The Coming War? 4 Horseman

[AbsentmindedMage]

It has been awhile (January as far as I could tell with a search ) since there was a topic on the image that supposedly depicts the future history of Norrath. which is a modified version of: From what I have read one way the image can be interpreted is that it depicts Veeshan(center) being held in check(symbolized by the circle) by an alliance between Tunare, Brell, and Prexus.  Then you have the 4 gods(harbingers of what could happen if the veil is lifted?) going clockwise from upper left:  Innoruuk (hate), Cazic-Thule (fear),  Bertoxxulous (disease/pestilence), and Rallos Zek (War).    Looking through the internet the image is linked to the Prophecy of Tarkanon but I couldnt tell if that was something from the original everquest or if it was fan fiction.   Is there anything in the lore that would suggest that Veeshan is being held captive or in check by Tunare, Brell, and Prexus.  And if there is, why wouldnt Quellious or the Marr twins also be apart of that pact? In the new image which depicts the direction of the game lore, it is the same image except you have two additional symbols.   The eye(possibly representing the Awakened) which seems to be breaching the circle (breaking through the veil) towards Veeshan.  And the other circular symbol at the bottom which appears empty(difficult to tell) and looks like it is actually fragmenting the tablet. In any case, the 4 gods shown in big symbols on the outside of the tablet will have all returned to influence Norrath once the expansion for Kunark is out. As I was typing this it occurred to me that there might be another way to interpret the symbols.  You have Veeshan (air), Brell (earth), Prexus (water), and Tunare (nature) in the center which are all components required for life surrounded by the 4 things that can damage or destroy life: hate, fear, disease, and war.  In that case, the circle might represent Norrath.  The eye touching the circle could mean the Awakened returns to Norrath.

[Cusashorn]

The Prophecy of Trakanon = COMPLETE FANFICTION. Do not believe a single word of it.

The symbol itself has been found around Everquest since it's Alpha days. Whatever lore the symbols are suppose to mean are either debunked or just not uncovered yet....

However... Please take a look at this Chelsith Cloak that will become available with Legends of Norrath:

http://legendsofnorrath.station.son...lsith_cloak.jpg

Yeah.... Seems that symbol may or may not have something to do with the Shissar.

[Mary the Prophetess]

Absent,

I, for one, am of the mind that there is something more to this symbol than mere decoration.  I like your interpretation, and if it is not in the game as such, then I would encourage the those designers charged with lore to seriously consider sanctioning it and making it official; perhaps even developing that story line as their schedule and interest permits.

I seem to remember a thread some time back that had an extensive discussion on this.  Could you link it if you know?

[AbsentmindedMage]

Mary the Prophetess wrote:

Absent,

I, for one, am of the mind that there is something more to this symbol than mere decoration.  I like your interpretation, and if it is not in the game as such, then I would encourage the those designers charged with lore to seriously consider sanctioning it and making it official; perhaps even developing that story line as their schedule and interest permits.

I seem to remember a thread some time back that had an extensive discussion on this.  Could you link it if you know?

This was the last big thread I could find that discussed it.   http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=187608 I am still rather curious about that circle at the bottom.  It looks empty. 

[Mary the Prophetess]

The bottom circle seems to have cracks, (or energy bolts), emminating from it.

[Celline-Layonaire]

"4 Horseman" >> It reminds me of the game 'Summoner', produced by Volition Inc. (published by THQ)

There were in-game bosses so-called 'Four riders' equipped with japanese armor if I remember correctly.

(sorry for the off-topic reply  )

[Cusashorn]

Mary the Prophetess wrote:

The bottom circle seems to have cracks, (or energy bolts), emminating from it.

Cracks in the Stone slab the whole thing is made out of. You can see the same cracks in all the other rings. They're part of the stone slab, not the rune.

[Samora]

Vhalen said that this is the key to destiny. The pictures context reads "The future of Everquest II" So this picture is a hint of things to come. I believe that the Center is representing Innoruuk and the Teir'Dal Empire. Because theyr symbol for Innoruuk looks similar to this and it's found all over Neriak and other Teir'Dal places. Pictures of Innoruuk's true form shows a draconic like figure with horns so the fact that this center image looks like a dragon doesn't make it less a chance for it to be Innoruuk. This might be telling us that the Teir'Dal will expand they'r dominion and eventually take a good grip over all Norrath. The good gods depicted in the rings in the inner circle are the good gods and they'r followers trying to stop and fight against the rise of the Teir'Dal empire. The circle it self represents Norrath. De symbols outside of the circle represent the gods while influencing Norrath are not directly there. The empty ring represents and unknown deity/god that is approaching Norrath, but we arn't suppose to know what. Therefore its mark is removed. I first thought the ring with the eye represented Veeshan because of all the similar Eye drawings in Draconic places througout EQ1. Places with followers of Veeshan. Then i read the following which made allot of sense to me Crombie wrote in http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=187608 : "I can't seem to shake the idea that perhaps the Eye symbol on the image is something other than veeshan ... though there are similarities in other findings.  The way the eye seems to devour a portion of the original set of symbols almost makes me think its trying to make its place in the greatness of the gods creations... or perhaps disrupt the ballance.  The symbol itself being an eye would also persuade me to think it stands for one thing, The Awakened... formally known as The Sleeper.  The Awakened is talked about throughout Kingdom of Sky, and directly in the Claymore quest line. which would bring up a series of other question (a sword of great power in possesion by The Awakened? omg)  The Dragon Banners with the Eye symbol, as posted previously, hang from the walls of places where Droags reside(The followers of The Awakened).  Perhaps the Awakened has more of a hand to play in the world of Norrath, signifying the chunk of the inner circle it seems to have voided out. /shrugs just a thought" I think i agree with Crombie's theory. This was my thoughts This whole thing is very interesting and i hope you all continue the speculations until we find and definite answer, hehe. ---- Mr.Blackmore

[zerfall]

Cusashorn wrote:

Mary the Prophetess wrote:

The bottom circle seems to have cracks, (or energy bolts), emminating from it.

Cracks in the Stone slab the whole thing is made out of. You can see the same cracks in all the other rings. They're part of the stone slab, not the rune.

However, that one rune has more and greater cracks than any other rune on the slab.  Part of me agrees with you and thinks they're nothing more than just residual cracks from the rune being "stamped", but another part of me wonders if there is something more to it, ie. a sundering of the whole. Is that one really empty?  It looks like a fainter version of the upper left rune if you look closely, but it could be residual from a rune removed from the slab, which also may account for the larger cracks if the removal of the rune compromised the slab.

[Vollux]

Here are some close up shots of the 'new' glyphs on the seal.  Jennivere supplied them originally.

 missing? swords crosseds?

eye?:

tree branch?

I see bones in this one:

and either a footprint or bird here LOL: 

I still think the seal and the runes on it are vital to Norraths future.

I think some of the old thread got renumbered that is why the links don't work.  I remember the ones that dealt with symbol were the Spiral of Bristlebane and Tier'Dal on Faydwer?  Since they are old threads there are broken image links naturally but Jindrack and Vhalen's comments are still there.

[Kindayr]

I think this is the fifth or sixth time i've said this but: The image, imho, is the Stone of Shissar. i've explained it terribly in the Lore-ish Fan Faire thread, and Rapha's Throne thread, aswell as the RoK Combine thread. I have proof too, no one seems to be listening >.<

[Cusashorn]

Kindayr wrote:

I think this is the fifth or sixth time i've said this but: The image, imho, is the Stone of Shissar. i've explained it terribly in the Lore-ish Fan Faire thread, and Rapha's Throne thread, aswell as the RoK Combine thread. I have proof too, no one seems to be listening >.<

Again, look at the Cloak of Chelsith I posted earlier in the thread.

Chelsith = The name of the Shissar capital on Kunark. Look what's on the cloak. I'm starting to agree that this will be Shissar related.

[evhallion]

Cusashorn wrote:

Kindayr wrote:

I think this is the fifth or sixth time i've said this but: The image, imho, is the Stone of Shissar. i've explained it terribly in the Lore-ish Fan Faire thread, and Rapha's Throne thread, aswell as the RoK Combine thread. I have proof too, no one seems to be listening >.<

Again, look at the Cloak of Chelsith I posted earlier in the thread.

Chelsith = The name of the Shissar capital on Kunark. Look what's on the cloak. I'm starting to agree that this will be Shissar related.

Yes the cloak has the symbol on it, but what makes that any more signifigant than anything else the symbol apears on?

[Kindayr]

Sarafan@The Bazaar wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:

Kindayr wrote:

I think this is the fifth or sixth time i've said this but: The image, imho, is the Stone of Shissar. i've explained it terribly in the Lore-ish Fan Faire thread, and Rapha's Throne thread, aswell as the RoK Combine thread. I have proof too, no one seems to be listening >.<

Again, look at the Cloak of Chelsith I posted earlier in the thread.

Chelsith = The name of the Shissar capital on Kunark. Look what's on the cloak. I'm starting to agree that this will be Shissar related.

Yes the cloak has the symbol on it, but what makes that any more signifigant than anything else the symbol apears on?

There are other forums where i've attempted to interpret it for everyone. Its a mix of the Stone of Shissar, The Cloak of Chelsith, the description of sertain Runes (such as Etherene and Sunder), and just pure assumption.

[Drager]

 Ok this is my perspective... being a serios void junkie i have to say this  i belive that what is inside to circle is norath the cirlce represents the divine influcene of the gods. each of the circles on norath represents another oblisk or incursion point of the void. now the shadow men were able to acess norath because of the shattering they slowly crept in when there were no gods to protect us. now the gods have returned and are stoping the void from further penitrating noraths plane. also a bit of lore strait for the game obiliskes are made out of a material that absorbs energy and then realeases it violently... this will explian the large cracks in all of the rings placed on norath the last ring the one far off with the huge cracks is the voids straong hold or the void itself(anyone could have put those rings in with out damaging the tablte)....but to me the face in the center reminds me of a nightblood(another void beast for those of you who dont know) 

[Siogai]

There were obelisks and Shadowed Men in EQ1, too, and that big Doom Bunny symbol was all over Neriak and Faydwer... probably elsewhere, too, but I can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head. We had Shadowed Men all over the place in EQ1 before the gods withdrew so... I don't think so.

[Drager]

remember the story of Zebuxoruk and how they were in a place beyond time when the world split it created different noraths so useing the lore and legends books i figured out that the nightbloods being a product of the void apeared up to 300 years ago now you may have had shadow men in eq1 but using SOE's own loop hole i have just proved this plosible.

[Kalem]

I'll agree with those that say it has to do with the Shissar.  They were bad [Removed for Content] snakes.  I wouldn't doubt that we'll see them again...perhaps in Kunark.

[Drager]

srry shissar i apolgize for my noodism but what is a shissar? lol noob not nood

[Mirander_1]

Shissar were a race of snake-men that originally lived on Kunark.  They had enslaved the Iksar during their early history, created the teleportation spires (such as the one in Greater Faydark), and I think they were also the creators of necromancy.   They eventually ticked off the god Cazic Thule, who sent down the Greenmist to kill off the Shissar.  It destroyed most of their empire, but a small number of Shissar managed to teleport to the moon Luclin, and thus escape the mist.  They then lived on Luclin, keeping largely to themselves, until the moon was blown up a few years before the time where EQ2 started. That's the Shissar in a nutshell

[Drager]

sry this is really off topic.......... or is it(slowly looks left then right) how did the moon blow up any way...........really wasent much of a lore guy for the last 4 years so this would be really helpful nd if you say the shattering then tell me why that happened and dont just say that they gods left... because really there is a story about why the moon blew up and the world split apart i know it happened but i dont know why

[Cusashorn]

Drager@Nektulos wrote:

because really there is a story about why the moon blew up and the world split apart i know it happened but i dont know why

Neither do we. We don't know why Luclin blew up 15-20 years ago (not even the exact number of years is specified). We have much to speculate the cause of it though.

[Drager]

fing eathlings think the rule all of the universes they go and blow up our moon with thier technology? curse u earth CURSE U well we dont need technology we have magic wow back on track i think why the continents split was a cause of the moon breaking apart i mean look at how much inpact our moon has on earth if the moon was destroyed let alone blown up there would be a huge magnetic explosion coming from the former moon let alone tides changing and stuff well anyway i agree with the people who talk about the snake guys.... even though i still think this has to do with the void ....which is my end all solution for everything now

[Mirander_1]

Well, the Rending was when a series of large earthquakes caused large sections of the Underfoot (the series of caverns and tunnels that criss cross the entire world) to collapse, especially under the continent of old Antonica.  The collapse of the caverns caused the surface above to drop, and the sea water poured in, creating all the new oceans between the islands of the Shattered Lands. As for the Shattering (destruction of Luclin), there's a few theories.  Nagafen and Darathar both say that Kerafym destroyed it; the Tome of Destiny lore kinda suggested that Solusek Ro's doomsday weapon, the Dresolisk gem, may have been the cause; and recently, the events in the Tunarian Throne Room suggest that is was destroyed by a magic symbol called the Rune of Sunder (which is, in turn, connected to the Shissar). So that explains the 'how', but we don't know the 'why' of it.  The Rending was probably the direct intervention of the gods, but even then, it could very well be something else.

[Cusashorn]

The continents split apart during the Rending, which was directly caused by the withdrawal of the gods. The Rending happened between years ~200-450 of the last 500 years. The Shattering of Luclin happened within the last 15-20 years (again, nobody on Norrath even knows when it happened, since nobody talks about it.)

[Drager]

[I cannot control my vocabulary] and i was so close still F U Earth hey mirander i still like my idea better if they have 5 different ways teh moon was desrtoyed i say earth did it with thier intergalatic space ships and thier aliance with the shadow men who let them pass between all planes or universues or what ever......yes it was the shadow men who helped the earthlings to desrtoy our moon [Removed for Content] shadow men