Rangers Should have been like Hunters From WoW

Kaga · 01-18-2005, 11:14 PM

Ok, so my WoW servers are down... and I came back here to check out what's going on. I started a Hunter there, and I have to say... omg why didn't EQ2 do the same thing as WoW with Rangers? Hunters in WoW, are the masters of ranged combat, can fight up close, get a pet that they can tame and use for hunting, pretty much everything that people have been asking for here in EQ2, you can find in the Hunter class of WoW. Rangers are supposed to hunter's, but they are not hunters. Rangers need positional attacks, not only from the back and sides, but from the front. I mean slashing something's throat, or in the heart, or slashing it's gut, is going to ruin it's day. Being able to stand back and fire... and do damage... I mean wow a concecpt? The crafting system in WoW is also superior if you use gun's. You can make your own gun, and your own ammo, while out in the wild. You are feared at range, and with your pet, you are a real Hunter... they just make so much mroe sense, and seem more inline with what the class defining quest of predator makes you out to be.

Axxon · 01-18-2005, 11:20 PM

No offence, but I am so sick to freaking death of reading about WoW, SWG, FFXIIIII, and every other frigging game on my EQ2 boards. If WoW is so much better than EQ2, then by all means go play it and stop taking up valuable bandwidth. :smileymad:

Kaga · 01-18-2005, 11:21 PM

Drakkonius wrote:
No offence, but I am so sick to freaking death of reading about WoW, SWG, FFXIIIII, and every other frigging game on my EQ2 boards. If WoW is so much better than EQ2, then by all means go play it and stop taking up valuable bandwidth. :smileymad:

I do play WoW, and I used to be a contributor to this ranger board, but for everyone that is looking for what rangers should have been, I am letting them know that there is an alternative, and to stop wasting there money when what they want is out there.

NebulaCosmosi · 01-18-2005, 11:29 PM

Problem is WoW is a childrens game. It's basicly a dumbed down MMORPG. Everyone I know who plays/played it has maxed out or is real close to maxing out their toons. Plain and simple the game is the MMORPG "LITE". Have fun with it taste great but it's less filling.

Kaga · 01-18-2005, 11:35 PM

NebulaCosmosios wrote:
Problem is WoW is a childrens game. It's basicly a dumbed down MMORPG. Everyone I know who plays/played it has maxed out or is real close to maxing out their toons. Plain and simple the game is the MMORPG "LITE". Have fun with it taste great but it's less filling.

Well that's the problem, is everyone is taking everyone elses word for what their play experience would be like. I am glad SOE [Removed for Content] me off enough I went out and bought it only to try it for 30 days untill "The Big Patch". After I started playing it, I understand why I loved UO, EQ, AO. The game has all the fantasy and role playing and story line that I love, without the Tedium that EQ2 has. But that's just my opinion, don't let others tell you what opinion you should have.

Zholain · 01-19-2005, 12:09 AM

I am fortunate enough to work with a large group of people, most of whom enjoy online gaming. There is an even mix of EQ2/WoW players. Always, our first order of business in the mornings is to discuss the previous night's adventures. These discussions often become long sessions regarding general gameplay and/or the positive and negative aspects of both games. Believe me, judging from the folks I work with, WoW is difinitely not the Holy Grail that many believe it to be.Indeed, most of my co-workers agree that WoW's biggest shortcoming is that it is too easy to level up and the game will most likely suffer decreased longevity because of it. It that bad? Not necessarily. Each game has a lot of good things to offer, as well as it's own flaws. I for one would love to try WoW. But I have myself established in EQ2 and I'm not about to give that up...because it has been a heck of a lot of fun and I have a lot of time and effort invested. Many of my co-workers also want to try EQ2. The fact is that both of these games are huge advances over previous MMO's and we would be limiting ourselves by refusing to play one or the other.I have been very happy with my ranger, and although I would rather not have to pay for my arrows, I still like the role that the ranger plays in the game.In the end, each of us is able to use our own minds to decide which game we want to play. It is not necessary for anyone to come to the forums and tell EQ2 players that they should switch to WoW, or vice-versa. I intend on enjoying them both before its all said and done, although I have a feeling that EQ2 will remain my favorite. I just don't like the 'tooney' look to WoW.Catareina - Lvl 21 High Elf RangerHighkeep

Message Edited by Zholain on 01-18-2005 11:14 AM

hispu · 01-19-2005, 01:04 AM

What worries me is that it's Kagara saying this. :smileysad:

Didn't he write the book on scout? I'm sure I still have some of his old posts stickied.

When it's the highest level or most proficient Rangers in the game leaving for WOW, I'd say SOE has a problem.

Zholain · 01-19-2005, 01:36 AM

I'm almost inclined to believe that someone has spoofed Kagara's i.d. This doesn't sound like the Kagara that I'm used to reading. I have nothing but respect for what he accomplished in EQ2. If it is him, I hope he doesn't misunderstand my post.

Message Edited by Zholain on 01-18-2005 12:38 PM

Audio · 01-19-2005, 08:05 AM

Zholain wrote:
I'm almost inclined to believe that someone has spoofed Kagara's i.d. This doesn't sound like the Kagara that I'm used to reading. I have nothing but respect for what he accomplished in EQ2. If it is him, I hope he doesn't misunderstand my post.
Message Edited by Zholain on 01-18-2005 12:38 PM

Although I've respected some of Kargara's posts on these boards in the past and being helpful to the scout community, this is just getting old. The guy's not a god. He just power gamed his way through 50 levels of EQ2 before anyone else without stopping to take a breath and enjoy the view. If you've read some of his other posts mostly on the non-scout boards you might see that.

He started to complain that there's nothing to do at 50, posted in his sig that Vanguard Saga of Heroes was the next big MMO and that SOE sucked. He acted like he was the [Removed for Content] and then complained about SOE becaus he burned through the game.

Go play WOW Kargara. I'm sure you are happy there, it sounds like it is the game you were looking for. I'm just tired of hearing that SOE and EQ2 is cr4p because you ran through it. Most people on these boards are here because they are having fun and enjoy it.

I myself am not enjoying any more of your posts and I hope to not waste any more time reading them. Good luck with WOW.

faranth · 01-19-2005, 08:54 AM

I agree with the fact that SOE for the most part puts together a good game, but not everyone or thing is perfect.

I agree with the fact that cross analysis of classes in different MMORPG should NOT be done.

Especially with games like these two who have very different history of development.

For all the smack talking back and forth. EQ and EQ2 will probably out live all of the contenders. well EQ already has and i can see EQ2 doing the same.

Its a love hate relationship with SOE. But either way we stay SMILEY

Message Edited by faranthil on 01-18-2005 07:55 PM

Rolar · 01-19-2005, 08:54 PM

there is a difference between whining and bringing up valid points.

Read this months game informer, they said wow is better. wow 9.5 eq2 8.5

basically, the game wasnt so much BETTER, but they say that the extra blizzard polish makes it great. also the fact that wow hasv PvP was a big deciding factor...its VERY popular in wow. It also says that since wow isnt bleeding edge technology, that even low to mid range comp can run it beautifully. Im not jumpimng ship, but reading that article has me wondering...

read the article, there is a review of EQ2 on the next page.

it is a great review also, but only got a 8.5

Now, i LOVE EQ2. i got a game card so no matter what ill be playing it till march. But if THE very FIRST ranger inn EQ2 is concerend with rangers as to go as far as playing another game (where he finds the hunter to be more of a ranger that eq2 rangers) then i have to listen, not just fanboy him off with "u like wow, than go play wow". if Sony thinks EQ2 is so great then they shouldnt ban ppl when ever they want to mention a different games high points. Instaed, take what they (wow, competitors) have that we DONT AND MAKE IT BETTER. Because well, it seems that wow sure did.

again for the slow...I love EQ2, and no i dont plan on leaving it for wow, but it will be in the back of my mind from now on.

and plz, we dont need the "Game informer sucks" cause when i saw the scores i said the same thing. then i read the reviews.

plus...u ever think that Kagara was in beta and thats the reason he blew through so fast?

normally i would dog any poster like this, but since its Kag, i will listen. Hell, its not like u cant go back to EQ2 after u try wow.

Eid · 01-19-2005, 10:17 PM

I hate these posts.

I love the game so far,im level 27 and have played for 307 hours,it will probly take me another 700 to get to level 50.The game has a life span.You shouldnt come to the boards and compare WOW to EQ2 they are totally diffrent games.As for comparing classes ,i mean come on!no ones going to read that and go

"holy crap!The grind king hath spoken and told me to leave Eq and go to the wonderful world of warcraft."

Its not going to happen,you posted to start an argument.

Lithowynn · 01-19-2005, 10:19 PM

Why are people complaining about EQ2 in this forum?? If you like WoW, play WoW but please dont flame on the EQ2 website in an effort to win gamers to WoW or for whatever reason you are doing this. Furthermore, for those of you who like to complain in game, spare us please because your complaining is annoying. Do any of you work for Blizzard?? If you dont work for them then dont try to do their work. Listen to this carefully because its a helpful bit of information, EVERY MMO HAS FLAWS. Every MMO comes out with things to improve on. You dont like Rangers? They can change things for the class if enough people arent satisfied or if someone has a good idea, they may implement it. No MMO will ever be perfect for everyones taste so please, go play WoW and be happy. I am a Ranger and I agree that they need some tweaking but it will be taken care of.

ProtoDe · 01-19-2005, 11:12 PM

Personally I'm not happy at all with what Sony did to my beloved Ranger.

Coming from the original Everquest, I guess I had a preconcieved notion of what a Ranger should be. Entering into EQ2 I had certain expectations that my preferred class would have certain abilities and as it turns out, the class has been totally re-designed and practically mangled beyond recognition. As it is now, I feel like nothing more than a Rogue with a bow. And bow damage is pretty subjective as to its usefulness as well.

I know I'm not the only one.

So, as so many of you are thinking and others will say, "deal with it or go away". Ok, I'm dealing with it, but very disappointed. There's nothing more frustrating to me than hearing some other class tell me that they can solo green or blue mob_01 and that I should be able to as well, yet because I'm stuck in a backstabbing Rogue-type role, I have virtually no soloability and have to practically beg guildies to help me fight the green and blue mobs that they are able to solo with ease, just to be able to finish some quest or city writ for my guild. At least in EQ I had the option of kiting, but Sony (for whatever hairbrained reason) decided they were going to stomp out all kiting abilities from all classes, so that's not an option any more.

My roommate is a longtime Druid player from EQ1 and is equally disappointed with what they did to his favorite class. He says he feels like nothing more than a Cleric with SoW. He tells me that his Mage feels more like a Druid to him than his Druid does due to the ability to root and dot, which they so brilliantly left the Druid in EQ2 wanting...can't say that I disagree with his assessment.

So after much frustration I as well decided to try WoW and the Hunter.

Yes the graphics are a bit cartoony-feeling, at least at first (that's not such an issue to me as I hardly ever look at myself and the mobs are rendered realtively realistically). The game in general has a somewhat simplified feel to it in comparison to EQ2 but you know what I've found more than anything else is that it's FUN. Of course the only preconceptions I had entering into it was from playing WC1,2, and 3 so wasn't really sure as to what to expect from this class. Was really suprised to find out I got a really useful pet (of my choice) at level 10.

But then on the downside (to me) WoW has PvP.

Not that that is a total bummer - some people actually like it, but from what I've seen so far the vast majority of those that turn on their PvP flag are the 10-year old punks that do nothing more than come over to the newbie zones trying to gank/grief others just to try to make themselves feel l33t. Or kill a quest NPC that I'm trying to do a turn-in with. Ah well, a-holes abound everywhere you go.

One other thing to note about the difference between the two is the way that in EQ2 you can pull one mob right through a whole slew of other mobs without agroing any of the nearby mobs, where in WoW the mobs are very social and will help each other out in order to toast your butt. I am also told by my high level friends that the AI is incredible - caster mobs will root you down then back away and cast/fire at you from range - or put the entire party to sleep and go for the healer.

All things considered, I really like BOTH games. Both have their challenges and both have their downsides. I'm not endorsing one over the other or suggesting that anyone give up one for the other - play whichever makes you happy because in the end, that's why we play these games.

When I get frustrated with one I can always go to the other and get a breath of fresh air. And sometimes a sigh of relief.

Slingsun · 01-19-2005, 11:40 PM

I like EQ2 , but my 10year old son was haveing difficulties with the interaction and coordination with others needed to play, so i bought him WoW, he's having a great time and is already lvl 38, (im still 21 ranger on EQ). The only problem he has is getting on, (long ques, down server, lag). It's definitely different stokes for different folks, I tried WoW when he offered to let me create a toon, and was suprized how fast i was lvl 18, and rich, (one evening), I mailed him all my money and loot (a neat system for muling) came back to the real story.

Fib · 01-20-2005, 12:29 AM

I also have a WoW account. I have it because my sons are both away from home and we all agreed to play it to hang out together.

I have a hunter as well.

Its fun. The main thing that I like is the pvp alliance vs horde interactions. I also think it has potential to be pretty immersive if you get into it.

As far as EQ2 rangers are concerned, I like em. I like the overall balanced feel to characters in EQ2. I like the incredible survivability of rangers. With evac you can basically run through places exploring and if you get aggro you can try to escape...if it turns sour evac. Its great. The dps is fantastic. I dont see any class in EQ2 that is the superpowered soloing monster class. BUT there is room for innovative and creative gameplay. For example try grouping with a bunch of fellow rangers. Actually my main group is often all rangers a healer and a dirge. I am no tank but I can stand their for a bit by using natural instincts and making sure my armor is an appropriate level. I n an open space we can take down mobs pretty quick. In a dungeon sometimes its dicey because you can not use guerilla tactics.

Have you tried the hit and run guerilla tactics of getting aggro then circling your buddies till the mob either drops then switches aggro? Its a hoot? Its exactly what mobile sneaky ranger fighters would do. And if they going gets rough ANY ONE of us can get ourselves and each other out of trouble. A deft ranger group in the open should never die.

I think that there is more to EQ2 than meets the eye.

The more I play the more I realize its a mistake by design to go uber. If you race you end up missing content and for example paying lower level players huges amounts of money for giant idols and such SMILEY

Stories and neat adventures abound. I just got access to Zek. Because I am not in a hurry I am totally enjoying the battelfront feel to the place and I really haven't even started hunting there.

I get the feeling that things will be very adventures with the advent of the plans for modules that smedley was talking about.

I think that both of these games have nice interesting and ambitious stories. In a way it would be a mistake to not appreciate the flavor and energy of either of them.

Fib · 01-20-2005, 12:30 AM

I also have a WoW account. I have it because my sons are both away from home and we all agreed to play it to hang out together.

I have a hunter as well.

Its fun. The main thing that I like is the pvp alliance vs horde interactions. I also think it has potential to be pretty immersive if you get into it.

As far as EQ2 rangers are concerned, I like em. I like the overall balanced feel to characters in EQ2. I like the incredible survivability of rangers. With evac you can basically run through places exploring and if you get aggro you can try to escape...if it turns sour evac. Its great. The dps is fantastic. I dont see any class in EQ2 that is the superpowered soloing monster class. BUT there is room for innovative and creative gameplay. For example try grouping with a bunch of fellow rangers. Actually my main group is often all rangers a healer and a dirge. I am no tank but I can stand their for a bit by using natural instincts and making sure my armor is an appropriate level. I n an open space we can take down mobs pretty quick. In a dungeon sometimes its dicey because you can not use guerilla tactics.

Have you tried the hit and run guerilla tactics of getting aggro then circling your buddies till the mob either drops then switches aggro? Its a hoot? Its exactly what mobile sneaky ranger fighters would do. And if they going gets rough ANY ONE of us can get ourselves and each other out of trouble. A deft ranger group in the open should never die.

I think that there is more to EQ2 than meets the eye.

The more I play the more I realize its a mistake by design to go uber. If you race you end up missing content and for example paying lower level players huges amounts of money for giant idols and such SMILEY

Stories and neat adventures abound. I just got access to Zek. Because I am not in a hurry I am totally enjoying the battelfront feel to the place and I really haven't even started hunting there.

I get the feeling that things will be very adventures with the advent of the plans for modules that smedley was talking about.

I think that both of these games have nice interesting and ambitious stories. In a way it would be a mistake to not appreciate the flavor and energy of either of them.

01-18-2005, 11:14 PM	#1
Kaga Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 132	Ok, so my WoW servers are down... and I came back here to check out what's going on. I started a Hunter there, and I have to say... omg why didn't EQ2 do the same thing as WoW with Rangers? Hunters in WoW, are the masters of ranged combat, can fight up close, get a pet that they can tame and use for hunting, pretty much everything that people have been asking for here in EQ2, you can find in the Hunter class of WoW. Rangers are supposed to hunter's, but they are not hunters. Rangers need positional attacks, not only from the back and sides, but from the front. I mean slashing something's throat, or in the heart, or slashing it's gut, is going to ruin it's day. Being able to stand back and fire... and do damage... I mean wow a concecpt? The crafting system in WoW is also superior if you use gun's. You can make your own gun, and your own ammo, while out in the wild. You are feared at range, and with your pet, you are a real Hunter... they just make so much mroe sense, and seem more inline with what the class defining quest of predator makes you out to be. __________________ sig removed by Faarwolf

01-18-2005, 11:20 PM	#2
Axxon Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: The Discipleship Rank: Sovereign Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 417	No offence, but I am so sick to freaking death of reading about WoW, SWG, FFXIIIII, and every other frigging game on my EQ2 boards. If WoW is so much better than EQ2, then by all means go play it and stop taking up valuable bandwidth. :smileymad: __________________

01-18-2005, 11:21 PM	#3
Kaga Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 132	Drakkonius wrote: No offence, but I am so sick to freaking death of reading about WoW, SWG, FFXIIIII, and every other frigging game on my EQ2 boards. If WoW is so much better than EQ2, then by all means go play it and stop taking up valuable bandwidth. :smileymad: I do play WoW, and I used to be a contributor to this ranger board, but for everyone that is looking for what rangers should have been, I am letting them know that there is an alternative, and to stop wasting there money when what they want is out there. __________________ sig removed by Faarwolf

01-18-2005, 11:35 PM	#5
Kaga Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 132	NebulaCosmosios wrote: Problem is WoW is a childrens game. It's basicly a dumbed down MMORPG. Everyone I know who plays/played it has maxed out or is real close to maxing out their toons. Plain and simple the game is the MMORPG "LITE". Have fun with it taste great but it's less filling. Well that's the problem, is everyone is taking everyone elses word for what their play experience would be like. I am glad SOE [Removed for Content] me off enough I went out and bought it only to try it for 30 days untill "The Big Patch". After I started playing it, I understand why I loved UO, EQ, AO. The game has all the fantasy and role playing and story line that I love, without the Tedium that EQ2 has. But that's just my opinion, don't let others tell you what opinion you should have. __________________ sig removed by Faarwolf

01-19-2005, 12:09 AM	#6
Zholain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 641	I am fortunate enough to work with a large group of people, most of whom enjoy online gaming. There is an even mix of EQ2/WoW players. Always, our first order of business in the mornings is to discuss the previous night's adventures. These discussions often become long sessions regarding general gameplay and/or the positive and negative aspects of both games. Believe me, judging from the folks I work with, WoW is difinitely not the Holy Grail that many believe it to be.Indeed, most of my co-workers agree that WoW's biggest shortcoming is that it is too easy to level up and the game will most likely suffer decreased longevity because of it. It that bad? Not necessarily. Each game has a lot of good things to offer, as well as it's own flaws. I for one would love to try WoW. But I have myself established in EQ2 and I'm not about to give that up...because it has been a heck of a lot of fun and I have a lot of time and effort invested. Many of my co-workers also want to try EQ2. The fact is that both of these games are huge advances over previous MMO's and we would be limiting ourselves by refusing to play one or the other.I have been very happy with my ranger, and although I would rather not have to pay for my arrows, I still like the role that the ranger plays in the game.In the end, each of us is able to use our own minds to decide which game we want to play. It is not necessary for anyone to come to the forums and tell EQ2 players that they should switch to WoW, or vice-versa. I intend on enjoying them both before its all said and done, although I have a feeling that EQ2 will remain my favorite. I just don't like the 'tooney' look to WoW.Catareina - Lvl 21 High Elf RangerHighkeep Message Edited by Zholain on 01-18-2005 11:14 AM __________________

01-18-2005, 11:29 PM	#4
NebulaCosmosi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 24	Problem is WoW is a childrens game. It's basicly a dumbed down MMORPG. Everyone I know who plays/played it has maxed out or is real close to maxing out their toons. Plain and simple the game is the MMORPG "LITE". Have fun with it taste great but it's less filling.

01-19-2005, 01:04 AM	#7
hispu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	What worries me is that it's Kagara saying this. :smileysad: Didn't he write the book on scout? I'm sure I still have some of his old posts stickied. When it's the highest level or most proficient Rangers in the game leaving for WOW, I'd say SOE has a problem.

01-19-2005, 01:36 AM	#8
Zholain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 641	I'm almost inclined to believe that someone has spoofed Kagara's i.d. This doesn't sound like the Kagara that I'm used to reading. I have nothing but respect for what he accomplished in EQ2. If it is him, I hope he doesn't misunderstand my post. Message Edited by Zholain on 01-18-2005 12:38 PM __________________

01-19-2005, 08:05 AM	#9
Audio Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88	Zholain wrote: I'm almost inclined to believe that someone has spoofed Kagara's i.d. This doesn't sound like the Kagara that I'm used to reading. I have nothing but respect for what he accomplished in EQ2. If it is him, I hope he doesn't misunderstand my post. Message Edited by Zholain on 01-18-2005 12:38 PM Although I've respected some of Kargara's posts on these boards in the past and being helpful to the scout community, this is just getting old. The guy's not a god. He just power gamed his way through 50 levels of EQ2 before anyone else without stopping to take a breath and enjoy the view. If you've read some of his other posts mostly on the non-scout boards you might see that. He started to complain that there's nothing to do at 50, posted in his sig that Vanguard Saga of Heroes was the next big MMO and that SOE sucked. He acted like he was the [Removed for Content] and then complained about SOE becaus he burned through the game. Go play WOW Kargara. I'm sure you are happy there, it sounds like it is the game you were looking for. I'm just tired of hearing that SOE and EQ2 is cr4p because you ran through it. Most people on these boards are here because they are having fun and enjoy it. I myself am not enjoying any more of your posts and I hope to not waste any more time reading them. Good luck with WOW.

01-19-2005, 08:54 AM	#10
faranth Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 46	I agree with the fact that SOE for the most part puts together a good game, but not everyone or thing is perfect. I agree with the fact that cross analysis of classes in different MMORPG should NOT be done. Especially with games like these two who have very different history of development. For all the smack talking back and forth. EQ and EQ2 will probably out live all of the contenders. well EQ already has and i can see EQ2 doing the same. Its a love hate relationship with SOE. But either way we stay Message Edited by faranthil on 01-18-2005 07:55 PM __________________ Faranthil Tanathos half-elven Ranger_Master Bower_

01-19-2005, 08:54 PM	#11
Rolar Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 61	there is a difference between whining and bringing up valid points. Read this months game informer, they said wow is better. wow 9.5 eq2 8.5 basically, the game wasnt so much BETTER, but they say that the extra blizzard polish makes it great. also the fact that wow hasv PvP was a big deciding factor...its VERY popular in wow. It also says that since wow isnt bleeding edge technology, that even low to mid range comp can run it beautifully. Im not jumpimng ship, but reading that article has me wondering... read the article, there is a review of EQ2 on the next page. it is a great review also, but only got a 8.5 Now, i LOVE EQ2. i got a game card so no matter what ill be playing it till march. But if THE very FIRST ranger inn EQ2 is concerend with rangers as to go as far as playing another game (where he finds the hunter to be more of a ranger that eq2 rangers) then i have to listen, not just fanboy him off with "u like wow, than go play wow". if Sony thinks EQ2 is so great then they shouldnt ban ppl when ever they want to mention a different games high points. Instaed, take what they (wow, competitors) have that we DONT AND MAKE IT BETTER. Because well, it seems that wow sure did. again for the slow...I love EQ2, and no i dont plan on leaving it for wow, but it will be in the back of my mind from now on. and plz, we dont need the "Game informer sucks" cause when i saw the scores i said the same thing. then i read the reviews. plus...u ever think that Kagara was in beta and thats the reason he blew through so fast? normally i would dog any poster like this, but since its Kag, i will listen. Hell, its not like u cant go back to EQ2 after u try wow. __________________ Rolarin Nimbaru of the Imfamous Nimbaru Forest Clan 26 Female Wood Elf Ranger Roluscious Nimbaru of the imfamous Nimbaru Forest Clan 19 Female Dark Elf Brawler Kickin it on the ABBA - Antonia Bayle

01-19-2005, 10:17 PM	#12
Eid Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	I hate these posts. I love the game so far,im level 27 and have played for 307 hours,it will probly take me another 700 to get to level 50.The game has a life span.You shouldnt come to the boards and compare WOW to EQ2 they are totally diffrent games.As for comparing classes ,i mean come on!no ones going to read that and go "holy crap!The grind king hath spoken and told me to leave Eq and go to the wonderful world of warcraft." Its not going to happen,you posted to start an argument.

01-19-2005, 10:19 PM	#13
Lithowynn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	Why are people complaining about EQ2 in this forum?? If you like WoW, play WoW but please dont flame on the EQ2 website in an effort to win gamers to WoW or for whatever reason you are doing this. Furthermore, for those of you who like to complain in game, spare us please because your complaining is annoying. Do any of you work for Blizzard?? If you dont work for them then dont try to do their work. Listen to this carefully because its a helpful bit of information, EVERY MMO HAS FLAWS. Every MMO comes out with things to improve on. You dont like Rangers? They can change things for the class if enough people arent satisfied or if someone has a good idea, they may implement it. No MMO will ever be perfect for everyones taste so please, go play WoW and be happy. I am a Ranger and I agree that they need some tweaking but it will be taken care of.

01-19-2005, 11:12 PM	#14
ProtoDe General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 24	Personally I'm not happy at all with what Sony did to my beloved Ranger. Coming from the original Everquest, I guess I had a preconcieved notion of what a Ranger should be. Entering into EQ2 I had certain expectations that my preferred class would have certain abilities and as it turns out, the class has been totally re-designed and practically mangled beyond recognition. As it is now, I feel like nothing more than a Rogue with a bow. And bow damage is pretty subjective as to its usefulness as well. I know I'm not the only one. So, as so many of you are thinking and others will say, "deal with it or go away". Ok, I'm dealing with it, but very disappointed. There's nothing more frustrating to me than hearing some other class tell me that they can solo green or blue mob_01 and that I should be able to as well, yet because I'm stuck in a backstabbing Rogue-type role, I have virtually no soloability and have to practically beg guildies to help me fight the green and blue mobs that they are able to solo with ease, just to be able to finish some quest or city writ for my guild. At least in EQ I had the option of kiting, but Sony (for whatever hairbrained reason) decided they were going to stomp out all kiting abilities from all classes, so that's not an option any more. My roommate is a longtime Druid player from EQ1 and is equally disappointed with what they did to his favorite class. He says he feels like nothing more than a Cleric with SoW. He tells me that his Mage feels more like a Druid to him than his Druid does due to the ability to root and dot, which they so brilliantly left the Druid in EQ2 wanting...can't say that I disagree with his assessment. So after much frustration I as well decided to try WoW and the Hunter. Yes the graphics are a bit cartoony-feeling, at least at first (that's not such an issue to me as I hardly ever look at myself and the mobs are rendered realtively realistically). The game in general has a somewhat simplified feel to it in comparison to EQ2 but you know what I've found more than anything else is that it's FUN. Of course the only preconceptions I had entering into it was from playing WC1,2, and 3 so wasn't really sure as to what to expect from this class. Was really suprised to find out I got a really useful pet (of my choice) at level 10. But then on the downside (to me) WoW has PvP. Not that that is a total bummer - some people actually like it, but from what I've seen so far the vast majority of those that turn on their PvP flag are the 10-year old punks that do nothing more than come over to the newbie zones trying to gank/grief others just to try to make themselves feel l33t. Or kill a quest NPC that I'm trying to do a turn-in with. Ah well, a-holes abound everywhere you go. One other thing to note about the difference between the two is the way that in EQ2 you can pull one mob right through a whole slew of other mobs without agroing any of the nearby mobs, where in WoW the mobs are very social and will help each other out in order to toast your butt. I am also told by my high level friends that the AI is incredible - caster mobs will root you down then back away and cast/fire at you from range - or put the entire party to sleep and go for the healer. All things considered, I really like BOTH games. Both have their challenges and both have their downsides. I'm not endorsing one over the other or suggesting that anyone give up one for the other - play whichever makes you happy because in the end, that's why we play these games. When I get frustrated with one I can always go to the other and get a breath of fresh air. And sometimes a sigh of relief.

01-19-2005, 11:40 PM	#15
Slingsun Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 21	I like EQ2 , but my 10year old son was haveing difficulties with the interaction and coordination with others needed to play, so i bought him WoW, he's having a great time and is already lvl 38, (im still 21 ranger on EQ). The only problem he has is getting on, (long ques, down server, lag). It's definitely different stokes for different folks, I tried WoW when he offered to let me create a toon, and was suprized how fast i was lvl 18, and rich, (one evening), I mailed him all my money and loot (a neat system for muling) came back to the real story.

01-20-2005, 12:29 AM	#16
Fib Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	I also have a WoW account. I have it because my sons are both away from home and we all agreed to play it to hang out together. I have a hunter as well. Its fun. The main thing that I like is the pvp alliance vs horde interactions. I also think it has potential to be pretty immersive if you get into it. As far as EQ2 rangers are concerned, I like em. I like the overall balanced feel to characters in EQ2. I like the incredible survivability of rangers. With evac you can basically run through places exploring and if you get aggro you can try to escape...if it turns sour evac. Its great. The dps is fantastic. I dont see any class in EQ2 that is the superpowered soloing monster class. BUT there is room for innovative and creative gameplay. For example try grouping with a bunch of fellow rangers. Actually my main group is often all rangers a healer and a dirge. I am no tank but I can stand their for a bit by using natural instincts and making sure my armor is an appropriate level. I n an open space we can take down mobs pretty quick. In a dungeon sometimes its dicey because you can not use guerilla tactics. Have you tried the hit and run guerilla tactics of getting aggro then circling your buddies till the mob either drops then switches aggro? Its a hoot? Its exactly what mobile sneaky ranger fighters would do. And if they going gets rough ANY ONE of us can get ourselves and each other out of trouble. A deft ranger group in the open should never die. I think that there is more to EQ2 than meets the eye. The more I play the more I realize its a mistake by design to go uber. If you race you end up missing content and for example paying lower level players huges amounts of money for giant idols and such Stories and neat adventures abound. I just got access to Zek. Because I am not in a hurry I am totally enjoying the battelfront feel to the place and I really haven't even started hunting there. I get the feeling that things will be very adventures with the advent of the plans for modules that smedley was talking about. I think that both of these games have nice interesting and ambitious stories. In a way it would be a mistake to not appreciate the flavor and energy of either of them.

01-20-2005, 12:30 AM	#17
Fib Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	I also have a WoW account. I have it because my sons are both away from home and we all agreed to play it to hang out together. I have a hunter as well. Its fun. The main thing that I like is the pvp alliance vs horde interactions. I also think it has potential to be pretty immersive if you get into it. As far as EQ2 rangers are concerned, I like em. I like the overall balanced feel to characters in EQ2. I like the incredible survivability of rangers. With evac you can basically run through places exploring and if you get aggro you can try to escape...if it turns sour evac. Its great. The dps is fantastic. I dont see any class in EQ2 that is the superpowered soloing monster class. BUT there is room for innovative and creative gameplay. For example try grouping with a bunch of fellow rangers. Actually my main group is often all rangers a healer and a dirge. I am no tank but I can stand their for a bit by using natural instincts and making sure my armor is an appropriate level. I n an open space we can take down mobs pretty quick. In a dungeon sometimes its dicey because you can not use guerilla tactics. Have you tried the hit and run guerilla tactics of getting aggro then circling your buddies till the mob either drops then switches aggro? Its a hoot? Its exactly what mobile sneaky ranger fighters would do. And if they going gets rough ANY ONE of us can get ourselves and each other out of trouble. A deft ranger group in the open should never die. I think that there is more to EQ2 than meets the eye. The more I play the more I realize its a mistake by design to go uber. If you race you end up missing content and for example paying lower level players huges amounts of money for giant idols and such Stories and neat adventures abound. I just got access to Zek. Because I am not in a hurry I am totally enjoying the battelfront feel to the place and I really haven't even started hunting there. I get the feeling that things will be very adventures with the advent of the plans for modules that smedley was talking about. I think that both of these games have nice interesting and ambitious stories. In a way it would be a mistake to not appreciate the flavor and energy of either of them.