enhance: dispel magic

Sondr · 12-05-2006, 12:38 AM

examining the aa says it adds dispel of mental effects, which would be nice (charm "cure" in inner sanctum etc?)

in reality its adding divine and magic (more?!) though, making it pretty useless SMILEY

can we hope for a fix on that, or should i just respec?

Tanatus · 12-05-2006, 07:03 AM

"Cure Arcane" been fixed SMILEY

you can't remove charm in MM

Sondr · 12-05-2006, 05:15 PM

what does that have to do with cure arcane?

ProphecyCT · 12-06-2006, 03:32 AM

Charm is a hostile spell casted by you which turns the mob into a friendly target. This explains why priests can cure it with arcane because they can cure hostile spells on friendly targets, i.e. your charmed pet.As for NPCs charming players, the players turn to hostile targets with a hostile charm spell on him or her. You cannot cure him or her because he's no longer a friendly target, but rather a hostile target.I may be wrong though =p.

Andu · 12-06-2006, 04:15 AM

You missed the point. With the enhance:dispel magic AA you are supposed to be able to clear mental effects from hostile mobs. That would presumably include casting it on a charmed tank to dispel the charm. Cure Arcane has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, like so many AA's at the minute, it seems to be broken and does nothing that anyone can figure out.

Leawyn · 12-06-2006, 04:57 AM

Anduri wrote:
You missed the point. With the enhance:dispel magic AA you are supposed to be able to clear mental effects from hostile mobs. That would presumably include casting it on a charmed tank to dispel the charm. Cure Arcane has nothing to do with it.

Unfortunately, like so many AA's at the minute, it seems to be broken and does nothing that anyone can figure out.

Here's the crux of the problem.... it dispells BENEFICIAL spells only. Charm is not beneficial, so using dispell magic to get rid of charm will not work either. Dispell is supposed to be used for things like buffs and dmg sheilds, to make them go away and make the mob easier.

Kyriel · 12-06-2006, 07:05 AM

pffff how is charm not beneficial? :smileytongue:

it should cure charm imo =(

Sondr · 12-06-2006, 03:28 PM

well apart from dispelling buffs from charmed players i havent seen this spell doing anything. not 100% sure whether charm is tagged beneficial or detrimental, but when i saw that its supposed to remove mental effects, i was pretty convinced that they finally gave this spell a reason to remain on hotbars.

also, even if charm is detrmental on the player, shouldnt it be beneficial for the mob? so could at least cast it on the mob then, to remove the charm through that.

ah well, i respecced for now, hoping for this to get fixed SMILEY

JackAll · 12-07-2006, 01:19 AM

I was able to remove divine dameage shields with it during beta.

I think other classes get better options though.

I would guess its an other pvp thing

feronia28 · 12-08-2006, 09:22 PM

Leawyn wrote:

Anduri wrote:
You missed the point. With the enhance:dispel magic AA you are supposed to be able to clear mental effects from hostile mobs. That would presumably include casting it on a charmed tank to dispel the charm. Cure Arcane has nothing to do with it.

Unfortunately, like so many AA's at the minute, it seems to be broken and does nothing that anyone can figure out.

Here's the crux of the problem.... it dispells BENEFICIAL spells only. Charm is not beneficial, so using dispell magic to get rid of charm will not work either. Dispell is supposed to be used for things like buffs and dmg sheilds, to make them go away and make the mob easier.

Can anyone verify dispelling the mob after he has charmed a player, as Charm maybe concidered a beneficial buff on the MAIN dude?

Leawyn · 12-08-2006, 09:46 PM

Heh... Last night I tried dispell on our MT when he got charmed.... and I removed a buff lol! OOPS! I stopped after that.

Wrapye · 12-09-2006, 01:44 AM

Dispel Magic won't be removing mental effects until after the fix is put on Test, which hasn't happened yet. Once it makes it to Live (or on Test, if you have a character there) we can see if it will remove charm.

Cattastrophy · 12-10-2006, 02:21 AM

I just got this AA to help out on DT raids as well as the upcoming raids in EoF... problem is, the spell reads "Dispells 78 levels of beneficial DIVINE", not mental, I think it's currently bugged, it's supposed to be Magic (base) and Mental (aa upgrade), not Divine. And yes this WILL cure charm off a tank.... if they freakin fix the thing. Have yet to test it on a raid, heading to DT tonight, so we see.

Will keep yall posted.

gracjan-s · 12-22-2006, 05:34 AM

so which buffs can we dispell with this spell? and when / where can we use it?

Cattastrophy · 12-22-2006, 06:16 AM

Well... pre-patch, testing in DT, it was removing all sorts of things... didn't get charm once... got a bunch of HP and Mit buffs though >.> oopsiesAnyone tested this after patch? - I don't really wana reste my AA again, but if it DOES cure charm, it would be rather useful.

Pins · 12-22-2006, 09:35 AM

You should notice something about charm now. The person is still in your group when charmed, which means you can't Dispel it, but you can Cure it.

Cattastrophy · 12-22-2006, 10:58 AM

Never were able to cure it before.... was that changed?

Wrapye · 12-24-2006, 10:38 PM

Pinski wrote:You should notice something about charm now. The person is still in your group when charmed, which means you can't Dispel it, but you can Cure it.

Given that makes charm as used by raid mobs a nuisance at best, as any mage and some healers can get rid of it in a second, I expect that is a bug and will be corrected.

Lleinen · 12-26-2006, 04:40 AM

Ive never been able to cure charm on anyone, has this changed now finally?

12-05-2006, 12:38 AM	#1
Sondr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	examining the aa says it adds dispel of mental effects, which would be nice (charm "cure" in inner sanctum etc?) in reality its adding divine and magic (more?!) though, making it pretty useless can we hope for a fix on that, or should i just respec? __________________ Coercer on Runnyeye

12-05-2006, 07:03 AM	#2
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	"Cure Arcane" been fixed you can't remove charm in MM

12-05-2006, 05:15 PM	#3
Sondr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	what does that have to do with cure arcane? __________________ Coercer on Runnyeye

12-06-2006, 03:32 AM	#4
ProphecyCT Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 247	Charm is a hostile spell casted by you which turns the mob into a friendly target. This explains why priests can cure it with arcane because they can cure hostile spells on friendly targets, i.e. your charmed pet.As for NPCs charming players, the players turn to hostile targets with a hostile charm spell on him or her. You cannot cure him or her because he's no longer a friendly target, but rather a hostile target.I may be wrong though =p. __________________

12-06-2006, 04:15 AM	#5
Andu General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 578	You missed the point. With the enhance:dispel magic AA you are supposed to be able to clear mental effects from hostile mobs. That would presumably include casting it on a charmed tank to dispel the charm. Cure Arcane has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, like so many AA's at the minute, it seems to be broken and does nothing that anyone can figure out. __________________

12-06-2006, 04:57 AM	#6
Leawyn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,014	Anduri wrote: You missed the point. With the enhance:dispel magic AA you are supposed to be able to clear mental effects from hostile mobs. That would presumably include casting it on a charmed tank to dispel the charm. Cure Arcane has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, like so many AA's at the minute, it seems to be broken and does nothing that anyone can figure out. Here's the crux of the problem.... it dispells BENEFICIAL spells only. Charm is not beneficial, so using dispell magic to get rid of charm will not work either. Dispell is supposed to be used for things like buffs and dmg sheilds, to make them go away and make the mob easier. __________________ Maelani \| Maelya \| Maerie \| Maehymn \| Maewyn \| Maekita \| Maelynne

12-06-2006, 07:05 AM	#7
Kyriel Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,386	pffff how is charm not beneficial? :smileytongue: it should cure charm imo =( __________________ Click Below to Watch Kyriel's EQ2 Music Video!!

12-06-2006, 03:28 PM	#8
Sondr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	well apart from dispelling buffs from charmed players i havent seen this spell doing anything. not 100% sure whether charm is tagged beneficial or detrimental, but when i saw that its supposed to remove mental effects, i was pretty convinced that they finally gave this spell a reason to remain on hotbars. also, even if charm is detrmental on the player, shouldnt it be beneficial for the mob? so could at least cast it on the mob then, to remove the charm through that. ah well, i respecced for now, hoping for this to get fixed __________________ Coercer on Runnyeye

12-07-2006, 01:19 AM	#9
JackAll Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 282	I was able to remove divine dameage shields with it during beta. I think other classes get better options though. I would guess its an other pvp thing

12-08-2006, 09:22 PM	#10
feronia28 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 32	Leawyn wrote: Anduri wrote: You missed the point. With the enhance:dispel magic AA you are supposed to be able to clear mental effects from hostile mobs. That would presumably include casting it on a charmed tank to dispel the charm. Cure Arcane has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, like so many AA's at the minute, it seems to be broken and does nothing that anyone can figure out. Here's the crux of the problem.... it dispells BENEFICIAL spells only. Charm is not beneficial, so using dispell magic to get rid of charm will not work either. Dispell is supposed to be used for things like buffs and dmg sheilds, to make them go away and make the mob easier. Can anyone verify dispelling the mob after he has charmed a player, as Charm maybe concidered a beneficial buff on the MAIN dude?

12-08-2006, 09:46 PM	#11
Leawyn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,014	Heh... Last night I tried dispell on our MT when he got charmed.... and I removed a buff lol! OOPS! I stopped after that. __________________ Maelani \| Maelya \| Maerie \| Maehymn \| Maewyn \| Maekita \| Maelynne

12-09-2006, 01:44 AM	#12
Wrapye Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 912	Dispel Magic won't be removing mental effects until after the fix is put on Test, which hasn't happened yet. Once it makes it to Live (or on Test, if you have a character there) we can see if it will remove charm. __________________

12-10-2006, 02:21 AM	#13
Cattastrophy Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 110	I just got this AA to help out on DT raids as well as the upcoming raids in EoF... problem is, the spell reads "Dispells 78 levels of beneficial DIVINE", not mental, I think it's currently bugged, it's supposed to be Magic (base) and Mental (aa upgrade), not Divine. And yes this WILL cure charm off a tank.... if they freakin fix the thing. Have yet to test it on a raid, heading to DT tonight, so we see. Will keep yall posted.

12-22-2006, 05:34 AM	#14
gracjan-s Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 84	so which buffs can we dispell with this spell? and when / where can we use it? __________________ Co-Admin at EverquestII.info

12-22-2006, 06:16 AM	#15
Cattastrophy Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 110	Well... pre-patch, testing in DT, it was removing all sorts of things... didn't get charm once... got a bunch of HP and Mit buffs though >.> oopsiesAnyone tested this after patch? - I don't really wana reste my AA again, but if it DOES cure charm, it would be rather useful.

12-22-2006, 09:35 AM	#16
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	You should notice something about charm now. The person is still in your group when charmed, which means you can't Dispel it, but you can Cure it. __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

12-22-2006, 10:58 AM	#17
Cattastrophy Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 110	Never were able to cure it before.... was that changed?

12-24-2006, 10:38 PM	#18
Wrapye Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 912	Pinski wrote:You should notice something about charm now. The person is still in your group when charmed, which means you can't Dispel it, but you can Cure it. Given that makes charm as used by raid mobs a nuisance at best, as any mage and some healers can get rid of it in a second, I expect that is a bug and will be corrected. __________________

12-26-2006, 04:40 AM	#19
Lleinen Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 368	Ive never been able to cure charm on anyone, has this changed now finally?