Monks

Giraku · 04-21-2009, 08:07 AM

Hi there everyone!

I was just hopeing Icould get some information, I've been trying to learn about the various monk clans on Norrath, being a monk myself this is important, I know alot of the whistling fists, and swiftails...but not too much on the ashen order and silent fist, can anyone help? Thanks!

---Gezrn Stonescale.

Cusashorn · 04-21-2009, 08:36 AM

*a glimmer flashes in Cusashorn's eye as he flashes a delighted grin*

Back in the original Everquest, There were only two races who could play as monks. Humans, and then Iksar when they were added in with the first expansion. Agnostic humans would start off in Qeynos as a member of the Silent Fist Clan. They believed in strength of the body as well as strength of the mind. They took a fairly neutral stance in the affairs of Qeynos, but they would help out whenever requested.

Human followers of Quellious would start as a member of the Ashen Order in Freeport. Back then, it wasn't completely taken over by Lucan D'Lere, so a good part of the city was still under good influence. The Ashen Order believes in achieving inner tranquility and mainly practices martial arts for defensive purposes and to help them achieve that inner peace of mind.

Now in EQ2, when Lucan took over Freeport, He told the order they could follow him or leave. They choose to leave and set up a desert fortress of T'Narev in the deserts of Ro. Some corrupt disciples decided to stay behind and form the Dreadnaughts, a.... Gang of bruisers and thugs.

The Ashen Order has it's own share of problems in the desert though. Some disciples decided to split off from the Teachings of Quellious and formed the Ashen Disciples. They think they can achieve complete control through physical training. They're not specifically evil, but they are misguided and practice ways of a bruiser more than a monk.

When the Iksar were introduced, we learned of the Swifttail Clan, a clan of Iksar who believed in physical pain as a means to getting stronger. In the Court of Pain in Cabilis, you were submited to physical pain on a daily basis. If your nose wasn't bleeding, lip busted open, and had a few cracked ribs by the end of the day, then you weren't training hard enough.

Despite thier methods, the Iksar tried to achieve inner peace as well in thier own way by using fear and aggression to others.

The Swifttails you see in Kunzar Jungle today have taken a somewhat neutral stance to Venril Sathir's reign over Kunark. Basicly, they have thier own little island to train thier ways. They leave Venril alone, and he leaves them alone. Despite this, they've taken a more open stance to allowing outsiders to join thier ranks and become honorary members of the Swifttails.

Some iksar have chosen to follow Venril Sathir though. They've formed the Broken Shackle clan inside Sebilis. There is no lore behind them other than the fact that they follow Venril. That's all.

You learn a lot of lore about the Whistling Fists in the Village of Shin. You also learn why the Silent Fist, Ashen Order, and Swifttails are not ready to learn the secrets of the Whistling Fist yet because they haven't solved thier own problems yet. The Silent Fist Clan are too neutral and don't get involved. The Order has inner conflicts, and the Swifttails are too aggressive.

A few other martial orders have formed around Norrath in the last 500 years. Over in Lesser Faydark, you'll find the Encampment of Wu, where Human monks practice the teachings of Master Wu, one of the most influential monks on Norrath. They still follow the ways of the Ashen Order back from before they left Freeport. It is because of the Encampment of Wu that the Fay and other inhabitants of Kelethin learned martial arts.

In Kaladim, there are some pieces of equipment that gave a small bit of lore on the supposed Rockpounder clan. A clan of dwarves who believed in using thier fists and strength to break through rock instead of using pickaxes and shovels like the rest of them. There is no more info, nor mention or evidence of thier existance.

In Neriak, there is a newly formed clan of bruisers who have formed as part of the Priest faction who still worships Innoruuk. No further info is given or known.

Garnaf · 04-21-2009, 09:47 AM

I think (but my memory isn't what it used to be) that Master Wu the Enlightened stands in lore as the only monk to achieve total inner perfection and physically transend to the Plane of Tranquility too, truly one of the greatest monks. Probably second only to Grandmaster Zan Filis the Whistling Fist (who aside from being a Monk, in the book about him, it's stated was a master of music, and every weapon in existance, he just liked to punch things)

though, oddly, Wu the Enlightened showed up in Plane of Sky as the Monk Quest Giver for the zone (always confused me, since he was supposed to have entered Tranquility, not Sky. Heck, what the hell kind of claim would Veeshan even HAVE on Master Wu?)

Edit: Found the Zan Filis reference"We know from his deeds, however, that he was a master of many forms of combat, perhaps more than any who had come before him. It is said he was equally skilled with swords, bows, maces, halberds, staves, axes, and any other weapon one could name. Zan Fi also had a natural affinity for magic, with a far greater understanding of its ways than most mortals could hope for. Of particular interest to him was the way bards could weave magic into their songs. It is said Zan Fi's voice alone could cast a spell potent enough to stop an enemy in its tracks."Excerpt taken from The Founding of the Whistling Fists Clan. Someone else can copy down the whole book, I've been up all night and I'm going to bed atm. sleepy

Cusashorn · 04-21-2009, 10:01 AM

Yep. Master Wu was chosen by Quellious herself and transcended into the Demi-God of Enlightenment.

Garnaf · 04-21-2009, 10:05 AM

Cusashorn wrote:

Yep. Master Wu was chosen by Quellious herself and transcended into the Demi-God of Enlightenment.

of course this still raises the question: Why in the name of Cazic-Thule was he in The Plane of Sky in EQ1? Which was set long after he became Wu the Transendant and, well, transcended. SOE needs to pay better attention to this crap, I'll take a bad explaination over none at all. At least with a bad explaination they're TRYING to cover the big plot hole in the road.

Cusashorn · 04-21-2009, 10:07 AM

Seeing as most of the Quest NPC's in the Plane of Sky didn't really have any explained rhyme or reason for being there, I think something like that can be forgiven.

teddyboy4 · 04-21-2009, 06:01 PM

Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
Yep. Master Wu was chosen by Quellious herself and transcended into the Demi-God of Enlightenment.
of course this still raises the question: Why in the name of Cazic-Thule was he in The Plane of Sky in EQ1? Which was set long after he became Wu the Transendant and, well, transcended. SOE needs to pay better attention to this crap, I'll take a bad explaination over none at all. At least with a bad explaination they're TRYING to cover the big plot hole in the road.

I think it was probably just coincidence that he was found there at that particular point in time. He was probably travelling around, trying to find enlightenment and peace of mind, while further perfecting his martial, and mental prowess and eventually found his way to the Plane of Sky seeking to further better himself. After all, there are many things to be learned everywhere and some of the oldest, and most venerable Dragons were found in the Plane of Sky, he probably knew this and went there to see what he could learn. What exactly drew him there, or why, will probably forever remain unknown, but as the Great Masters say...."it's the journey, not the destination".

Morghus · 04-21-2009, 06:15 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

Yep. Master Wu was chosen by Quellious herself and transcended into the Demi-God of Enlightenment.

I don't know the specifics, but apparently for the Avatar of Tranquility encounter you end up fighting him.

Cusashorn · 04-21-2009, 08:18 PM

You do. He's the final boss, since the developers would never let you actually harm Quellious herself, being a represented child and all.

The interesting thing about the entire encounter is that one person has to do the whole thing solo while everyone else in the raid is stunned, and the stun only dissapears when he shows up. At that point, it's a full raid encounter.

KniteShayd · 04-22-2009, 11:54 PM

Perhaps He was in the Plane of Sky because when you transcend by a god, you don't stay on earth. And when you don't stay on earth, you typically go up. Maybe he just didn't go up all the way to the Plane of Tranquility, or the Demi-plane of Enlightenment, and stayed in the Plane of Sky...

Garnaf · 04-23-2009, 05:40 AM

Meh, I like the traveling idea, it makes the most sense to me. And also, in EQ1 (where Wu was in Sky) Sky wasn't located above Norrath like it is now, it required a wizard to Plane Shift you (a process that ate all the buffs you had on you). In fact, while some planes had Norrathian anchors (Underfoot in The Hole, though players never used it, Fear in Feerrott, Growth in Wakening Lands, Mischief in Great Divide, Knowledge all over the frickin place.) most were not a physical location ON Norrath. (Similarly, the Shard of Hate and Shard of Fear take place as forms of their respective planes, not actually part of Norrath. Unless you know some place on Norrath that rains blood like Fear does?)

Anyway, it's obvious Wu made it all the way to Tranquility since he's the final encounter in the Avatar Battle. Though I find the idea of EVER fighting Zan Filis the Whistling Fist a bit more daunting (He's the first monk, a master of all weapons, at least SKILLED with all spells. (un)Holy crap...)

Grayspirit · 04-26-2009, 10:22 AM

I played a monk in EQ1 and now that I play EQ2 (formerly a monk from nostalgia).. there's something that's always bothered me.

How is Lu Sun still alive?

He used to be the guild master for the ashen order in freeport in EQ1... now he's the grandmaster in lesser fay. Is he not human? Does enough training/meditation/inner peace grant him immortality just in time before he died but with enough time to grow a sweet goatee?

teddyboy4 · 04-26-2009, 01:09 PM

Broncas@Nagafen wrote:

I played a monk in EQ1 and now that I play EQ2 (formerly a monk from nostalgia).. there's something that's always bothered me.
How is Lu Sun still alive?
He used to be the guild master for the ashen order in freeport in EQ1... now he's the grandmaster in lesser fay. Is he not human? Does enough training/meditation/inner peace grant him immortality just in time before he died but with enough time to grow a sweet goatee?

Maybe he's LuSun the 9th or some such?

Or, as you said, maybe with enough meditation and discipline he was able to slow the aging process to a crawl, or even stopped it all together and it is the same LuSun.

Grayspirit · 04-26-2009, 08:47 PM

I guess it's possible. I know the thexians on the other side of the zone are after something the monks have, some artifact hidden by Wu.

"Warmstill 22nd, 3053My liege,Our work in the Lesser Faydark goes well. With each passing day we become closer to discovering the mystery of the artifact hidden here by the monk Wu. I'm quite confident that our spies here will soon obtain enough information to make a full assault upon the monk camp, allowing us to claim those lands in your name.The monks there are not as weak as we originally had expected. The additional arms and provisions you have approved and sent will only speed our efforts. I assure you that we shall have the item in our possession soon, be it by hook or by crook.You shall find a detailed account of our findings in the pages that follow within this log.In your service, High Dragoon N'MarActing Command,Lesser Faydark Forces, Faydwer"

http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=152

It kind of makes me think that it's some physical object like a scroll or something that could be taken/stolen if the dark elves are that into finding it. But at the same time knowing how monks are more focused on the inner workings of a person, it could just be knowledge being passed down. I got a feeling Lu Sun knows.

Cusashorn · 04-26-2009, 11:56 PM

It's a weapon, actually. The Nybright questline shows you what it is. a 1 hand blunt weapon.

Grayspirit · 04-27-2009, 02:03 AM

Kinda anticlimactic

Meirril · 04-27-2009, 02:25 AM

Broncas@Nagafen wrote:

Kinda anticlimactic

Actually, its quite refreshing that you actually GET the item. It offers closure from a story line with a lot of Lore offered from two different factions.

ke'la · 04-27-2009, 10:22 PM

Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:

Broncas@Nagafen wrote:
I played a monk in EQ1 and now that I play EQ2 (formerly a monk from nostalgia).. there's something that's always bothered me.
How is Lu Sun still alive?
He used to be the guild master for the ashen order in freeport in EQ1... now he's the grandmaster in lesser fay. Is he not human? Does enough training/meditation/inner peace grant him immortality just in time before he died but with enough time to grow a sweet goatee?
Maybe he's LuSun the 9th or some such?
Or, as you said, maybe with enough meditation and discipline he was able to slow the aging process to a crawl, or even stopped it all together and it is the same LuSun.

It also could be the powers leaking into LFay from the Plane of Growth are keeping him well preserved.

Zabjade · 04-28-2009, 02:05 AM

Cusashorn wrote:

It's a weapon, actually. The Nybright questline shows you what it is. a 1 hand blunt weapon.

I just wish we could also get it via the Wu questlines so I don't have to destroy my faction to finish off that quest. (I STILL have not done so.)

Meirril · 04-28-2009, 06:11 AM

Zabjade wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
It's a weapon, actually. The Nybright questline shows you what it is. a 1 hand blunt weapon.
I just wish we could also get it via the Wu questlines so I don't have to destroy my faction to finish off that quest. (I STILL have not done so.)

I'm fairly certain that you never actually fight any monks on this quest. Now if you somehow have good thexian faction (I started KOS on my Freeport based Dark Elf, not to mention the Qeynos based characters) I can see how you wouldn't want to work for either the Nybright or Wu factions because doing either will result in some dead Thexians...

Cusashorn · 04-28-2009, 07:59 AM

You get Minus 500 Wu faction for completing the Nybright quest that gives this weapon. It's inevitable.

Zabjade · 04-28-2009, 10:22 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

You get Minus 500 Wu faction for completing the Nybright quest that gives this weapon. It's inevitable.

...and since there is no telling when they might add a monk-centric questline to the Wu Monks I would prefer to keep my faction as high as possible, plus it's not that great of a weapon anyway (Hint~Hint~Dev~Hint!).

Cusashorn · 04-28-2009, 10:24 PM

I was reluctant to lose the faction too, but then I realized that I had already done the Wu questline, and my faction was still good enough that they would let me continue to do any future quests that might be added.

Zabjade · 04-28-2009, 10:56 PM

I can be obsessive about my faction at times. I remember in EQI I mamaged to get my Dark Elf Agnostic Warrior to be able to enter Qeynos SMILEY .

Cusashorn · 04-29-2009, 09:29 AM

Zabjade wrote:

I can be obsessive about my faction at times. I remember in EQI I mamaged to get my Dark Elf Agnostic Warrior to be able to enter Qeynos .

That... actually isn't anything difficult to accomplish for any character of any race, class, or religion. >_>

Qeynos was one of the easier cities to gain good faction with the majority of the guilds, merchants, and guards. Just gotta slaughter enough gnolls and you're in.

Zabjade · 04-30-2009, 03:09 AM

Cusashorn wrote:

Zabjade wrote:
I can be obsessive about my faction at times. I remember in EQI I mamaged to get my Dark Elf Agnostic Warrior to be able to enter Qeynos .
That... actually isn't anything difficult to accomplish for any character of any race, class, or religion. >_>
Qeynos was one of the easier cities to gain good faction with the majority of the guilds, merchants, and guards. Just gotta slaughter enough gnolls and you're in.

Didn't say that it was, Just found it funny when I was comming out of South Qeynos and some one offered to invis me to get out of the city SMILEY

Giraku · 05-01-2009, 08:03 AM

Hmmm...what about Talon Southpaw Cusa? and what do you suspect happened to Glox? Surely he would have slowed his ageing like LuSun did?

Cusashorn · 05-01-2009, 10:23 AM

Who is Talon Southpaw?

Glox is probably dead. Not everyone can achieve enlightenment. Truth is there's no mention.

Giraku · 05-01-2009, 04:16 PM

Granted Talon was dead in EQ1, but I was hoping you'd know something on him I didn't.

Talon was a monk, who had been captured by the Di'Zok, and as far as I am able to tell, was mutated by them. He had two left arms because of it. and because he never revealed this third one, people were convinced he was fast enough to do things like, as one barkeep mentioned, hold an arm wrestling match with his left arm, and left hook the opponent without loseing his grip. heh.

04-21-2009, 10:05 AM	#5
Garnaf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 431	Cusashorn wrote: Yep. Master Wu was chosen by Quellious herself and transcended into the Demi-God of Enlightenment. of course this still raises the question: Why in the name of Cazic-Thule was he in The Plane of Sky in EQ1? Which was set long after he became Wu the Transendant and, well, transcended. SOE needs to pay better attention to this crap, I'll take a bad explaination over none at all. At least with a bad explaination they're TRYING to cover the big plot hole in the road.

04-21-2009, 06:01 PM	#7
teddyboy4 General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 299	Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote: Cusashorn wrote: Yep. Master Wu was chosen by Quellious herself and transcended into the Demi-God of Enlightenment. of course this still raises the question: Why in the name of Cazic-Thule was he in The Plane of Sky in EQ1? Which was set long after he became Wu the Transendant and, well, transcended. SOE needs to pay better attention to this crap, I'll take a bad explaination over none at all. At least with a bad explaination they're TRYING to cover the big plot hole in the road. I think it was probably just coincidence that he was found there at that particular point in time. He was probably travelling around, trying to find enlightenment and peace of mind, while further perfecting his martial, and mental prowess and eventually found his way to the Plane of Sky seeking to further better himself. After all, there are many things to be learned everywhere and some of the oldest, and most venerable Dragons were found in the Plane of Sky, he probably knew this and went there to see what he could learn. What exactly drew him there, or why, will probably forever remain unknown, but as the Great Masters say...."it's the journey, not the destination". __________________

04-21-2009, 06:15 PM	#8
Morghus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,105	Cusashorn wrote: Yep. Master Wu was chosen by Quellious herself and transcended into the Demi-God of Enlightenment. I don't know the specifics, but apparently for the Avatar of Tranquility encounter you end up fighting him.

04-26-2009, 10:22 AM	#12
Grayspirit Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Broncas Posts: 208	I played a monk in EQ1 and now that I play EQ2 (formerly a monk from nostalgia).. there's something that's always bothered me. How is Lu Sun still alive? He used to be the guild master for the ashen order in freeport in EQ1... now he's the grandmaster in lesser fay. Is he not human? Does enough training/meditation/inner peace grant him immortality just in time before he died but with enough time to grow a sweet goatee? __________________ Broncas. Broncas.mybrute.com

04-26-2009, 01:09 PM	#13
teddyboy4 General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 299	Broncas@Nagafen wrote: I played a monk in EQ1 and now that I play EQ2 (formerly a monk from nostalgia).. there's something that's always bothered me. How is Lu Sun still alive? He used to be the guild master for the ashen order in freeport in EQ1... now he's the grandmaster in lesser fay. Is he not human? Does enough training/meditation/inner peace grant him immortality just in time before he died but with enough time to grow a sweet goatee? Maybe he's LuSun the 9th or some such? Or, as you said, maybe with enough meditation and discipline he was able to slow the aging process to a crawl, or even stopped it all together and it is the same LuSun. __________________

04-21-2009, 08:07 AM	#1
Giraku Server: Lucan DLere Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 89	Hi there everyone! I was just hopeing Icould get some information, I've been trying to learn about the various monk clans on Norrath, being a monk myself this is important, I know alot of the whistling fists, and swiftails...but not too much on the ashen order and silent fist, can anyone help? Thanks! ---Gezrn Stonescale.

04-21-2009, 08:36 AM	#2
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	a glimmer flashes in Cusashorn's eye as he flashes a delighted grin Back in the original Everquest, There were only two races who could play as monks. Humans, and then Iksar when they were added in with the first expansion. Agnostic humans would start off in Qeynos as a member of the Silent Fist Clan. They believed in strength of the body as well as strength of the mind. They took a fairly neutral stance in the affairs of Qeynos, but they would help out whenever requested. Human followers of Quellious would start as a member of the Ashen Order in Freeport. Back then, it wasn't completely taken over by Lucan D'Lere, so a good part of the city was still under good influence. The Ashen Order believes in achieving inner tranquility and mainly practices martial arts for defensive purposes and to help them achieve that inner peace of mind. Now in EQ2, when Lucan took over Freeport, He told the order they could follow him or leave. They choose to leave and set up a desert fortress of T'Narev in the deserts of Ro. Some corrupt disciples decided to stay behind and form the Dreadnaughts, a.... Gang of bruisers and thugs. The Ashen Order has it's own share of problems in the desert though. Some disciples decided to split off from the Teachings of Quellious and formed the Ashen Disciples. They think they can achieve complete control through physical training. They're not specifically evil, but they are misguided and practice ways of a bruiser more than a monk. When the Iksar were introduced, we learned of the Swifttail Clan, a clan of Iksar who believed in physical pain as a means to getting stronger. In the Court of Pain in Cabilis, you were submited to physical pain on a daily basis. If your nose wasn't bleeding, lip busted open, and had a few cracked ribs by the end of the day, then you weren't training hard enough. Despite thier methods, the Iksar tried to achieve inner peace as well in thier own way by using fear and aggression to others. The Swifttails you see in Kunzar Jungle today have taken a somewhat neutral stance to Venril Sathir's reign over Kunark. Basicly, they have thier own little island to train thier ways. They leave Venril alone, and he leaves them alone. Despite this, they've taken a more open stance to allowing outsiders to join thier ranks and become honorary members of the Swifttails. Some iksar have chosen to follow Venril Sathir though. They've formed the Broken Shackle clan inside Sebilis. There is no lore behind them other than the fact that they follow Venril. That's all. You learn a lot of lore about the Whistling Fists in the Village of Shin. You also learn why the Silent Fist, Ashen Order, and Swifttails are not ready to learn the secrets of the Whistling Fist yet because they haven't solved thier own problems yet. The Silent Fist Clan are too neutral and don't get involved. The Order has inner conflicts, and the Swifttails are too aggressive. A few other martial orders have formed around Norrath in the last 500 years. Over in Lesser Faydark, you'll find the Encampment of Wu, where Human monks practice the teachings of Master Wu, one of the most influential monks on Norrath. They still follow the ways of the Ashen Order back from before they left Freeport. It is because of the Encampment of Wu that the Fay and other inhabitants of Kelethin learned martial arts. In Kaladim, there are some pieces of equipment that gave a small bit of lore on the supposed Rockpounder clan. A clan of dwarves who believed in using thier fists and strength to break through rock instead of using pickaxes and shovels like the rest of them. There is no more info, nor mention or evidence of thier existance. In Neriak, there is a newly formed clan of bruisers who have formed as part of the Priest faction who still worships Innoruuk. No further info is given or known.

04-21-2009, 09:47 AM	#3
Garnaf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 431	I think (but my memory isn't what it used to be) that Master Wu the Enlightened stands in lore as the only monk to achieve total inner perfection and physically transend to the Plane of Tranquility too, truly one of the greatest monks. Probably second only to Grandmaster Zan Filis the Whistling Fist (who aside from being a Monk, in the book about him, it's stated was a master of music, and every weapon in existance, he just liked to punch things) though, oddly, Wu the Enlightened showed up in Plane of Sky as the Monk Quest Giver for the zone (always confused me, since he was supposed to have entered Tranquility, not Sky. Heck, what the hell kind of claim would Veeshan even HAVE on Master Wu?) Edit: Found the Zan Filis reference"We know from his deeds, however, that he was a master of many forms of combat, perhaps more than any who had come before him. It is said he was equally skilled with swords, bows, maces, halberds, staves, axes, and any other weapon one could name. Zan Fi also had a natural affinity for magic, with a far greater understanding of its ways than most mortals could hope for. Of particular interest to him was the way bards could weave magic into their songs. It is said Zan Fi's voice alone could cast a spell potent enough to stop an enemy in its tracks."Excerpt taken from The Founding of the Whistling Fists Clan. Someone else can copy down the whole book, I've been up all night and I'm going to bed atm. sleepy

04-21-2009, 10:01 AM	#4
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Yep. Master Wu was chosen by Quellious herself and transcended into the Demi-God of Enlightenment.

04-21-2009, 10:07 AM	#6
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Seeing as most of the Quest NPC's in the Plane of Sky didn't really have any explained rhyme or reason for being there, I think something like that can be forgiven.

04-21-2009, 08:18 PM	#9
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	You do. He's the final boss, since the developers would never let you actually harm Quellious herself, being a represented child and all. The interesting thing about the entire encounter is that one person has to do the whole thing solo while everyone else in the raid is stunned, and the stun only dissapears when he shows up. At that point, it's a full raid encounter.

04-22-2009, 11:54 PM	#10
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	Perhaps He was in the Plane of Sky because when you transcend by a god, you don't stay on earth. And when you don't stay on earth, you typically go up. Maybe he just didn't go up all the way to the Plane of Tranquility, or the Demi-plane of Enlightenment, and stayed in the Plane of Sky...

04-23-2009, 05:40 AM	#11
Garnaf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 431	Meh, I like the traveling idea, it makes the most sense to me. And also, in EQ1 (where Wu was in Sky) Sky wasn't located above Norrath like it is now, it required a wizard to Plane Shift you (a process that ate all the buffs you had on you). In fact, while some planes had Norrathian anchors (Underfoot in The Hole, though players never used it, Fear in Feerrott, Growth in Wakening Lands, Mischief in Great Divide, Knowledge all over the frickin place.) most were not a physical location ON Norrath. (Similarly, the Shard of Hate and Shard of Fear take place as forms of their respective planes, not actually part of Norrath. Unless you know some place on Norrath that rains blood like Fear does?) Anyway, it's obvious Wu made it all the way to Tranquility since he's the final encounter in the Avatar Battle. Though I find the idea of EVER fighting Zan Filis the Whistling Fist a bit more daunting (He's the first monk, a master of all weapons, at least SKILLED with all spells. (un)Holy crap...)

04-26-2009, 08:47 PM	#14
Grayspirit Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Broncas Posts: 208	I guess it's possible. I know the thexians on the other side of the zone are after something the monks have, some artifact hidden by Wu. "Warmstill 22nd, 3053My liege,Our work in the Lesser Faydark goes well. With each passing day we become closer to discovering the mystery of the artifact hidden here by the monk Wu. I'm quite confident that our spies here will soon obtain enough information to make a full assault upon the monk camp, allowing us to claim those lands in your name.The monks there are not as weak as we originally had expected. The additional arms and provisions you have approved and sent will only speed our efforts. I assure you that we shall have the item in our possession soon, be it by hook or by crook.You shall find a detailed account of our findings in the pages that follow within this log.In your service, High Dragoon N'MarActing Command,Lesser Faydark Forces, Faydwer" http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=152 It kind of makes me think that it's some physical object like a scroll or something that could be taken/stolen if the dark elves are that into finding it. But at the same time knowing how monks are more focused on the inner workings of a person, it could just be knowledge being passed down. I got a feeling Lu Sun knows. __________________ Broncas. Broncas.mybrute.com

04-26-2009, 11:56 PM	#15
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	It's a weapon, actually. The Nybright questline shows you what it is. a 1 hand blunt weapon.

04-27-2009, 02:03 AM	#16
Grayspirit Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Broncas Posts: 208	Kinda anticlimactic __________________ Broncas. Broncas.mybrute.com

04-27-2009, 02:25 AM	#17
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	Broncas@Nagafen wrote: Kinda anticlimactic Actually, its quite refreshing that you actually GET the item. It offers closure from a story line with a lot of Lore offered from two different factions.

04-27-2009, 10:22 PM	#18
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote: Broncas@Nagafen wrote: I played a monk in EQ1 and now that I play EQ2 (formerly a monk from nostalgia).. there's something that's always bothered me. How is Lu Sun still alive? He used to be the guild master for the ashen order in freeport in EQ1... now he's the grandmaster in lesser fay. Is he not human? Does enough training/meditation/inner peace grant him immortality just in time before he died but with enough time to grow a sweet goatee? Maybe he's LuSun the 9th or some such? Or, as you said, maybe with enough meditation and discipline he was able to slow the aging process to a crawl, or even stopped it all together and it is the same LuSun. It also could be the powers leaking into LFay from the Plane of Growth are keeping him well preserved. __________________

04-28-2009, 02:05 AM	#19
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	Cusashorn wrote: It's a weapon, actually. The Nybright questline shows you what it is. a 1 hand blunt weapon. I just wish we could also get it via the Wu questlines so I don't have to destroy my faction to finish off that quest. (I STILL have not done so.) __________________

04-28-2009, 06:11 AM	#20
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	Zabjade wrote: Cusashorn wrote: It's a weapon, actually. The Nybright questline shows you what it is. a 1 hand blunt weapon. I just wish we could also get it via the Wu questlines so I don't have to destroy my faction to finish off that quest. (I STILL have not done so.) I'm fairly certain that you never actually fight any monks on this quest. Now if you somehow have good thexian faction (I started KOS on my Freeport based Dark Elf, not to mention the Qeynos based characters) I can see how you wouldn't want to work for either the Nybright or Wu factions because doing either will result in some dead Thexians...

04-28-2009, 07:59 AM	#21
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	You get Minus 500 Wu faction for completing the Nybright quest that gives this weapon. It's inevitable.

04-28-2009, 10:22 PM	#22
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	Cusashorn wrote: You get Minus 500 Wu faction for completing the Nybright quest that gives this weapon. It's inevitable. ...and since there is no telling when they might add a monk-centric questline to the Wu Monks I would prefer to keep my faction as high as possible, plus it's not that great of a weapon anyway (*Hint~Hint~Dev~Hint!*). __________________

04-28-2009, 10:24 PM	#23
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	I was reluctant to lose the faction too, but then I realized that I had already done the Wu questline, and my faction was still good enough that they would let me continue to do any future quests that might be added.

04-28-2009, 10:56 PM	#24
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	I can be obsessive about my faction at times. I remember in EQI I mamaged to get my Dark Elf Agnostic Warrior to be able to enter Qeynos . __________________

04-29-2009, 09:29 AM	#25
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Zabjade wrote: I can be obsessive about my faction at times. I remember in EQI I mamaged to get my Dark Elf Agnostic Warrior to be able to enter Qeynos . That... actually isn't anything difficult to accomplish for any character of any race, class, or religion. >_> Qeynos was one of the easier cities to gain good faction with the majority of the guilds, merchants, and guards. Just gotta slaughter enough gnolls and you're in.

04-30-2009, 03:09 AM	#26
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	Cusashorn wrote: Zabjade wrote: I can be obsessive about my faction at times. I remember in EQI I mamaged to get my Dark Elf Agnostic Warrior to be able to enter Qeynos . That... actually isn't anything difficult to accomplish for any character of any race, class, or religion. >_> Qeynos was one of the easier cities to gain good faction with the majority of the guilds, merchants, and guards. Just gotta slaughter enough gnolls and you're in. Didn't say that it was, Just found it funny when I was comming out of South Qeynos and some one offered to invis me to get out of the city __________________

05-01-2009, 08:03 AM	#27
Giraku Server: Lucan DLere Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 89	Hmmm...what about Talon Southpaw Cusa? and what do you suspect happened to Glox? Surely he would have slowed his ageing like LuSun did?

05-01-2009, 10:23 AM	#28
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Who is Talon Southpaw? Glox is probably dead. Not everyone can achieve enlightenment. Truth is there's no mention.

05-01-2009, 04:16 PM	#29
Giraku Server: Lucan DLere Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 89	Granted Talon was dead in EQ1, but I was hoping you'd know something on him I didn't. Talon was a monk, who had been captured by the Di'Zok, and as far as I am able to tell, was mutated by them. He had two left arms because of it. and because he never revealed this third one, people were convinced he was fast enough to do things like, as one barkeep mentioned, hold an arm wrestling match with his left arm, and left hook the opponent without loseing his grip. heh.