Another take on how aggro changes affect the game

Weizen Heimer · 07-25-2007, 06:40 PM

For people who play on PVE servers, once they reach lvl/aa cap, what other reason is there to play the game (aside from people who just enjoy questing and that sort of thing)? To improve your character by getting better gear. For DPS classes what is the main benefit of improving your gear? Doing more DPS. Even now it can be hard for some people to go all out on their DPS. After this change it will be impossible for many people to go all out. If I am a DPS class and I can't even go all out in my current gear, what is the reason for me to raid for better gear when I can not exploit the benefit I get from it?

Sassinak · 07-25-2007, 06:43 PM

The new bruiser raid buff will give the main tank(s) an additional 32% aggro advantage over all of you DPS people... surely that will more than make up for the other aggro changes?

Umigo · 07-25-2007, 07:00 PM

This assumes you have a bruiser available, out of 226 in our quild we have 4 bruisers. Do scouts have to 2 box with a brusier to be useful?

Weizen Heimer · 07-26-2007, 01:51 PM

My guild is a Qeynos guild on a PVP server, so we are a bit lacking in Bruisers ourselves

Geothe · 07-26-2007, 01:57 PM

"The new bruiser raid buff will give the main tank(s) an additional 32% aggro advantage over all of you DPS people... surely that will more than make up for the other aggro changes?"

That is very far from the truth.

The new Bruiser buff increases Taunts by 16% and deagros by 16%. The VAST majority of hate generation is through straight up DPS. Which isn't affected at all by the bruiser buff. It will only help the tank when he casts a taunt, increasing the taunt amount by 16% (which is on average proably a couple of hundred hate). Now 1 damage = 1 hate. So the bruiser "buff" probably gives less additional hate for the MT as an autoattack by the MT would. And only a few times a minute because taunts are on timers.

07-25-2007, 06:40 PM	#1
Weizen Heimer Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 83	For people who play on PVE servers, once they reach lvl/aa cap, what other reason is there to play the game (aside from people who just enjoy questing and that sort of thing)? To improve your character by getting better gear. For DPS classes what is the main benefit of improving your gear? Doing more DPS. Even now it can be hard for some people to go all out on their DPS. After this change it will be impossible for many people to go all out. If I am a DPS class and I can't even go all out in my current gear, what is the reason for me to raid for better gear when I can not exploit the benefit I get from it? __________________ Whargoul DelVacio 61 Warlock of Befallen Weizen Heimer 61 Troubador of Befallen Magmorden 45 Swashbuckler of Befallen Phyrballz 70 Monk of Nagafen

07-25-2007, 07:00 PM	#3
Umigo Server: Blackburrow Guild: Guardians of the Light Rank: Alt-Members Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Fontana California Posts: 101	This assumes you have a bruiser available, out of 226 in our quild we have 4 bruisers. Do scouts have to 2 box with a brusier to be useful? __________________

07-26-2007, 01:51 PM	#4
Weizen Heimer Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 83	My guild is a Qeynos guild on a PVP server, so we are a bit lacking in Bruisers ourselves __________________ Whargoul DelVacio 61 Warlock of Befallen Weizen Heimer 61 Troubador of Befallen Magmorden 45 Swashbuckler of Befallen Phyrballz 70 Monk of Nagafen

07-26-2007, 01:57 PM	#5
Geothe Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,098	"The new bruiser raid buff will give the main tank(s) an additional 32% aggro advantage over all of you DPS people... surely that will more than make up for the other aggro changes?" That is very far from the truth. The new Bruiser buff increases Taunts by 16% and deagros by 16%. The VAST majority of hate generation is through straight up DPS. Which isn't affected at all by the bruiser buff. It will only help the tank when he casts a taunt, increasing the taunt amount by 16% (which is on average proably a couple of hundred hate). Now 1 damage = 1 hate. So the bruiser "buff" probably gives less additional hate for the MT as an autoattack by the MT would. And only a few times a minute because taunts are on timers. __________________ Smed: We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. Smed: 5) This [LoN] is not some slippery slope towards selling items directly in EQ & EQ II. Lie #3: Station Cash. Enough Said.

07-25-2007, 06:43 PM	#2
Sassinak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 557	The new bruiser raid buff will give the main tank(s) an additional 32% aggro advantage over all of you DPS people... surely that will more than make up for the other aggro changes?