Level locked PvP XP makes zero sense

Ry · 12-06-2007, 08:56 PM

What is the point of this idea? So that the people complaining about level locked players can be repeativily ganked by the same people at level 80. This will be the outcome to the game on all the PvP servers. Just like it is on VoX and any other DEAD PvP servers ON ANY MMO. Its something that happened to SWG, Vanguard, and many other S.O.E. related or non related titles. Sure let the nerds play together, at their high tiers. LOL you are the people that the general people make fun of and call losers in real life. Because all you do is level grind for months and raid for years. FOR WHAT? WASTE OF A LIFE...Its much easier to level 26 AA at level 17 than it is 140AA at level 80. Simple math...

On a final note:

S.O.E. do what you want, but my guildmates and myself will not be paying $30 a month w/ the station pass to play EQ 2. BTW, I dont even play any of the other titles in your line of MMO, because S.O.E. has managed to screw them all up. What was once a great game Star Wars Galaxy, became the BIGGEST BUST in MMO history with Vanguard. This not an intended insult to S.O.E., just the facts and a cauction to the future of S.O.E.'s best ever MMO title, EQ 2. I know this the game that pays for the lights, the servers, the maintainence, and the paychecks to S.O.E. and it's employees.

Ronen / Nickola Cannon Fodder - Nagafen server The Daddy of the PvP servers

Alkizar · 12-06-2007, 09:21 PM

So true SOE has messed up every game they've hosted up to the present date. I've played every game SOE has come out with so far except for Matrix, and yes they have screwed up every one of them. The ban on pvp locking hasnt even gone live yet, and people have already started to cancel their accounts. So far my guild has lost one player because of it, and has the potential to lose even more. Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp. SOE should just give those who cant handle pvp the opportunity to move their toons to a blue server instead of doing away with level locking.

Greenion · 12-06-2007, 09:45 PM

well gee welcome to the eqii pvp forum.

the change isnt necessarily the end of the world, it really depends on how one looks at the game.

it may turn out to be a good thing.

if players cant as efficiently flee pvp...it will in fact become ultra hard to really really twink, and stay twinked.

when this forum first began, before initial pvp beta....we talked alot about twinks...even before the pve version first launched and before we were told not to talk about pvp on the pre launch forum, the pvp peeps there then had talked about the twinking problems of eqlive, deleveling...and etcs...

it was stated by many that they did not want a game of twinked pvp for eqii...they wanted more involved and fairer combat.

because of the level restraints on gear, the difficulties of keeping skills/spells up to date...and the inevitable gain in adventure experience via pvp at very least thrust upon a player...twinking in general will become a more spottish enterprise...

due to the gradual xp gain in general any character might be a little more middle of the road as far as gear and skill/spells...which in turn creates a closer playing field...

that is...if peeps choose to see it that way and not see it as a flat penalty...

players see it as a penalty because they were allowed to get used to a design that allowed one to not at all progress...which makes no sense...xp level is quite akin to age in a game of this nature...we often refer to levels as seasons. what has been in design as level locking is a time stasis (where a character does not age, but becomes wiser while existing in the ageless stasis (aa xp, spell/skillups, etcs)

so ultimately it depends on how it is percieved by the player - whether they are long lived enough to recall many of the initial talks of eqii pvp design...they wanted a fair pvp game thats fun...

it isnt something im going to flip out over at all...i think potentially many peeps will though.

wellehad0 · 12-07-2007, 12:02 AM

Greenion wrote:

well gee welcome to the eqii pvp forum.
the change isnt necessarily the end of the world, it really depends on how one looks at the game.
it may turn out to be a good thing.
if players cant as efficiently flee pvp...it will in fact become ultra hard to really really twink, and stay twinked.
when this forum first began, before initial pvp beta....we talked alot about twinks...even before the pve version first launched and before we were told not to talk about pvp on the pre launch forum, the pvp peeps there then had talked about the twinking problems of eqlive, deleveling...and etcs...
it was stated by many that they did not want a game of twinked pvp for eqii...they wanted more involved and fairer combat.
because of the level restraints on gear, the difficulties of keeping skills/spells up to date...and the inevitable gain in adventure experience via pvp at very least thrust upon a player...twinking in general will become a more spottish enterprise...
due to the gradual xp gain in general any character might be a little more middle of the road as far as gear and skill/spells...which in turn creates a closer playing field...
that is...if peeps choose to see it that way and not see it as a flat penalty...
players see it as a penalty because they were allowed to get used to a design that allowed one to not at all progress...which makes no sense...xp level is quite akin to age in a game of this nature...we often refer to levels as seasons. what has been in design as level locking is a time stasis (where a character does not age, but becomes wiser while existing in the ageless stasis (aa xp, spell/skillups, etcs)
so ultimately it depends on how it is percieved by the player - whether they are long lived enough to recall many of the initial talks of eqii pvp design...they wanted a fair pvp game thats fun...
it isnt something im going to flip out over at all...i think potentially many peeps will though.

ok your post makes no since the pvp lvl locking system servers going is what has keep the pvp servers from becoming a Quest grind.. i to will cancle my account if this ever goes live... i have done the long grind and raids in wow and that is why i came here for somthing new.. now what we will have is a wow style world PVP wihtout even having battle grounds.. so what now we all go to lvl 80 and have to deal with the raid groups stomping us in less then a second.. SOE either hates money or hates its on playerbase because this change ticks way more people off then it pleases.. with two other MMO's comming out that is based around PVP SOE should have been doing everything they could to keep there lon gtime players not say we choose the few new players over you....

Dibs · 12-07-2007, 12:03 AM

Every time ive heared people complain about level locking, they complain that its impossible to compeat with toons that have high aa and awsome gear....

So im assuming these same people are going to be really happy when the hit lvl 60 and go into unlimited pvp range zones, and fight people 20 levels above them who have had time to get full fabled gear and max aa?

They complain that tier 2/3 is full of twinks that only run in groups killing noobs....

There going to love raid guilds at tier 7/8, who grief the crap out of anything that moves then arnt they.

The truth is no new players have called for this change, its veterans that have spent time and money gearing out there high level characters only to find people (potential targets) are happyer pvping in tier 2, because its more ballenced, easyer to group, easyer to gear out, and easyer to re roll your character if you dont like it.

The change makes no sence for one huge reason, if people dont like tier 2 they can level out of it. The change will no doubt make high level players happy, its more easy kills coming there way, im getting tired of hearing the same old "new players are leaving" excuse tho...

The only good thing coming from this is all the smug wankers who are sooo pleased with the new change and keep screaming whhhaaa (which is ironic as its crying that got this update) in 10-19 might not be thinging the same way if half the population leaves. I think soe will be supprised as to how many people this ticks off.

I have both tier 7 toons and tier 2/3 locks and Ive already cancled my account.... Have fun all SMILEY )

Greenion · 12-07-2007, 12:29 AM

Qslaughter@Nagafen wrote:

Greenion wrote:
well gee welcome to the eqii pvp forum.
the change isnt necessarily the end of the world, it really depends on how one looks at the game.
it may turn out to be a good thing.
if players cant as efficiently flee pvp...it will in fact become ultra hard to really really twink, and stay twinked.
when this forum first began, before initial pvp beta....we talked alot about twinks...even before the pve version first launched and before we were told not to talk about pvp on the pre launch forum, the pvp peeps there then had talked about the twinking problems of eqlive, deleveling...and etcs...
it was stated by many that they did not want a game of twinked pvp for eqii...they wanted more involved and fairer combat.
because of the level restraints on gear, the difficulties of keeping skills/spells up to date...and the inevitable gain in adventure experience via pvp at very least thrust upon a player...twinking in general will become a more spottish enterprise...
due to the gradual xp gain in general any character might be a little more middle of the road as far as gear and skill/spells...which in turn creates a closer playing field...
that is...if peeps choose to see it that way and not see it as a flat penalty...
players see it as a penalty because they were allowed to get used to a design that allowed one to not at all progress...which makes no sense...xp level is quite akin to age in a game of this nature...we often refer to levels as seasons. what has been in design as level locking is a time stasis (where a character does not age, but becomes wiser while existing in the ageless stasis (aa xp, spell/skillups, etcs)
so ultimately it depends on how it is percieved by the player - whether they are long lived enough to recall many of the initial talks of eqii pvp design...they wanted a fair pvp game thats fun...
it isnt something im going to flip out over at all...i think potentially many peeps will though.
ok your post makes no ~~since~~ sense the pvp lvl locking system servers going is what has keep the pvp servers from becoming a Quest grind.. i to will cancle my account if this ever goes live... i have done the long grind and raids in wow and that is why i came here for somthing new.. now what we will have is a wow style world PVP wihtout even having battle grounds.. so what now we all go to lvl 80 and have to deal with the raid groups stomping us in less then a second.. SOE either hates money or hates its on playerbase because this change ticks way more people off then it pleases.. with two other MMO's comming out that is based around PVP SOE should have been doing everything they could to keep there lon gtime players not say we choose the few new players over you....

perhaps they believe many longtime pvprs would already do what they very well might do anyway change or not...and the most likely source of high retention came more from players new to pvp (vets to eqii) as well as new to eqii. (as well as existing longterm eqii pvp vets)

and, like i said, over time, it will somewhat water down the itemcentricity of live eqii pvp gameplay.

Shindah · 12-07-2007, 12:38 AM

T2 twinking makes twinking available to all!

T7 twinking makes it only available to the raiders!

I would like to raid buy dont have time! (like the majority)

It takes only a few hours to level out of T2 if you dont like it, But you are stuck in T7 or T8! Nuff said about MY opinion.

My background started at game launch, have two toons on Najeena and the rest in pvp. Most are high level.

currently with time constraints in RL i can jump onto T2 pvp and there is lots of it and its a blast. That gets taken away, I like a lot of people ive talked to about it, will not have the time to play the game and have fun. that said it would then be a waste of money paying for a game each month i havnt time to play . so ill be out i suppose.

Wouldnt leave game out of anger, just cant justify paying and not being able to play.

To wrap up PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO LEAVING, DONT OVERLOOK the fact you might have a yearly subscription ready to be renewed... Im changeing my subscription now back to monthly so if it goes live i can leave without haveing to be slugged a full year in subscription costs.. HOPE THAT saved some of you some hard earned cash SMILEY

Happy holidays!!!!!!!

Ry · 12-07-2007, 12:40 AM

Dibs@Nagafen wrote:

Every time ive heared people complain about level locking, they complain that its impossible to compeat with toons that have high aa and awsome gear....
So im assuming these same people are going to be really happy when the hit lvl 60 and go into unlimited pvp range zones, and fight people 20 levels above them who have had time to get full fabled gear and max aa?
They complain that tier 2/3 is full of twinks that only run in groups killing noobs....
There going to love raid guilds at tier 7/8, who grief the crap out of anything that moves then arnt they.
The truth is no new players have called for this change, its veterans that have spent time and money gearing out there high level characters only to find people (potential targets) are happyer pvping in tier 2, because its more ballenced, easyer to group, easyer to gear out, and easyer to re roll your character if you dont like it.
The change makes no sence for one huge reason, if people dont like tier 2 they can level out of it. The change will no doubt make high level players happy, its more easy kills coming there way, im getting tired of hearing the same old "new players are leaving" excuse tho...
The only good thing coming from this is all the smug wankers who are sooo pleased with the new change and keep screaming whhhaaa (which is ironic as its crying that got this update) in 10-19 might not be thinging the same way if half the population leaves. I think soe will be supprised as to how many people this ticks off.
I have both tier 7 toons and tier 2/3 locks and Ive already cancled my account.... Have fun all " width="15" height="15"&gt

AMEN Dibs....point well taken and spot on! T2 is the PvP GAME, it is the BEST of the BEST in PvP...if it wasnt, why are there T7/8 players on it then? If you talk with these T 2/3 players(w/ lvl 70-80... each one of these players have been playing the game for years. Let alone the EQ1 title as well. They all, HANDS down, recommend PvP in t2 as the best overall PvP tier when it comes to skill, non hackers/exploiters, and most importantly the FUN factor. When I first joined this game, everyone I knew who had end game toons> After end game, they all played their t2 and t3 pvp toons over 80% of their time in the game..despite having a large x3 raid of 70's to support the raid/pvp cause.

Ry · 12-07-2007, 12:55 AM

Shindah wrote:

T2 twinking makes twinking available to all!
T7 twinking makes it only available to the raiders!
I would like to raid buy dont have time! (like the majority)
It takes only a few hours to level out of T2 if you dont like it, But you are stuck in T7 or T8! Nuff said about MY opinion.
My background started at game launch, have two toons on Najeena and the rest in pvp. Most are high level.
currently with time constraints in RL i can jump onto T2 pvp and there is lots of it and its a blast. That gets taken away, I like a lot of people ive talked to about it, will not have the time to play the game and have fun. that said it would then be a waste of money paying for a game each month i havnt time to play . so ill be out i suppose.
Wouldnt leave game out of anger, just cant justify paying and not being able to play.
To wrap up PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO LEAVING, DONT OVERLOOK the fact you might have a yearly subscription ready to be renewed... Im changeing my subscription now back to monthly so if it goes live i can leave without haveing to be slugged a full year in subscription costs.. HOPE THAT saved some of you some hard earned cash " width="15" height="15">
Happy holidays!!!!!!!

ANOTHER BRILLANT POST! Thats what I'm talkin about brother...Shindah, well said and kudos for the support. People with A LIFE, WHO ACTUALLY PAY THEIR OWN MONTHLY FEE, enjoy T2 or T3. Its by far the best PvP and doesnt take 500plat, not to mention raiding for exclusive gear...to make your toon competitve.

So SOE wants all these kids to spend their X-mas money on buying plat online off of SOE. I guess they are tired of the people who only buy small amounts of plat instead of the 200+ plat people at t6-7-8 buy just to make a higher tier toon. Only to find out they cant do anything, becasue you have everyone in their monther WARP HACKING, SPEED HACKING(AKA MAUWI/Messia-of Illuminati..., EXPLOITING, and anything else you can think of.

Oh ya, also at t2, there is no EVAC...or GAYVAC as us real PvP players call it...

ladyvengeance · 12-07-2007, 01:00 AM

Shindah wrote:

T2 twinking makes twinking available to all!
T7 twinking makes it only available to the raiders!
I would like to raid buy dont have time! (like the majority)
It takes only a few hours to level out of T2 if you dont like it, But you are stuck in T7 or T8! Nuff said about MY opinion.
My background started at game launch, have two toons on Najeena and the rest in pvp. Most are high level.
currently with time constraints in RL i can jump onto T2 pvp and there is lots of it and its a blast. That gets taken away, I like a lot of people ive talked to about it, will not have the time to play the game and have fun. that said it would then be a waste of money paying for a game each month i havnt time to play . so ill be out i suppose.
Wouldnt leave game out of anger, just cant justify paying and not being able to play.
To wrap up PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO LEAVING, DONT OVERLOOK the fact you might have a yearly subscription ready to be renewed... Im changeing my subscription now back to monthly so if it goes live i can leave without haveing to be slugged a full year in subscription costs.. HOPE THAT saved some of you some hard earned cash " width="15" height="15" />
Happy holidays!!!!!!!

This is a very good point - I feel very sorry for those of you with yearly subscriptions who are against this idiotic change - that's a lot of money down the drain. Luckily my subscription is up at the beginning of January; I won't be renewing. It's been really fun for the past year, but it's time to say goodbye. And to be clear, I'm not quitting out of anger. It's just sad when SOE listens to all the whiners and changes one of the best parts of the game. I just can't justify spending money on a game each month without lower tier pvp.

Cya.

Spyderbite · 12-07-2007, 03:24 AM

Alkizar wrote:

Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp.

I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" SMILEY

SaraBH · 12-07-2007, 05:35 PM

Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:

Alkizar wrote:
Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp.
I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15" />

Finally some truth on this post i was about to give up on it.

Bozidar · 12-07-2007, 05:47 PM

Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:

Alkizar wrote:
Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp.
I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15" />

If we can steer this conversation away from T2, and point out that this change will spoil locked pvp for ALL tiers of the game?

I'm a veteran of T3 pvp more than anything else, and was looking foward to moving some more toons slowly through it.

Now? It's going to be done, gone.

Newbs and underpowered toons are all that's going to be LEFT for me to fight in those level ranges. Those that don't leave, will level away..

So while i sympathize with those that want the twinking problem to go away, i do think that is probably a bit too much of change to affect 69 levels of players out there enjoying the game.

Atm, i don't know if i'd quit over this. It kinda sucks that i'm grinding a toon up (lvl 55 atm), and it's just so gosh darn BORING! I HATE playing like this.. but it sucks up all my time, and i barely get to pvp anymore because of this "project 80" stuff.

If they change the game so that ALL my toons will become "Project 80", then i have to say my chances of being flat-out-done with the game are dramatically increased.

I'm here for the pvp folks, and if i have to level 79 times to really enjoy the great fights i used to participate in through ALL tiers of the game.. well. I'll be sadly disappointed.

SaraBH · 12-07-2007, 06:00 PM

Ryiu wrote:

Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:
Alkizar wrote:
Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp.
I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15">
LOL, look what Spyderbye, a typical t8 n00b says above. On Nagafen, THE DADDY OF PVP SERVERS has already 60-80% of the veteran players ready to leave the game. Only to be replaced by a small number of n00bs. Now who will be ganking n00bs. Spyderbyte, the loner, all alone on a noob server fight people with no gear...typical degenerate of society. LOL, do you even know S.o.E. and it's past? Ever experienced the changes of the games they have already fvcked up?
Make a toon on an ACTUALLY PvP server (such as nagafen) and fight ACTUAL TWINKS. LOL your on VENEKOR, THE HOME OF THE N00Bs - SERVER.....Make a toon of Nagafen, then do some talking, til then, Spyderbite your another mindless person stuck on t8 just talking out off your [I cannot control my vocabulary] w/o any clue or point. Anyway, you sound like you need to obtain a life and need to actually take break from the game OR GET A JOB. Or maybe its the fact you lack the knowledge of READING...typical of ignorance...just starts talking instead of understanding.

60-80% really? Wow all those people were playing on the only server? Wow i had no idea that one server dictated what was the norm everywere? Someone needs to tell SOE that if it dont happen on your server it dont happen.

Even if what you say is true and there is good T2 PvP on your server. There was a problem on other servers and it needed to be addressed or they would have left it. If that affects your fun im sorry your not the only people here and if you cant deal? Well dont let the hit you were the good lord split you on the way out.

If SOE is so bad and you already know how bad they are at "Breaking" games why were you paying them? Me personnally i like what SOE has done allong with quite a few others. You some how think you are more important? Everyone has a right to have fun and if SOE really thinks this is the way for MORE people to have more fun then thats what there going to do.

If you really think you can do it so much better make your own game and maybe ill play that when SOE buys it. Till then you can play or not your choice. You want to complain /feedback till your blue in the face but attacking others here? Thats just silly

Dh · 12-07-2007, 06:03 PM

Its sad to see soo many closed minded level lockers that think PVP combat XP = bad.

You will slowly level with the same people you have been locked with. You will go to new locations and get your new class defining abilities to use in combat. Who says you have to rush to end game? I never once locked combat XP on any of my toons and I never had a problem killing people in pvp. Max AA points do make your character more powerful but skill greatly outweighs AA points. The higher level you are, the more hitpoints you have to compensate for lack of the best gear giving people a better chance at winning a fight.

I'm sure sony knew people would cry about this change but they know for a fact t2 level lockers are making the populations on PVP servers disapear by running out the new players.

BTW I don't raid for gear at end game since there are extremely nice PVP fabled sets. Saying you have to spend months raiding to compete is just ignorant.

Bloodfa · 12-07-2007, 06:09 PM

Ryiu wrote:

Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:
Alkizar wrote:
Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp.
I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15">
LOL, look what Spyderbye, a typical t8 n00b says above. On Nagafen, THE DADDY OF PVP SERVERS has already 60-80% of the veteran players ready to leave the game. Only to be replaced by a small number of n00bs. Now who will be ganking n00bs. Spyderbyte, the loner, all alone on a noob server fight people with no gear...typical degenerate of society. LOL, do you even know S.o.E. and it's past? Ever experienced the changes of the games they have already fvcked up?
Make a toon on an ACTUALLY PvP server (such as nagafen) and fight ACTUAL TWINKS. LOL your on VENEKOR, THE HOME OF THE N00Bs - SERVER.....Make a toon of Nagafen, then do some talking, til then, Spyderbite your another mindless person stuck on t8 just talking out off your [I cannot control my vocabulary] w/o any clue or point. Anyway, you sound like you need to obtain a life and need to actually take break from the game OR GET A JOB. Or maybe its the fact you lack the knowledge of READING...typical of ignorance...just starts typing instead of understanding.

60 to 80% of the veterans ready to quit? If you're going to pull number out of the sky, try to make them believable. Grats on coming up with such an innovative dig, too. Typical of ignorance ... the loss of your account will surely bankrupt Sony. Whatever will they do? I know ... they'll just offset it with a new account from somebody who comes back to the game.

The sky is not falling. It's not even getting dark out yet. Unless you're going to level up from 100 kills, I wouldn't call this a game-breaking change.

Boz, I hope you stick it out. I've been hoping to eventually run into you up here. SMILEY Seriously, the T8 PvP is where skill shines over gear. The dead 80's wearing mostly fabled getting beat by treasured toons with Adept I's must be scratching their heads in wonderment, as it's the most balanced tier yet since day 1, provided you know how to play your toon and have a decent group. The 50's can be a bore, but the 60's are usually challenging fights.

ckl · 12-07-2007, 06:10 PM

Dhye@Nagafen wrote:

Its sad to see soo many closed minded level lockers that think PVP combat XP = bad.
You will slowly level with the same people you have been locked with. You will go to new locations and get your new class defining abilities to use in combat. Who says you have to rush to end game? I never once locked combat XP on any of my toons and I never had a problem killing people in pvp. Max AA points do make your character more powerful but skill greatly outweighs AA points. The higher level you are, the more hitpoints you have to compensate for lack of the best gear giving people a better chance at winning a fight.
I'm sure sony knew people would cry about this change but they know for a fact t2 level lockers are making the populations on PVP servers disapear by running out the new players.
BTW I don't raid for gear at end game since there are extremely nice PVP fabled sets. Saying you have to spend months raiding to compete is just ignorant.

Oh but it's replaced with the WoW-esque honor grind system!

I posted this possible fix in another thread... might as well repost it here, too:

"Why couldn't they have put in a tracker that would carnage flag you if you killed someone repeatedly, or had a majority of your kills be against blues and greens? That way there'd be consquences for griefing and newbie killing. Or maybe make the person a temporary exile in effect, allowing both sides to attack them for a time, and if they die during this period the go straight to their home city instead of a revive zone? That way if there's a level 14 of my own side camping the newbie zone, I can send his [I cannot control my vocabulary] back to Qeynos?"

Bozidar · 12-07-2007, 06:14 PM

Dhye@Nagafen wrote:

I'm sure sony knew people would cry about this change but they know for a fact t2 level lockers are making the populations on PVP servers disapear by running out the new players.

if T2 were the problem they coudl have fixed t2 and left the rest alone.

Dibs · 12-07-2007, 06:20 PM

Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:

Alkizar wrote:
Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp.
I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15" />

This "fantasy island" is called nagafen m8...

Ive noticed lots of people saying tier 2 is not all its cracked up to be, all from venakor. I could load up a toon right now in tier 2, untitled or Drednaught and im guarenteed a good (no ganking hacking or raid gear needed) solo or group fight within 2 mins.

We have guild members from venakor who said the same about tier 2/3 over there so perhaps this update wont consern you.

One thing that should consern you is the fact that EQ2 has no advertising, has already merged servers and its almost impossible to buy a copy of EQ2 in shops, so your phazing out the trash idea where all the people leaving will be replaced by the obvious masses coming to the game (ive not met 3 genuine new players since RoK) might not be a succesfull as you think.

Leaving level locking in place might make a few LOUD whining people keep on whining, but removing it ends the game for a lot of us.

Echgar · 12-07-2007, 06:36 PM

There is already a thread discussing this issue. Rather than start another thread to talk about the same issue, please participate in this thread if you wish to discuss this subject.I understand this change is something players are very passionate about, both pro and con. Let's keep the discussion civil though please.

12-06-2007, 09:45 PM	#3
Greenion Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: behind you, stealthed. Posts: 876	well gee welcome to the eqii pvp forum. the change isnt necessarily the end of the world, it really depends on how one looks at the game. it may turn out to be a good thing. if players cant as efficiently flee pvp...it will in fact become ultra hard to really really twink, and stay twinked. when this forum first began, before initial pvp beta....we talked alot about twinks...even before the pve version first launched and before we were told not to talk about pvp on the pre launch forum, the pvp peeps there then had talked about the twinking problems of eqlive, deleveling...and etcs... it was stated by many that they did not want a game of twinked pvp for eqii...they wanted more involved and fairer combat. because of the level restraints on gear, the difficulties of keeping skills/spells up to date...and the inevitable gain in adventure experience via pvp at very least thrust upon a player...twinking in general will become a more spottish enterprise... due to the gradual xp gain in general any character might be a little more middle of the road as far as gear and skill/spells...which in turn creates a closer playing field... that is...if peeps choose to see it that way and not see it as a flat penalty... players see it as a penalty because they were allowed to get used to a design that allowed one to not at all progress...which makes no sense...xp level is quite akin to age in a game of this nature...we often refer to levels as seasons. what has been in design as level locking is a time stasis (where a character does not age, but becomes wiser while existing in the ageless stasis (aa xp, spell/skillups, etcs) so ultimately it depends on how it is percieved by the player - whether they are long lived enough to recall many of the initial talks of eqii pvp design...they wanted a fair pvp game thats fun... it isnt something im going to flip out over at all...i think potentially many peeps will though. __________________

12-07-2007, 12:02 AM	#4
wellehad0 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 335	Greenion wrote: well gee welcome to the eqii pvp forum. the change isnt necessarily the end of the world, it really depends on how one looks at the game. it may turn out to be a good thing. if players cant as efficiently flee pvp...it will in fact become ultra hard to really really twink, and stay twinked. when this forum first began, before initial pvp beta....we talked alot about twinks...even before the pve version first launched and before we were told not to talk about pvp on the pre launch forum, the pvp peeps there then had talked about the twinking problems of eqlive, deleveling...and etcs... it was stated by many that they did not want a game of twinked pvp for eqii...they wanted more involved and fairer combat. because of the level restraints on gear, the difficulties of keeping skills/spells up to date...and the inevitable gain in adventure experience via pvp at very least thrust upon a player...twinking in general will become a more spottish enterprise... due to the gradual xp gain in general any character might be a little more middle of the road as far as gear and skill/spells...which in turn creates a closer playing field... that is...if peeps choose to see it that way and not see it as a flat penalty... players see it as a penalty because they were allowed to get used to a design that allowed one to not at all progress...which makes no sense...xp level is quite akin to age in a game of this nature...we often refer to levels as seasons. what has been in design as level locking is a time stasis (where a character does not age, but becomes wiser while existing in the ageless stasis (aa xp, spell/skillups, etcs) so ultimately it depends on how it is percieved by the player - whether they are long lived enough to recall many of the initial talks of eqii pvp design...they wanted a fair pvp game thats fun... it isnt something im going to flip out over at all...i think potentially many peeps will though. ok your post makes no since the pvp lvl locking system servers going is what has keep the pvp servers from becoming a Quest grind.. i to will cancle my account if this ever goes live... i have done the long grind and raids in wow and that is why i came here for somthing new.. now what we will have is a wow style world PVP wihtout even having battle grounds.. so what now we all go to lvl 80 and have to deal with the raid groups stomping us in less then a second.. SOE either hates money or hates its on playerbase because this change ticks way more people off then it pleases.. with two other MMO's comming out that is based around PVP SOE should have been doing everything they could to keep there lon gtime players not say we choose the few new players over you....

12-07-2007, 12:03 AM	#5
Dibs Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 10	Every time ive heared people complain about level locking, they complain that its impossible to compeat with toons that have high aa and awsome gear.... So im assuming these same people are going to be really happy when the hit lvl 60 and go into unlimited pvp range zones, and fight people 20 levels above them who have had time to get full fabled gear and max aa? They complain that tier 2/3 is full of twinks that only run in groups killing noobs.... There going to love raid guilds at tier 7/8, who grief the crap out of anything that moves then arnt they. The truth is no new players have called for this change, its veterans that have spent time and money gearing out there high level characters only to find people (potential targets) are happyer pvping in tier 2, because its more ballenced, easyer to group, easyer to gear out, and easyer to re roll your character if you dont like it. The change makes no sence for one huge reason, if people dont like tier 2 they can level out of it. The change will no doubt make high level players happy, its more easy kills coming there way, im getting tired of hearing the same old "new players are leaving" excuse tho... The only good thing coming from this is all the smug wankers who are sooo pleased with the new change and keep screaming whhhaaa (which is ironic as its crying that got this update) in 10-19 might not be thinging the same way if half the population leaves. I think soe will be supprised as to how many people this ticks off. I have both tier 7 toons and tier 2/3 locks and Ive already cancled my account.... Have fun all )

12-07-2007, 12:29 AM	#6
Greenion Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: behind you, stealthed. Posts: 876	Qslaughter@Nagafen wrote: Greenion wrote: well gee welcome to the eqii pvp forum. the change isnt necessarily the end of the world, it really depends on how one looks at the game. it may turn out to be a good thing. if players cant as efficiently flee pvp...it will in fact become ultra hard to really really twink, and stay twinked. when this forum first began, before initial pvp beta....we talked alot about twinks...even before the pve version first launched and before we were told not to talk about pvp on the pre launch forum, the pvp peeps there then had talked about the twinking problems of eqlive, deleveling...and etcs... it was stated by many that they did not want a game of twinked pvp for eqii...they wanted more involved and fairer combat. because of the level restraints on gear, the difficulties of keeping skills/spells up to date...and the inevitable gain in adventure experience via pvp at very least thrust upon a player...twinking in general will become a more spottish enterprise... due to the gradual xp gain in general any character might be a little more middle of the road as far as gear and skill/spells...which in turn creates a closer playing field... that is...if peeps choose to see it that way and not see it as a flat penalty... players see it as a penalty because they were allowed to get used to a design that allowed one to not at all progress...which makes no sense...xp level is quite akin to age in a game of this nature...we often refer to levels as seasons. what has been in design as level locking is a time stasis (where a character does not age, but becomes wiser while existing in the ageless stasis (aa xp, spell/skillups, etcs) so ultimately it depends on how it is percieved by the player - whether they are long lived enough to recall many of the initial talks of eqii pvp design...they wanted a fair pvp game thats fun... it isnt something im going to flip out over at all...i think potentially many peeps will though. ok your post makes no ~~since~~ sense the pvp lvl locking system servers going is what has keep the pvp servers from becoming a Quest grind.. i to will cancle my account if this ever goes live... i have done the long grind and raids in wow and that is why i came here for somthing new.. now what we will have is a wow style world PVP wihtout even having battle grounds.. so what now we all go to lvl 80 and have to deal with the raid groups stomping us in less then a second.. SOE either hates money or hates its on playerbase because this change ticks way more people off then it pleases.. with two other MMO's comming out that is based around PVP SOE should have been doing everything they could to keep there lon gtime players not say we choose the few new players over you.... perhaps they believe many longtime pvprs would already do what they very well might do anyway change or not...and the most likely source of high retention came more from players new to pvp (vets to eqii) as well as new to eqii. (as well as existing longterm eqii pvp vets) and, like i said, over time, it will somewhat water down the itemcentricity of live eqii pvp gameplay. __________________

12-07-2007, 12:38 AM	#7
Shindah Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	T2 twinking makes twinking available to all! T7 twinking makes it only available to the raiders! I would like to raid buy dont have time! (like the majority) It takes only a few hours to level out of T2 if you dont like it, But you are stuck in T7 or T8! Nuff said about MY opinion. My background started at game launch, have two toons on Najeena and the rest in pvp. Most are high level. currently with time constraints in RL i can jump onto T2 pvp and there is lots of it and its a blast. That gets taken away, I like a lot of people ive talked to about it, will not have the time to play the game and have fun. that said it would then be a waste of money paying for a game each month i havnt time to play . so ill be out i suppose. Wouldnt leave game out of anger, just cant justify paying and not being able to play. To wrap up PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO LEAVING, DONT OVERLOOK the fact you might have a yearly subscription ready to be renewed... Im changeing my subscription now back to monthly so if it goes live i can leave without haveing to be slugged a full year in subscription costs.. HOPE THAT saved some of you some hard earned cash Happy holidays!!!!!!!

12-06-2007, 08:56 PM	#1
Ry General Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 12	What is the point of this idea? So that the people complaining about level locked players can be repeativily ganked by the same people at level 80. This will be the outcome to the game on all the PvP servers. Just like it is on VoX and any other DEAD PvP servers ON ANY MMO. Its something that happened to SWG, Vanguard, and many other S.O.E. related or non related titles. Sure let the nerds play together, at their high tiers. LOL you are the people that the general people make fun of and call losers in real life. Because all you do is level grind for months and raid for years. FOR WHAT? WASTE OF A LIFE...Its much easier to level 26 AA at level 17 than it is 140AA at level 80. Simple math... On a final note: S.O.E. do what you want, but my guildmates and myself will not be paying $30 a month w/ the station pass to play EQ 2. BTW, I dont even play any of the other titles in your line of MMO, because S.O.E. has managed to screw them all up. What was once a great game Star Wars Galaxy, became the BIGGEST BUST in MMO history with Vanguard. This not an intended insult to S.O.E., just the facts and a cauction to the future of S.O.E.'s best ever MMO title, EQ 2. I know this the game that pays for the lights, the servers, the maintainence, and the paychecks to S.O.E. and it's employees. Ronen / Nickola Cannon Fodder - Nagafen server The Daddy of the PvP servers

12-06-2007, 09:21 PM	#2
Alkizar Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1	So true SOE has messed up every game they've hosted up to the present date. I've played every game SOE has come out with so far except for Matrix, and yes they have screwed up every one of them. The ban on pvp locking hasnt even gone live yet, and people have already started to cancel their accounts. So far my guild has lost one player because of it, and has the potential to lose even more. Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp. SOE should just give those who cant handle pvp the opportunity to move their toons to a blue server instead of doing away with level locking.

12-07-2007, 12:40 AM	#8
Ry General Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 12	Dibs@Nagafen wrote: Every time ive heared people complain about level locking, they complain that its impossible to compeat with toons that have high aa and awsome gear.... So im assuming these same people are going to be really happy when the hit lvl 60 and go into unlimited pvp range zones, and fight people 20 levels above them who have had time to get full fabled gear and max aa? They complain that tier 2/3 is full of twinks that only run in groups killing noobs.... There going to love raid guilds at tier 7/8, who grief the crap out of anything that moves then arnt they. The truth is no new players have called for this change, its veterans that have spent time and money gearing out there high level characters only to find people (potential targets) are happyer pvping in tier 2, because its more ballenced, easyer to group, easyer to gear out, and easyer to re roll your character if you dont like it. The change makes no sence for one huge reason, if people dont like tier 2 they can level out of it. The change will no doubt make high level players happy, its more easy kills coming there way, im getting tired of hearing the same old "new players are leaving" excuse tho... The only good thing coming from this is all the smug wankers who are sooo pleased with the new change and keep screaming whhhaaa (which is ironic as its crying that got this update) in 10-19 might not be thinging the same way if half the population leaves. I think soe will be supprised as to how many people this ticks off. I have both tier 7 toons and tier 2/3 locks and Ive already cancled my account.... Have fun all " width="15" height="15"&gt AMEN Dibs....point well taken and spot on! T2 is the PvP GAME, it is the BEST of the BEST in PvP...if it wasnt, why are there T7/8 players on it then? If you talk with these T 2/3 players(w/ lvl 70-80... each one of these players have been playing the game for years. Let alone the EQ1 title as well. They all, HANDS down, recommend PvP in t2 as the best overall PvP tier when it comes to skill, non hackers/exploiters, and most importantly the FUN factor. When I first joined this game, everyone I knew who had end game toons> After end game, they all played their t2 and t3 pvp toons over 80% of their time in the game..despite having a large x3 raid of 70's to support the raid/pvp cause.

12-07-2007, 12:55 AM	#9
Ry General Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 12	Shindah wrote: T2 twinking makes twinking available to all! T7 twinking makes it only available to the raiders! I would like to raid buy dont have time! (like the majority) It takes only a few hours to level out of T2 if you dont like it, But you are stuck in T7 or T8! Nuff said about MY opinion. My background started at game launch, have two toons on Najeena and the rest in pvp. Most are high level. currently with time constraints in RL i can jump onto T2 pvp and there is lots of it and its a blast. That gets taken away, I like a lot of people ive talked to about it, will not have the time to play the game and have fun. that said it would then be a waste of money paying for a game each month i havnt time to play . so ill be out i suppose. Wouldnt leave game out of anger, just cant justify paying and not being able to play. To wrap up PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO LEAVING, DONT OVERLOOK the fact you might have a yearly subscription ready to be renewed... Im changeing my subscription now back to monthly so if it goes live i can leave without haveing to be slugged a full year in subscription costs.. HOPE THAT saved some of you some hard earned cash " width="15" height="15"> Happy holidays!!!!!!! ANOTHER BRILLANT POST! Thats what I'm talkin about brother...Shindah, well said and kudos for the support. People with A LIFE, WHO ACTUALLY PAY THEIR OWN MONTHLY FEE, enjoy T2 or T3. Its by far the best PvP and doesnt take 500plat, not to mention raiding for exclusive gear...to make your toon competitve. So SOE wants all these kids to spend their X-mas money on buying plat online off of SOE. I guess they are tired of the people who only buy small amounts of plat instead of the 200+ plat people at t6-7-8 buy just to make a higher tier toon. Only to find out they cant do anything, becasue you have everyone in their monther WARP HACKING, SPEED HACKING(AKA MAUWI/Messia-of Illuminati..., EXPLOITING, and anything else you can think of. Oh ya, also at t2, there is no EVAC...or GAYVAC as us real PvP players call it...

12-07-2007, 01:00 AM	#10
ladyvengeance Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 177	Shindah wrote: T2 twinking makes twinking available to all! T7 twinking makes it only available to the raiders! I would like to raid buy dont have time! (like the majority) It takes only a few hours to level out of T2 if you dont like it, But you are stuck in T7 or T8! Nuff said about MY opinion. My background started at game launch, have two toons on Najeena and the rest in pvp. Most are high level. currently with time constraints in RL i can jump onto T2 pvp and there is lots of it and its a blast. That gets taken away, I like a lot of people ive talked to about it, will not have the time to play the game and have fun. that said it would then be a waste of money paying for a game each month i havnt time to play . so ill be out i suppose. Wouldnt leave game out of anger, just cant justify paying and not being able to play. To wrap up PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO LEAVING, DONT OVERLOOK the fact you might have a yearly subscription ready to be renewed... Im changeing my subscription now back to monthly so if it goes live i can leave without haveing to be slugged a full year in subscription costs.. HOPE THAT saved some of you some hard earned cash " width="15" height="15" /> Happy holidays!!!!!!! This is a very good point - I feel very sorry for those of you with yearly subscriptions who are against this idiotic change - that's a lot of money down the drain. Luckily my subscription is up at the beginning of January; I won't be renewing. It's been really fun for the past year, but it's time to say goodbye. And to be clear, I'm not quitting out of anger. It's just sad when SOE listens to all the whiners and changes one of the best parts of the game. I just can't justify spending money on a game each month without lower tier pvp. Cya.

12-07-2007, 03:24 AM	#11
Spyderbite Server: Venekor Guild: Dark Vengeance Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,262	Alkizar wrote: Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp. I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp"

12-07-2007, 05:35 PM	#12
SaraBH Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 181	Spyderbite@Venekor wrote: Alkizar wrote: Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp. I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15" /> Finally some truth on this post i was about to give up on it. __________________

12-07-2007, 05:47 PM	#13
Bozidar Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,292	Spyderbite@Venekor wrote: Alkizar wrote: Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp. I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15" /> If we can steer this conversation away from T2, and point out that this change will spoil locked pvp for ALL tiers of the game? I'm a veteran of T3 pvp more than anything else, and was looking foward to moving some more toons slowly through it. Now? It's going to be done, gone. Newbs and underpowered toons are all that's going to be LEFT for me to fight in those level ranges. Those that don't leave, will level away.. So while i sympathize with those that want the twinking problem to go away, i do think that is probably a bit too much of change to affect 69 levels of players out there enjoying the game. Atm, i don't know if i'd quit over this. It kinda sucks that i'm grinding a toon up (lvl 55 atm), and it's just so gosh darn BORING! I HATE playing like this.. but it sucks up all my time, and i barely get to pvp anymore because of this "project 80" stuff. If they change the game so that ALL my toons will become "Project 80", then i have to say my chances of being flat-out-done with the game are dramatically increased. I'm here for the pvp folks, and if i have to level 79 times to really enjoy the great fights i used to participate in through ALL tiers of the game.. well. I'll be sadly disappointed.

12-07-2007, 06:00 PM	#14
SaraBH Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 181	Ryiu wrote: Spyderbite@Venekor wrote: Alkizar wrote: Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp. I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15"> LOL, look what Spyderbye, a typical t8 n00b says above. On Nagafen, THE DADDY OF PVP SERVERS has already 60-80% of the veteran players ready to leave the game. Only to be replaced by a small number of n00bs. Now who will be ganking n00bs. Spyderbyte, the loner, all alone on a noob server fight people with no gear...typical degenerate of society. LOL, do you even know S.o.E. and it's past? Ever experienced the changes of the games they have already fvcked up? Make a toon on an ACTUALLY PvP server (such as nagafen) and fight ACTUAL TWINKS. LOL your on VENEKOR, THE HOME OF THE N00Bs - SERVER.....Make a toon of Nagafen, then do some talking, til then, Spyderbite your another mindless person stuck on t8 just talking out off your [I cannot control my vocabulary] w/o any clue or point. Anyway, you sound like you need to obtain a life and need to actually take break from the game OR GET A JOB. Or maybe its the fact you lack the knowledge of READING...typical of ignorance...just starts talking instead of understanding. 60-80% really? Wow all those people were playing on the only server? Wow i had no idea that one server dictated what was the norm everywere? Someone needs to tell SOE that if it dont happen on your server it dont happen. Even if what you say is true and there is good T2 PvP on your server. There was a problem on other servers and it needed to be addressed or they would have left it. If that affects your fun im sorry your not the only people here and if you cant deal? Well dont let the hit you were the good lord split you on the way out. If SOE is so bad and you already know how bad they are at "Breaking" games why were you paying them? Me personnally i like what SOE has done allong with quite a few others. You some how think you are more important? Everyone has a right to have fun and if SOE really thinks this is the way for MORE people to have more fun then thats what there going to do. If you really think you can do it so much better make your own game and maybe ill play that when SOE buys it. Till then you can play or not your choice. You want to complain /feedback till your blue in the face but attacking others here? Thats just silly __________________

12-07-2007, 06:03 PM	#15
Dh Server: Nagafen Guild: Champions of Sebilis Rank: Member General Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 609	Its sad to see soo many closed minded level lockers that think PVP combat XP = bad. You will slowly level with the same people you have been locked with. You will go to new locations and get your new class defining abilities to use in combat. Who says you have to rush to end game? I never once locked combat XP on any of my toons and I never had a problem killing people in pvp. Max AA points do make your character more powerful but skill greatly outweighs AA points. The higher level you are, the more hitpoints you have to compensate for lack of the best gear giving people a better chance at winning a fight. I'm sure sony knew people would cry about this change but they know for a fact t2 level lockers are making the populations on PVP servers disapear by running out the new players. BTW I don't raid for gear at end game since there are extremely nice PVP fabled sets. Saying you have to spend months raiding to compete is just ignorant.

12-07-2007, 06:09 PM	#16
Bloodfa Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,873	Ryiu wrote: Spyderbite@Venekor wrote: Alkizar wrote: Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp. I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15"> LOL, look what Spyderbye, a typical t8 n00b says above. On Nagafen, THE DADDY OF PVP SERVERS has already 60-80% of the veteran players ready to leave the game. Only to be replaced by a small number of n00bs. Now who will be ganking n00bs. Spyderbyte, the loner, all alone on a noob server fight people with no gear...typical degenerate of society. LOL, do you even know S.o.E. and it's past? Ever experienced the changes of the games they have already fvcked up? Make a toon on an ACTUALLY PvP server (such as nagafen) and fight ACTUAL TWINKS. LOL your on VENEKOR, THE HOME OF THE N00Bs - SERVER.....Make a toon of Nagafen, then do some talking, til then, Spyderbite your another mindless person stuck on t8 just talking out off your [I cannot control my vocabulary] w/o any clue or point. Anyway, you sound like you need to obtain a life and need to actually take break from the game OR GET A JOB. Or maybe its the fact you lack the knowledge of READING...typical of ignorance...just starts typing instead of understanding. 60 to 80% of the veterans ready to quit? If you're going to pull number out of the sky, try to make them believable. Grats on coming up with such an innovative dig, too. Typical of ignorance ... the loss of your account will surely bankrupt Sony. Whatever will they do? I know ... they'll just offset it with a new account from somebody who comes back to the game. The sky is not falling. It's not even getting dark out yet. Unless you're going to level up from 100 kills, I wouldn't call this a game-breaking change. Boz, I hope you stick it out. I've been hoping to eventually run into you up here. Seriously, the T8 PvP is where skill shines over gear. The dead 80's wearing mostly fabled getting beat by treasured toons with Adept I's must be scratching their heads in wonderment, as it's the most balanced tier yet since day 1, provided you know how to play your toon and have a decent group. The 50's can be a bore, but the 60's are usually challenging fights. __________________

12-07-2007, 06:10 PM	#17
ckl General Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 233	Dhye@Nagafen wrote: Its sad to see soo many closed minded level lockers that think PVP combat XP = bad. You will slowly level with the same people you have been locked with. You will go to new locations and get your new class defining abilities to use in combat. Who says you have to rush to end game? I never once locked combat XP on any of my toons and I never had a problem killing people in pvp. Max AA points do make your character more powerful but skill greatly outweighs AA points. The higher level you are, the more hitpoints you have to compensate for lack of the best gear giving people a better chance at winning a fight. I'm sure sony knew people would cry about this change but they know for a fact t2 level lockers are making the populations on PVP servers disapear by running out the new players. BTW I don't raid for gear at end game since there are extremely nice PVP fabled sets. Saying you have to spend months raiding to compete is just ignorant. Oh but it's replaced with the WoW-esque honor grind system! I posted this possible fix in another thread... might as well repost it here, too: "Why couldn't they have put in a tracker that would carnage flag you if you killed someone repeatedly, or had a majority of your kills be against blues and greens? That way there'd be consquences for griefing and newbie killing. Or maybe make the person a temporary exile in effect, allowing both sides to attack them for a time, and if they die during this period the go straight to their home city instead of a revive zone? That way if there's a level 14 of my own side camping the newbie zone, I can send his [I cannot control my vocabulary] back to Qeynos?"

12-07-2007, 06:14 PM	#18
Bozidar Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,292	Dhye@Nagafen wrote: I'm sure sony knew people would cry about this change but they know for a fact t2 level lockers are making the populations on PVP servers disapear by running out the new players. if T2 were the problem they coudl have fixed t2 and left the rest alone.

12-07-2007, 06:20 PM	#19
Dibs Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 10	Spyderbite@Venekor wrote: Alkizar wrote: Yes these players do have T7 plug toons, but also like to play T2 pvp. I'd like an example of this. I have yet to ever witness a "T2 pvp" fight. All I see are groups of twinks camping newbie zones. And, then running at the site of the opposite faction if they are evenly matched.As far as I'm concerned, and I'll state I hate to see anyone leave the game, but I consider it phasing out the trash. These players can cancel their accounts.. there are many new players and/or players just new to PvP who will stick around to compensate for those canceled subscriptions.Edit: One more thing to add before somebody even attempts to defend this mythical "T2 pvp" that supposedly is so much fun. I have three twinks.. fully loaded with MC and Adept 3 spells. I run on them daily and can barely get the attention of anyone from the opposite faction within PvP range. And, when I attack.. they run like little girls for the zone out. Meanwhile, there are 4 or 5 newbs sitting half armored in immunity asking me to help them finish their T2 quest that they've spent half the night on.Go on and tell me all about this fantasy island called "T2 pvp" " width="15" height="15" /> This "fantasy island" is called nagafen m8... Ive noticed lots of people saying tier 2 is not all its cracked up to be, all from venakor. I could load up a toon right now in tier 2, untitled or Drednaught and im guarenteed a good (no ganking hacking or raid gear needed) solo or group fight within 2 mins. We have guild members from venakor who said the same about tier 2/3 over there so perhaps this update wont consern you. One thing that should consern you is the fact that EQ2 has no advertising, has already merged servers and its almost impossible to buy a copy of EQ2 in shops, so your phazing out the trash idea where all the people leaving will be replaced by the obvious masses coming to the game (ive not met 3 genuine new players since RoK) might not be a succesfull as you think. Leaving level locking in place might make a few LOUD whining people keep on whining, but removing it ends the game for a lot of us.

12-07-2007, 06:36 PM	#20
Echgar Forum Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,004	There is already a thread discussing this issue. Rather than start another thread to talk about the same issue, please participate in this thread if you wish to discuss this subject.I understand this change is something players are very passionate about, both pro and con. Let's keep the discussion civil though please. __________________ \|\| Forum Rules \|\| TRACKERS: Community \|\| Tech \|\| Dev \|\|