My idea for Concealment: A pipe dream.

Kabahl · 11-21-2005, 10:08 PM

I wrote this in another thread, but I wanted to give this idea its own thread, maybe give it notice to the Devs. and the Assassin community at large . . .

Original thread is here:

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=40&message.id=9634

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dparker713 wrote:

Concealment - should place into stealth upon casting. Waste too much of the 5 seconds waiting to get into stealth due to lag and potential autoattack misses.

You REALLY want to make this a viable skill? Have it put us into stealth as soon as we activate the skill. . . and have it KEEP us there for the 5 seconds, through auto attack, through CAs, through damage taken . . . through everything. Don't let it stop Auto attack (since we can auto attack through it) and just keep us in stealth . . . . 5 seconds of perma stealth isn't gonna over power us and it'll go a long way in helping us with DPS since it won't constantly stop us from auto attacking AND we could use it soloing since it'll keep us in stealth even though we're taking damage AND we could use it in raids when a mob AoEs. We really need every little bit we can to do comparable DPS AND be able to solo . . .

Heh, and as long as I"m wishing . . . Make the duration of Concealement longer . . . . 10 . . . 20 . . . 30 seconds . . . . .Hey, a rat can dream, can't he? ( - :

Charn the Loyal, 60 Assassin, Toxxulia
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To add to this, why not make this a whole skill line, so Assassins don't have to wait until level 55 to be able to do this. How to upgrade? Each higher stealth can put you in hiding for a longer duration and/or each one works on higher level mobs, and/or damage taken may break the stealth . . . the higher the CA the more damage you can take/the less chance it breaks . . .

I dunno, geez . . . there's a million things that can be done with this. Remember when we could root a mob then run behind it and use our bow CAs? Well, imagine if we could root a mob, use this stealth line . . . and be able to get behind a mob again without it turning . . . because we're actually IN stealth and it can't find us. And imagine, being able to take damage and stay in stealth . . . heck . . even THIS wouldn't overpower us because there are STILL many attack we have that we have to be flanking or behind . . in stealth or not.

::sigh:: I dunno, maybe I'm just desperate to be able to add more to my group . . .my guild . . . my fun in this game itself. . . .

Charn the (trying hard to be) Loyal, 60 Assassin, Toxxulia

Tealdea · 11-25-2005, 03:51 PM

I think everyone wants this change deep down inside. Here's to hope and dreams and those coming true. Here here But I don't think SoE cares about the Assn class... Havn't heard from a dev in quite a while now, about anything, about upcoming changes (except Concealment is getting a small hate reduction effect) or that they're done changing the class, that we are now in the spot we're suppose to be in their opinion. So I dunno... I think they're done with our class and arn't going to change anything else on us for a long while. But hey, I'm sure the backgrounds on the UI's are gonna get a new look AGAIN really soon, and smoother font and crisper text in your chat windows and all that nice stuff. (atleast those designers work)

Message Edited by Tealdeath on 11-25-2005 03:56 AM

NerroVI · 11-26-2005, 02:08 AM

To be perfectly honest if they wana seperate and define the Assassin class, they would simply put in a innate stealth line, where you are always in a form of stealth, and the same for rangers only call it camoflauge. Have the same mobs that can see thru stealth be able to see us but it would keep the annoyance in groups of having to restealth over and over, change the mask of night line to a pure form of a filler backstab attack, ditch concealment it is just about worthless I have it and it sits on my 3rd hotkey bank right next to all my other "i dont really have to worry about using these" abilities like pathfinding and apply poison murderous intent iow my concentration stuff once i cast them I forget about them because it is truely ueless, by the time I can use it during a group the mobs are dead about and my auto attack is off cos I forget I used it so more lost DPS.

NerroVI · 11-26-2005, 02:19 AM

On another note. hile im just venting =p Why must I be in stealth to do all these back attacks, if the game can already see that I am either A) Behind the mob. B) Behind/Flanking the mob. C) Not behind/or flanking the mob. If a combat ability calls for me to be A. and I am then that would tell me I am in the position to land a BACK or BEHIND the target attack, why is it I must be in stealth AND behind the mob, why cant it be a OR, you must be behind the mob OR behind the mob and stealthed. iow solo yes if I wana get up behind a aggro mob that is KoS then I wana be stealthed and behind the mob in order to suprise it. iow if I am in a group and a 450 lb ogre has already pulled 5 mobs I dont think me being in stealth is going to make it any more suprising to the said mobs that I have now gone into stealth and am now backstabing the heck out of it. I just do not see why in a group setting we should have to be doing, stealth, backstab, mask of night, backstab, surveil, backstab, mask of night, backstab AE, move around this whole time in order to get directly behind mobs. Why make it this way when you could simply tag it to be stealth or behind non stealthed. Instead of having to do all that mess above in a group we simply get in behind a group of targets and deathly blade, or gore strike, or assassinate, punch blade, garrote, IF we got aggro then we can use SURVEIL to slip into the shadows and hope the mob looses hate because we have made the check roll and then as the mob turns back to the target BAM backstab!

Persi · 11-30-2005, 06:06 AM

Well, in theory, the idea of an assassin striking from the shadows works and is very compelling. But the problem is when you translate this into the game you get a dilema. That is, if 80% of your attacks are from the back and in stealth, how are you going to get an oppurtunity to get off those attacks in a fight while soloing? We only have one stun so our choices are limited.....This is one of the prime reasons we can't solo worth a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

Orontes Thestud

40 Human Assassin

Unrest

11-21-2005, 10:08 PM	#1
Kabahl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 146	I wrote this in another thread, but I wanted to give this idea its own thread, maybe give it notice to the Devs. and the Assassin community at large . . . Original thread is here: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=40&message.id=9634 __________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ dparker713 wrote: Concealment - should place into stealth upon casting. Waste too much of the 5 seconds waiting to get into stealth due to lag and potential autoattack misses. You REALLY want to make this a viable skill? Have it put us into stealth as soon as we activate the skill. . . and have it KEEP us there for the 5 seconds, through auto attack, through CAs, through damage taken . . . through everything. Don't let it stop Auto attack (since we can auto attack through it) and just keep us in stealth . . . . 5 seconds of perma stealth isn't gonna over power us and it'll go a long way in helping us with DPS since it won't constantly stop us from auto attacking AND we could use it soloing since it'll keep us in stealth even though we're taking damage AND we could use it in raids when a mob AoEs. We really need every little bit we can to do comparable DPS AND be able to solo . . . Heh, and as long as I"m wishing . . . Make the duration of Concealement longer . . . . 10 . . . 20 . . . 30 seconds . . . . .Hey, a rat can dream, can't he? ( - : Charn the Loyal, 60 Assassin, Toxxulia __________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ To add to this, why not make this a whole skill line, so Assassins don't have to wait until level 55 to be able to do this. How to upgrade? Each higher stealth can put you in hiding for a longer duration and/or each one works on higher level mobs, and/or damage taken may break the stealth . . . the higher the CA the more damage you can take/the less chance it breaks . . . I dunno, geez . . . there's a million things that can be done with this. Remember when we could root a mob then run behind it and use our bow CAs? Well, imagine if we could root a mob, use this stealth line . . . and be able to get behind a mob again without it turning . . . because we're actually IN stealth and it can't find us. And imagine, being able to take damage and stay in stealth . . . heck . . even THIS wouldn't overpower us because there are STILL many attack we have that we have to be flanking or behind . . in stealth or not. ::sigh:: I dunno, maybe I'm just desperate to be able to add more to my group . . .my guild . . . my fun in this game itself. . . . Charn the (trying hard to be) Loyal, 60 Assassin, Toxxulia __________________

11-25-2005, 03:51 PM	#2
Tealdea General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 206	I think everyone wants this change deep down inside. Here's to hope and dreams and those coming true. Here here But I don't think SoE cares about the Assn class... Havn't heard from a dev in quite a while now, about anything, about upcoming changes (except Concealment is getting a small hate reduction effect) or that they're done changing the class, that we are now in the spot we're suppose to be in their opinion. So I dunno... I think they're done with our class and arn't going to change anything else on us for a long while. But hey, I'm sure the backgrounds on the UI's are gonna get a new look AGAIN really soon, and smoother font and crisper text in your chat windows and all that nice stuff. (atleast those designers work) Message Edited by Tealdeath on 11-25-2005 03:56 AM __________________ There's not enough... Blood.

11-26-2005, 02:08 AM	#3
NerroVI Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 150	To be perfectly honest if they wana seperate and define the Assassin class, they would simply put in a innate stealth line, where you are always in a form of stealth, and the same for rangers only call it camoflauge. Have the same mobs that can see thru stealth be able to see us but it would keep the annoyance in groups of having to restealth over and over, change the mask of night line to a pure form of a filler backstab attack, ditch concealment it is just about worthless I have it and it sits on my 3rd hotkey bank right next to all my other "i dont really have to worry about using these" abilities like pathfinding and apply poison murderous intent iow my concentration stuff once i cast them I forget about them because it is truely ueless, by the time I can use it during a group the mobs are dead about and my auto attack is off cos I forget I used it so more lost DPS. __________________ Lokas VonBlitzkrieg Assassin of Sinister Nektulos

11-26-2005, 02:19 AM	#4
NerroVI Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 150	On another note. hile im just venting =p Why must I be in stealth to do all these back attacks, if the game can already see that I am either A) Behind the mob. B) Behind/Flanking the mob. C) Not behind/or flanking the mob. If a combat ability calls for me to be A. and I am then that would tell me I am in the position to land a BACK or BEHIND the target attack, why is it I must be in stealth AND behind the mob, why cant it be a OR, you must be behind the mob OR behind the mob and stealthed. iow solo yes if I wana get up behind a aggro mob that is KoS then I wana be stealthed and behind the mob in order to suprise it. iow if I am in a group and a 450 lb ogre has already pulled 5 mobs I dont think me being in stealth is going to make it any more suprising to the said mobs that I have now gone into stealth and am now backstabing the heck out of it. I just do not see why in a group setting we should have to be doing, stealth, backstab, mask of night, backstab, surveil, backstab, mask of night, backstab AE, move around this whole time in order to get directly behind mobs. Why make it this way when you could simply tag it to be stealth or behind non stealthed. Instead of having to do all that mess above in a group we simply get in behind a group of targets and deathly blade, or gore strike, or assassinate, punch blade, garrote, IF we got aggro then we can use SURVEIL to slip into the shadows and hope the mob looses hate because we have made the check roll and then as the mob turns back to the target BAM backstab! __________________ Lokas VonBlitzkrieg Assassin of Sinister Nektulos

11-30-2005, 06:06 AM	#5
Persi General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 66	Well, in theory, the idea of an assassin striking from the shadows works and is very compelling. But the problem is when you translate this into the game you get a dilema. That is, if 80% of your attacks are from the back and in stealth, how are you going to get an oppurtunity to get off those attacks in a fight while soloing? We only have one stun so our choices are limited.....This is one of the prime reasons we can't solo worth a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Orontes Thestud 40 Human Assassin Unrest