SF patch notes ?

Kraken · 02-23-2010, 05:26 PM

Hi

Just got back to the game, noticed that my Int gear form my Sk was garbage...

Read the official patch notes http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=470271

and there was nothing there about it (or about anything else remotely usefull)

Are the updated patch notes or I will just have to go bumping into changes ?

Brigh · 02-23-2010, 05:32 PM

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=470526

Erieg · 02-23-2010, 05:40 PM

And no one thought this might be a good idea to put in the patch notes? Are there any other changes that weren't deemed important enough to put in the notes? There are a lot of people that do not read these boards after all.

Kraken · 02-23-2010, 05:54 PM

Thanks.

This game is going down the drain this guys dont even do patch notes anymore.

Shareana · 02-23-2010, 05:58 PM

They do patch notes for actual Patches and Game updates....

Erieg · 02-23-2010, 06:06 PM

What does this change qualify as? A MOTD?

Shareana · 02-23-2010, 06:09 PM

There has been A LOT of info on these forums once the NDA was lifted.... The info was out there...

Obadiah · 02-23-2010, 06:09 PM

Shareana wrote:

They do patch notes for actual Patches and Game updates....

So SF wasn't a Game Update?

I think the point here is that some mechanics are completely revamped and there's not a peep about them in the two pages of update notes linked above.

Shareana · 02-23-2010, 06:14 PM

Kurgan@Everfrost wrote:

Shareana wrote:
They do patch notes for actual Patches and Game updates....
So SF wasn't a Game Update?
I think the point here is that some mechanics are completely revamped and there's not a peep about them in the two pages of update notes linked above.

Actually SF was the expansion and GU 55 was released the same day. Hence the GU 55 notes that were posted SMILEY

Talazar · 02-23-2010, 06:15 PM

As a MMO player I avoid forums, boards, guilds, tells, delivery people, small rats, germs, heights, milk, crowds, nudity, being alone, needles, mushrooms (and mushroom-related life), enclosed spaces, harmonicas, tunnels, bullies, bullets (and other fast-moving objects that may be classified as projectiles), public speaking, pajamas, fish, elevators, puppies, and John Smedley.

I totally understand why MMO players would not pick up on things from other people / forums. I can see the OP's point that these mechanics changes were part of the GU and should have been in the patch notes but I don't recall a list of primary stats being in my original release box either, so maybe there was no need to update. Patch notes don't usually contain specific formulas either - usually just hints!

Obadiah · 02-23-2010, 06:20 PM

Shareana wrote:

Kurgan@Everfrost wrote:
Shareana wrote:
They do patch notes for actual Patches and Game updates....
So SF wasn't a Game Update?
I think the point here is that some mechanics are completely revamped and there's not a peep about them in the two pages of update notes linked above.
Actually SF was the expansion and GU 55 was released the same day. Hence the GU 55 notes that were posted

I see, so the wholesale changes to how stats and resists function are part of the expansion and not the GU, and therefore not included in the GU notes and that's why they're not mentioned. Hmm. Didn't see them mentioned on the SF box either. Oh well. Just seems like something worth passing on to the players.

EDIT: You know as well as I do that the GU update notes and the expansion notes are one and the same. It's one post. So clearly you're just mocking, which is fine. I love a good nitpick. The notes indicate that it is actually called "Game Update: Sentinel's Fate", not Game Update 55. Teasing and deflection aside though, the point still stands. When changes as drastic as these are made, some passing mention by the development team seems warranted. While the guide you linked to on Zam is great, it just seems logical that things like primary stats and consolidated resists would be mentioned by the development team rather than relying on a 3rd party site to communicate the change to the general populace. Particularly if they take the time (and it had to take some considerable time) to list out quest by quest the minute changes to quests in Butcherblock et al.

Shareana · 02-23-2010, 06:20 PM

Reckless? According to you, you are not an MMO player then being on these forums SMILEY ~

However, to help others out, I found a nice write up on the expansion located at Zam. I hope that this helps a bit SMILEY

Krooner · 02-23-2010, 07:44 PM

You know its been brought up before but I thought I would just post it here again.

The Hybrid classes will be affected by this change. Maybe not right now but when raid time comes we will.

Bards used AGI and INT gear. Now that INT doesnt do anything for us we asked to have our gear status adjusted.

The retort to this request was " It would be like itemeizing an entire new expansion worth of gear."

Come on. Its really not going to be that hard for you to do this.

RUN query on gear tagged Dirge - Troub, Shadow Knight - Paladin

If Item stats contain the words INT replace with WIS.

Yes I am over simplifying the process but you get the idea.

I say WIS because its not going to be that difficult for us to cap AGI. But now that WIS affects resists this would help alot.

Its not impossible. Its not as time consuming as you would make it out to be.

ITS NEEDED.

Yimway · 02-23-2010, 07:49 PM

Shareana wrote:

Reckless? According to you, you are not an MMO player then being on these forums ~
However, to help others out, I found a nice write up on the expansion located at Zam. I hope that this helps a bit

Trusting someone on forums to have accurate information yields about as much success as asking a blind woman to decorate your house.

For every item of information that is truthful and accurate here, there are atleast 5 things that are wrong or misleading.

The existance of forums does not trump the need for clear change communcation.

Jesdyr · 02-23-2010, 07:54 PM

Atan@Unrest wrote:

The existance of forums does not trump the need for clear change communcation.

I agree ... It seems many things went in undocumented with the GU.

Talazar · 02-23-2010, 07:54 PM

It is like the people who cheat at notpr0n!

I sorta kinda don't want much of an itemized list. I mean sure, changing the meaning of int is important. I can see the point of that going in some patch notes someplace. But anyone to whom such changes matters probably have zam and eq2i bookmarked =)

xeyda · 02-23-2010, 08:02 PM

In all fairness, to judge by my experiences in MMOs over the years and listening to channel chatter, very few people read the freaking patch notes, either.

This stuff (and more) SHOULD have been included in the patch notes, yes, but I guarantee there would still be hundreds of folks spamming the same questions in-game and posting the same questions over and over and over again, on the forums.

Shareana · 02-23-2010, 08:26 PM

xeyda wrote:

In all fairness, to judge by my experiences in MMOs over the years and listening to channel chatter, very few people read the freaking patch notes, either.
This stuff (and more) SHOULD have been included in the patch notes, yes, but I guarantee there would still be hundreds of folks spamming the same questions in-game and posting the same questions over and over and over again, on the forums.

This is too true.... I am still hearing people ask how to get to the Battlegrounds...

As for more notes on the subject, I have asked for more info already SMILEY I was just kinda teasing some people SMILEY

Jesdyr · 02-23-2010, 08:34 PM

Shareana wrote:

As for more notes on the subject, I have asked for more info already I was just kinda teasing some people

There should not be a need to ask for more info .. When they make Major mechanics changes there should at least be a basic explaination about what changed.

Why can we have notes that include "Finding Gloln Kilnkor - Quest text altered. " that include nothing about actualy mechanics changes ?

Altered text in a quest that most people didnt even know existed is more important ..... ?

Kiara · 02-23-2010, 11:02 PM

There's already a thread asking for a summary of what changes were made.

I'm working on putting one together.

We really didn't need another thread on this.

Good day.

02-23-2010, 05:32 PM	#2
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02-23-2010, 05:58 PM	#5
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02-23-2010, 06:09 PM	#7
Shareana Lead Volunteer Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,921	There has been A LOT of info on these forums once the NDA was lifted.... The info was out there... __________________ \|\| Forum Guidelines \|\| Knowledge Base \|\| Tech Support \|\|

02-23-2010, 06:09 PM	#8
Obadiah Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,154	Shareana wrote: They do patch notes for actual Patches and Game updates.... So SF wasn't a Game Update? I think the point here is that some mechanics are completely revamped and there's not a peep about them in the two pages of update notes linked above. __________________

02-23-2010, 06:14 PM	#9
Shareana Lead Volunteer Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,921	Kurgan@Everfrost wrote: Shareana wrote: They do patch notes for actual Patches and Game updates.... So SF wasn't a Game Update? I think the point here is that some mechanics are completely revamped and there's not a peep about them in the two pages of update notes linked above. Actually SF was the expansion and GU 55 was released the same day. Hence the GU 55 notes that were posted __________________ \|\| Forum Guidelines \|\| Knowledge Base \|\| Tech Support \|\|

02-23-2010, 05:26 PM	#1
Kraken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 32	Hi Just got back to the game, noticed that my Int gear form my Sk was garbage... Read the official patch notes http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=470271 and there was nothing there about it (or about anything else remotely usefull) Are the updated patch notes or I will just have to go bumping into changes ?

02-23-2010, 05:40 PM	#3
Erieg Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	And no one thought this might be a good idea to put in the patch notes? Are there any other changes that weren't deemed important enough to put in the notes? There are a lot of people that do not read these boards after all.

02-23-2010, 05:54 PM	#4
Kraken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 32	Thanks. This game is going down the drain this guys dont even do patch notes anymore.

02-23-2010, 06:06 PM	#6
Erieg Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	What does this change qualify as? A MOTD?

02-23-2010, 06:15 PM	#10
Talazar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 102	As a MMO player I avoid forums, boards, guilds, tells, delivery people, small rats, germs, heights, milk, crowds, nudity, being alone, needles, mushrooms (and mushroom-related life), enclosed spaces, harmonicas, tunnels, bullies, bullets (and other fast-moving objects that may be classified as projectiles), public speaking, pajamas, fish, elevators, puppies, and John Smedley. I totally understand why MMO players would not pick up on things from other people / forums. I can see the OP's point that these mechanics changes were part of the GU and should have been in the patch notes but I don't recall a list of primary stats being in my original release box either, so maybe there was no need to update. Patch notes don't usually contain specific formulas either - usually just hints!

02-23-2010, 06:20 PM	#11
Obadiah Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,154	Shareana wrote: Kurgan@Everfrost wrote: Shareana wrote: They do patch notes for actual Patches and Game updates.... So SF wasn't a Game Update? I think the point here is that some mechanics are completely revamped and there's not a peep about them in the two pages of update notes linked above. Actually SF was the expansion and GU 55 was released the same day. Hence the GU 55 notes that were posted I see, so the wholesale changes to how stats and resists function are part of the expansion and not the GU, and therefore not included in the GU notes and that's why they're not mentioned. Hmm. Didn't see them mentioned on the SF box either. Oh well. Just seems like something worth passing on to the players. EDIT: You know as well as I do that the GU update notes and the expansion notes are one and the same. It's one post. So clearly you're just mocking, which is fine. I love a good nitpick. The notes indicate that it is actually called "Game Update: Sentinel's Fate", not Game Update 55. Teasing and deflection aside though, the point still stands. When changes as drastic as these are made, some passing mention by the development team seems warranted. While the guide you linked to on Zam is great, it just seems logical that things like primary stats and consolidated resists would be mentioned by the development team rather than relying on a 3rd party site to communicate the change to the general populace. Particularly if they take the time (and it had to take some considerable time) to list out quest by quest the minute changes to quests in Butcherblock et al. __________________

02-23-2010, 07:44 PM	#13
Krooner Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 912	You know its been brought up before but I thought I would just post it here again. The Hybrid classes will be affected by this change. Maybe not right now but when raid time comes we will. Bards used AGI and INT gear. Now that INT doesnt do anything for us we asked to have our gear status adjusted. The retort to this request was " It would be like itemeizing an entire new expansion worth of gear." Come on. Its really not going to be that hard for you to do this. RUN query on gear tagged Dirge - Troub, Shadow Knight - Paladin If Item stats contain the words INT replace with WIS. Yes I am over simplifying the process but you get the idea. I say WIS because its not going to be that difficult for us to cap AGI. But now that WIS affects resists this would help alot. Its not impossible. Its not as time consuming as you would make it out to be. ITS NEEDED.

02-23-2010, 07:49 PM	#14
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Shareana wrote: Reckless? According to you, you are not an MMO player then being on these forums ~ However, to help others out, I found a nice write up on the expansion located at Zam. I hope that this helps a bit Trusting someone on forums to have accurate information yields about as much success as asking a blind woman to decorate your house. For every item of information that is truthful and accurate here, there are atleast 5 things that are wrong or misleading. The existance of forums does not trump the need for clear change communcation. __________________

02-23-2010, 07:54 PM	#15
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Atan@Unrest wrote: The existance of forums does not trump the need for clear change communcation. I agree ... It seems many things went in undocumented with the GU.

02-23-2010, 08:02 PM	#17
xeyda Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana Posts: 272	In all fairness, to judge by my experiences in MMOs over the years and listening to channel chatter, very few people read the freaking patch notes, either. This stuff (and more) SHOULD have been included in the patch notes, yes, but I guarantee there would still be hundreds of folks spamming the same questions in-game and posting the same questions over and over and over again, on the forums.

02-23-2010, 08:26 PM	#18
Shareana Lead Volunteer Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,921	xeyda wrote: In all fairness, to judge by my experiences in MMOs over the years and listening to channel chatter, very few people read the freaking patch notes, either. This stuff (and more) SHOULD have been included in the patch notes, yes, but I guarantee there would still be hundreds of folks spamming the same questions in-game and posting the same questions over and over and over again, on the forums. This is too true.... I am still hearing people ask how to get to the Battlegrounds... As for more notes on the subject, I have asked for more info already I was just kinda teasing some people __________________ \|\| Forum Guidelines \|\| Knowledge Base \|\| Tech Support \|\|

02-23-2010, 08:34 PM	#19
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Shareana wrote: As for more notes on the subject, I have asked for more info already I was just kinda teasing some people There should not be a need to ask for more info .. When they make Major mechanics changes there should at least be a basic explaination about what changed. Why can we have notes that include "Finding Gloln Kilnkor - Quest text altered. " that include nothing about actualy mechanics changes ? Altered text in a quest that most people didnt even know existed is more important ..... ?

02-23-2010, 11:02 PM	#20
Kiara Community Relations Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4,359	There's already a thread asking for a summary of what changes were made. I'm working on putting one together. We really didn't need another thread on this. Good day.