Breeze Agro?!?

Toogel · 02-22-2005, 04:32 PM

I was grouping in Fallen Gate the other night and group consisted of guardian, inquisitor, 3 dps, and me (coercer). I buffed up everyone, pleased that my breeze now lasted 15 minutes and would not need to be refreshed right away and could get to actually doing a little damage. In comes the first pull, guardian pulling however it is he pulls with. Mob makes a beeline for me... Im standing near the back of our camp spot. Im thinking, "ok... this is wierd." Daunting gaze the s.o.b. and the tank presumes to get agro and fight goes as normal. Next pull gets a little fubared, tank goes to get next group of mobs but accidently agros a second group. All 6 mobs come running after me, I have done nothing at this point... I patiently wait for the pulls before even thinking of doing any kind of agro, but regardless, the mobs all come at me and beat me to a pulp before the healer's spell is a thought in his mind.

The group manages to kill all 6 mobs and get me raised. I rebuff as I can but the tank pulls while I recoup. I dont get any agro this time. I start breezing the members as I can, second pull after my death comes around, still no agro... I breeze the tank midfight of this encounter. Next pull, the mob makes a beeline for me again. I stun it and tank grabs agro.... this is when I got to thinking about healing agro. If a healer gets agro replenishing hitpoints, can a bard or enchanter gain agro with a power regen? I cancel the main tanks breeze and leave it off for the remainder of the group and never once had a mob bum rush me the rest of the night.

I cant remember getting agro for breezing the MT before this last big patch, but breeze only lasted 3 minutes back then too... Has breeze always been full of agro, or is it something else Im missing? Maybe its not breeze... it might be something else. Anyone shed some light on this for me? Anyone else had similar experiences?

Valdaya · 02-22-2005, 04:40 PM

Toogeloo wrote:

I was grouping in Fallen Gate the other night and group consisted of guardian, inquisitor, 3 dps, and me (coercer). I buffed up everyone, pleased that my breeze now lasted 15 minutes and would not need to be refreshed right away and could get to actually doing a little damage. In comes the first pull, guardian pulling however it is he pulls with. Mob makes a beeline for me... Im standing near the back of our camp spot. Im thinking, "ok... this is wierd." Daunting gaze the s.o.b. and the tank presumes to get agro and fight goes as normal. Next pull gets a little fubared, tank goes to get next group of mobs but accidently agros a second group. All 6 mobs come running after me, I have done nothing at this point... I patiently wait for the pulls before even thinking of doing any kind of agro, but regardless, the mobs all come at me and beat me to a pulp before the healer's spell is a thought in his mind.

The group manages to kill all 6 mobs and get me raised. I rebuff as I can but the tank pulls while I recoup. I dont get any agro this time. I start breezing the members as I can, second pull after my death comes around, still no agro... I breeze the tank midfight of this encounter. Next pull, the mob makes a beeline for me again. I stun it and tank grabs agro.... this is when I got to thinking about healing agro. If a healer gets agro replenishing hitpoints, can a bard or enchanter gain agro with a power regen? I cancel the main tanks breeze and leave it off for the remainder of the group and never once had a mob bum rush me the rest of the night.

I cant remember getting agro for breezing the MT before this last big patch, but breeze only lasted 3 minutes back then too... Has breeze always been full of agro, or is it something else Im missing? Maybe its not breeze... it might be something else. Anyone shed some light on this for me? Anyone else had similar experiences?

It's the Breeze, yes. Breeze counts for purposes of hate as a 'regeneration' type spell, and just as druids can rack up hate with their health regeneration heals, enchanters can rack up hate with Breeze. It's a very small amount, but if your tank doesn't pull by taunting it's certainly enough to sic a group of enemies on you. If your tank doesn't learn how to pull properly, or other groupmembers are pulling out of turn (whether deliberately or accidentally) then consider taking their Breeze off as you said you did. Talk to the tank and explain the situation, tell him that he should pull by using his AE taunt instead of arrows/spells/whatever, and see if the situation improves. You'd be surprised. SMILEY

Jaxidi · 02-22-2005, 07:36 PM

Yes, Breeze has some pretty horrid agro, especially at lower levels. There were times where my tank would pull a single-target mob with a successful taunt (but only 1 taunt) and my breeze still pulled agro even though it was cast before the tank pulled. Always make it known to your tank why you keep getting agro if this continues to happen.

Ghouli · 02-23-2005, 04:20 AM

Since the patch, may have been earlier but I have only really noticed it since timer went up to 15 min (22.5 min for training) that we get aggro just by breathing and I am assuming it is breeze causing it. It is important that the tank know what to expect and how to handle it but I believe this is not the answer and should be fixed. Adds = Death for a coercer 3 times out of 4 last night when the group I was in got adds every single add went straight for me (they were multiple mobs) and since we drop quicker than a $2 [Removed for Content] there was nothing that could be done, by the time adds were there and the tank attempted to gain aggro or healers attepted to heal me I was dead. Every attempt by me to reduce hate didn't wok. The best I did was when I had all spells available to cast and was able to stun and stifle and mez long enough for tank to get aggro (hence I survived 1 out of 4) if they were single adds I probably could of handled it but they were multiple (x4) and I had no hope. 1 thing i didn't try was AoE Mez may work, don't use it personally

With Breeze on even just myself, Tank and main healer this was still ocurring. Adds are a coercers worst enemy atm and since I believe that our ability to handle adds should be one of strong points its a little disappointing.

erdam · 02-24-2005, 08:14 PM

I was having issues with this in FG last night. Breeze agro was a minor issue on groups of mobs, but after a pull or 2 the tank adjusted. Unfortunately wondering adds were a major issue. The always beelined for me. I think I have 700ish hps and the blue ^^ skellies would open with a crush for 350 and a normal attack for 150ish and 2-3secs latter finish me with a second attack. It is difficult for the healer to react in 2-3secs (especially when the add was in a wall or other general FG buggynes).

Xan Xen · 02-25-2005, 01:41 AM

Ghoulies wrote:

Since the patch, may have been earlier but I have only really noticed it since timer went up to 15 min (22.5 min for training) that we get aggro just by breathing and I am assuming it is breeze causing it. It is important that the tank know what to expect and how to handle it but I believe this is not the answer and should be fixed. Adds = Death for a coercer 3 times out of 4 last night when the group I was in got adds every single add went straight for me (they were multiple mobs) and since we drop quicker than a $2 [Removed for Content] there was nothing that could be done, by the time adds were there and the tank attempted to gain aggro or healers attepted to heal me I was dead. Every attempt by me to reduce hate didn't wok. The best I did was when I had all spells available to cast and was able to stun and stifle and mez long enough for tank to get aggro (hence I survived 1 out of 4) if they were single adds I probably could of handled it but they were multiple (x4) and I had no hope. 1 thing i didn't try was AoE Mez may work, don't use it personally

With Breeze on even just myself, Tank and main healer this was still ocurring. Adds are a coercers worst enemy atm and since I believe that our ability to handle adds should be one of strong points its a little disappointing.

Your AoE mez is your best friend when dealing with an added group. That is, unless everyone panics and starts whacking away at the adds to "help" you.

You'll have to explain that when adds occur, the party should have faith and let you deal with it. Then, at least, your fate is in your own hands.

And, yes. Breeze aggro has gotten a lot worse since the last big patch, simply because now I keep my entire party in breeze the whole night.

Xonxen

38 Coercer

Freeport, Befallen

Fulcon · 02-25-2005, 08:42 PM

This has always been a problem for me especially if MT is pulling with arrows. My general rule is the MT does NOT get a breeze. He just has to manage his power. The whole group dynamics get messed up when I get breeze agro.

An alternate is to have the tank pull with AE taunt.

xxalan · 02-27-2005, 02:08 PM

I was in nek and a person in my group was doing an aq, and when we hit the beach a named and his body guards came straight for me out of nowhere, even though i was the last in line and i didn't even trigger the quest.

I have gone naked from dying 2 times in the last 2 days, I think soe should balance this somehow.

War-Dude · 03-02-2005, 10:52 PM

Same here with Breeze agro.

In FG, mobs would pass up the tank who Just taunted them just to come smack me.

I will not be breezing Main tank in future.

Chath · 03-04-2005, 11:30 PM

My primary just got Breeze in the last couple of days and I've noticed this phenomenon, too.

One of the disadvantages of regenerative-type spells is that they operate slowly; the mitigation for this ought to be that aggro is mininal or non-existent except at the time the spell is cast. Breezing a tank mid-fight ought to be dangerous. Breezing the tank two fights ago shouldn't be.

This is not my father's EQ, that's for sure...

Chath · 03-04-2005, 11:30 PM

(Duplicate deleted.)

Message Edited by Chatham on 03-04-2005 10:31 AM

02-22-2005, 04:40 PM	#2
Valdaya Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	Toogeloo wrote: I was grouping in Fallen Gate the other night and group consisted of guardian, inquisitor, 3 dps, and me (coercer). I buffed up everyone, pleased that my breeze now lasted 15 minutes and would not need to be refreshed right away and could get to actually doing a little damage. In comes the first pull, guardian pulling however it is he pulls with. Mob makes a beeline for me... Im standing near the back of our camp spot. Im thinking, "ok... this is wierd." Daunting gaze the s.o.b. and the tank presumes to get agro and fight goes as normal. Next pull gets a little fubared, tank goes to get next group of mobs but accidently agros a second group. All 6 mobs come running after me, I have done nothing at this point... I patiently wait for the pulls before even thinking of doing any kind of agro, but regardless, the mobs all come at me and beat me to a pulp before the healer's spell is a thought in his mind. The group manages to kill all 6 mobs and get me raised. I rebuff as I can but the tank pulls while I recoup. I dont get any agro this time. I start breezing the members as I can, second pull after my death comes around, still no agro... I breeze the tank midfight of this encounter. Next pull, the mob makes a beeline for me again. I stun it and tank grabs agro.... this is when I got to thinking about healing agro. If a healer gets agro replenishing hitpoints, can a bard or enchanter gain agro with a power regen? I cancel the main tanks breeze and leave it off for the remainder of the group and never once had a mob bum rush me the rest of the night. I cant remember getting agro for breezing the MT before this last big patch, but breeze only lasted 3 minutes back then too... Has breeze always been full of agro, or is it something else Im missing? Maybe its not breeze... it might be something else. Anyone shed some light on this for me? Anyone else had similar experiences? It's the Breeze, yes. Breeze counts for purposes of hate as a 'regeneration' type spell, and just as druids can rack up hate with their health regeneration heals, enchanters can rack up hate with Breeze. It's a very small amount, but if your tank doesn't pull by taunting it's certainly enough to sic a group of enemies on you. If your tank doesn't learn how to pull properly, or other groupmembers are pulling out of turn (whether deliberately or accidentally) then consider taking their Breeze off as you said you did. Talk to the tank and explain the situation, tell him that he should pull by using his AE taunt instead of arrows/spells/whatever, and see if the situation improves. You'd be surprised.

02-22-2005, 07:36 PM	#3
Jaxidi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 227	Yes, Breeze has some pretty horrid agro, especially at lower levels. There were times where my tank would pull a single-target mob with a successful taunt (but only 1 taunt) and my breeze still pulled agro even though it was cast before the tank pulled. Always make it known to your tank why you keep getting agro if this continues to happen. __________________ Jaxidian - 60 Illusionist (Najena) --- Join the WorldWide Illusionist channel in game!! Type: /join highkeep.illusionistworld /join eq.worldwide.illusionist

02-25-2005, 01:41 AM	#6
Xan Xen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	Ghoulies wrote: Since the patch, may have been earlier but I have only really noticed it since timer went up to 15 min (22.5 min for training) that we get aggro just by breathing and I am assuming it is breeze causing it. It is important that the tank know what to expect and how to handle it but I believe this is not the answer and should be fixed. Adds = Death for a coercer 3 times out of 4 last night when the group I was in got adds every single add went straight for me (they were multiple mobs) and since we drop quicker than a $2 [Removed for Content] there was nothing that could be done, by the time adds were there and the tank attempted to gain aggro or healers attepted to heal me I was dead. Every attempt by me to reduce hate didn't wok. The best I did was when I had all spells available to cast and was able to stun and stifle and mez long enough for tank to get aggro (hence I survived 1 out of 4) if they were single adds I probably could of handled it but they were multiple (x4) and I had no hope. 1 thing i didn't try was AoE Mez may work, don't use it personally With Breeze on even just myself, Tank and main healer this was still ocurring. Adds are a coercers worst enemy atm and since I believe that our ability to handle adds should be one of strong points its a little disappointing. Your AoE mez is your best friend when dealing with an added group. That is, unless everyone panics and starts whacking away at the adds to "help" you. You'll have to explain that when adds occur, the party should have faith and let you deal with it. Then, at least, your fate is in your own hands. And, yes. Breeze aggro has gotten a lot worse since the last big patch, simply because now I keep my entire party in breeze the whole night. Xonxen 38 Coercer Freeport, Befallen

02-25-2005, 08:42 PM	#7
Fulcon Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	This has always been a problem for me especially if MT is pulling with arrows. My general rule is the MT does NOT get a breeze. He just has to manage his power. The whole group dynamics get messed up when I get breeze agro. An alternate is to have the tank pull with AE taunt. __________________ Uthee 22 Assassin Mushupeo 45 Coercer Gondaaf 12 Shaman Highkeep

02-22-2005, 04:32 PM	#1
Toogel Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 78	I was grouping in Fallen Gate the other night and group consisted of guardian, inquisitor, 3 dps, and me (coercer). I buffed up everyone, pleased that my breeze now lasted 15 minutes and would not need to be refreshed right away and could get to actually doing a little damage. In comes the first pull, guardian pulling however it is he pulls with. Mob makes a beeline for me... Im standing near the back of our camp spot. Im thinking, "ok... this is wierd." Daunting gaze the s.o.b. and the tank presumes to get agro and fight goes as normal. Next pull gets a little fubared, tank goes to get next group of mobs but accidently agros a second group. All 6 mobs come running after me, I have done nothing at this point... I patiently wait for the pulls before even thinking of doing any kind of agro, but regardless, the mobs all come at me and beat me to a pulp before the healer's spell is a thought in his mind. The group manages to kill all 6 mobs and get me raised. I rebuff as I can but the tank pulls while I recoup. I dont get any agro this time. I start breezing the members as I can, second pull after my death comes around, still no agro... I breeze the tank midfight of this encounter. Next pull, the mob makes a beeline for me again. I stun it and tank grabs agro.... this is when I got to thinking about healing agro. If a healer gets agro replenishing hitpoints, can a bard or enchanter gain agro with a power regen? I cancel the main tanks breeze and leave it off for the remainder of the group and never once had a mob bum rush me the rest of the night. I cant remember getting agro for breezing the MT before this last big patch, but breeze only lasted 3 minutes back then too... Has breeze always been full of agro, or is it something else Im missing? Maybe its not breeze... it might be something else. Anyone shed some light on this for me? Anyone else had similar experiences?

02-23-2005, 04:20 AM	#4
Ghouli Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 49	Since the patch, may have been earlier but I have only really noticed it since timer went up to 15 min (22.5 min for training) that we get aggro just by breathing and I am assuming it is breeze causing it. It is important that the tank know what to expect and how to handle it but I believe this is not the answer and should be fixed. Adds = Death for a coercer 3 times out of 4 last night when the group I was in got adds every single add went straight for me (they were multiple mobs) and since we drop quicker than a $2 [Removed for Content] there was nothing that could be done, by the time adds were there and the tank attempted to gain aggro or healers attepted to heal me I was dead. Every attempt by me to reduce hate didn't wok. The best I did was when I had all spells available to cast and was able to stun and stifle and mez long enough for tank to get aggro (hence I survived 1 out of 4) if they were single adds I probably could of handled it but they were multiple (x4) and I had no hope. 1 thing i didn't try was AoE Mez may work, don't use it personally With Breeze on even just myself, Tank and main healer this was still ocurring. Adds are a coercers worst enemy atm and since I believe that our ability to handle adds should be one of strong points its a little disappointing.

02-24-2005, 08:14 PM	#5
erdam Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 16	I was having issues with this in FG last night. Breeze agro was a minor issue on groups of mobs, but after a pull or 2 the tank adjusted. Unfortunately wondering adds were a major issue. The always beelined for me. I think I have 700ish hps and the blue ^^ skellies would open with a crush for 350 and a normal attack for 150ish and 2-3secs latter finish me with a second attack. It is difficult for the healer to react in 2-3secs (especially when the add was in a wall or other general FG buggynes).

02-27-2005, 02:08 PM	#8
xxalan General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 52	I was in nek and a person in my group was doing an aq, and when we hit the beach a named and his body guards came straight for me out of nowhere, even though i was the last in line and i didn't even trigger the quest. I have gone naked from dying 2 times in the last 2 days, I think soe should balance this somehow.

03-02-2005, 10:52 PM	#9
War-Dude Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5	Same here with Breeze agro. In FG, mobs would pass up the tank who Just taunted them just to come smack me. I will not be breezing Main tank in future.

03-04-2005, 11:30 PM	#10
Chath Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 117	My primary just got Breeze in the last couple of days and I've noticed this phenomenon, too. One of the disadvantages of regenerative-type spells is that they operate slowly; the mitigation for this ought to be that aggro is mininal or non-existent except at the time the spell is cast. Breezing a tank mid-fight ought to be dangerous. Breezing the tank two fights ago shouldn't be. This is not my father's EQ, that's for sure...

03-04-2005, 11:30 PM	#11
Chath Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 117	(Duplicate deleted.) Message Edited by Chatham on 03-04-2005 10:31 AM