Enough is enough!

Noctismort · 03-07-2005, 10:49 PM

put the mentorings system in now!!! I want to play with my friends & family who level allot slower then I do. I dont give a goblins [Removed for Content] if I get good exp as long as I can help my friends and my guild. Enough of this "cant group because your too low crap" End it now so I can start gaming again!! Release this great development!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Message Edited by Noctismortis on 03-07-2005 09:50 AM

Bur · 03-07-2005, 10:51 PM

Uh yeah, they don't release enough bugridden patches already without you riding them? Shut up and wait.

Noctismort · 03-07-2005, 10:54 PM

every patch has bugs, you one staring fool.

CherobylJ · 03-07-2005, 11:01 PM

Noctismortis wrote:

every patch has bugs, you one staring fool.

But they shouldnt, hence the expanded testing window and methods being utilized for this release.

Don't get me wrong man I can't wait for this to be in the game, but you have to agree a little patience to get a good quality product > than new functionality with massive loopholes in it.

Day · 03-07-2005, 11:08 PM

On the one had we get kids screaming about "fix this bug now!" and on the other you have others screaming "install this feature buggy or not"!

Ya cant win SOE

Blackguard · 03-07-2005, 11:32 PM

While we are also quite excited about Mentoring, we want to make sure the system is stable and enjoyable before it goes to Live servers.

Ricassari · 03-07-2005, 11:59 PM

I vote for "take your time and do it properly". Changing/fixing features after changes have gone live is much more difficult and gets more people upset than those few who don't have the patience to wait a few days.

TheRealDude · 03-08-2005, 12:04 AM

Dayln wrote:

On the one had we get kids screaming about "fix this bug now!" and on the other you have others screaming "install this feature buggy or not"!

Ya cant win SOE

heh yea ... ive noticed a lot of peope on both sides ... "Fix it NOW!11!!! Not Tomorrow!" and "Why did you patch that without testing it all the way!¿!?¿!" .... /sigh .... i feel for ya SoE since im a programmer and have the same kinda complaints ... oh well what can ya do.

Decimat · 03-08-2005, 12:24 AM

I am just interested in how the scalability is going to work for gear. Like my robe adds power regen now, will it still add the same regen if I mentor a lvl 10, or will it be cut down by a certain % to compensate?

Dewfi · 03-08-2005, 12:54 AM

Take your time, get it right is all I have to say! SMILEY

Thanks SOE!

gandalfgray · 03-08-2005, 01:31 AM

I am just interested in how the scalability is going to work for gear. Like my robe adds power regen now, will it still add the same regen if I mentor a lvl 10, or will it be cut down by a certain % to compensate?

I am curious about this as well, however this seems to have something to do with the way the tiered system works, it seems that in order to make a new piece of armor they have some sort of core algorithm that takes a number of parameters that allows the new item to be generated. One of those parameters is the level of the item, I am sure I am over simplifying this, but it seems like they will use that same procedure to determine the new stats of the item only changing the level of the item.

So my guess would be that it depends, most likely you will get some regen, same regen or no regen at all depending on what level the item is and what level you are mentoring too.

I am quite curious what my mentored gear will look like should be interesting.

coolhandjo · 03-08-2005, 01:55 AM

While we're mentoring well we be able to get lower level writs? Or are we stuck on the high level ones?Being able to get the lower level writs would be awesome for smaller guilds to include everyone on a guild night or something of the sorts.

MattyJ · 03-08-2005, 04:07 AM

I REALLY REALLY hope to coolhandjosh.I'm currently the only 35+ player in my guild and as such don't get that much of an opportunity to group with guild members. I hope that i'll be able to do the lower level writs again if i'm mentoring a lower level guildee SMILEY

drews · 03-08-2005, 04:15 AM

I'm really excited about the patch but I can wait till its fully tested. Can you imagine how annoying it would be to read in the patch notes that mentoring is in, then to go try it out and discover it doesn't work for you. If for this reason alone more testing would be good.On the other side would it be possible to get a tentative realese date (suitably padded so we can be plesantly surprised with an early release)?Lorical

Evadne · 03-08-2005, 05:04 AM

coolhandjosh wrote:While we're mentoring well we be able to get lower level writs? Or are we stuck on the high level ones?Being able to get the lower level writs would be awesome for smaller guilds to include everyone on a guild night or something of the sorts.

No. City writs are given to you based on your actual level. But, the person you are mentoring will get writs based on her level and you can assist her in completing her writs if you like. Also, we had some guild level access writs that were low level in our books, but we mentored lower level players and went in and had a great time.~Eva

Melamp · 03-08-2005, 05:11 AM

Blackguard wrote:While we are also quite excited about Mentoring, we want to make sure the system is stable and enjoyable before it goes to Live servers.

Just like the Tradeskill patch a couple wks ago huh?

Merend · 03-08-2005, 05:25 AM

While I cant wait for this to be in either I also want them to get it right. I'd hate for them to rush it into a patch and then discover some horific imbalence that requires them to pull it and roll back the servers or cause a long downtime. this would not only cause alot of people to be upset but would probably delay the release of this feature even longer. give it time it will come.

Shagittari · 03-08-2005, 06:53 AM

I vote for trashing the whole mentoring system. What a waste of resources.

Ryk · 03-08-2005, 07:28 AM

Shagittarius wrote:

I vote for trashing the whole mentoring system. What a waste of resources.

I vote for people explaining themselves

Fellgaze · 03-08-2005, 03:19 PM

Rykir wrote:

Shagittarius wrote:

I vote for trashing the whole mentoring system. What a waste of resources.

I vote for people explaining themselves

Why do that when he can just walk into a room, fart, and then watch everybody wrinkle their noses?

TrrrrooooooLLLLLLLLL!!!

Spaceweed · 03-08-2005, 03:51 PM

Blackguard wrote:
While we are also quite excited about Mentoring, we want to make sure the system is stable and enjoyable before it goes to Live servers.

Amen.

It amazes me how people complain to high heaven when stuff is released bugged, yet complain when they have to wait :smileysurprised:

Sometimes...

stoutbrewdrink · 03-08-2005, 07:55 PM

ya ill believe a non buggy patch when i see one.... lol... sorry its just from past experience...

but seriously if soe is making one hell of an effort for non buggy patches *two thumbs up*

Shagittari · 03-08-2005, 09:22 PM

The last thing I want to do is play the same content over and over and ding 50 never seeing alot of the other content beacuse I was metoring a friend, or even worse required to mentor a guildmate. I can see this being ok if your already 50 and aren't gaining experience anymore, but for anyone under 50 I see it as a waste of time. If I really want to play with low level friends I'll start an Alt.

P.S. FFFFFFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrttt tttttt!

Message Edited by Shagittarius on 03-08-2005 08:22 AM

Samnas · 03-08-2005, 09:46 PM

Shagittarius wrote:

The last thing I want to do is play the same content over and over and ding 50 never seeing alot of the other content beacuse I was metoring a friend, or even worse required to mentor a guildmate. I can see this being ok if your already 50 and aren't gaining experience anymore, but for anyone under 50 I see it as a waste of time. If I really want to play with low level friends I'll start an Alt.

P.S. FFFFFFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrttt tttttt!

Message Edited by Shagittarius on 03-08-2005 08:22 AM

Well you will never be "required" to mentor anyone (unless it is your guild saying this and if so you have the choice to leave guild). Just because this is not a benefit to you and how you play the game please realize some of us play differently and it is pretty obvious there are a whole lot of us looking forward to this.

For me this is far from a waste of time. This allows me to again group with a lvl 25 friend of mine. Your "make an alt" just does not work for that type of thing. If I get less experience (or not experience) I am ok with that as long as I am having fun grouping with people I enjoy.

As far as doing the same content over and over again..... there is a whole lot of content I have never seen that is well under my current level. I could hunt for a long time as a mentor and never repeat content I did originally.

Bhagpuss · 03-08-2005, 10:01 PM

Shagittarius wrote:

The last thing I want to do is play the same content over and over and ding 50 never seeing alot of the other content beacuse I was metoring a friend, or even worse required to mentor a guildmate. I can see this being ok if your already 50 and aren't gaining experience anymore, but for anyone under 50 I see it as a waste of time. If I really want to play with low level friends I'll start an Alt.

P.S. FFFFFFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrttt tttttt!

Message Edited by Shagittarius on 03-08-2005 08:22 AM

I like doing the same content over and over again. Some EQ1 content I have probably done literally hundreds of times now and in EQ2 there are many quests I have done more than half a dozen times with different characters already.

If you buy a msuic CD do you just listen to it the one time? Do you hate seeing an episode of The Simpsons you saw already a few months back? Did you just play one set of tennis back in 1986 and then go "well that's some sport content I never want to do again"?

I often enjoy EQ1 or 2 content more the second or third time round than i did the first time, and mentoring is going to make it even more fun going round again.

03-07-2005, 11:01 PM	#4
CherobylJ Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 395	Noctismortis wrote: every patch has bugs, you one staring fool. But they shouldnt, hence the expanded testing window and methods being utilized for this release. Don't get me wrong man I can't wait for this to be in the game, but you have to agree a little patience to get a good quality product > than new functionality with massive loopholes in it. __________________ ---------------------- Flair Fifteenpiece - 54 Berserker of Guk, - Co-GL Infernal Requiem formerly Flair Shieldrender 70 Overlord of Fennin Ro "And as the Overlord raised his fist to the sky, the crowds cheered below. The soldiers began their familiar chant as the citizens joined in: "Strength in unity; unity in Lucan!"

03-07-2005, 11:32 PM	#6
Blackguard Developer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 686	While we are also quite excited about Mentoring, we want to make sure the system is stable and enjoyable before it goes to Live servers. __________________ Ryan "Blackguard" Shwayder Community Relations Manager Custodian of the Nerfbat

03-08-2005, 12:04 AM	#8
TheRealDude Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 180	Dayln wrote: On the one had we get kids screaming about "fix this bug now!" and on the other you have others screaming "install this feature buggy or not"! Ya cant win SOE heh yea ... ive noticed a lot of peope on both sides ... "Fix it NOW!11!!! Not Tomorrow!" and "Why did you patch that without testing it all the way!¿!?¿!" .... /sigh .... i feel for ya SoE since im a programmer and have the same kinda complaints ... oh well what can ya do.

03-08-2005, 12:24 AM	#9
Decimat General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 184	I am just interested in how the scalability is going to work for gear. Like my robe adds power regen now, will it still add the same regen if I mentor a lvl 10, or will it be cut down by a certain % to compensate? __________________

03-08-2005, 12:54 AM	#10
Dewfi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 16	Take your time, get it right is all I have to say! Thanks SOE! __________________ __________________________ Dewfire -Gnome Paladin - Everfrost Adventurers Local 212 Co-Leader "And fire shall descend from the heavens like dew in the morn to cleanse the lands of evil!" -Dewfire

03-07-2005, 10:49 PM	#1
Noctismort General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 17	put the mentorings system in now!!! I want to play with my friends & family who level allot slower then I do. I dont give a goblins [Removed for Content] if I get good exp as long as I can help my friends and my guild. Enough of this "cant group because your too low crap" End it now so I can start gaming again!! Release this great development!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message Edited by Noctismortis on 03-07-2005 09:50 AM

03-07-2005, 10:51 PM	#2
Bur Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 106	Uh yeah, they don't release enough bugridden patches already without you riding them? Shut up and wait.

03-07-2005, 10:54 PM	#3
Noctismort General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 17	every patch has bugs, you one staring fool.

03-07-2005, 11:08 PM	#5
Day Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	On the one had we get kids screaming about "fix this bug now!" and on the other you have others screaming "install this feature buggy or not"! Ya cant win SOE

03-07-2005, 11:59 PM	#7
Ricassari Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 68	I vote for "take your time and do it properly". Changing/fixing features after changes have gone live is much more difficult and gets more people upset than those few who don't have the patience to wait a few days.

03-08-2005, 01:31 AM	#11
gandalfgray Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9	I am just interested in how the scalability is going to work for gear. Like my robe adds power regen now, will it still add the same regen if I mentor a lvl 10, or will it be cut down by a certain % to compensate? I am curious about this as well, however this seems to have something to do with the way the tiered system works, it seems that in order to make a new piece of armor they have some sort of core algorithm that takes a number of parameters that allows the new item to be generated. One of those parameters is the level of the item, I am sure I am over simplifying this, but it seems like they will use that same procedure to determine the new stats of the item only changing the level of the item. So my guess would be that it depends, most likely you will get some regen, same regen or no regen at all depending on what level the item is and what level you are mentoring too. I am quite curious what my mentored gear will look like should be interesting.

03-08-2005, 01:55 AM	#12
coolhandjo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	While we're mentoring well we be able to get lower level writs? Or are we stuck on the high level ones?Being able to get the lower level writs would be awesome for smaller guilds to include everyone on a guild night or something of the sorts.

03-08-2005, 04:07 AM	#13
MattyJ Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	I REALLY REALLY hope to coolhandjosh.I'm currently the only 35+ player in my guild and as such don't get that much of an opportunity to group with guild members. I hope that i'll be able to do the lower level writs again if i'm mentoring a lower level guildee __________________

03-08-2005, 04:15 AM	#14
drews Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 64	I'm really excited about the patch but I can wait till its fully tested. Can you imagine how annoying it would be to read in the patch notes that mentoring is in, then to go try it out and discover it doesn't work for you. If for this reason alone more testing would be good.On the other side would it be possible to get a tentative realese date (suitably padded so we can be plesantly surprised with an early release)?Lorical

03-08-2005, 05:04 AM	#15
Evadne Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 367	coolhandjosh wrote:While we're mentoring well we be able to get lower level writs? Or are we stuck on the high level ones?Being able to get the lower level writs would be awesome for smaller guilds to include everyone on a guild night or something of the sorts. No. City writs are given to you based on your actual level. But, the person you are mentoring will get writs based on her level and you can assist her in completing her writs if you like. Also, we had some guild level access writs that were low level in our books, but we mentored lower level players and went in and had a great time.~Eva __________________ ~Eva Xeven The Dancing Queen Test Server

03-08-2005, 05:11 AM	#16
Melamp Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 170	Blackguard wrote:While we are also quite excited about Mentoring, we want to make sure the system is stable and enjoyable before it goes to Live servers. Just like the Tradeskill patch a couple wks ago huh?

03-08-2005, 05:25 AM	#17
Merend Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	While I cant wait for this to be in either I also want them to get it right. I'd hate for them to rush it into a patch and then discover some horific imbalence that requires them to pull it and roll back the servers or cause a long downtime. this would not only cause alot of people to be upset but would probably delay the release of this feature even longer. give it time it will come.

03-08-2005, 06:53 AM	#18
Shagittari Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 52	I vote for trashing the whole mentoring system. What a waste of resources.

03-08-2005, 07:28 AM	#19
Ryk Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 24	Shagittarius wrote: I vote for trashing the whole mentoring system. What a waste of resources. I vote for people explaining themselves

03-08-2005, 03:19 PM	#20
Fellgaze Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88	Rykir wrote: Shagittarius wrote: I vote for trashing the whole mentoring system. What a waste of resources. I vote for people explaining themselves Why do that when he can just walk into a room, fart, and then watch everybody wrinkle their noses? TrrrrooooooLLLLLLLLL!!! __________________ "The race is on between software engineers who are trying to build bigger and better idiot-proof software, and the Universe which is trying to build bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." -Richard Cook

03-08-2005, 03:51 PM	#21
Spaceweed Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: BDTBL Posts: 197	Blackguard wrote: While we are also quite excited about Mentoring, we want to make sure the system is stable and enjoyable before it goes to Live servers. Amen. It amazes me how people complain to high heaven when stuff is released bugged, yet complain when they have to wait :smileysurprised: Sometimes... __________________ ____________________________________________ 'You can please some of the people all of the time, and you can please all of the people some of the time, but, you can't please all of the people all of the time.'

03-08-2005, 07:55 PM	#22
stoutbrewdrink Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 85	ya ill believe a non buggy patch when i see one.... lol... sorry its just from past experience... but seriously if soe is making one hell of an effort for non buggy patches two thumbs up

03-08-2005, 09:22 PM	#23
Shagittari Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 52	The last thing I want to do is play the same content over and over and ding 50 never seeing alot of the other content beacuse I was metoring a friend, or even worse required to mentor a guildmate. I can see this being ok if your already 50 and aren't gaining experience anymore, but for anyone under 50 I see it as a waste of time. If I really want to play with low level friends I'll start an Alt. P.S. FFFFFFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrttt tttttt! Message Edited by Shagittarius on 03-08-2005 08:22 AM

03-08-2005, 09:46 PM	#24
Samnas Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 49	Shagittarius wrote: The last thing I want to do is play the same content over and over and ding 50 never seeing alot of the other content beacuse I was metoring a friend, or even worse required to mentor a guildmate. I can see this being ok if your already 50 and aren't gaining experience anymore, but for anyone under 50 I see it as a waste of time. If I really want to play with low level friends I'll start an Alt. P.S. FFFFFFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrttt tttttt! Message Edited by Shagittarius on 03-08-2005 08:22 AM Well you will never be "required" to mentor anyone (unless it is your guild saying this and if so you have the choice to leave guild). Just because this is not a benefit to you and how you play the game please realize some of us play differently and it is pretty obvious there are a whole lot of us looking forward to this. For me this is far from a waste of time. This allows me to again group with a lvl 25 friend of mine. Your "make an alt" just does not work for that type of thing. If I get less experience (or not experience) I am ok with that as long as I am having fun grouping with people I enjoy. As far as doing the same content over and over again..... there is a whole lot of content I have never seen that is well under my current level. I could hunt for a long time as a mentor and never repeat content I did originally.

03-08-2005, 10:01 PM	#25
Bhagpuss Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 347	Shagittarius wrote: The last thing I want to do is play the same content over and over and ding 50 never seeing alot of the other content beacuse I was metoring a friend, or even worse required to mentor a guildmate. I can see this being ok if your already 50 and aren't gaining experience anymore, but for anyone under 50 I see it as a waste of time. If I really want to play with low level friends I'll start an Alt. P.S. FFFFFFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrttt tttttt! Message Edited by Shagittarius on 03-08-2005 08:22 AM I like doing the same content over and over again. Some EQ1 content I have probably done literally hundreds of times now and in EQ2 there are many quests I have done more than half a dozen times with different characters already. If you buy a msuic CD do you just listen to it the one time? Do you hate seeing an episode of The Simpsons you saw already a few months back? Did you just play one set of tennis back in 1986 and then go "well that's some sport content I never want to do again"? I often enjoy EQ1 or 2 content more the second or third time round than i did the first time, and mentoring is going to make it even more fun going round again.