Cheap Shot Adept III

Myk · 11-02-2005, 01:08 AM

As far as I know, cheap shot is the only stun that we ever get, and we get it at level 6 like all the other scouts. I am level 50 now and am in the process of upgrading about 10 of my level 45-50 abilities to adept III. When I looked over all my abilities yesterday, I noticed that my cheap shot was still at app II. I bought a T1 rare for about 1 gold but couldn't find anyone to make me the adept III and then found the spell on broker for 20 gold. I bought it.

Does anyone have any info on cheap shot at adept III? I know the ability is not quantifiable like a buff, dmg, or debuff spell, but is there anything to indicate that cheap shot at adept III is superior to lower versions of the ability? Is cheap shot resistable or can the stun wear off early due to a resist? If it is better, I encourage all scouts to upgrade it since it's super cheap to upgrade, especially if you can find someone to make it for you.

ForgottenFoundling · 11-02-2005, 03:23 AM

I didn't see any noticeable difference from upgrading my app 3 to adept 3.

juz · 11-02-2005, 03:45 AM

I'm pondering the same question. I don't wanna waste 20 gold.

Myk · 11-02-2005, 03:56 AM

Well, I was just impatient and paid the 20 gold. As I mentioned in my original post, I bought the rare I needed (actually bought 3 for 1 gold each with the idea of having 3 made and giving the extras to scouts in my guild as stocking stuffers). The jeweler I usually hire to make my tier 5 adepts said she did not have the rare book needed to make tier 1 adept III's.

I guess my point is that you should be able to upgrade cheap shot to adept III for just a few gold if you can find someone to make it for you. The rare should be very easy to come by on the broker for a cheap price. For an ability you will use regularly from level 6 to 60, I think it's well worth it and I wish I had upgraded earlier.

Viglundr · 11-02-2005, 04:44 AM

The Adept3 version has it's stun last for 7 seconds.

That is the only difference.

Myrddhinn · 11-02-2005, 02:43 PM

We compared through our guild a few days ago :

Swashy 38, Cheap Shot Ad. III : 5.5 s.

Ranger 42, Cheap Shot Ad. III : 6.0 s.

Ranger 51, Cheap Shot Ad. III : 7.0 s.

Troubadour 53, Cheap Shot Ad. III : 7.0 s.

We concluded the duration increased with the Level, not with the Quality.

We are waiting for our Swashy to reach the next Tier to see if its duration increases to 6.0 s.

WooTast · 11-04-2005, 11:16 PM

I saw an Adept3 of Cheap Shot on the broker this morning, but did not buy it because the description was exactly the same -- 7 second stun, etc.

Sir Blig · 11-07-2005, 04:41 PM

Dito

Yup cheap shot has no upgrade, and seems to be resisted at the same rate

Forgoten the names

Both hight level charms upgraded to app iv and mezes upgraded to adept III are the upgrades changed nothing and they seem to get resisted at the same rate,

getting tied of losing gold

ForgottenFoundling · 11-07-2005, 10:48 PM

Both the upgraded Mez and Charm are resisted/break less often. I have Lullaby at adept 3 and our other troubie has it at master 1. His is rarely ever resisted (even when he was lower level than I...). I have a master charm that doesn't break as often as my adept 1 did.

Nydysean · 11-16-2005, 04:47 PM

My understanding is that it would be resisted or break less often. However, I cannot think of any time that my cheap shot was resisted. The closest thing to that is fighting in a group and so it acts more like an interupt them. However, I have noticed something. When using cheap shot solo, I can stun something that is either no arrows at all or down arrows (heroic or solo) and the stun will last for the duration no matter how many times I hit them. However, if it has up arrows forget about it. I just hope I can flank them intime to get a CA off. My cheap shot is still at apprentice1 so if one of you people out there with adept III want to see how well yours works on mobs with up arrows then I think it is there that we will see the difference in the upgrade. However, I do not know this for sure it is just a theory and needs to be tested.

Crombie · 11-16-2005, 08:25 PM

From my experience, Cheapshot adept 3 hasnt helped with the duration vs mobs with arrows. You can stun them for a duration if your attack is off, which gives you time to mez them if able (and if they arent hit). Besides that, I cant say there is much difference in the level of cheapshot vs heroic+ mobs.

Nydysean · 11-17-2005, 11:57 AM

Yeah, that and I noticed today that the issue was something soe did with cheap shot and was not something that changed with upgrades. We are now supposed to be able to stun everything, except epic. I have not soloed since I found this out in order to test it.

Travesty · 11-24-2005, 02:53 AM

Ive upgraded my Cheap Shot to Adept III, with the hopes it may give a longer duration or less chance for resists, but from my experience it does not (just like the description says).

I have noticed my stun more or less lands on my Everfrost writ mobs 99%+ of the time. I almost always get a back attack and my Bow CA in during that time. Hitting them during the battle does not break the Stun as it previously did before the a few updates ago (dont have to turn off ur auto-attack). If you sit in the mobs melee range, of course, he is gonna hit you (and appear as if it was broken). Nay-sayers can test this by stepping away and using one of your ranged attacks. =)

With ^^ or ^^^ mobs in CT, they will not Stun them. I have seen intances where a ^^ will be stunned momentarily and just enough to get my back attack or ranged in, and have hit turn around or run to me. So, it will lead me to believe the arrows on the mob does directly affect the stun (resist factor).

Good luck

Snublefot · 11-24-2005, 05:22 PM

My experience is that Cheap shot stuns in combat on no arrow and arrow down mobs. Arrow do get stunned, but it breaks on attack. Breaking attack and doing cheap shot add a spell icon to active spells that I never see on the mobs I actually stun. So my guess is that its two clearly diffrent effects based on mob arrows.Adept 3? Still hunting for the ink books SMILEY

11-02-2005, 03:23 AM	#2
ForgottenFoundling Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 373	I didn't see any noticeable difference from upgrading my app 3 to adept 3. __________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Poofe Fromage the Fragrant - Erudite Troubadour 80 / Tailor 80 - Qeynos - ButcherBlock/Highkeep

11-02-2005, 03:45 AM	#3
juz General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 318	I'm pondering the same question. I don't wanna waste 20 gold. __________________

11-02-2005, 04:44 AM	#5
Viglundr Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	The Adept3 version has it's stun last for 7 seconds. That is the only difference. __________________

11-04-2005, 11:16 PM	#7
WooTast General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	I saw an Adept3 of Cheap Shot on the broker this morning, but did not buy it because the description was exactly the same -- 7 second stun, etc. __________________ Soprenah Level 70 Troubador (retired)

11-07-2005, 04:41 PM	#8
Sir Blig Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 108	Dito Yup cheap shot has no upgrade, and seems to be resisted at the same rate Forgoten the names Both hight level charms upgraded to app iv and mezes upgraded to adept III are the upgrades changed nothing and they seem to get resisted at the same rate, getting tied of losing gold __________________ Resident of Highkeep. Now Butcherblock Troubador of the 70th order. Warden of the 70th order. Coerser of the 42th order Warlock of the 42th order Beserker and Templar of the 23rd order

11-02-2005, 01:08 AM	#1
Myk General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 65	As far as I know, cheap shot is the only stun that we ever get, and we get it at level 6 like all the other scouts. I am level 50 now and am in the process of upgrading about 10 of my level 45-50 abilities to adept III. When I looked over all my abilities yesterday, I noticed that my cheap shot was still at app II. I bought a T1 rare for about 1 gold but couldn't find anyone to make me the adept III and then found the spell on broker for 20 gold. I bought it. Does anyone have any info on cheap shot at adept III? I know the ability is not quantifiable like a buff, dmg, or debuff spell, but is there anything to indicate that cheap shot at adept III is superior to lower versions of the ability? Is cheap shot resistable or can the stun wear off early due to a resist? If it is better, I encourage all scouts to upgrade it since it's super cheap to upgrade, especially if you can find someone to make it for you.

11-02-2005, 03:56 AM	#4
Myk General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 65	Well, I was just impatient and paid the 20 gold. As I mentioned in my original post, I bought the rare I needed (actually bought 3 for 1 gold each with the idea of having 3 made and giving the extras to scouts in my guild as stocking stuffers). The jeweler I usually hire to make my tier 5 adepts said she did not have the rare book needed to make tier 1 adept III's. I guess my point is that you should be able to upgrade cheap shot to adept III for just a few gold if you can find someone to make it for you. The rare should be very easy to come by on the broker for a cheap price. For an ability you will use regularly from level 6 to 60, I think it's well worth it and I wish I had upgraded earlier.

11-02-2005, 02:43 PM	#6
Myrddhinn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 84	We compared through our guild a few days ago : Swashy 38, Cheap Shot Ad. III : 5.5 s. Ranger 42, Cheap Shot Ad. III : 6.0 s. Ranger 51, Cheap Shot Ad. III : 7.0 s. Troubadour 53, Cheap Shot Ad. III : 7.0 s. We concluded the duration increased with the Level, not with the Quality. We are waiting for our Swashy to reach the next Tier to see if its duration increases to 6.0 s.

11-07-2005, 10:48 PM	#9
ForgottenFoundling Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 373	Both the upgraded Mez and Charm are resisted/break less often. I have Lullaby at adept 3 and our other troubie has it at master 1. His is rarely ever resisted (even when he was lower level than I...). I have a master charm that doesn't break as often as my adept 1 did. __________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Poofe Fromage the Fragrant - Erudite Troubadour 80 / Tailor 80 - Qeynos - ButcherBlock/Highkeep

11-16-2005, 04:47 PM	#10
Nydysean Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 41	My understanding is that it would be resisted or break less often. However, I cannot think of any time that my cheap shot was resisted. The closest thing to that is fighting in a group and so it acts more like an interupt them. However, I have noticed something. When using cheap shot solo, I can stun something that is either no arrows at all or down arrows (heroic or solo) and the stun will last for the duration no matter how many times I hit them. However, if it has up arrows forget about it. I just hope I can flank them intime to get a CA off. My cheap shot is still at apprentice1 so if one of you people out there with adept III want to see how well yours works on mobs with up arrows then I think it is there that we will see the difference in the upgrade. However, I do not know this for sure it is just a theory and needs to be tested.

11-16-2005, 08:25 PM	#11
Crombie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Rivervale Posts: 148	From my experience, Cheapshot adept 3 hasnt helped with the duration vs mobs with arrows. You can stun them for a duration if your attack is off, which gives you time to mez them if able (and if they arent hit). Besides that, I cant say there is much difference in the level of cheapshot vs heroic+ mobs. __________________

11-17-2005, 11:57 AM	#12
Nydysean Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 41	Yeah, that and I noticed today that the issue was something soe did with cheap shot and was not something that changed with upgrades. We are now supposed to be able to stun everything, except epic. I have not soloed since I found this out in order to test it.

11-24-2005, 02:53 AM	#13
Travesty General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 24	Ive upgraded my Cheap Shot to Adept III, with the hopes it may give a longer duration or less chance for resists, but from my experience it does not (just like the description says). I have noticed my stun more or less lands on my Everfrost writ mobs 99%+ of the time. I almost always get a back attack and my Bow CA in during that time. Hitting them during the battle does not break the Stun as it previously did before the a few updates ago (dont have to turn off ur auto-attack). If you sit in the mobs melee range, of course, he is gonna hit you (and appear as if it was broken). Nay-sayers can test this by stepping away and using one of your ranged attacks. =) With ^^ or ^^^ mobs in CT, they will not Stun them. I have seen intances where a ^^ will be stunned momentarily and just enough to get my back attack or ranged in, and have hit turn around or run to me. So, it will lead me to believe the arrows on the mob does directly affect the stun (resist factor). Good luck

11-24-2005, 05:22 PM	#14
Snublefot Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 208	My experience is that Cheap shot stuns in combat on no arrow and arrow down mobs. Arrow do get stunned, but it breaks on attack. Breaking attack and doing cheap shot add a spell icon to active spells that I never see on the mobs I actually stun. So my guess is that its two clearly diffrent effects based on mob arrows.Adept 3? Still hunting for the ink books __________________ Level 81 Troubador Level 71 Provisioner