Don't Forget about the Shadowknights!!!!

Dojac · 04-27-2010, 01:29 PM

Berserker

Battle Frenzy now has 10 triggers when used in PVP Combat.

Cleric

Divine Guidance now only has 10 triggers per person in PVP Combat.

I see no reason why Grim Harbringer is not included with this set of nerfs. The unlimited trigger count on GH has been a nuisance in PvP for a long time but in BG its down right dumb. If you're pullin BF and DG it only makes sense that you pull GH. They're the same type of buff he only difference is that BF and DG are temps while GH is a perma buff (which should place GH in front of these two for the nerf bat). If you feel like it, give SKs 1.5x the trigger count as it heals roughly 1.5x less that of the zerker heal.

In regards to this nerf in general 10 triggers is waaaaaaaaaaay too low. That comes off in maybe 2 seconds in BG while crusaders still have their 16 stoneskin (which yes is dispellable but in theory so is DG and BF). My solution, 15 trigger count on GH with a 30sec recast uppon termintation. DG, BF and DA all drop to 10 sec in PvP as a max with AA dumped into em.

Sony its finally time to rollback the SKs with the rest of us.... Or at least the rest of the tanks.

Harbringer Doom · 04-27-2010, 02:06 PM

Don't even waste your time complaining about SKs anymore. Its clear that they don't care about the ridiculousness of some tanks in PvP.

How long now have SKs been OP? Is the server 50% SKs yet?

Seeing tanks in the top of the heal parse and damge parse and damage taken parse, all at the same time, is ludicrious.

Wytie · 04-27-2010, 02:44 PM

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:

Seeing tanks in the top of the heal parse and damge parse and damage taken parse, all at the same time, is ludicrious.

I see pallys doing this alot more often than SK's.

Dojac · 04-27-2010, 02:48 PM

Paill@Nagafen wrote:

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:
Seeing tanks in the top of the heal parse and damge parse and damage taken parse, all at the same time, is ludicrious.
I see pallys doing this alot more often than SK's.

Just for clarification

spudsmckenzie2 · 04-28-2010, 05:53 AM

heh...wouldnt even waste my time complaining about sk's.....the head soe developer plays one and he isnt going to change it nor let anybody else untill he goes off the deep end like aeralik so............ 8(

Blaidd · 04-28-2010, 09:58 AM

ROFL how can you compare an ability that procs 3.5 times a minute healing 388-647 at expert to an ability that heals for 4% health everytime they are hit. And Battlefrnezy cant be dispelled - I have cast dispel on zerkers so often to know it has no effect on that.

Harbringer Doom · 04-28-2010, 12:28 PM

spudsmckenzie2 wrote:

...the head soe developer plays one and he isnt going to change it nor let anybody else untill he goes off the deep end like aeralik so............ 8(

I don't know that this is true, but if it is it is a sad state of affairs.

Talk about the appearance of impropriety. As a term of his employment the head developer (or any other employee for that matter) should not be dedicating himself to the OP class of his choice.

In fact, there should be a poll every month, and the player base should get to choose what class the employees MUST play for that month. Buff bot them to 90 if you want. Then maybe they'll see the issues with whatever class is at the bottom of the barrel first hand.

threat111 · 04-28-2010, 01:23 PM

just becuase something is on test doesnt mean it wont change.... a million times beore it goes live. thats why its a test server. read the most recent patch notes:

ITEMS

Bane Warding can no longer trigger if it has triggered within the past second. It can no longer be modified and cannot critically hit.
Ancient Invigoration now regenerates every two seconds rather than every three seconds.
Divine Guidance now has a shorter duration rather than less triggers in PVP Combat.
Stonewill now has reduced amounts rather than a reuse time in PVP Combat.

knightofround · 04-28-2010, 01:41 PM

Grim Harbinger? Seriously? I think you must be complaining about the wrong ability. Grim Harbringer is like a 8% proc that does a DD+self heal on a melee attack. Its not bad for damage, but its a pretty poor heal.

In BGs, 40-60% of my heal parse comes from wearing 4 stonewill items, which every fighter can use. Then usually its 10-25% aura of leadership, which is a crusader AA that puts a 1k regenerating ward on each groupmember within range. It doesn't help me keep alive very much, but it helps the group when it comes down to AE battles. Then its bloodletter at 5-15% depending upon whether my group sticks with me or not. After that its about 7-9% in fatal lifetap procs from gear that any fighter can use, I have four pieces of those. Tap Veins and Grim Harbringer are usually around 5% of my heal parse each, nice to have but are no means overpowering. And then all the other crappy SK lifetaps fill out the last 5-15% of the heal parse.

The survivability tool that SKs got this expansion, blood siphon, drains 25% of each groupmembers HP and turns it into a ward for the shadowknight. Kinda nice to have in PvE, but rarely sees any use in PvP because people get spread out and its easy to kill your groupmates with it if you're not careful. It's usually only around 1-2% of my heal parse.

ailen · 04-28-2010, 03:03 PM

Battle Frenzy is indeed dispellable. Happens to me often, and I know people that strip it from zerkers all the time.

Orthureon · 04-28-2010, 03:12 PM

I know SKs are overpowered and all but GH I thinik is pretty balanced.

Rocc · 04-28-2010, 04:04 PM

I'm suddenly reminded of the assassin being way OP because Aerileck played one. But wait, their still way overpowered! And then Shadowstep gets a boost? Cmon gimme a break. Nerf SKs and assassins! Especially in the pvp realm.

Kota · 04-28-2010, 05:32 PM

shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us.

Darkonx · 04-28-2010, 06:01 PM

knightofround wrote:

Grim Harbinger? Seriously? I think you must be complaining about the wrong ability. Grim Harbringer is like a 8% proc that does a DD+self heal on a melee attack. Its not bad for damage, but its a pretty poor heal.
In BGs, 40-60% of my heal parse comes from wearing 4 stonewill items, which every fighter can use. Then usually its 10-25% aura of leadership, which is a crusader AA that puts a 1k regenerating ward on each groupmember within range. It doesn't help me keep alive very much, but it helps the group when it comes down to AE battles. Then its bloodletter at 5-15% depending upon whether my group sticks with me or not. After that its about 7-9% in fatal lifetap procs from gear that any fighter can use, I have four pieces of those. Tap Veins and Grim Harbringer are usually around 5% of my heal parse each, nice to have but are no means overpowering. And then all the other crappy SK lifetaps fill out the last 5-15% of the heal parse.
The survivability tool that SKs got this expansion, blood siphon, drains 25% of each groupmembers HP and turns it into a ward for the shadowknight. Kinda nice to have in PvE, but rarely sees any use in PvP because people get spread out and its easy to kill your groupmates with it if you're not careful. It's usually only around 1-2% of my heal parse.

My parses look pretty much identical to these.

Notsovilepriest · 04-28-2010, 06:40 PM

Tenka@Nagafen wrote:

shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us.

If that were true, It still crits does it not?

Novusod · 04-28-2010, 07:00 PM

The Golden rule of eq2 pvp is they are never going to nerf SKs no matter how OP they are.

Crismorn · 04-28-2010, 07:00 PM

It's easier to prove your point if you forget about your abilities critting

Kota · 04-28-2010, 07:22 PM

Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:

Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us.
If that were true, It still crits does it not?

yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic.

Notsovilepriest · 04-28-2010, 07:29 PM

Tenka@Nagafen wrote:

Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:
Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us.
If that were true, It still crits does it not?
yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic.

but complements Adrenaline great right?

Kota · 04-28-2010, 07:45 PM

yeah how about that divine aura anyway. all hits up to 50% max health for 15 seconds ? is that what it is ? maybe it's 10. i don't recall. ok so that's like invincibility for 15 secs, because who really hits that hard. if you read these forums, you know that i am one of the first ppl to say that battle frenzy was OP, but think about divine aura vs battle frenzy. an sk with my gear is gonna have about 22k unbuffed. so anything up 11k is ignored. who hits that hard. really tho. can you even measure the damage prevention potential here ? i think not. ice comets and shadowsteps alike being completely prevented. as i've said before, battle frenzy did indeed need to be turned down. like, the duration cut in half or something. i have in fact been burned down with battle frenzy on. i'm no act wizard but i know you can set it up to tell you when a condidtion is met. maybe the guys that kill me when it's up found the text line that goes up and have an audible that let's them know to lift melee. just 10 minutes ago i got completely destroyed by a couple casters with BF up. too bad i didn't have divine aura ! that's ok, i will still have 10 triggers on BF. oh yeah, it doesn't work on magic. well it will still work on melee. so that 8k shadow step will only net 6600 damage on me. that's almost as cool as divine aura.

Kota · 04-28-2010, 07:46 PM

Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:

Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:
Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us.
If that were true, It still crits does it not?
yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic.
but complements Adrenaline great right?

no zerk worth his weight in dirt pops BF and adrenaline at the same time

Notsovilepriest · 04-28-2010, 08:12 PM

Tenka@Nagafen wrote:

Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:
Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:
Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us.
If that were true, It still crits does it not?
yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic.
but complements Adrenaline great right?
no zerk worth his weight in dirt pops BF and adrenaline at the same time

Yes, but every crusader I'm willing to bet would take adrenaline over DA, and then you have BF to top that off

Kota · 04-28-2010, 08:17 PM

Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:

Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:
Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:
Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us.
If that were true, It still crits does it not?
yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic.
but complements Adrenaline great right?
no zerk worth his weight in dirt pops BF and adrenaline at the same time
Yes, but every crusader I'm willing to bet would take adrenaline over DA, and then you have BF to top that off

a valid point, but i would take tap veins of the new BF.

Notsovilepriest · 04-28-2010, 09:11 PM

Tenka@Nagafen wrote:

Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:
Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:
Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:
Tenka@Nagafen wrote:
shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us.
If that were true, It still crits does it not?
yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic.
but complements Adrenaline great right?
no zerk worth his weight in dirt pops BF and adrenaline at the same time
Yes, but every crusader I'm willing to bet would take adrenaline over DA, and then you have BF to top that off
a valid point, but i would take tap veins of the new BF.

Well that ability is OP too, You can't compare two OP abilities. Tap Veins in PvP should only heal for a set amount off the cast, not off everyone it hits

Kota · 04-28-2010, 10:01 PM

BF isn't op anymore. well, it won't be i mean.

Notsovilepriest · 04-28-2010, 10:19 PM

Tenka@Nagafen wrote:

BF isn't op anymore. well, it won't be i mean.

Right, but everyone knows crusaders still are, It's a matter of time (Hopefully)

Badwizzard · 04-29-2010, 07:28 AM

Comeon guys, why you crying about SKs .

They arent op. U didnt see the big plan behind soes patches.

gu67:

All Toons that are no SKs get renamed to " i like to die"

As soon as a non sk gets near an sk 15 feet he instant dies and gave all his bank money and items to that sk.

Eq2 gets renamed to " Shadownknightquest2"

Sk gets automatic detaunt( as brig) peocrate 200 /sec and a dam proc on it for 200% of enemys life.

Harm touch gets his reuse lowered to 1 sec and cast time to instant.

Sas soon as a SK moves in the game world he gets the dev buff ( dam get reduced to 1 dam every atack)

i dont wanna post all that stuuf, aspecialy because i knew other op classes that dont will get nerved too.

at lest its no matter of time, remember the fighter rework i wait for over 1 year now for it. i see it that way, soe dont care . as always, the made the game way easyer every gu to be equal to wow, and forced the players that didnt like kiddy stytle to leave the game, no more shards ect.

the only thing that would force soe to change theyr strat would be if the 30% players that dont play sk cancel theyr acc. I readed a bit of the Rangers forum , many are so [Removed for Content] of and just wait for some other games

Why?

They lied to the Rangers, promisses of a equal abillity to sins flurry isnt even planed.

They forgott to put the 0 range abillity to the myth buff

They forgott to give us a automaic detaUNT LIKE brig or sin ( what is realy anoying in pvp i got more no target messages than anything else. No i lied most often message is cant see target because a tank from a other universe pressed a taunt button).

and what about the funny new bug i have to press abil. like stream of arrows 5 times till it woks is that a new feature or waht?

dont get me wrong i like my ranger, but comeon soe whats so hard to fix that. I realy see no sence why you guys dont change it, i think devs can create max lv chars anyway. So you could fix that and create a illi or coe maybe tosee how long you survive in PvP.

Masuma · 05-01-2010, 04:20 PM

(harm touch has instant cast already)

Gungo · 05-01-2010, 09:44 PM

Honestly they need to nerf % based abilites such as reaver from benefiting from potency or criticals/bonus or ability mod.

when they uncapped potency they just opened the door for a 2% reaver which now hits for 4-5% to scale with as much potency as the shadowknight can get. This means when a shadowknight cast an aoe atk for each person he hits he will insane amounts of health.

Ralpmet · 05-01-2010, 11:47 PM

I honestly didn't read the last few posts because I've seen this waaaay too many times.

1. You should be dispelling every sk you see the second you see them, this removes some of their damage and heal procs.

2. You can dispel beserkers crazy-self-heal, I do it all the time.

3. If you're a mage and you're dispel is up while you're fighting other people, then you're failing. Removing buffs that give +100+ to sta, or +resists, ect is essential into giving yourself that tidbit of an edge in pvp.

I'm not saying if someone is up in your face smoking you you should try to dispel them, at that point you're just being annoying. But I don't have half the issues I see people having in BG's because I level the playing field. You got a buff I don't like? You darn well better bet I'll dispel all your buffs until I get to the one I don't like. End of story.

To recap; don't qq about abilities that can be dispelled, instead direct your anger at the mages around you who are just sitting there trying to dps through these abilities instead of trying to remove them.

Oh, and to top it off, I'm fairly certain buffs get removed in the order they were cast, so if someone pops that "OMG HEAL" on a zerk it's not that hard to remove it unless they've cast other buffs. Same with the divine aura's. Less qq and more thought is needed or this will never be balanced because people who are smart enough to do things like dispel are going to be miles ahead of you always.

04-27-2010, 01:29 PM	#1
Dojac Server: Vox Guild: Storms Brew Rank: Boss Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 167	Berserker Battle Frenzy now has 10 triggers when used in PVP Combat. Cleric Divine Guidance now only has 10 triggers per person in PVP Combat. I see no reason why Grim Harbringer is not included with this set of nerfs. The unlimited trigger count on GH has been a nuisance in PvP for a long time but in BG its down right dumb. If you're pullin BF and DG it only makes sense that you pull GH. They're the same type of buff he only difference is that BF and DG are temps while GH is a perma buff (which should place GH in front of these two for the nerf bat). If you feel like it, give SKs 1.5x the trigger count as it heals roughly 1.5x less that of the zerker heal. In regards to this nerf in general 10 triggers is waaaaaaaaaaay too low. That comes off in maybe 2 seconds in BG while crusaders still have their 16 stoneskin (which yes is dispellable but in theory so is DG and BF). My solution, 15 trigger count on GH with a 30sec recast uppon termintation. DG, BF and DA all drop to 10 sec in PvP as a max with AA dumped into em. Sony its finally time to rollback the SKs with the rest of us.... Or at least the rest of the tanks.

04-27-2010, 02:44 PM	#3
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Horknut@Nagafen wrote: Seeing tanks in the top of the heal parse and damge parse and damage taken parse, all at the same time, is ludicrious. I see pallys doing this alot more often than SK's. __________________

04-27-2010, 02:48 PM	#4
Dojac Server: Vox Guild: Storms Brew Rank: Boss Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 167	Paill@Nagafen wrote: Horknut@Nagafen wrote: Seeing tanks in the top of the heal parse and damge parse and damage taken parse, all at the same time, is ludicrious. I see pallys doing this alot more often than SK's. Just for clarification

04-28-2010, 05:53 AM	#5
spudsmckenzie2 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 58	heh...wouldnt even waste my time complaining about sk's.....the head soe developer plays one and he isnt going to change it nor let anybody else untill he goes off the deep end like aeralik so............ 8( __________________

04-28-2010, 09:58 AM	#6
Blaidd Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 132	ROFL how can you compare an ability that procs 3.5 times a minute healing 388-647 at expert to an ability that heals for 4% health everytime they are hit. And Battlefrnezy cant be dispelled - I have cast dispel on zerkers so often to know it has no effect on that. __________________ Ysbryd 90th lvl Wizard Anifail 90th lvl Warden. Canlyn 90th lvl Brigand Angau 90th lvl ShadowKnight of Runnyeye Heresy 90th Defiler Jorrack 90th lvl Conjuror Ularth 90th lvl Beserker Clefyd 80th lvl Coercer Member of Last of the Valheru

04-27-2010, 02:06 PM	#2
Harbringer Doom Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 669	Don't even waste your time complaining about SKs anymore. Its clear that they don't care about the ridiculousness of some tanks in PvP. How long now have SKs been OP? Is the server 50% SKs yet? Seeing tanks in the top of the heal parse and damge parse and damage taken parse, all at the same time, is ludicrious.

04-28-2010, 12:28 PM	#7
Harbringer Doom Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 669	spudsmckenzie2 wrote: ...the head soe developer plays one and he isnt going to change it nor let anybody else untill he goes off the deep end like aeralik so............ 8( I don't know that this is true, but if it is it is a sad state of affairs. Talk about the appearance of impropriety. As a term of his employment the head developer (or any other employee for that matter) should not be dedicating himself to the OP class of his choice. In fact, there should be a poll every month, and the player base should get to choose what class the employees MUST play for that month. Buff bot them to 90 if you want. Then maybe they'll see the issues with whatever class is at the bottom of the barrel first hand.

04-28-2010, 01:23 PM	#8
threat111 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 391	just becuase something is on test doesnt mean it wont change.... a million times beore it goes live. thats why its a test server. read the most recent patch notes: ITEMS Bane Warding can no longer trigger if it has triggered within the past second. It can no longer be modified and cannot critically hit. Ancient Invigoration now regenerates every two seconds rather than every three seconds. Divine Guidance now has a shorter duration rather than less triggers in PVP Combat. Stonewill now has reduced amounts rather than a reuse time in PVP Combat. __________________ The above post is most likely cynical, sarcastic, offensive, rude, unnecessary, and informative. I apologize for any information gained from said post. It was meant purely to be cynical, sarcastic, offensive, rude, and unnecessary.

04-28-2010, 01:41 PM	#9
knightofround Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 289	Grim Harbinger? Seriously? I think you must be complaining about the wrong ability. Grim Harbringer is like a 8% proc that does a DD+self heal on a melee attack. Its not bad for damage, but its a pretty poor heal. In BGs, 40-60% of my heal parse comes from wearing 4 stonewill items, which every fighter can use. Then usually its 10-25% aura of leadership, which is a crusader AA that puts a 1k regenerating ward on each groupmember within range. It doesn't help me keep alive very much, but it helps the group when it comes down to AE battles. Then its bloodletter at 5-15% depending upon whether my group sticks with me or not. After that its about 7-9% in fatal lifetap procs from gear that any fighter can use, I have four pieces of those. Tap Veins and Grim Harbringer are usually around 5% of my heal parse each, nice to have but are no means overpowering. And then all the other crappy SK lifetaps fill out the last 5-15% of the heal parse. The survivability tool that SKs got this expansion, blood siphon, drains 25% of each groupmembers HP and turns it into a ward for the shadowknight. Kinda nice to have in PvE, but rarely sees any use in PvP because people get spread out and its easy to kill your groupmates with it if you're not careful. It's usually only around 1-2% of my heal parse.

04-28-2010, 03:03 PM	#10
ailen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 385	Battle Frenzy is indeed dispellable. Happens to me often, and I know people that strip it from zerkers all the time. __________________

04-28-2010, 03:12 PM	#11
Orthureon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,073	I know SKs are overpowered and all but GH I thinik is pretty balanced. __________________ NAGAFEN Server DAEMIEN 92 Shadowknight XEOS 92 Ranger EXILON 92 Inquisitor.

04-28-2010, 04:04 PM	#12
Rocc Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 705	I'm suddenly reminded of the assassin being way OP because Aerileck played one. But wait, their still way overpowered! And then Shadowstep gets a boost? Cmon gimme a break. Nerf SKs and assassins! Especially in the pvp realm.

04-28-2010, 05:32 PM	#13
Kota Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 671	shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us.

04-28-2010, 06:01 PM	#14
Darkonx Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 389	knightofround wrote: Grim Harbinger? Seriously? I think you must be complaining about the wrong ability. Grim Harbringer is like a 8% proc that does a DD+self heal on a melee attack. Its not bad for damage, but its a pretty poor heal. In BGs, 40-60% of my heal parse comes from wearing 4 stonewill items, which every fighter can use. Then usually its 10-25% aura of leadership, which is a crusader AA that puts a 1k regenerating ward on each groupmember within range. It doesn't help me keep alive very much, but it helps the group when it comes down to AE battles. Then its bloodletter at 5-15% depending upon whether my group sticks with me or not. After that its about 7-9% in fatal lifetap procs from gear that any fighter can use, I have four pieces of those. Tap Veins and Grim Harbringer are usually around 5% of my heal parse each, nice to have but are no means overpowering. And then all the other crappy SK lifetaps fill out the last 5-15% of the heal parse. The survivability tool that SKs got this expansion, blood siphon, drains 25% of each groupmembers HP and turns it into a ward for the shadowknight. Kinda nice to have in PvE, but rarely sees any use in PvP because people get spread out and its easy to kill your groupmates with it if you're not careful. It's usually only around 1-2% of my heal parse. My parses look pretty much identical to these.

04-28-2010, 06:40 PM	#15
Notsovilepriest Server: Nagafen Guild: Ill Gotten Gain Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,184	Tenka@Nagafen wrote: shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us. If that were true, It still crits does it not? __________________

04-28-2010, 07:00 PM	#16
Novusod Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,719	The Golden rule of eq2 pvp is they are never going to nerf SKs no matter how OP they are. __________________

04-28-2010, 07:00 PM	#17
Crismorn Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,840	It's easier to prove your point if you forget about your abilities critting

04-28-2010, 07:22 PM	#18
Kota Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 671	Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us. If that were true, It still crits does it not? yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic.

04-28-2010, 07:29 PM	#19
Notsovilepriest Server: Nagafen Guild: Ill Gotten Gain Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,184	Tenka@Nagafen wrote: Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us. If that were true, It still crits does it not? yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic. but complements Adrenaline great right? __________________

04-28-2010, 07:45 PM	#20
Kota Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 671	yeah how about that divine aura anyway. all hits up to 50% max health for 15 seconds ? is that what it is ? maybe it's 10. i don't recall. ok so that's like invincibility for 15 secs, because who really hits that hard. if you read these forums, you know that i am one of the first ppl to say that battle frenzy was OP, but think about divine aura vs battle frenzy. an sk with my gear is gonna have about 22k unbuffed. so anything up 11k is ignored. who hits that hard. really tho. can you even measure the damage prevention potential here ? i think not. ice comets and shadowsteps alike being completely prevented. as i've said before, battle frenzy did indeed need to be turned down. like, the duration cut in half or something. i have in fact been burned down with battle frenzy on. i'm no act wizard but i know you can set it up to tell you when a condidtion is met. maybe the guys that kill me when it's up found the text line that goes up and have an audible that let's them know to lift melee. just 10 minutes ago i got completely destroyed by a couple casters with BF up. too bad i didn't have divine aura ! that's ok, i will still have 10 triggers on BF. oh yeah, it doesn't work on magic. well it will still work on melee. so that 8k shadow step will only net 6600 damage on me. that's almost as cool as divine aura.

04-28-2010, 07:46 PM	#21
Kota Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 671	Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us. If that were true, It still crits does it not? yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic. but complements Adrenaline great right? no zerk worth his weight in dirt pops BF and adrenaline at the same time

04-28-2010, 08:12 PM	#22
Notsovilepriest Server: Nagafen Guild: Ill Gotten Gain Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,184	Tenka@Nagafen wrote: Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us. If that were true, It still crits does it not? yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic. but complements Adrenaline great right? no zerk worth his weight in dirt pops BF and adrenaline at the same time Yes, but every crusader I'm willing to bet would take adrenaline over DA, and then you have BF to top that off __________________

04-28-2010, 08:17 PM	#23
Kota Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 671	Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us. If that were true, It still crits does it not? yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic. but complements Adrenaline great right? no zerk worth his weight in dirt pops BF and adrenaline at the same time Yes, but every crusader I'm willing to bet would take adrenaline over DA, and then you have BF to top that off a valid point, but i would take tap veins of the new BF.

04-28-2010, 09:11 PM	#24
Notsovilepriest Server: Nagafen Guild: Ill Gotten Gain Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,184	Tenka@Nagafen wrote: Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: Tenka@Nagafen wrote: shadowstep is getting nerfed. pretty sure i read that. but yeah, battle frenzy being a max heal of 28% now is pretty lame for an endline. 2.8% per hit in pvp x 10 = 28. but yeah, for whatever reason, i doubt they are gonna bring sk's down to earth with the rest of us. If that were true, It still crits does it not? yes. so like 50% or whatever. depends on the indivdual. no where near the usefullness as say, divine aura. and it doesn't work against any sort of magic. but complements Adrenaline great right? no zerk worth his weight in dirt pops BF and adrenaline at the same time Yes, but every crusader I'm willing to bet would take adrenaline over DA, and then you have BF to top that off a valid point, but i would take tap veins of the new BF. Well that ability is OP too, You can't compare two OP abilities. Tap Veins in PvP should only heal for a set amount off the cast, not off everyone it hits __________________

04-28-2010, 10:01 PM	#25
Kota Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 671	BF isn't op anymore. well, it won't be i mean.

04-28-2010, 10:19 PM	#26
Notsovilepriest Server: Nagafen Guild: Ill Gotten Gain Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,184	Tenka@Nagafen wrote: BF isn't op anymore. well, it won't be i mean. Right, but everyone knows crusaders still are, It's a matter of time (Hopefully) __________________

04-29-2010, 07:28 AM	#27
Badwizzard Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3	Comeon guys, why you crying about SKs . They arent op. U didnt see the big plan behind soes patches. gu67: All Toons that are no SKs get renamed to " i like to die" As soon as a non sk gets near an sk 15 feet he instant dies and gave all his bank money and items to that sk. Eq2 gets renamed to " Shadownknightquest2" Sk gets automatic detaunt( as brig) peocrate 200 /sec and a dam proc on it for 200% of enemys life. Harm touch gets his reuse lowered to 1 sec and cast time to instant. Sas soon as a SK moves in the game world he gets the dev buff ( dam get reduced to 1 dam every atack) i dont wanna post all that stuuf, aspecialy because i knew other op classes that dont will get nerved too. at lest its no matter of time, remember the fighter rework i wait for over 1 year now for it. i see it that way, soe dont care . as always, the made the game way easyer every gu to be equal to wow, and forced the players that didnt like kiddy stytle to leave the game, no more shards ect. the only thing that would force soe to change theyr strat would be if the 30% players that dont play sk cancel theyr acc. I readed a bit of the Rangers forum , many are so [Removed for Content] of and just wait for some other games Why? They lied to the Rangers, promisses of a equal abillity to sins flurry isnt even planed. They forgott to put the 0 range abillity to the myth buff They forgott to give us a automaic detaUNT LIKE brig or sin ( what is realy anoying in pvp i got more no target messages than anything else. No i lied most often message is cant see target because a tank from a other universe pressed a taunt button). and what about the funny new bug i have to press abil. like stream of arrows 5 times till it woks is that a new feature or waht? dont get me wrong i like my ranger, but comeon soe whats so hard to fix that. I realy see no sence why you guys dont change it, i think devs can create max lv chars anyway. So you could fix that and create a illi or coe maybe tosee how long you survive in PvP. __________________ Heul halt rum!!!!! Du weichei (Ciopyright by Omega aka ATTA

05-01-2010, 04:20 PM	#28
Masuma Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 206	(harm touch has instant cast already)

05-01-2010, 09:44 PM	#29
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Honestly they need to nerf % based abilites such as reaver from benefiting from potency or criticals/bonus or ability mod. when they uncapped potency they just opened the door for a 2% reaver which now hits for 4-5% to scale with as much potency as the shadowknight can get. This means when a shadowknight cast an aoe atk for each person he hits he will insane amounts of health.

05-01-2010, 11:47 PM	#30
Ralpmet Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 779	I honestly didn't read the last few posts because I've seen this waaaay too many times. 1. You should be dispelling every sk you see the second you see them, this removes some of their damage and heal procs. 2. You can dispel beserkers crazy-self-heal, I do it all the time. 3. If you're a mage and you're dispel is up while you're fighting other people, then you're failing. Removing buffs that give +100+ to sta, or +resists, ect is essential into giving yourself that tidbit of an edge in pvp. I'm not saying if someone is up in your face smoking you you should try to dispel them, at that point you're just being annoying. But I don't have half the issues I see people having in BG's because I level the playing field. You got a buff I don't like? You darn well better bet I'll dispel all your buffs until I get to the one I don't like. End of story. To recap; don't qq about abilities that can be dispelled, instead direct your anger at the mages around you who are just sitting there trying to dps through these abilities instead of trying to remove them. Oh, and to top it off, I'm fairly certain buffs get removed in the order they were cast, so if someone pops that "OMG HEAL" on a zerk it's not that hard to remove it unless they've cast other buffs. Same with the divine aura's. Less qq and more thought is needed or this will never be balanced because people who are smart enough to do things like dispel are going to be miles ahead of you always.