GU51 Nullified skill bonus on Jewelry/Armor etcc?

Maroger · 01-18-2009, 11:51 PM

It looks as is Aeralik's latest to changes to stances has nullified any benfit you might get from a +to Defense/parry/crushing/piercing/slashing/spell damage etc/

In essence he has capped those skill to fit in with the negative effects(i.e. Nerf) has had given to each stance so that let's say you are in OFF. Stance with a -20 to Defense. If you look at the numbers for Defense you will see they are in RED and there is a cap on them -- so as I read it you can never raise that DEF skill at your level higher than Aeralik has set it with his Nerf.

So if you old Defense number was 388 lets's say there is no way in OFFENSIVE stance as a soloer that you can ever once again raise your defense to 388 as Aeralik has essentially negated any bonus you might get form ARMOR/JEWELY/AA etc.

This appears to apply for everything == so I gues in DEF Stance you jewelry that gave you +x to your combat skills like crushing/slashing can never be raised higher than Aeralik has set it.

As I see it this renders a lot of jewelry/armor/AA bonuese meaningless.

Panzzzzer · 01-19-2009, 12:03 AM

Dunno what you're talking of, i just logged in and my defense skill is at 420+ in OFF stance, as it is on live.

Maroger · 01-19-2009, 01:07 AM

Vass@Storms wrote:

Dunno what you're talking of, i just logged in and my defense skill is at 420+ in OFF stance, as it is on live.

Yes but what level are you> And how many AA's do you have?

My point is that if you used DEF. Stance prior to GU51 to solo and now have to use OFF stance - you cannot raise you level in OFF stance to EQUAL what it used to be in DEF stance because they have capped it in GU 51 in OFF Stance.

As an SK I always soloed in DEF. Stance and my Defense was 388 -- now that I have to use OFF stance I cannot raise DEFENSE in OFF STANCE to equal what it is in on LIVE in DEF Stance even with jewelry and AA as AERALIK has capped it -- thus negating the effect of skill bonuses on Jewelry/armor and AA.

Putting it another way you cannot use jewelry/AA/Bonus on ARMOR to raise a skill beyond the level AERALIK has defined for via your stance -- I.e. those NERFs he put in.

Tandy · 01-19-2009, 02:08 AM

Maroger wrote:

Vass@Storms wrote:
Dunno what you're talking of, i just logged in and my defense skill is at 420+ in OFF stance, as it is on live.
Yes but what level are you> And how many AA's do you have?
My point is that if you used DEF. Stance prior to GU51 to solo and now have to use OFF stance - you cannot raise you level in OFF stance to EQUAL what it used to be in DEF stance because they have capped it in GU 51 in OFF Stance.
As an SK I always soloed in DEF. Stance and my Defense was 388 -- now that I have to use OFF stance I cannot raise DEFENSE in OFF STANCE to equal what it is in on LIVE in DEF Stance even with jewelry and AA as AERALIK has capped it -- thus negating the effect of skill bonuses on Jewelry/armor and AA.
Putting it another way you cannot use jewelry/AA/Bonus on ARMOR to raise a skill beyond the level AERALIK has defined for via your stance -- I.e. those NERFs he put in.

You are either misunderstanding your stats or flat out spreading misinformation. Level and AA and anything thing else you can think of it do NOT matter on skills. +6 parry will add +6 parry if your lvl 20 with 2 AA or if your 80 with 200 AA. If you have an item that adds to your skills, regardless of what stance your in...you will receive those bonuses. Maybe you cant find the items to raise it as high as you want? I dont know or understand what your trying to say with this.

There was no change that you are describing that I can find or anyone else apparently can find, and for the love of all thats holy please stop spreading misinformation for the people who ARENT on test to see for themselves. There is no hard cap for skills that any dev has placed in game. Also please stop saying things were nerfed just so you type the word in caps.

If you solo in defensive now on live, unless its a hard mob and your low on life...you were gimping yourself already. Offensive has a higher Int bonus on both live and test, which directly effects your dmg on all of your spells.

Tandy · 01-19-2009, 02:16 AM

Logged on test copy again to verify for the 3rd time. In offensive stance with my tanking gear on my def is at 433. Stanceless it is at 453...so the stance has a penalty of -20, just like it says. When i remove my gear...defensive skills hows in RED at 380 (my cap at 80 is 400....so again its -20 just like the stance says). So there is no question at all that skill bonuses from items ARE taking effect as normal.

denmom · 01-19-2009, 04:56 AM

I have to agree with Xaren on this one. I checked Pheep several times in Test and on Live, and she still has the boost to her crush/slash/pierce/range from Battle Leadership plus the pierce from Street Thug ('tonga racial) plus the +5 to c/s/p/r when on her LoN rhino.

When the negative hits, it's taken from her base of 438 which is the 400 skill with the +38 from Battle Leadership, unless it's the piercing skill and that's the extra 5 from her racial.

Either I'm looking at this wrong or you're misunderstanding, no offense meant.

denmom · 01-19-2009, 05:11 AM

Xaren@Unrest wrote:

Logged on test copy again to verify for the 3rd time. In offensive stance with my tanking gear on my def is at 433. Stanceless it is at 453...so the stance has a penalty of -20, just like it says. When i remove my gear...defensive skills hows in RED at 380 (my cap at 80 is 400....so again its -20 just like the stance says). So there is no question at all that skill bonuses from items ARE taking effect as normal.

Yah, just checked my defense on Pheep and found similar.

She has red numbers in off stance, but that's to be expected. The Gauntlets of Sanctification only give a +4 Defense and that's eaten when I hit off stance since it's only a 404 stanceless.

Noaani · 01-19-2009, 07:04 AM

Maroger wrote:

This appears to apply for everything == so I gues in DEF Stance you jewelry that gave you +x to your combat skills like crushing/slashing can never be raised higher than Aeralik has set it.

Could youpost screenshots of what your talking about?

Failing that, post where you defense is at in def stance and off stance and no stance in your normal gear, then post what it is when you take your gear off in both stance as well as no stance.

krrr · 01-19-2009, 09:36 AM

OP is poorly informed at best. If stat is shown in red it means that it is lowered by something (spell, gear, etc) nothing more.

Strade · 01-19-2009, 11:34 AM

Darlock@Runnyeye wrote:

If stat is shown in red it means that it is lowered by something (spell, gear, etc) nothing more.

Exactly

Tel · 01-19-2009, 01:11 PM

I think the OP is trying to say, that if yo aren't lvl 80 and not at skill caps, your DEF skill will not increase in Off. Stance? I'm so confused. SMILEY

Tandy · 01-19-2009, 04:25 PM

Telal@Mistmoore wrote:

I think the OP is trying to say, that if yo aren't lvl 80 and not at skill caps, your DEF skill will not increase in Off. Stance? I'm so confused.

The lvl of someone has no bearing on skill increases only on the max skill you have. something that adds +5 slashing or +5 parry works the same at lvl 20 as it does at lvl 80.

01-19-2009, 12:03 AM	#2
Panzzzzer Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 72	Dunno what you're talking of, i just logged in and my defense skill is at 420+ in OFF stance, as it is on live. __________________

01-19-2009, 01:07 AM	#3
Maroger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,313	Vass@Storms wrote: Dunno what you're talking of, i just logged in and my defense skill is at 420+ in OFF stance, as it is on live. Yes but what level are you> And how many AA's do you have? My point is that if you used DEF. Stance prior to GU51 to solo and now have to use OFF stance - you cannot raise you level in OFF stance to EQUAL what it used to be in DEF stance because they have capped it in GU 51 in OFF Stance. As an SK I always soloed in DEF. Stance and my Defense was 388 -- now that I have to use OFF stance I cannot raise DEFENSE in OFF STANCE to equal what it is in on LIVE in DEF Stance even with jewelry and AA as AERALIK has capped it -- thus negating the effect of skill bonuses on Jewelry/armor and AA. Putting it another way you cannot use jewelry/AA/Bonus on ARMOR to raise a skill beyond the level AERALIK has defined for via your stance -- I.e. those NERFs he put in.

01-19-2009, 02:08 AM	#4
Tandy Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 284	Maroger wrote: Vass@Storms wrote: Dunno what you're talking of, i just logged in and my defense skill is at 420+ in OFF stance, as it is on live. Yes but what level are you> And how many AA's do you have? My point is that if you used DEF. Stance prior to GU51 to solo and now have to use OFF stance - you cannot raise you level in OFF stance to EQUAL what it used to be in DEF stance because they have capped it in GU 51 in OFF Stance. As an SK I always soloed in DEF. Stance and my Defense was 388 -- now that I have to use OFF stance I cannot raise DEFENSE in OFF STANCE to equal what it is in on LIVE in DEF Stance even with jewelry and AA as AERALIK has capped it -- thus negating the effect of skill bonuses on Jewelry/armor and AA. Putting it another way you cannot use jewelry/AA/Bonus on ARMOR to raise a skill beyond the level AERALIK has defined for via your stance -- I.e. those NERFs he put in. You are either misunderstanding your stats or flat out spreading misinformation. Level and AA and anything thing else you can think of it do NOT matter on skills. +6 parry will add +6 parry if your lvl 20 with 2 AA or if your 80 with 200 AA. If you have an item that adds to your skills, regardless of what stance your in...you will receive those bonuses. Maybe you cant find the items to raise it as high as you want? I dont know or understand what your trying to say with this. There was no change that you are describing that I can find or anyone else apparently can find, and for the love of all thats holy please stop spreading misinformation for the people who ARENT on test to see for themselves. There is no hard cap for skills that any dev has placed in game. Also please stop saying things were nerfed just so you type the word in caps. If you solo in defensive now on live, unless its a hard mob and your low on life...you were gimping yourself already. Offensive has a higher Int bonus on both live and test, which directly effects your dmg on all of your spells. __________________

01-19-2009, 02:16 AM	#5
Tandy Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 284	Logged on test copy again to verify for the 3rd time. In offensive stance with my tanking gear on my def is at 433. Stanceless it is at 453...so the stance has a penalty of -20, just like it says. When i remove my gear...defensive skills hows in RED at 380 (my cap at 80 is 400....so again its -20 just like the stance says). So there is no question at all that skill bonuses from items ARE taking effect as normal. __________________

01-19-2009, 04:56 AM	#6
denmom Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paradigm Clutch: Never shift reality without one... Posts: 2,490	I have to agree with Xaren on this one. I checked Pheep several times in Test and on Live, and she still has the boost to her crush/slash/pierce/range from Battle Leadership plus the pierce from Street Thug ('tonga racial) plus the +5 to c/s/p/r when on her LoN rhino. When the negative hits, it's taken from her base of 438 which is the 400 skill with the +38 from Battle Leadership, unless it's the piercing skill and that's the extra 5 from her racial. Either I'm looking at this wrong or you're misunderstanding, no offense meant. __________________ What I do when not playing EQ2: Paradigm Clutch

01-18-2009, 11:51 PM	#1
Maroger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,313	It looks as is Aeralik's latest to changes to stances has nullified any benfit you might get from a +to Defense/parry/crushing/piercing/slashing/spell damage etc/ In essence he has capped those skill to fit in with the negative effects(i.e. Nerf) has had given to each stance so that let's say you are in OFF. Stance with a -20 to Defense. If you look at the numbers for Defense you will see they are in RED and there is a cap on them -- so as I read it you can never raise that DEF skill at your level higher than Aeralik has set it with his Nerf. So if you old Defense number was 388 lets's say there is no way in OFFENSIVE stance as a soloer that you can ever once again raise your defense to 388 as Aeralik has essentially negated any bonus you might get form ARMOR/JEWELY/AA etc. This appears to apply for everything == so I gues in DEF Stance you jewelry that gave you +x to your combat skills like crushing/slashing can never be raised higher than Aeralik has set it. As I see it this renders a lot of jewelry/armor/AA bonuese meaningless.

01-19-2009, 05:11 AM	#7
denmom Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paradigm Clutch: Never shift reality without one... Posts: 2,490	Xaren@Unrest wrote: Logged on test copy again to verify for the 3rd time. In offensive stance with my tanking gear on my def is at 433. Stanceless it is at 453...so the stance has a penalty of -20, just like it says. When i remove my gear...defensive skills hows in RED at 380 (my cap at 80 is 400....so again its -20 just like the stance says). So there is no question at all that skill bonuses from items ARE taking effect as normal. Yah, just checked my defense on Pheep and found similar. She has red numbers in off stance, but that's to be expected. The Gauntlets of Sanctification only give a +4 Defense and that's eaten when I hit off stance since it's only a 404 stanceless. __________________ What I do when not playing EQ2: Paradigm Clutch

01-19-2009, 07:04 AM	#8
Noaani Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,077	Maroger wrote: This appears to apply for everything == so I gues in DEF Stance you jewelry that gave you +x to your combat skills like crushing/slashing can never be raised higher than Aeralik has set it. Could youpost screenshots of what your talking about? Failing that, post where you defense is at in def stance and off stance and no stance in your normal gear, then post what it is when you take your gear off in both stance as well as no stance. __________________ The superior man knows what is right. The inferior man knows what will sell. Confucius

01-19-2009, 09:36 AM	#9
krrr Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 197	OP is poorly informed at best. If stat is shown in red it means that it is lowered by something (spell, gear, etc) nothing more.

01-19-2009, 11:34 AM	#10
Strade Server: Storms Guild: Le Lys Bleu Rank: MaÃ®tre du Lys Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 171	Darlock@Runnyeye wrote: If stat is shown in red it means that it is lowered by something (spell, gear, etc) nothing more. Exactly __________________

01-19-2009, 01:11 PM	#11
Tel General Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 230	I think the OP is trying to say, that if yo aren't lvl 80 and not at skill caps, your DEF skill will not increase in Off. Stance? I'm so confused.

01-19-2009, 04:25 PM	#12
Tandy Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 284	Telal@Mistmoore wrote: I think the OP is trying to say, that if yo aren't lvl 80 and not at skill caps, your DEF skill will not increase in Off. Stance? I'm so confused. The lvl of someone has no bearing on skill increases only on the max skill you have. something that adds +5 slashing or +5 parry works the same at lvl 20 as it does at lvl 80. __________________