Charm suicide?

Mezzdee07 · 01-22-2009, 12:38 PM

I noticed in some forums people mentioning "Charm suicide", mostly used when talking about soloing instances or groups. I am only level 33 but was curious as to what that actually meant.

On another note, what did most solo coercers pick for master 2 at 34?

Thanks again.

chily · 01-22-2009, 02:18 PM

Charm a mob and let it get killed by a other heroic mob. Downside of this is that you don't get XP for it and that they don't drop chest's.

Oriax · 01-22-2009, 02:31 PM

You don't gain any experience but they will still drop chests. Hence the main reason why named mobs are not charmable.

Aule · 01-22-2009, 04:36 PM

Mezzdee07 wrote:

I noticed in some forums people mentioning "Charm suicide", mostly used when talking about soloing instances or groups. I am only level 33 but was curious as to what that actually meant.
On another note, what did most solo coercers pick for master 2 at 34?
Thanks again.

34 - Sibyllant is the best dps option. For any master 2 option though, you're really best off looking to see what masters are for sale out of the 4 options. The difference between M1 and M2 is typically less than 2% whereas the A3 to M1 difference averages 12.5%. So if you can get your best choice M1 cheap and M2 your second best choice that can be favorable.

Charm suicide (I refer to it as charm burning back from the old EQ1 days) is an efficient method of clearing trash mobs. Sending a charmed mob vs. a normal mob results in the charmed mob dying fairly quickly. Leave the target mob rooted, charm it when your charmie dies, click off root and send against the next target in your way. This allows you to more rapidly move through a zone that you're otherwise soloing with the goal of getting to the named, loot dropping mobs, as soon as possible.

Charming successfully does not social aggro, so you can use it to pick a target out of a crowd that is otherwise hard to solo pull. A resisted charm will aggro the mob and pass social aggro to everything nearby.

Effective use of charm is really key to pulling off good soloing at higher levels, so is worth getting practice in at your stage. When I was levelling up I spent levels 30-65 duo'ing with a warlock and dying repeatedly when charm broke SMILEY Mostly due to good subj buff from the warlock allowing me to charm mobs 9 levels above me, they one-shot you when charm breaks though.

Aule · 01-22-2009, 04:38 PM

Strossus@Runnyeye wrote:

You don't gain any experience but they will still drop chests. Hence the main reason why named mobs are not charmable.

And yeah I've obtained 4 or 5 master chests this way.

Mezzdee07 · 01-22-2009, 07:37 PM

So a quick update I hit 34 with 33 AA's.. i decided to try Fallen Gate with the new tricks i learned from you fine folks.. I was a bit shocked the first time in the room with the level 25 gargoyles, but after a couple tries it was awesome. I did the charm suicide until i got to the named mobs. Just in that 1 run I got to the last boss but quickly noticed if i pull him, I get the whole room lol. I obtained a Level 24 master spell for the conjuror pet SMILEY

I was happy and look forward to running again. It was crazy how much I learned about my class with a single run in this dungeon. Many thanks guys. On another note I might try 44861 on my next run to see the difference SMILEY

Xethren · 01-23-2009, 11:06 AM

This Charm Suicide is how I cleared my way into Karnor's solo to get the epic update we have in there

Gamer1965 · 01-23-2009, 03:25 PM

Yeah, if you need to get somewhere with no fuss, then let'em beat up each other up. SMILEY

Aule · 01-23-2009, 03:31 PM

Yeah I charm burned my way solo through all of the fabled epic updates except for the final step in Maiden's Chamber. Chardok and Sebilis were the only parts that had any difficulty.

Mezzdee07 · 01-23-2009, 06:34 PM

Man I love this class and can't picture myself playing anything else at the moment. I just hit 36 and leveling in Enchanted lands doing all the quest i can find for some AA. I just noticed that putting points into sylibant or spell lash requires 3 AA's for only 1 point? Wow hefty cost in AA's there but I will save and get it done.

I know i am still a baby coercer but dam this is a fun class. I find myself soloing a lot more now without a pet but last night i picked up a Lamia charmer at EL and holy cow I was blasting things away. When i get tired of the pet i simply trash it and feel as effective without one. Someone told me to just try to surpass the 10-30 hump and then after 30+ this class starts coming together. Boy where they right

Xethren · 01-23-2009, 09:36 PM

Yup, once you start getting your reactive spells our class gets fun. It gets even better at lvl 65 when you get Possess. You can finally go AFK with a pet without having to worry about coming back to see yourself taking a mid-morning dirt nap

Azekah1 · 01-29-2009, 03:15 PM

Despotic mind/Spell lash will make your dps go up a bunch.

Also, its nice to have a melee pet around that can trigger your melee procs for you : )

Aule · 01-29-2009, 03:51 PM

Mezzdee07 wrote:

Man I love this class and can't picture myself playing anything else at the moment.

I've periodically tried to play other classes a few times in the last 3 years. Never lasts very long. This class is just so much more interesting, to me at least, in the complexity of options available to you at any given time.

Saassz · 01-30-2009, 04:55 PM

Does Charm suicide work for epic updates in chels.?

Aule · 01-30-2009, 05:00 PM

I stun-locked and killed everything because I wasn't 100% sure it would update since it doesn't give an indication until you're complete and didn't want to waste time trying.

Oriax · 01-31-2009, 03:58 PM

I have never seen a quest as of yet that updates from charm suicide. So your best bet is to grind through them. It is not all that hard really solo, just can be a bit time consuming if your not used to soling yellow heroic content. Even most all of the nameds in there are soloable if you want to give that a try.

01-22-2009, 02:18 PM	#2
chily Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Austria Posts: 400	Charm a mob and let it get killed by a other heroic mob. Downside of this is that you don't get XP for it and that they don't drop chest's. __________________ Chillispike 80 SK, Guildleader of Boogie Knights @ Splitpaw and EQ2iAdmin Sanji 80 Coercer @ Splitpaw I just don't use Station Cash.

01-22-2009, 04:36 PM	#4
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	Mezzdee07 wrote: I noticed in some forums people mentioning "Charm suicide", mostly used when talking about soloing instances or groups. I am only level 33 but was curious as to what that actually meant. On another note, what did most solo coercers pick for master 2 at 34? Thanks again. 34 - Sibyllant is the best dps option. For any master 2 option though, you're really best off looking to see what masters are for sale out of the 4 options. The difference between M1 and M2 is typically less than 2% whereas the A3 to M1 difference averages 12.5%. So if you can get your best choice M1 cheap and M2 your second best choice that can be favorable. Charm suicide (I refer to it as charm burning back from the old EQ1 days) is an efficient method of clearing trash mobs. Sending a charmed mob vs. a normal mob results in the charmed mob dying fairly quickly. Leave the target mob rooted, charm it when your charmie dies, click off root and send against the next target in your way. This allows you to more rapidly move through a zone that you're otherwise soloing with the goal of getting to the named, loot dropping mobs, as soon as possible. Charming successfully does not social aggro, so you can use it to pick a target out of a crowd that is otherwise hard to solo pull. A resisted charm will aggro the mob and pass social aggro to everything nearby. Effective use of charm is really key to pulling off good soloing at higher levels, so is worth getting practice in at your stage. When I was levelling up I spent levels 30-65 duo'ing with a warlock and dying repeatedly when charm broke Mostly due to good subj buff from the warlock allowing me to charm mobs 9 levels above me, they one-shot you when charm breaks though. __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

01-22-2009, 04:38 PM	#5
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	Strossus@Runnyeye wrote: You don't gain any experience but they will still drop chests. Hence the main reason why named mobs are not charmable. And yeah I've obtained 4 or 5 master chests this way. __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

01-22-2009, 07:37 PM	#6
Mezzdee07 Journeyman Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 9	So a quick update I hit 34 with 33 AA's.. i decided to try Fallen Gate with the new tricks i learned from you fine folks.. I was a bit shocked the first time in the room with the level 25 gargoyles, but after a couple tries it was awesome. I did the charm suicide until i got to the named mobs. Just in that 1 run I got to the last boss but quickly noticed if i pull him, I get the whole room lol. I obtained a Level 24 master spell for the conjuror pet I was happy and look forward to running again. It was crazy how much I learned about my class with a single run in this dungeon. Many thanks guys. On another note I might try 44861 on my next run to see the difference

01-23-2009, 03:31 PM	#9
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	Yeah I charm burned my way solo through all of the fabled epic updates except for the final step in Maiden's Chamber. Chardok and Sebilis were the only parts that had any difficulty. __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

01-22-2009, 12:38 PM	#1
Mezzdee07 Journeyman Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 9	I noticed in some forums people mentioning "Charm suicide", mostly used when talking about soloing instances or groups. I am only level 33 but was curious as to what that actually meant. On another note, what did most solo coercers pick for master 2 at 34? Thanks again.

01-22-2009, 02:31 PM	#3
Oriax Server: Runnyeye Guild: Sultans of Swing Rank: Caliph (member alt ) Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 193	You don't gain any experience but they will still drop chests. Hence the main reason why named mobs are not charmable.

01-23-2009, 11:06 AM	#7
Xethren Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Okami Shyakai Rank: Den Watcher Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 433	This Charm Suicide is how I cleared my way into Karnor's solo to get the epic update we have in there

01-23-2009, 03:25 PM	#8
Gamer1965 Tester Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 297	Yeah, if you need to get somewhere with no fuss, then let'em beat up each other up.

01-23-2009, 06:34 PM	#10
Mezzdee07 Journeyman Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 9	Man I love this class and can't picture myself playing anything else at the moment. I just hit 36 and leveling in Enchanted lands doing all the quest i can find for some AA. I just noticed that putting points into sylibant or spell lash requires 3 AA's for only 1 point? Wow hefty cost in AA's there but I will save and get it done. I know i am still a baby coercer but dam this is a fun class. I find myself soloing a lot more now without a pet but last night i picked up a Lamia charmer at EL and holy cow I was blasting things away. When i get tired of the pet i simply trash it and feel as effective without one. Someone told me to just try to surpass the 10-30 hump and then after 30+ this class starts coming together. Boy where they right

01-23-2009, 09:36 PM	#11
Xethren Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Okami Shyakai Rank: Den Watcher Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 433	Yup, once you start getting your reactive spells our class gets fun. It gets even better at lvl 65 when you get Possess. You can finally go AFK with a pet without having to worry about coming back to see yourself taking a mid-morning dirt nap

01-29-2009, 03:15 PM	#12
Azekah1 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,887	Despotic mind/Spell lash will make your dps go up a bunch. Also, its nice to have a melee pet around that can trigger your melee procs for you : )

01-29-2009, 03:51 PM	#13
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	Mezzdee07 wrote: Man I love this class and can't picture myself playing anything else at the moment. I've periodically tried to play other classes a few times in the last 3 years. Never lasts very long. This class is just so much more interesting, to me at least, in the complexity of options available to you at any given time. __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

01-30-2009, 04:55 PM	#14
Saassz Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1	Does Charm suicide work for epic updates in chels.?

01-30-2009, 05:00 PM	#15
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	I stun-locked and killed everything because I wasn't 100% sure it would update since it doesn't give an indication until you're complete and didn't want to waste time trying. __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

01-31-2009, 03:58 PM	#16
Oriax Server: Runnyeye Guild: Sultans of Swing Rank: Caliph (member alt ) Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 193	I have never seen a quest as of yet that updates from charm suicide. So your best bet is to grind through them. It is not all that hard really solo, just can be a bit time consuming if your not used to soling yellow heroic content. Even most all of the nameds in there are soloable if you want to give that a try.