Massacre

Mol · 04-19-2005, 12:11 PM

Still broken or so it would seem from my experience with it last night, seems to only hit for 24(or thereabouts) on a single mob.

scivias · 04-19-2005, 02:32 PM

Fixing Massace is on the Test Server Patch notes for live update 7.

ZaranilShadowfie · 04-21-2005, 02:27 PM

Massascre was fixed I guess, but now slaughter doesn't seem to work anymore lol.

xKaoSx · 04-21-2005, 03:22 PM

I tried both and they work for me at damage specified.

ZaranilShadowfie · 04-21-2005, 09:40 PM

The issue I was having with slaughter was that it hits mobs only in the encounter, but it seems to interput the range on it as if it were a point blank ae. So unless all the mobs in the encounter are standing next to you, you won't hit them all with this attack. Could swear it didn't use to be like this. I was pretty sure it used to work like pounce does, where the damage hits every mob in the encounter however far away they are from you (although I'm sure there is a range limit, but it is further than melee range unlike slaughter). Shadow assult on the other hand, which I was pretty sure was restricted simply to area effect damage, now will deal damage to the entire encounter even if they are not all in melee range.. and if there is mobs near you from another encounter, it will hit them too. Has it always been this way? Am I just taking crazy pills, or have any of you noticed changes?

Kokus · 04-21-2005, 09:54 PM

Having used Massacre a bit yesterday, I find it's damage very disappointing, and the recast on it a joke. Let's compare 2 adept 1 skills shall we?

Shadow Assault (adept 1)

Power 99

Casting time: 1.5 seconds

Recast time: 30 seconds

Duration: 16 seconds

Effect Radius: 10 meters

Max AOI targets: 5

Inflict 157-253 melee on target

Inflict 44-74 damage on target encounter.

Decrease health of target encounter by 53-89 every 5.3 seconds

Massacre (adept 1)

Power 99

Casting time: 1 second

Recast time: 1 minute

Duration: 12 seconds

Effect Radius: 5 meters

Max AOI targets: 10

Inflict 203-339 melee on targets in area

Decrease health of target by 28-34 every 4 seconds

Ok, pretty much in raids, you never use AoEs so we can only look at the data here as compared to a normal grinding session or killing greys for quests or whatnot.

Pros/Cons for Shadow Assault

+ Usually ends up doing much more damage than Massacre vs. a normal 3 group mob encounter.

+ Half the recast time of Massacre

+ Much higher range to catch mobs in the encounter with the AoE

- Takes .5 seconds longer to cast than Massacre

Pros/Cons for Massacre

+ Can hit mobs in more than 1 encounter. (great for clearing masses of grey mobs)

- Can hit mobs outside of the locked encounter potentially bringing adds if some mobs are nearby (scrap dashers in RE, etc.)

- Very small range

- Long recast time

Thoughts:

I was very disappointed with Massacre after trying it out. I think to make this ability useful, its recast needs to be changed to 20-25 seconds. It certainly does not justify the 1 minute recast in its current form.

Kokus · 04-21-2005, 09:56 PM

I hate these forums sometimes (double post)

Message Edited by Kokusho on 04-21-2005 11:57 AM

IsmeldaLasomb · 04-22-2005, 11:45 AM

ZaranilShadowfiend wrote:
The issue I was having with slaughter was that it hits mobs only in the encounter, but it seems to interput the range on it as if it were a point blank ae. So unless all the mobs in the encounter are standing next to you, you won't hit them all with this attack. Could swear it didn't use to be like this. I was pretty sure it used to work like pounce does, where the damage hits every mob in the encounter however far away they are from you (although I'm sure there is a range limit, but it is further than melee range unlike slaughter).
Shadow assult on the other hand, which I was pretty sure was restricted simply to area effect damage, now will deal damage to the entire encounter even if they are not all in melee range.. and if there is mobs near you from another encounter, it will hit them too.
Has it always been this way? Am I just taking crazy pills, or have any of you noticed changes?

You are sure about Shadow Assault ? If it is so, then it's bad, because what i liked in Assassin AOE was that they targeted the encounter only (and even those out of range of the attack at start). Might be handy in some occasion to do damage all around but most of the time it just created useless adds.

I was using more and more often Shadow Assault and Massacre Line (which was doing damage on the mobs of the same encounter if they were in range of it) because of this limitation to the mobs of the encounter only but if they have change that it is going to be messy.

By the way i used it yesterday and didn't notice this effect. Maybe i wan't close enough to the other mobs though. I will re-test that. I just hope you are wrong.

Message Edited by IsmeldaLasombra on 04-22-2005 09:49 AM

Tatali · 04-25-2005, 03:12 AM

Kokusho wrote:

Pros/Cons for Massacre

+ Can hit mobs in more than 1 encounter. (great for clearing masses of grey mobs)

- Can hit mobs outside of the locked encounter potentially bringing adds if some mobs are nearby (scrap dashers in RE, etc.)

Both of those are wrong. It does NOT hit mobs outside the targeted encounter. I found a group of mobs all very nearby each other and stood on top of one while targeting another and another 2 were very close. Massacre hit exactly one target. In fact, its green tint tells you this. Shadow Assault, on the other hand, is tinted the wrong color. It should be green also as it is encounter only, not a pure AE.

Kokus · 04-25-2005, 08:21 AM

Was fighting in nektropos tonight, Massacre aggro'd mobs through a wall.. *shrugs*

InuyMa · 04-25-2005, 09:27 AM

Sure it wasn't the blade flurry you proc'd when you massacre'd? =P

IsmeldaLasomb · 04-25-2005, 09:46 AM

Massacre do not hit any other target than those locked in an encounter. Out little buff Blade Fury in the other hand does the job. Now that it does damage to creature around you instead of giving you extra attacks, it can hit anything and then attract unwanted aggro. Let's say it is more a annoyance than an asset (if it ever was) now.

Massacre hitted more than one target each time i used it also. Maybe i am deluding myself though (gonna test it further).

One thing is sure, neither Massacre nor Shadow Assault target mob that are not in the encounter locked.

Kokus · 04-25-2005, 11:47 AM

I got massacre to grab something again just a little while ago. Also, if you just read the data, shadow assault clearly says the encounter, massacre just says the area.

IsmeldaLasomb · 04-25-2005, 11:56 AM

Kokusho wrote:

I got massacre to grab something again just a little while ago. Also, if you just read the data, shadow assault clearly says the encounter, massacre just says the area.

/agree.

Still it targets mobs of the encounter that are in range of the attack while Shadow Assault hit them even if not in range.

Tatali · 04-25-2005, 03:02 PM

Kokusho wrote:
I got massacre to grab something again just a little while ago. Also, if you just read the data, shadow assault clearly says the encounter, massacre just says the area.

Go test it, but click off Blade Flurry first. Blade Flurry got stealth nerfed into a pure AE when it procs. You may notice that occur more often when you use massacre becuase you're generating more hits in that period of time. I stood in the middle of several encounters worth of mobs and massacre never hit anything other than the encounter I was attacking. My guess is a "swipe" snuck in there and agroed your other mobs.

04-19-2005, 12:11 PM	#1
Mol General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 73	Still broken or so it would seem from my experience with it last night, seems to only hit for 24(or thereabouts) on a single mob. __________________ Seleth Silentdeath

04-19-2005, 02:32 PM	#2
scivias Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 475	Fixing Massace is on the Test Server Patch notes for live update 7. __________________

04-21-2005, 02:27 PM	#3
ZaranilShadowfie Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 110	Massascre was fixed I guess, but now slaughter doesn't seem to work anymore lol. __________________

04-21-2005, 09:40 PM	#5
ZaranilShadowfie Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 110	The issue I was having with slaughter was that it hits mobs only in the encounter, but it seems to interput the range on it as if it were a point blank ae. So unless all the mobs in the encounter are standing next to you, you won't hit them all with this attack. Could swear it didn't use to be like this. I was pretty sure it used to work like pounce does, where the damage hits every mob in the encounter however far away they are from you (although I'm sure there is a range limit, but it is further than melee range unlike slaughter). Shadow assult on the other hand, which I was pretty sure was restricted simply to area effect damage, now will deal damage to the entire encounter even if they are not all in melee range.. and if there is mobs near you from another encounter, it will hit them too. Has it always been this way? Am I just taking crazy pills, or have any of you noticed changes? __________________

04-21-2005, 09:54 PM	#6
Kokus General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 338	Having used Massacre a bit yesterday, I find it's damage very disappointing, and the recast on it a joke. Let's compare 2 adept 1 skills shall we? Shadow Assault (adept 1) Power 99 Casting time: 1.5 seconds Recast time: 30 seconds Duration: 16 seconds Effect Radius: 10 meters Max AOI targets: 5 Inflict 157-253 melee on target Inflict 44-74 damage on target encounter. Decrease health of target encounter by 53-89 every 5.3 seconds Massacre (adept 1) Power 99 Casting time: 1 second Recast time: 1 minute Duration: 12 seconds Effect Radius: 5 meters Max AOI targets: 10 Inflict 203-339 melee on targets in area Decrease health of target by 28-34 every 4 seconds Ok, pretty much in raids, you never use AoEs so we can only look at the data here as compared to a normal grinding session or killing greys for quests or whatnot. Pros/Cons for Shadow Assault + Usually ends up doing much more damage than Massacre vs. a normal 3 group mob encounter. + Half the recast time of Massacre + Much higher range to catch mobs in the encounter with the AoE - Takes .5 seconds longer to cast than Massacre Pros/Cons for Massacre + Can hit mobs in more than 1 encounter. (great for clearing masses of grey mobs) - Can hit mobs outside of the locked encounter potentially bringing adds if some mobs are nearby (scrap dashers in RE, etc.) - Very small range - Long recast time Thoughts: I was very disappointed with Massacre after trying it out. I think to make this ability useful, its recast needs to be changed to 20-25 seconds. It certainly does not justify the 1 minute recast in its current form. __________________

04-21-2005, 03:22 PM	#4
xKaoSx Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	I tried both and they work for me at damage specified.

04-21-2005, 09:56 PM	#7
Kokus General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 338	I hate these forums sometimes (double post) Message Edited by Kokusho on 04-21-2005 11:57 AM __________________

04-22-2005, 11:45 AM	#8
IsmeldaLasomb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 71	ZaranilShadowfiend wrote: The issue I was having with slaughter was that it hits mobs only in the encounter, but it seems to interput the range on it as if it were a point blank ae. So unless all the mobs in the encounter are standing next to you, you won't hit them all with this attack. Could swear it didn't use to be like this. I was pretty sure it used to work like pounce does, where the damage hits every mob in the encounter however far away they are from you (although I'm sure there is a range limit, but it is further than melee range unlike slaughter). Shadow assult on the other hand, which I was pretty sure was restricted simply to area effect damage, now will deal damage to the entire encounter even if they are not all in melee range.. and if there is mobs near you from another encounter, it will hit them too. Has it always been this way? Am I just taking crazy pills, or have any of you noticed changes? You are sure about Shadow Assault ? If it is so, then it's bad, because what i liked in Assassin AOE was that they targeted the encounter only (and even those out of range of the attack at start). Might be handy in some occasion to do damage all around but most of the time it just created useless adds. I was using more and more often Shadow Assault and Massacre Line (which was doing damage on the mobs of the same encounter if they were in range of it) because of this limitation to the mobs of the encounter only but if they have change that it is going to be messy. By the way i used it yesterday and didn't notice this effect. Maybe i wan't close enough to the other mobs though. I will re-test that. I just hope you are wrong. Message Edited by IsmeldaLasombra on 04-22-2005 09:49 AM __________________ Zaebosia Assamite, Assassin - Outfitter Befana Lasombra, Defiler - Sage Erzebeth, Enchanter - Scholar

04-25-2005, 03:12 AM	#9
Tatali Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 120	Kokusho wrote: Pros/Cons for Massacre + Can hit mobs in more than 1 encounter. (great for clearing masses of grey mobs) - Can hit mobs outside of the locked encounter potentially bringing adds if some mobs are nearby (scrap dashers in RE, etc.) Both of those are wrong. It does NOT hit mobs outside the targeted encounter. I found a group of mobs all very nearby each other and stood on top of one while targeting another and another 2 were very close. Massacre hit exactly one target. In fact, its green tint tells you this. Shadow Assault, on the other hand, is tinted the wrong color. It should be green also as it is encounter only, not a pure AE.

04-25-2005, 08:21 AM	#10
Kokus General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 338	Was fighting in nektropos tonight, Massacre aggro'd mobs through a wall.. shrugs __________________

04-25-2005, 09:27 AM	#11
InuyMa Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 49	Sure it wasn't the blade flurry you proc'd when you massacre'd? =P

04-25-2005, 09:46 AM	#12
IsmeldaLasomb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 71	Massacre do not hit any other target than those locked in an encounter. Out little buff Blade Fury in the other hand does the job. Now that it does damage to creature around you instead of giving you extra attacks, it can hit anything and then attract unwanted aggro. Let's say it is more a annoyance than an asset (if it ever was) now. Massacre hitted more than one target each time i used it also. Maybe i am deluding myself though (gonna test it further). One thing is sure, neither Massacre nor Shadow Assault target mob that are not in the encounter locked. __________________ Zaebosia Assamite, Assassin - Outfitter Befana Lasombra, Defiler - Sage Erzebeth, Enchanter - Scholar

04-25-2005, 11:47 AM	#13
Kokus General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 338	I got massacre to grab something again just a little while ago. Also, if you just read the data, shadow assault clearly says the encounter, massacre just says the area. __________________

04-25-2005, 11:56 AM	#14
IsmeldaLasomb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 71	Kokusho wrote: I got massacre to grab something again just a little while ago. Also, if you just read the data, shadow assault clearly says the encounter, massacre just says the area. /agree. Still it targets mobs of the encounter that are in range of the attack while Shadow Assault hit them even if not in range. __________________ Zaebosia Assamite, Assassin - Outfitter Befana Lasombra, Defiler - Sage Erzebeth, Enchanter - Scholar

04-25-2005, 03:02 PM	#15
Tatali Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 120	Kokusho wrote: I got massacre to grab something again just a little while ago. Also, if you just read the data, shadow assault clearly says the encounter, massacre just says the area. Go test it, but click off Blade Flurry first. Blade Flurry got stealth nerfed into a pure AE when it procs. You may notice that occur more often when you use massacre becuase you're generating more hits in that period of time. I stood in the middle of several encounters worth of mobs and massacre never hit anything other than the encounter I was attacking. My guess is a "swipe" snuck in there and agroed your other mobs.