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Unread 01-29-2008, 06:20 PM   #1
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Recently, I started the quest line in Enchanted Lands to get the leather foot series of books completed. Along the way you are rewarded with 4 recipes which are:
  • Valefolk Shawl How-To
  • Vale Briarwood Bookcase Plans
  • Hopples Apple Pie Recipe
  • Leatherfoot Knuckles Design
These recipes are for a tailor, carpenter, provisioner and weaponsmithThe recipes are tagged as Lore but can be sold or traded.Personally, I would rather have these recipes changed to be class independent as they are quest rewards so the quester can actually get some use from these recipes beyond selling them for coin. Thoughts?
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Unread 01-29-2008, 09:47 PM   #2
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Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:
Recently, I started the quest line in Enchanted Lands to get the leather foot series of books completed. Along the way you are rewarded with 4 recipes which are:
  • Valefolk Shawl How-To
  • Vale Briarwood Bookcase Plans
  • Hopples Apple Pie Recipe
  • Leatherfoot Knuckles Design
These recipes are for a tailor, carpenter, provisioner and weaponsmithThe recipes are tagged as Lore but can be sold or traded.Personally, I would rather have these recipes changed to be class independent as they are quest rewards so the quester can actually get some use from these recipes beyond selling them for coin. Thoughts?
To do these quests, you have to either have the correct crafting class or buy the products Hopple wants from someone that does. It seems fitting that the reward is something that the people that produce the turn in goods would be interested in. Advanced recipes come from adventurers in most cases, I don't see how this is much different.
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Unread 01-29-2008, 10:02 PM   #3
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Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:
Recently, I started the quest line in Enchanted Lands to get the leather foot series of books completed. Along the way you are rewarded with 4 recipes which are:
  • Valefolk Shawl How-To
  • Vale Briarwood Bookcase Plans
  • Hopples Apple Pie Recipe
  • Leatherfoot Knuckles Design
These recipes are for a tailor, carpenter, provisioner and weaponsmithThe recipes are tagged as Lore but can be sold or traded.Personally, I would rather have these recipes changed to be class independent as they are quest rewards so the quester can actually get some use from these recipes beyond selling them for coin. Thoughts?
To do these quests, you have to either have the correct crafting class or buy the products Hopple wants from someone that does. It seems fitting that the reward is something that the people that produce the turn in goods would be interested in. Advanced recipes come from adventurers in most cases, I don't see how this is much different.
There are many other quests in the game which produce, as a reward, a recipe which is both scribable and usable by any crafting class that receives the recipe as a reward. These recipes are rewards in the middle of a somewhat long quest line in Enchanted Lands. TO advanced the quests you can either make the goods yourself or buy them from the broker. The intent of the quest is to donate goods for a charity fund raiser, it has nothing to do with your ability to make the goods, only to procure them. As the ONLY reward for these quests and not ones that are selectable (choose your crafting class and receive a recipe you can use), it would be nice if you received rewards that you could use. Yes, I could give these to the alts I used to make the crafts but it would certainly be nice to use them on the toon that actually completed the quest(s).The advanced recipes are loot drops and faction purchased and again are merely another form of loot to be sold. These recipes are a quest reward not a random drop so it would be nice if the questor could use them IMO.
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Unread 01-29-2008, 10:13 PM   #4
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Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:
There are many other quests in the game which produce, as a reward, a recipe which is both scribable and usable by any crafting class that receives the recipe as a reward. These recipes are rewards in the middle of a somewhat long quest line in Enchanted Lands. TO advanced the quests you can either make the goods yourself or buy them from the broker. The intent of the quest is to donate goods for a charity fund raiser, it has nothing to do with your ability to make the goods, only to procure them. As the ONLY reward for these quests and not ones that are selectable (choose your crafting class and receive a recipe you can use), it would be nice if you received rewards that you could use. Yes, I could give these to the alts I used to make the crafts but it would certainly be nice to use them on the toon that actually completed the quest(s).The advanced recipes are loot drops and faction purchased and again are merely another form of loot to be sold. These recipes are a quest reward not a random drop so it would be nice if the questor could use them IMO.

Which quests are you thinking of? The only ones I can think of are in KoS. Just the ones in the nest that I can think of. Oh, and the ones to advance various parts of HQ. I don't think those really count. Its not like you can produce and sell wyrmslayers.

And as for rewards you can use...have you gotten any of the quest armor in enchanted lands? Are you using any of it? Did you get any quest armor rewards that you can't use? I'm use to getting things I can't use and have no intention of using even if I could equip it. I did the quests for 1) fun, 2) experience, 3) AA experience. There are very, very few quests I perform for the item reward. Saying that the recipes is the only reward for these quests ignores the experience and AA. I remember doing all of these quests even thought I only could use 1 of the 4 rewards. It would of been cheaper to buy the reward than the turn in items for the previous quest from the broker! I guess we all have our different reasons for doing quests, but I don't see this as a compelling reason to change this, especially after all these years.

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Unread 01-29-2008, 11:41 PM   #5
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Which quests are you thinking of? The only ones I can think of are in KoS. Just the ones in the nest that I can think of. Oh, and the ones to advance various parts of HQ. I don't think those really count. Its not like you can produce and sell wyrmslayers.

And as for rewards you can use...have you gotten any of the quest armor in enchanted lands? Are you using any of it? Did you get any quest armor rewards that you can't use? I'm use to getting things I can't use and have no intention of using even if I could equip it. I did the quests for 1) fun, 2) experience, 3) AA experience. There are very, very few quests I perform for the item reward. Saying that the recipes is the only reward for these quests ignores the experience and AA. I remember doing all of these quests even thought I only could use 1 of the 4 rewards. It would of been cheaper to buy the reward than the turn in items for the previous quest from the broker! I guess we all have our different reasons for doing quests, but I don't see this as a compelling reason to change this, especially after all these years.

Yes, I have gotten much of the quest armor in enchanted lands and yes I am using it (appearance slot FTW! , many of those quested armor sets are somewhat rare in their entirety. ) Unfortunately I will soon have to stop questing until item limits and storage issues are addressed and find another game to play in the meantime I think.At 80/80/400/140 there is 0 reward for XP or AA so I received nothing in the way or those rewards. The other recipes however are of use, again - appearance slot and housing items FTW but alas they are sitting in the bank until the issue is addressed or I simply run out of space to finish accomplishing things and find another place to play and spend my money. For fun, yes, of course I enjoyed running the quest line although the 3rd part of the series involves the tomes which are all sadistic in nature - multiple kill sets but hey, I have the entire set for my collection now so I feel accomplished. And yes, I have often received armor I cant use, much like every HQ reward that has been turned into a house trophy but at least I am using them as decoration in my house. Oh well, just a suggestion....
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Unread 01-30-2008, 08:59 PM   #6
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Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:
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Which quests are you thinking of? The only ones I can think of are in KoS. Just the ones in the nest that I can think of. Oh, and the ones to advance various parts of HQ. I don't think those really count. Its not like you can produce and sell wyrmslayers.

And as for rewards you can use...have you gotten any of the quest armor in enchanted lands? Are you using any of it? Did you get any quest armor rewards that you can't use? I'm use to getting things I can't use and have no intention of using even if I could equip it. I did the quests for 1) fun, 2) experience, 3) AA experience. There are very, very few quests I perform for the item reward. Saying that the recipes is the only reward for these quests ignores the experience and AA. I remember doing all of these quests even thought I only could use 1 of the 4 rewards. It would of been cheaper to buy the reward than the turn in items for the previous quest from the broker! I guess we all have our different reasons for doing quests, but I don't see this as a compelling reason to change this, especially after all these years.

Yes, I have gotten much of the quest armor in enchanted lands and yes I am using it (appearance slot FTW! , many of those quested armor sets are somewhat rare in their entirety. ) Unfortunately I will soon have to stop questing until item limits and storage issues are addressed and find another game to play in the meantime I think.At 80/80/400/140 there is 0 reward for XP or AA so I received nothing in the way or those rewards. The other recipes however are of use, again - appearance slot and housing items FTW but alas they are sitting in the bank until the issue is addressed or I simply run out of space to finish accomplishing things and find another place to play and spend my money. For fun, yes, of course I enjoyed running the quest line although the 3rd part of the series involves the tomes which are all sadistic in nature - multiple kill sets but hey, I have the entire set for my collection now so I feel accomplished. And yes, I have often received armor I cant use, much like every HQ reward that has been turned into a house trophy but at least I am using them as decoration in my house. Oh well, just a suggestion....

Your complaining about doing grey quests with your maxed out character, and the rewards?

Assuming that you have a 5 room house, your also complaining about storage when you could have (6+6+8+4) x40 non inventory items plus 520ish house items on just one character? The only game I can think of that allows for more storage of items is Star Wars Galaxies, and even there with people being allowed to store litteraly thousands of items they still complained about space! I personally don't have any space issues. Do I fill up? Sure I do. Then I go about getting rid of things I'll never use and could replace easily if I wanted to. After a while of doing this I have enough space to go on with whatever I want to do in game.

I guess if your priorites in game is to accumulate as much stuff as possible it would be an issue. However, that is due to your personal decisions of a goal. The game does not encourage this in and of itself at all. Mostly the game encourages you to sell items you arn't going to actively use. You can see this in the origional design where the only source of coin was from selling items to vendors. Corpse coin drops were introduced much later.

Anyways, if you are planning on moving on from EQ2 due to space considerations, I would suggest trying star wars galaxies. You might be able to resolve your space limitations there to your satisfaction.

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Unread 01-31-2008, 10:43 AM   #7
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Everyone who gets any of the recipes can benefit from them by selling them.You have a free choice of which quest to do, and can do one or more.Each of the quests involves the tradeskill the reward is for, though there is a way to complete it without using that tradeskill.There are plenty of quests that give wards that are useless to most classes except for selling. 90% of quests give rewards that are only worth selling.These quests are exceptional only in being for tradeskill classes.Hopples Apple Pie has longer duration than another T4 recipe with stats.It could be considered the best T4 food recipe, and as such it certainly should be provisioner only.Allowing non-provisioners to produce it would be wrong.The only thing that could do with changing for these quests is that they should give tradeskill xp rather than adventuring xp.I wish there were a lot more quests like these, for all tradeskill classes.I don't understand the comment about storage space, unless you like to keep all your quest rewards as trophies, rather than selling, transmuting or sacrificing most of them.
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Unread 01-31-2008, 11:15 AM   #8
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To the comment about sales - many quest rewards are no-trade so selling them off is a moot point.No, I am not complaining, it was a suggestion that said it would be "nice" to be able to use these itemsYes, the game does in-fact encourage collecting and acquiring items, IE - all the "house placed" trophies, collection items, no-trade items, appearance tab for using older or non-stat gear, etc.Yes, it is a personal play style choice. I am an avid collector in real life and play games that have these components also.Yes, I can sell the recipes for coin, something I acknowledged in the first post and specifically stated it would be nice to actually use them for their intent beyond just selling for coin. To that end, yes I can use them as I have all crafting classes represented in one of the several accounts I have for the game but logically as a roleplayer would think the toon that received the reward should be able to use it.Yes, storage is an issue for many people whether it is for you or not, it remains that it is an issue for many people in the game. Not everyone has a playstyle of sell and/or destroy. Storage is discussed in many threads and this was not intended to be one of them as it was merely a suggestion.These 4 sub-quest appear in the middle of a lengthy questline and would not be doable by a low level adventurer of an appropriate crafting level. The first 6-8 quests which are required to open this set require killing mobs of T4 level so it doest seem appropriate to consider them for crafting xp given the pre-requisite requirements.
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I just wish they weren't lore since it makes it difficult to pass to crafting alts which aren't adventurers (and so can't get them on their own).
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In case the last poster did not know.  You can now place lore items in your guild bank.
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Drakhen@Oasis wrote:
In case the last poster did not know.  You can now place lore items in your guild bank.
Not in the shared bank though. Just tried this and it would not accept those lore recipes in the shared bank slots. You can; however, place them in a guild bank if you have access to one and although I have not tested it today I think you can mail lore items as long as the recipient does not already have that item in their possession.
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Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:
Drakhen@Oasis wrote:
In case the last poster did not know.  You can now place lore items in your guild bank.
Not in the shared bank though. Just tried this and it would not accept those lore recipes in the shared bank slots. You can; however, place them in a guild bank if you have access to one and although I have not tested it today I think you can mail lore items as long as the recipient does not already have that item in their possession.
Yes....guild bank and/or mailing lore items will transfer the items...
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