Update 11b, roots bugged

goboy · 06-23-2005, 03:53 PM

I logged on this morning and decided to whack a couple of mobs. I was unpleasantly surprized when I cast ring of cold and it expired so fast that I was only able to cast immolation. I quickly cast frozen manacles and was even more unpleasantly surprized when it expired after .5 seconds. My next cast was tether - and again I was getting beat on after casting only 1 spell.

Here is the durations of the three spells:

Frozen Manacles .5 seconds

Tether 12 seconds

Ring of Cold 12 seconds

I cannot find any information on what the druation was prior to this morning.

Andre · 06-23-2005, 04:11 PM

Warlocks and wizards Unite! SMILEY

As it stand we should group wiht eachother to make our roots worked.

Ravenmi · 06-23-2005, 06:48 PM

goboy wrote:

I logged on this morning and decided to whack a couple of mobs. I was unpleasantly surprized when I cast ring of cold and it expired so fast that I was only able to cast immolation. I quickly cast frozen manacles and was even more unpleasantly surprized when it expired after .5 seconds. My next cast was tether - and again I was getting beat on after casting only 1 spell.

Here is the durations of the three spells:

Frozen Manacles .5 seconds

Tether 12 seconds

Ring of Cold 12 seconds

I cannot find any information on what the druation was prior to this morning.

Okay, one thing, the display on FM is wrong, the .5 is the time between the dmg effect and the root taking hold. At least thats my understanding.

But moving past that, 12 seconds for a root that takes 4 seconds to cast, has a 45 second recast timer and takes 140 power to cast and has a chance of drawing outside encounter agro is absolutely insane.

If this is a nerf and not a bug then this is one of the dumbest things I've seen them do lately. A 12 second root is nearly worthless, a 12 second root that takes 4 seconds to cast is almost completely worthless. Add in the 45 second recast timer and this spell is nothing but a complete waste of power and time.

I can't imagine why any Warlock or Wizard would use it in that state.

If you want to reduce the duration then you need to reduce the cast timer significantly.. 2 seconds Maybe.. and drop the recast timer down a large chunk and probably give them a small power cost reduction.

If you intend it to be a last ditch try and get away type spell then make it instant cast, no power and get it over with.

I think its just silly that level 40-50 Warlocks and Wizards are running around using thier level 19 root spell still, and thats going to be thier only root spell after this change.

If this is a bug.. fix it.. if this is a nerf.. please give these guys a break and don't do something stupid.

- Ravenmist, Warden of the Unrest Server

TooFarGo · 06-23-2005, 07:10 PM

*crosses fingers and wishes* I'm hoping they up our damage output such that a 12s root is plenty =)

goboy · 06-23-2005, 07:49 PM

Ravenmist wrote:

Okay, one thing, the display on FM is wrong, the .5 is the time between the dmg effect and the root taking hold. At least thats my understanding.

- Ravenmist, Warden of the Unrest Server

The display is not wrong. I cast frozen manacles this morning (after the 11b update) and watched the root effect (the dark to light effect transition) wear off in less time then I could cast a followup spell. I did not time it since I could not afford the aggro from the spell.

Ravenmi · 06-23-2005, 09:17 PM

goboy wrote:

Ravenmist wrote:

Okay, one thing, the display on FM is wrong, the .5 is the time between the dmg effect and the root taking hold. At least thats my understanding.

- Ravenmist, Warden of the Unrest Server

The display is not wrong. I cast frozen manacles this morning (after the 11b update) and watched the root effect (the dark to light effect transition) wear off in less time then I could cast a followup spell. I did not time it since I could not afford the aggro from the spell.

Sorry to break this to you but Frozern Manacles displays as 0.5 seconds on live servers too and it has for a long time. It has nothing to do with this patch or update.

Doesn't mean they didn't break the spell worse then it already is live as well.

Styx69 · 06-24-2005, 12:11 AM

BG speaks, heres the link.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=8726#M8726

Message Edited by Styx69 on 06-23-2005 04:15 PM

06-23-2005, 03:53 PM	#1
goboy Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 511	I logged on this morning and decided to whack a couple of mobs. I was unpleasantly surprized when I cast ring of cold and it expired so fast that I was only able to cast immolation. I quickly cast frozen manacles and was even more unpleasantly surprized when it expired after .5 seconds. My next cast was tether - and again I was getting beat on after casting only 1 spell. Here is the durations of the three spells: Frozen Manacles .5 seconds Tether 12 seconds Ring of Cold 12 seconds I cannot find any information on what the druation was prior to this morning. __________________ Jaly, Test Gnome

06-23-2005, 04:11 PM	#2
Andre Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 159	Warlocks and wizards Unite! As it stand we should group wiht eachother to make our roots worked.

06-23-2005, 06:48 PM	#3
Ravenmi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 402	goboy wrote: I logged on this morning and decided to whack a couple of mobs. I was unpleasantly surprized when I cast ring of cold and it expired so fast that I was only able to cast immolation. I quickly cast frozen manacles and was even more unpleasantly surprized when it expired after .5 seconds. My next cast was tether - and again I was getting beat on after casting only 1 spell. Here is the durations of the three spells: Frozen Manacles .5 seconds Tether 12 seconds Ring of Cold 12 seconds I cannot find any information on what the druation was prior to this morning. Okay, one thing, the display on FM is wrong, the .5 is the time between the dmg effect and the root taking hold. At least thats my understanding. But moving past that, 12 seconds for a root that takes 4 seconds to cast, has a 45 second recast timer and takes 140 power to cast and has a chance of drawing outside encounter agro is absolutely insane. If this is a nerf and not a bug then this is one of the dumbest things I've seen them do lately. A 12 second root is nearly worthless, a 12 second root that takes 4 seconds to cast is almost completely worthless. Add in the 45 second recast timer and this spell is nothing but a complete waste of power and time. I can't imagine why any Warlock or Wizard would use it in that state. If you want to reduce the duration then you need to reduce the cast timer significantly.. 2 seconds Maybe.. and drop the recast timer down a large chunk and probably give them a small power cost reduction. If you intend it to be a last ditch try and get away type spell then make it instant cast, no power and get it over with. I think its just silly that level 40-50 Warlocks and Wizards are running around using thier level 19 root spell still, and thats going to be thier only root spell after this change. If this is a bug.. fix it.. if this is a nerf.. please give these guys a break and don't do something stupid. - Ravenmist, Warden of the Unrest Server

06-23-2005, 07:49 PM	#5
goboy Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 511	Ravenmist wrote: Okay, one thing, the display on FM is wrong, the .5 is the time between the dmg effect and the root taking hold. At least thats my understanding. - Ravenmist, Warden of the Unrest Server The display is not wrong. I cast frozen manacles this morning (after the 11b update) and watched the root effect (the dark to light effect transition) wear off in less time then I could cast a followup spell. I did not time it since I could not afford the aggro from the spell. __________________ Jaly, Test Gnome

06-23-2005, 09:17 PM	#6
Ravenmi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 402	goboy wrote: Ravenmist wrote: Okay, one thing, the display on FM is wrong, the .5 is the time between the dmg effect and the root taking hold. At least thats my understanding. - Ravenmist, Warden of the Unrest Server The display is not wrong. I cast frozen manacles this morning (after the 11b update) and watched the root effect (the dark to light effect transition) wear off in less time then I could cast a followup spell. I did not time it since I could not afford the aggro from the spell. Sorry to break this to you but Frozern Manacles displays as 0.5 seconds on live servers too and it has for a long time. It has nothing to do with this patch or update. Doesn't mean they didn't break the spell worse then it already is live as well.

06-23-2005, 07:10 PM	#4
TooFarGo General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 167	crosses fingers and wishes I'm hoping they up our damage output such that a 12s root is plenty =)

06-24-2005, 12:11 AM	#7
Styx69 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4	BG speaks, heres the link. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=8726#M8726 Message Edited by Styx69 on 06-23-2005 04:15 PM