Are Conjurors better at DPS?

Odium · 11-05-2006, 01:50 PM

Im a strong supporter of the Necromancer...after all, I am one SMILEY

AND.....I think we are one of the better classes but at lvl 68 and having at my disposal a nifty parser, Ive been wondering if the diferences between us and Conj is more than pet deep. I often group with a conj, that granted is 2 lvls above me, but Ive noticed this accross the board - I always seem to be out DPSd by a conj. All my spells are Adept III, and I have Master 1 TP, Master 1 Awaken grave, Master I Howl of the dammed and Master II Abate Life. Pets are also Adept III, except Tank which is Master I. I consider myself reasonably good, so I dont think its a skill issue. I thought perhaps it was the conj AOE ability that gives them the DPS edge, but their spells in general just seem to do more damage and the pets - well, those definitly seem better. Perhaps Im just working with a few Conj that have alot of good stuff and pet buffs, etc. I dont know. But Id have expected more out of my Necro by lvl 68. I had a group tonight in Nest of Great Egg - 4 of us, all 70 except me. My DPS was ...well.....less than ideal (except for the last guy when I fired up undead tide...MUUHAAAAA). Now I put alot on that on the very quick fights - mobs dropped very fast and we necro's do better over the long haul. Still, Seems to me that the Conj, in general, does more DPS. Its almost as if the latest round of Nerfs hit us harder than them or something - didnt really notice the difference untill recently - say the last 5 lvls or so. Course, It may all be in my head. Speaking of.....we had a beserker in our group...how the hell do they get to out DPS a lvl 70, well equipped Conj ( and their pet, combined)? Always seems odd to me...magic versus fists...how do fists possibly win SMILEY

Nej · 11-07-2006, 03:01 PM

well the easy answer is .. NO! Baaad boy for thinking that a conj ([Removed for Content]) can out dps a necro.

necros are the offensive answer to the summoners (just like all other evil classes).

i see why you have your doubts when a conj launches blazing on his pet doing about 2k instantly with a recast on 30 secs tho

also for pvp the conj got knockbacks wich can really [Removed for Content] everyone off.

but see this from my side.. when i fire my 2 AE attacks: Infernal cloud 1k and the one from Drawing of souls (52 spell) 900 an with Lich 176- with the chance to rpoc with theese http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/GrizzfazzlesWalkingStick.php + Mystical Orb of the Invoker (proc also 10% and about same dmg amount. not to mention Abate Life.

Then if i am against a full encounter ( SMILEY

well .. you do the maths 8 x 1000 + 8 x 900 + 8 x 176 + the chance for the proc to proc :O = Conjs GO HOME!

The conj dps is divided like this - pet 80% caster 20% since he only got a few spells that can harm a mob unlike the necro that only got dmg spells.

you cant compare a a necro scout vs a conj scout because of his blazing.

but necro mage vs conj mage = most dmg from necros pet and as a plus side it got 2 heals too.

im not very sure about the tank pet but without blazing the conj figther is toasted SMILEY

hope this will help you m8

katshimoto · 11-07-2006, 08:32 PM

I agree that we necros can outdps conjs, especially long fights like raid mobs.and our scout pet is better dps pet than conj's one.. that's what im using anyway, as master1... at same time their mage pet is better than our mage petalso, conjs are better than us in group encounters for sure, if short fights, their dps even greater, we are better in single mobs, long fights. But anway, it's alot depends on players too, on how good you play your class.. :smileywink:

Odium · 11-07-2006, 08:39 PM

I managed to get into some instances and high level zones last night. We had a LVL 70 Conj there too. Will say that the Parse showed my DPS quite reasonable. I was typically third behind the Conj and a Bererker I think. I managed to get into 2nd place a time or two and managed a DPS high of 704. Ive actually managed DPS high of 1400 but that was with Undead tide, against a green heroic, with mutiple corpses lying around and I was mentored from 67 to 45 SMILEY . Ive no idea if 704 DPS is good for a lvl 68, my average was more like 550 - 600. Still. I think what Im dealing with here is just some short fights against blue con mobs that make my DPS look less due to the quick fight.

Peraud · 11-08-2006, 03:01 AM

half of the time in an instance group i'll only have the chance to send pet in and get abate life off... but on Raids i'm parsing a steady 1200+dps each fight. I'm willing to bet that in instance groups (save the boss fights) i'm probably only parsing 700-800. not sure about that though. When ever i unleashe UT on a raid mob i'm easily up at the 2000+dps. ^_^ I'd like to think that is good DPS. but, i'm sure that once my guild gets a steady brigand and our Troubadore catches up with us (he is only lvl 60, so we basically use him for the mage buffs) it will go up a little more. As far as conjuror's are concerned, not sure though, they can't even touch my dps in our raids, but this could be due to a gap in player skill, spell quality (i'm pretty much mastered out, but if i recall corectly so is our conjuror), and pet choice along with AA lines.hope this helped... probably not, but oh well. -Trinaka70 Necromancer (Oasis)Guild Officer - Smoke

Colossaltitan · 11-08-2006, 05:30 AM

In AOE, yes.
On Single Target, no.

11-05-2006, 01:50 PM	#1
Odium Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 79	Im a strong supporter of the Necromancer...after all, I am one AND.....I think we are one of the better classes but at lvl 68 and having at my disposal a nifty parser, Ive been wondering if the diferences between us and Conj is more than pet deep. I often group with a conj, that granted is 2 lvls above me, but Ive noticed this accross the board - I always seem to be out DPSd by a conj. All my spells are Adept III, and I have Master 1 TP, Master 1 Awaken grave, Master I Howl of the dammed and Master II Abate Life. Pets are also Adept III, except Tank which is Master I. I consider myself reasonably good, so I dont think its a skill issue. I thought perhaps it was the conj AOE ability that gives them the DPS edge, but their spells in general just seem to do more damage and the pets - well, those definitly seem better. Perhaps Im just working with a few Conj that have alot of good stuff and pet buffs, etc. I dont know. But Id have expected more out of my Necro by lvl 68. I had a group tonight in Nest of Great Egg - 4 of us, all 70 except me. My DPS was ...well.....less than ideal (except for the last guy when I fired up undead tide...MUUHAAAAA). Now I put alot on that on the very quick fights - mobs dropped very fast and we necro's do better over the long haul. Still, Seems to me that the Conj, in general, does more DPS. Its almost as if the latest round of Nerfs hit us harder than them or something - didnt really notice the difference untill recently - say the last 5 lvls or so. Course, It may all be in my head. Speaking of.....we had a beserker in our group...how the hell do they get to out DPS a lvl 70, well equipped Conj ( and their pet, combined)? Always seems odd to me...magic versus fists...how do fists possibly win __________________ 80 Necromancer Guild leader www.Lotseekers.net "Aliquando et insanire iucundum est!" - It is sometimes pleasant even to act like a madman

11-07-2006, 03:01 PM	#2
Nej Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 20	well the easy answer is .. NO! Baaad boy for thinking that a conj ([Removed for Content]) can out dps a necro. necros are the offensive answer to the summoners (just like all other evil classes). i see why you have your doubts when a conj launches blazing on his pet doing about 2k instantly with a recast on 30 secs tho also for pvp the conj got knockbacks wich can really [Removed for Content] everyone off. but see this from my side.. when i fire my 2 AE attacks: Infernal cloud 1k and the one from Drawing of souls (52 spell) 900 an with Lich 176- with the chance to rpoc with theese http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/GrizzfazzlesWalkingStick.php + Mystical Orb of the Invoker (proc also 10% and about same dmg amount. not to mention Abate Life. Then if i am against a full encounter ( well .. you do the maths 8 x 1000 + 8 x 900 + 8 x 176 + the chance for the proc to proc :O = Conjs GO HOME! The conj dps is divided like this - pet 80% caster 20% since he only got a few spells that can harm a mob unlike the necro that only got dmg spells. you cant compare a a necro scout vs a conj scout because of his blazing. but necro mage vs conj mage = most dmg from necros pet and as a plus side it got 2 heals too. im not very sure about the tank pet but without blazing the conj figther is toasted hope this will help you m8

11-07-2006, 08:39 PM	#4
Odium Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 79	I managed to get into some instances and high level zones last night. We had a LVL 70 Conj there too. Will say that the Parse showed my DPS quite reasonable. I was typically third behind the Conj and a Bererker I think. I managed to get into 2nd place a time or two and managed a DPS high of 704. Ive actually managed DPS high of 1400 but that was with Undead tide, against a green heroic, with mutiple corpses lying around and I was mentored from 67 to 45 . Ive no idea if 704 DPS is good for a lvl 68, my average was more like 550 - 600. Still. I think what Im dealing with here is just some short fights against blue con mobs that make my DPS look less due to the quick fight. __________________ 80 Necromancer Guild leader www.Lotseekers.net "Aliquando et insanire iucundum est!" - It is sometimes pleasant even to act like a madman

11-07-2006, 08:32 PM	#3
katshimoto Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 14	I agree that we necros can outdps conjs, especially long fights like raid mobs.and our scout pet is better dps pet than conj's one.. that's what im using anyway, as master1... at same time their mage pet is better than our mage petalso, conjs are better than us in group encounters for sure, if short fights, their dps even greater, we are better in single mobs, long fights. But anway, it's alot depends on players too, on how good you play your class.. :smileywink:

11-08-2006, 03:01 AM	#5
Peraud Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 32	half of the time in an instance group i'll only have the chance to send pet in and get abate life off... but on Raids i'm parsing a steady 1200+dps each fight. I'm willing to bet that in instance groups (save the boss fights) i'm probably only parsing 700-800. not sure about that though. When ever i unleashe UT on a raid mob i'm easily up at the 2000+dps. ^_^ I'd like to think that is good DPS. but, i'm sure that once my guild gets a steady brigand and our Troubadore catches up with us (he is only lvl 60, so we basically use him for the mage buffs) it will go up a little more. As far as conjuror's are concerned, not sure though, they can't even touch my dps in our raids, but this could be due to a gap in player skill, spell quality (i'm pretty much mastered out, but if i recall corectly so is our conjuror), and pet choice along with AA lines.hope this helped... probably not, but oh well. -Trinaka70 Necromancer (Oasis)Guild Officer - Smoke

11-08-2006, 05:30 AM	#6
Colossaltitan Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,792	In AOE, yes. On Single Target, no.