be what the player has selected as his/her choice in options. If the devs want to have SOGA as the default selected for a new account, that would be fine. But let existing accounts have their chosen settings. Players choose specific options for their own reasons. You should respect at least some player choices. __________________

07-30-2010, 03:16 PM	#4
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Eeeeew __________________

07-30-2010, 03:17 PM	#5
kalaria Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 121	Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. Why??Do you have to pay station cash then to have default appearances be the DEFAULT?

07-30-2010, 03:21 PM	#6
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. I really hope you're kidding. That's literally one of the most nonsensical things I've ever seen. That might be appropriate for say an eastern localized client, but making it the default for everyone is a "[Removed for Content]" kind of move. You have the regular models, which were SOE designed and are, IMHO, the true models of the game. Then you have SOGA, which was designed in partnership with another company (thats where the "SOGA" comes from) to specifically target eastern users. Why would you make that the default for everyone? Not to mention the instant contradiction where a player would see SOGA on char creation and then log in and either not see SOGA or find they have this odd "alternate" model thing checked.

07-30-2010, 03:22 PM	#7
FearDiadh Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 231	I second Atan's comment. __________________

07-30-2010, 11:54 AM	#2
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	Sounds like a bug -- to my knowledge SOE only supports SOGA enough to keep it from breaking. It was something they did once back a while ago, they don't actively develop it (again to my knowledge).

07-30-2010, 03:15 PM	#3
Bunji Build Master Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 652	Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57.

07-30-2010, 03:26 PM	#8
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. From every poll I have seen default models are slightly more preferred then SOGA models. Now I am all for making both character visualizations readily available to a new person to create, but SOGA has vastly less character optimizations then Standard models. Its honestly a disservice to your game to default to SOGA. I guess we will see how it goes.

07-30-2010, 03:29 PM	#9
Wurm Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. Makes sense since the largest market for RMT is Asia. __________________

07-30-2010, 03:30 PM	#10
Loendar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 253	kalaria wrote: Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. Why??Do you have to pay station cash then to have default appearances be the DEFAULT? Here is my guess. F2P games are the norm in Eastern markets - they have a million of them. So people expect to see the more 'exotic' looking models when they play a F2P game and SOE decided that they would make those the default going forward.Personally, I loathe the SOGA models. __________________

07-30-2010, 03:31 PM	#11
Loendar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 253	Wurm wrote: Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. Makes sense since the largest market for RMT is Asia. I was a wee bit too slow with my response. But...this. ;p __________________

07-30-2010, 03:31 PM	#12
Anastasie Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 850	Most of the Soga models are awful - especially for female characters (except for maybe human females). Why would you change the default starting models to the inferior ones?

07-30-2010, 03:31 PM	#13
Qinwena Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46	Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. To be clear though, we are still going to have the option to turn on the 'orignal' models though, correct?

07-30-2010, 03:34 PM	#14
Bunji Build Master Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 652	Gashel@Lucan DLere wrote: Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. To be clear though, we are still going to have the option to turn on the 'orignal' models though, correct? Correct.

07-30-2010, 03:37 PM	#15
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	Bunji wrote: Gashel@Lucan DLere wrote: Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. To be clear though, we are still going to have the option to turn on the 'orignal' models though, correct? Correct. As default?I'd like the option to never see SOGA if I don't choose it. __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

07-30-2010, 03:37 PM	#17
BlueEternal Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 553	Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. Reason being?

07-30-2010, 03:38 PM	#19
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: If it's really the asian market they're going after with that, then do what other MMOs do: Use the incoming IP of the user to determine whether original models (non-asia) or SOGA models (asia) are shown. Making it show the SOGA models (which in my experience people like significantly less on average) to everyone just to target that market is insane. Given everything else though is it surprising?New payers and all. __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

07-30-2010, 03:39 PM	#20
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	Nariox@Nagafen wrote: Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. Reason being? Wurm wrote: Makes sense since the largest market for RMT is Asia. __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

07-30-2010, 03:39 PM	#21
JenarieII Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 110	This should really be reconsidered. Obviously it is presonal preference which someone choses to use but the default shoudl be the default we've had for the last six years. There's no reason to turn a great game into some other game. It feels like we aren't going to even recognize this one soon as the game we've loved for so long.

07-30-2010, 03:39 PM	#22
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	Deson wrote: Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: If it's really the asian market they're going after with that, then do what other MMOs do: Use the incoming IP of the user to determine whether original models (non-asia) or SOGA models (asia) are shown. Making it show the SOGA models (which in my experience people like significantly less on average) to everyone just to target that market is insane. Given everything else though is it surprising?New payers and all. Sadly it's not surprising. I thought what they were doing with EQ2X was bad enough, this is just salt in an open wound.

07-30-2010, 03:42 PM	#23
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: Deson wrote: Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: If it's really the asian market they're going after with that, then do what other MMOs do: Use the incoming IP of the user to determine whether original models (non-asia) or SOGA models (asia) are shown. Making it show the SOGA models (which in my experience people like significantly less on average) to everyone just to target that market is insane. Given everything else though is it surprising?New payers and all. Sadly it's not surprising. I thought what they were doing with EQ2X was bad enough, this is just salt in an open wound. EQ2x, the new UI, this...at this point I'm amused just waiting to see what's next. __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

07-30-2010, 03:42 PM	#24
Xill Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 318	Default SOGA models... Wow... blantently giving the finger to the western audience at this point.... Thanks guys, at least I know where I stand.

07-30-2010, 03:46 PM	#25
BlueEternal Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 553	Deson wrote: Nariox@Nagafen wrote: Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. Reason being? Wurm wrote: Makes sense since the largest market for RMT is Asia. That's exactly what I've been thinking but I want to hear their pathetic excuse for this.

07-30-2010, 03:57 PM	#26
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Deson wrote: EQ2x, the new UI, this...at this point I'm amused just waiting to see what's next. Well if this is an attempt to make it more Asian friendly .. You will now have to grind mobs for 20hrs to level from 80 to 81 .. with the RAF bonus and a 50% xp pot.

07-30-2010, 04:05 PM	#27
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	Bunji wrote: Defaulting to SOGA during character creation was an intended change w/ GU57. For the love of... This is yet another stupid change that GU57 is bringing. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

07-30-2010, 04:08 PM	#28
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: Deson wrote: EQ2x, the new UI, this...at this point I'm amused just waiting to see what's next. Well if this is an attempt to make it more Asian friendly .. You will now have to grind mobs for 20hrs to level from 80 to 81 .. with the RAF bonus and a 50% xp pot. I'd like to introduce you to the Hua Mein quests... __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

07-30-2010, 04:08 PM	#29
Lader Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 591	the changes yall are making are starting to get beyond rediculous. The default we've had has worked fine for almost 6 years; this was an unneeded waste of time. If you keep going with this idiocy of turning eq2 into an asian game youre going to see many loyal customers jump ship. __________________ -Thanatosis: 90 defiler of Oasis

07-30-2010, 04:11 PM	#30
Lantis Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 943	Could we get even more widely unpopular changes done unilateraly to this game? This past week has been a nightmare. I hate SOGA. If I wanted an asian-looking game, I would play one, like Aion. What's wrong with you people? Did SOE get sold to some foreign interests who are hell bent on changing everything in this game to target a completely different audience than the current playerbase? __________________ RosterMaster Stand Alone - EQ2 Guild Roster tool