We buff defense again!!

MorDeca · 09-03-2005, 01:33 AM

From todays Beta notes : "Where other Scouts receive stances, the Troubador/Dirge/Bard spell line that starts with Insatiable Ardor was changed to a group buff. Troubadors buff Defense, while Dirges buff Parry." Can someone please post a screenshot of this updated spell from beta?

Rampagious · 09-03-2005, 01:41 AM

sweet

Iseabeil · 09-03-2005, 01:50 AM

Message Edited by Iseabeil on 09-02-2005 02:54 PM

WorldsAway_Nybor · 09-03-2005, 02:10 AM

Wow, +12.1 at apprentice 1 :smileyindifferent:

Dra · 09-03-2005, 02:11 AM

What that also means is a Troubador and Dirge in the same group can stack their abilities. Good stuff. --Dratn

Keno · 09-03-2005, 02:39 AM

please dont compare this skillnumbers to what you know from live, cause you cant, dirges buff +24 parry at adpt1 with this buff (parry buffs are all higher now, because +1def is more worth than +1parry) and +4x at master1 with the lvl 60 one... all the skill buffs got raised and we first have to find out again how much is how good, but you certainly just cant compare this to live

MorDeca · 09-03-2005, 04:12 AM

Zarzu wrote:parry buffs are all higher now, because +1def is more worth than +1parry

Not according to Lockeye. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=6175 Edit: Made link clicky Edit: Bah nevermind, can't remember how to do it =/

Message Edited by MorDecaio on 09-02-2005 05:14 PM

Message Edited by MorDecaio on 09-02-2005 05:15 PM

Volka · 09-03-2005, 08:32 AM

MorDecaio wrote:
Zarzu wrote:parry buffs are all higher now, because +1def is more worth than +1parry
Not according to Lockeye. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=6175 Edit: Made link clicky Edit: Bah nevermind, can't remember how to do it =/
Message Edited by MorDecaio on 09-02-2005 05:14 PM
Message Edited by MorDecaio on 09-02-2005 05:15 PM

What Lockeye said does not correlate directly to the value of each point of parry compared to each point of defense. Read it again. What it *does* mean is that the *overall* amount of avoidance that the Dirge's buff gives (which is a higher actual value than the Troubador's) is higher in certain situations (obviously, when you're able to apply it to applicable classes in situations where they can perform parries). That doesn't mean that parry offers more avoidance per point, it means the Dirge's buff just raises parry that much more than the Troub's buff's Defense. Conversely, the Troubador's buff still affects the melee classes that have parry still, yet also buffs all other classes avoidance whether they can parry or not (read: casters).

Crombie · 09-03-2005, 10:54 AM

At master 1 Graceful Avoidance gives 22 defence, the same as master 1 Duststorm.

Even with these both together the overall affect isnt anything like it is on live atm. It is nice to buff defense tho.

~Halfling Troubador of Butcherblock~

WorldsAway_Nybor · 09-03-2005, 01:23 PM

So what of the defence cap? Things have changed again and again but I thought I read that this was one of the main things incoming - have they changed the effectiveness of defence to the point where a cap is not neccesary or will not be reached easily? Can a warden and troubadour now add +44 defence and still stack that with whatever a guardian can buff?

thorvang · 09-03-2005, 10:00 PM

there's a cap in avoidance at 80%. but it seems like the effect of defense to avoidance has been drastically lowered. i.e the avoidance of my lvl 55 troub raises by 2% (from 58% with +5 defense shield to 60%) with graceful avoidance ad3 (thats +19 defense)

Seth · 09-04-2005, 08:13 AM

defense in live server dont upgrade avoidance but decrease difference level between the NPC and the tank.

Sk · 09-04-2005, 11:28 AM

Woo!

Great news. It's good to see the devs are listening to our concerns.

Weizen Heimer · 09-14-2005, 07:50 AM

I got the Master II upgrade to Daelor's which is +15.8 to Def and it adds 7.5% to my avoidance when I cast it.

Snublefot · 09-14-2005, 01:01 PM

Merciless Melody and Daelors is the two Master 2 that will last into the 40s.

09-03-2005, 01:41 AM	#2
Rampagious Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 188	sweet __________________ Rampagious - Dissolution

09-03-2005, 01:50 AM	#3
Iseabeil Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 661	Message Edited by Iseabeil on 09-02-2005 02:54 PM __________________

09-03-2005, 02:10 AM	#4
WorldsAway_Nybor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 115	Wow, +12.1 at apprentice 1 :smileyindifferent: __________________ ------------------------------- Nybora Ceileir Returned Troubadour!

09-03-2005, 08:32 AM	#8
Volka Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 44	MorDecaio wrote: Zarzu wrote:parry buffs are all higher now, because +1def is more worth than +1parry Not according to Lockeye. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=6175 Edit: Made link clicky Edit: Bah nevermind, can't remember how to do it =/ Message Edited by MorDecaio on 09-02-2005 05:14 PM Message Edited by MorDecaio on 09-02-2005 05:15 PM What Lockeye said does not correlate directly to the value of each point of parry compared to each point of defense. Read it again. What it does mean is that the overall amount of avoidance that the Dirge's buff gives (which is a higher actual value than the Troubador's) is higher in certain situations (obviously, when you're able to apply it to applicable classes in situations where they can perform parries). That doesn't mean that parry offers more avoidance per point, it means the Dirge's buff just raises parry that much more than the Troub's buff's Defense. Conversely, the Troubador's buff still affects the melee classes that have parry still, yet also buffs all other classes avoidance whether they can parry or not (read: casters).

09-03-2005, 10:54 AM	#9
Crombie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Rivervale Posts: 148	At master 1 Graceful Avoidance gives 22 defence, the same as master 1 Duststorm. Even with these both together the overall affect isnt anything like it is on live atm. It is nice to buff defense tho. ~Halfling Troubador of Butcherblock~ __________________

09-03-2005, 01:33 AM	#1
MorDeca General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	From todays Beta notes : "Where other Scouts receive stances, the Troubador/Dirge/Bard spell line that starts with Insatiable Ardor was changed to a group buff. Troubadors buff Defense, while Dirges buff Parry." Can someone please post a screenshot of this updated spell from beta?

09-03-2005, 02:11 AM	#5
Dra Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 33	What that also means is a Troubador and Dirge in the same group can stack their abilities. Good stuff. --Dratn

09-03-2005, 02:39 AM	#6
Keno Server: Valor General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 391	please dont compare this skillnumbers to what you know from live, cause you cant, dirges buff +24 parry at adpt1 with this buff (parry buffs are all higher now, because +1def is more worth than +1parry) and +4x at master1 with the lvl 60 one... all the skill buffs got raised and we first have to find out again how much is how good, but you certainly just cant compare this to live

09-03-2005, 04:12 AM	#7
MorDeca General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	Zarzu wrote:parry buffs are all higher now, because +1def is more worth than +1parry Not according to Lockeye. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=6175 Edit: Made link clicky Edit: Bah nevermind, can't remember how to do it =/ Message Edited by MorDecaio on 09-02-2005 05:14 PM Message Edited by MorDecaio on 09-02-2005 05:15 PM

09-03-2005, 01:23 PM	#10
WorldsAway_Nybor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 115	So what of the defence cap? Things have changed again and again but I thought I read that this was one of the main things incoming - have they changed the effectiveness of defence to the point where a cap is not neccesary or will not be reached easily? Can a warden and troubadour now add +44 defence and still stack that with whatever a guardian can buff? __________________ ------------------------------- Nybora Ceileir Returned Troubadour!

09-03-2005, 10:00 PM	#11
thorvang Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 862	there's a cap in avoidance at 80%. but it seems like the effect of defense to avoidance has been drastically lowered. i.e the avoidance of my lvl 55 troub raises by 2% (from 58% with +5 defense shield to 60%) with graceful avoidance ad3 (thats +19 defense) __________________

09-04-2005, 08:13 AM	#12
Seth Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 75	defense in live server dont upgrade avoidance but decrease difference level between the NPC and the tank.

09-04-2005, 11:28 AM	#13
Sk Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 91	Woo! Great news. It's good to see the devs are listening to our concerns.

09-14-2005, 07:50 AM	#14
Weizen Heimer Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 83	I got the Master II upgrade to Daelor's which is +15.8 to Def and it adds 7.5% to my avoidance when I cast it. __________________ Whargoul DelVacio 61 Warlock of Befallen Weizen Heimer 61 Troubador of Befallen Magmorden 45 Swashbuckler of Befallen Phyrballz 70 Monk of Nagafen

09-14-2005, 01:01 PM	#15
Snublefot Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 208	Merciless Melody and Daelors is the two Master 2 that will last into the 40s. __________________ Level 81 Troubador Level 71 Provisioner