Brigand changes in LU#21

Handleba · 03-23-2006, 09:57 PM

Both direct changes and other things of note:- Rogue: Formation's health increase percentage has been corrected.- Rogue: Lunge Reversal is now a toggled ability that refreshes itself automatically.- Rogue: Pick Pocket now has greater variances in the coin reward, had its reuse timer reduced to 30 seconds, has an increased chance of success, will not attempt to cast on a target that has already been pick pocketed, and the taunt effect now scales with level.- Fighter and scout classes will now turn on auto-attack when casting damage spells (in the same way this occurs when casting damage arts).- When you evac, creature hate will be wiped before you transport to the new location so they will no longer chase you after the evac.Brigand- Double Up now makes use of the quality tier of the duplicated spell. Upgrades to Double Up improve its overall effectiveness, and using upgraded versions of duplicated spells will allow abilities of the same line to be used.- Amazing Reflexes will not automatically remove itself when damage is received. Instead, the AOE avoidance effect is disabled for 30 seconds.I have posted the full notes in both the Befallen Forums and the In Testing Feedback forum also.

Message Edited by Handlebars on 03-23-200608:58 AM

Anoixia · 03-23-2006, 10:34 PM

I am very happy about the Lunge Reversal change :smileyvery-happy:

Sete Soujiro · 03-23-2006, 10:38 PM

Does that mean that lunge reversal will always be up?

Anoixia · 03-23-2006, 10:50 PM

Sete Soujiro wrote:
Does that mean that lunge reversal will always be up?

yes and no, after it triggers it will automatically recast itself when the timer comes back up so you do not have to keep doing it yourself is how I interperate it.

kyth · 03-23-2006, 11:52 PM

Double up is STILL using t6 instead of t7 skills. Atleast now when using Double up + Restrain, subdue will actually hit...

Wisr · 03-23-2006, 11:57 PM

I'm still at work so I can't log in to check this, but is there a visual indicator when the AE avoidance effect is disabled?

Metran · 03-24-2006, 12:04 AM

kythik wrote: Double up is STILL using t6 instead of t7 skills. Atleast now when using Double up + Restrain, subdue will actually hit...

Did a bit of testing of double up using T7 skills Restrain, Malicious Assault, Underground Negociation. I don't have the patience to kill the same grey mob over and over again to get definite conclusions, but here's what appears to be happening:

T7 skill doubled takes the effectiveness of your T6 skill.

Example: if your T6 skill is at adept I quality it will look like this

Restrain + Subdue Adept I (even if your double up is master quality)

T6 Skill doubled takes on the effectiveness of your double up.

Dispatch + Dispatch(at the quality of your double up).

As I said, this was only initial testing as I don't have the patience to really test stuff in detail, but that's what appears to be going on.

Handleba · 03-24-2006, 12:04 AM

Screw that, someone tell me how much we pickpocket for now!

Metran · 03-24-2006, 12:05 AM

Wisren wrote:
I'm still at work so I can't log in to check this, but is there a visual indicator when the AE avoidance effect is disabled?

You get a red indicator in your spell effects window indicating that the avoid AE is off.

Xri · 03-24-2006, 12:39 AM

Handlebars wrote:
Both direct changes and other things of note:- Rogue: Formation's health increase percentage has been corrected.- Rogue: Lunge Reversal is now a toggled ability that refreshes itself automatically.- Rogue: Pick Pocket now has greater variances in the coin reward, had its reuse timer reduced to 30 seconds, has an increased chance of success, will not attempt to cast on a target that has already been pick pocketed, and the taunt effect now scales with level.- Fighter and scout classes will now turn on auto-attack when casting damage spells (in the same way this occurs when casting damage arts).- When you evac, creature hate will be wiped before you transport to the new location so they will no longer chase you after the evac.Brigand- Double Up now makes use of the quality tier of the duplicated spell. Upgrades to Double Up improve its overall effectiveness, and using upgraded versions of duplicated spells will allow abilities of the same line to be used.- Amazing Reflexes will not automatically remove itself when damage is received. Instead, the AOE avoidance effect is disabled for 30 seconds.I have posted the full notes in both the Befallen Forums and the In Testing Feedback forum also.
Message Edited by Handlebars on 03-23-200608:58 AM

Missed this one listed under Tradeskills:

- Level 60-70 poisons will now have the appropriate icons when they land on an NPC.

Atrocity · 03-24-2006, 12:43 AM

After very very brief testing, it appears that caress feedback style damage shields no longer break AR./rejoice

PritchMR · 03-24-2006, 01:43 AM

so put Lunge Reversal and try to sneak through the hive.... lots of fun for me at least it seemed to be droping my sneak every like 20sec or so.... someone else check and see about it too but that is what was going on with me

ag · 03-24-2006, 01:44 AM

Atrocity wrote:After very very brief testing, it appears that caress feedback style damage shields no longer break AR./rejoice

Woah.

NoxTyr · 03-24-2006, 02:02 AM

That's... That's... That can't be right. That's gotta be a bug or something.

Atrocity · 03-24-2006, 03:26 AM

Best live update ever

Omido · 03-24-2006, 05:03 AM

I dueled a Fury with his Thornskin.. and it did not break AR either.. lets hope this is intentional!!!

Aral · 03-24-2006, 09:25 AM

hot diggity

While I'd love to have the T7 skills doubled up, I can live with this solution. AR is our "last forever" skill... we just happened to get 2 that will become obsolete over time. Sure some classes had 2 that will work at full power forever, but that's ok, we now pickpocket more. :robotvery-happy:

NemaLVey · 03-24-2006, 10:50 AM

ShOosh! Speak of this no further.... working as intended.

Carna · 03-24-2006, 04:02 PM

Working as intended.... over there *points* look! A naked Wood-Elf chica!

DarkMirrax · 03-24-2006, 04:31 PM

ROFL , ACTAULLY REMOVE POST ASAP LOL

Nah im sure its intended , wouldnt make sence for it to drop because of shielding .... does it still break with manastone ??

HoD · 03-24-2006, 05:12 PM

Maybe now Pick pocket will help us out enough so we can buy our own hamburgers, rather than steal other people's.

Seriously, these are great changes for Brigands! Especially those of us who have a hard time remembering to recast Lunge reversal every 20 seconds =)

AratornCalahn · 03-24-2006, 06:50 PM

Carnagh wrote:
Working as intended.... over there *points* look! A naked Wood-Elf chica!

*Runs off*

Kegofbud · 03-24-2006, 08:23 PM

Great news if this is true. Are you sure it wasn't just showing as up, but suspended now that it doesn't fully drop off with damage taken? Maybe the icon stays up, but the effect is suspended for the 30 sec and we can't tell?

- Also, dueling Furies/Wardens always makes me laugh when they start the fight prep with Thorns and HoT...they just have no clue what's coming when you stun - taunt. I get great joy out of hearing them ask where their buffs went.

Message Edited by Kegofbud on 03-24-200607:25 AM

NoxTyr · 03-24-2006, 09:29 PM

Nah im sure its intended , wouldnt make sence for it to drop because of shielding .... does it still break with manastone ??

It never broke with manastone. It does however break with the Vessel.

DarkMirrax · 03-24-2006, 09:40 PM

NoxTyrus wrote:
Nah im sure its intended , wouldnt make sence for it to drop because of shielding .... does it still break with manastone ??

It never broke with manastone. It does however break with the Vessel.

ohhhhh great news .... manastone ... now need to fix the vessel

Lyasa · 03-25-2006, 09:48 PM

ayuh!AR wasn't breaking last night when fighting SK's in sanctum....i'm excited....

03-23-2006, 09:57 PM	#1
Handleba Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 451	Both direct changes and other things of note:- Rogue: Formation's health increase percentage has been corrected.- Rogue: Lunge Reversal is now a toggled ability that refreshes itself automatically.- Rogue: Pick Pocket now has greater variances in the coin reward, had its reuse timer reduced to 30 seconds, has an increased chance of success, will not attempt to cast on a target that has already been pick pocketed, and the taunt effect now scales with level.- Fighter and scout classes will now turn on auto-attack when casting damage spells (in the same way this occurs when casting damage arts).- When you evac, creature hate will be wiped before you transport to the new location so they will no longer chase you after the evac.Brigand- Double Up now makes use of the quality tier of the duplicated spell. Upgrades to Double Up improve its overall effectiveness, and using upgraded versions of duplicated spells will allow abilities of the same line to be used.- Amazing Reflexes will not automatically remove itself when damage is received. Instead, the AOE avoidance effect is disabled for 30 seconds.I have posted the full notes in both the Befallen Forums and the In Testing Feedback forum also. Message Edited by Handlebars on 03-23-200608:58 AM __________________ Shadoweyz of The Rallosian Guard Level 70 Brigand Befallen Server I always edit for content, not grammar!

03-23-2006, 10:38 PM	#3
Sete Soujiro Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 93	Does that mean that lunge reversal will always be up? __________________ Sete Vagabonds - Unrest

03-23-2006, 10:50 PM	#4
Anoixia Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 103	Sete Soujiro wrote: Does that mean that lunge reversal will always be up? yes and no, after it triggers it will automatically recast itself when the timer comes back up so you do not have to keep doing it yourself is how I interperate it.

03-23-2006, 11:52 PM	#5
kyth General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 493	Double up is STILL using t6 instead of t7 skills. Atleast now when using Double up + Restrain, subdue will actually hit... __________________

03-24-2006, 12:04 AM	#7
Metran Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 49	kythik wrote: Double up is STILL using t6 instead of t7 skills. Atleast now when using Double up + Restrain, subdue will actually hit... Did a bit of testing of double up using T7 skills Restrain, Malicious Assault, Underground Negociation. I don't have the patience to kill the same grey mob over and over again to get definite conclusions, but here's what appears to be happening: T7 skill doubled takes the effectiveness of your T6 skill. Example: if your T6 skill is at adept I quality it will look like this Restrain + Subdue Adept I (even if your double up is master quality) T6 Skill doubled takes on the effectiveness of your double up. Dispatch + Dispatch(at the quality of your double up). As I said, this was only initial testing as I don't have the patience to really test stuff in detail, but that's what appears to be going on. __________________ Metran

03-23-2006, 10:34 PM	#2
Anoixia Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 103	I am very happy about the Lunge Reversal change :smileyvery-happy:

03-23-2006, 11:57 PM	#6
Wisr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 45	I'm still at work so I can't log in to check this, but is there a visual indicator when the AE avoidance effect is disabled?

03-24-2006, 12:05 AM	#9
Metran Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 49	Wisren wrote: I'm still at work so I can't log in to check this, but is there a visual indicator when the AE avoidance effect is disabled? You get a red indicator in your spell effects window indicating that the avoid AE is off. __________________ Metran

03-24-2006, 12:39 AM	#10
Xri General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 104	Handlebars wrote: Both direct changes and other things of note:- Rogue: Formation's health increase percentage has been corrected.- Rogue: Lunge Reversal is now a toggled ability that refreshes itself automatically.- Rogue: Pick Pocket now has greater variances in the coin reward, had its reuse timer reduced to 30 seconds, has an increased chance of success, will not attempt to cast on a target that has already been pick pocketed, and the taunt effect now scales with level.- Fighter and scout classes will now turn on auto-attack when casting damage spells (in the same way this occurs when casting damage arts).- When you evac, creature hate will be wiped before you transport to the new location so they will no longer chase you after the evac.Brigand- Double Up now makes use of the quality tier of the duplicated spell. Upgrades to Double Up improve its overall effectiveness, and using upgraded versions of duplicated spells will allow abilities of the same line to be used.- Amazing Reflexes will not automatically remove itself when damage is received. Instead, the AOE avoidance effect is disabled for 30 seconds.I have posted the full notes in both the Befallen Forums and the In Testing Feedback forum also. Message Edited by Handlebars on 03-23-200608:58 AM Missed this one listed under Tradeskills: - Level 60-70 poisons will now have the appropriate icons when they land on an NPC. __________________ Xrist, Brigand of the Shard

03-24-2006, 12:43 AM	#11
Atrocity Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 120	After very very brief testing, it appears that caress feedback style damage shields no longer break AR./rejoice

03-24-2006, 01:43 AM	#12
PritchMR Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 40	so put Lunge Reversal and try to sneak through the hive.... lots of fun for me at least it seemed to be droping my sneak every like 20sec or so.... someone else check and see about it too but that is what was going on with me __________________

03-24-2006, 01:44 AM	#13
ag General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 851	Atrocity wrote:After very very brief testing, it appears that caress feedback style damage shields no longer break AR./rejoice Woah. __________________ 70 Brigand, 70 Coercer, 60 Bruiser, 50 Inquisitor 70 Alchemist, 70 Armorer, 70 Carpenter, 70 Provisioner, 40 Jeweler, 350 Tinkerer

03-24-2006, 02:02 AM	#14
NoxTyr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	That's... That's... That can't be right. That's gotta be a bug or something. __________________ Emikandi Born on 11/9/2004 70 Brigand of Amend Blackburrow

03-24-2006, 03:26 AM	#15
Atrocity Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 120	Best live update ever

03-24-2006, 05:03 AM	#16
Omido Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	I dueled a Fury with his Thornskin.. and it did not break AR either.. lets hope this is intentional!!! __________________

03-24-2006, 09:25 AM	#17
Aral General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 381	hot diggity While I'd love to have the T7 skills doubled up, I can live with this solution. AR is our "last forever" skill... we just happened to get 2 that will become obsolete over time. Sure some classes had 2 that will work at full power forever, but that's ok, we now pickpocket more. :robotvery-happy:

03-24-2006, 10:50 AM	#18
NemaLVey Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 154	ShOosh! Speak of this no further.... working as intended.

03-24-2006, 04:02 PM	#19
Carna Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 515	Working as intended.... over there points look! A naked Wood-Elf chica!

03-24-2006, 04:31 PM	#20
DarkMirrax Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,238	ROFL , ACTAULLY REMOVE POST ASAP LOL Nah im sure its intended , wouldnt make sence for it to drop because of shielding .... does it still break with manastone ?? __________________ Q - Named and epics get + to hit which makes avoidance tanking suck. A- Yes they do, and yes it does =========================== Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard Game Designer, EverQuest II ... Whats Amazing Reflexes ?? ....... ===========================

03-24-2006, 05:12 PM	#21
HoD Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21	Maybe now Pick pocket will help us out enough so we can buy our own hamburgers, rather than steal other people's. Seriously, these are great changes for Brigands! Especially those of us who have a hard time remembering to recast Lunge reversal every 20 seconds =) __________________ I wish the word "nerf" were only a reference to foam darts =(

03-24-2006, 06:50 PM	#22
AratornCalahn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 548	Carnagh wrote: Working as intended.... over there points look! A naked Wood-Elf chica! Runs off __________________ Aratorn Not 80 but bored Brigand Runnyeye "The lack of pole-dancing-elf craftable items for houses is disapointing..."

03-24-2006, 08:23 PM	#23
Kegofbud Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 925	Great news if this is true. Are you sure it wasn't just showing as up, but suspended now that it doesn't fully drop off with damage taken? Maybe the icon stays up, but the effect is suspended for the 30 sec and we can't tell? - Also, dueling Furies/Wardens always makes me laugh when they start the fight prep with Thorns and HoT...they just have no clue what's coming when you stun - taunt. I get great joy out of hearing them ask where their buffs went. Message Edited by Kegofbud on 03-24-200607:25 AM __________________ Choatly - 90 Defiler

03-24-2006, 09:29 PM	#24
NoxTyr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	Nah im sure its intended , wouldnt make sence for it to drop because of shielding .... does it still break with manastone ?? It never broke with manastone. It does however break with the Vessel. __________________ Emikandi Born on 11/9/2004 70 Brigand of Amend Blackburrow

03-24-2006, 09:40 PM	#25
DarkMirrax Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,238	NoxTyrus wrote: Nah im sure its intended , wouldnt make sence for it to drop because of shielding .... does it still break with manastone ?? It never broke with manastone. It does however break with the Vessel. ohhhhh great news .... manastone ... now need to fix the vessel __________________ Q - Named and epics get + to hit which makes avoidance tanking suck. A- Yes they do, and yes it does =========================== Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard Game Designer, EverQuest II ... Whats Amazing Reflexes ?? ....... ===========================

03-25-2006, 09:48 PM	#26
Lyasa Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 234	ayuh!AR wasn't breaking last night when fighting SK's in sanctum....i'm excited....