fluff spells?

Duckforcetwo · 10-03-2006, 03:50 PM

so im nearly a lvl 30 chanter...other classes have cool fluff spells.. get horses and flaming fists... that at least looks cool or does something funny... like turning people into toads...what can we do? turn ourselves into a human or halfelf... or later on turn the group into the same...wheres the fun in that? wheres the fluff part?am i missing something here?

Rayvne2 · 10-03-2006, 04:02 PM

/sighYeah, this topic has been beat to death, rezzed by a healer, beat to death, rezzed by a healer, beat to death,....Common concensus. Our fluff spells suck.The only, very small, pleasure I get from them is casting group half elf when we have pet classes in the group and them whining abut me turning their uber lookig pet into a half elf female.And, as a halfling, I do cast the human and barbarian one on myself sometimes to help with line of sight. Really it it the only solution to staring at a raids [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] all night.

Duckforcetwo · 10-03-2006, 04:38 PM

just read some old posts...seems like this has been a problem for over 2 years.. but not a word has been said by the devs or anything done to it...

Mongowth · 10-04-2006, 03:42 PM

Hit the nail on the head there!

It has been an ongoing plea from the illu community and not a word from the times I've been bothered to come back and read (from getting so frikking annoyed by no replies).

Conj's have orbs, stone guards.

Fury has lion, tree (thing), wolf

Brigand has a hamburglar effect (which does look pretty cool as well as comical)

Coercer (even the fekkin coercer has better ones imho) rat, ogre etc

and here's our awesome array:

human - woot (delete it now, it's so crap that crap is a compliment)

gnoll - about the only semi-decent illusion

stupid fluffy looking elves (no offense directly but the fact we get a stupid fluffy elf form)

barbarian - what really is the major difference between human and barbarian? broader shoulders.. ah ok :smileysad:

Dwarf - kind of handy for size but crap all the same imo!

If there is anymore I've forgotten, they seriously aren't worth mentioning!

Conj's make a far better "illusionist" than illusionists do and I've thought that for the 2 years I've been playing this game!

Give us some good illusions please, for the sake of being an illusionist!!!!11oneone...

I posted a "capture class type" as I copied from another idea I'd seen. Like the creature catalogue. You capture the image of the person targetted and can then cast it on yourself or on the group...

PLEASE GIVE US SOME FEKKIN ILLUSIONS OTHERWISE [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] ARE WE CALLED ILLUSIONISTS?!?!?!?!?!!

/rant off

Mongowth · 10-10-2006, 07:37 PM

Probably going to come across more as a whinge to others reading this but the fact this has been left unanswered amongst the graveyard of other pleas from the illu community, this just proves the point that this post is initially about!

We have crap illusions, even though called an illusionist. We are the jokers amongst the illusion casters!

It never has been and more than likely, never will get answered.

It's a matter of "get used to it illusionists, you'll never cast a decent illusion!"

Just call us regenning, crowd controlling (when it's needed, if ever) mini-warlocks and have done with it *sigh*

Whatever to call us, I certainly wouldn't call us an illusionist. Can anyone tell me what actually makes this class an illusionist? (please don't go off about, SoE's meaning of illu's differs from the literal meaning as they must have based it upon something at least)

It would be REALLY nice to get some decent illusions. Although not essential, when you break it down, I don't see how we're illusionists?!?!?!

Mihos · 10-10-2006, 08:46 PM

My heart got broken soon after release when I saw all the cool and unique illusions all the other classes got... then got even more depressed when I found out about the bone collection quest that let anyone have my class illusions... the the ONE unique illusion I had (gnoll) got trampled on when they added the Splitpaw Saga and made an even cooler version of the illusion just to rub it in more.

Then every expansion I would look for a new illusionist illusion.... nothing... now this expansion.. we don't even get any new spells at all.

I am hoping for some subclass AA that gives us some kind of illusion that not every dork on the street has... it would be a perfect opportuinity to differientiate us from coercers more too. Hell, I would take that AA line even if it had no other benefit. Seems like it would make sence and all, but after 2 years of this, I am not optomistic in the least. I would almost be willing to bet that new illusions do come in this expansion, but only for some other class like a guardian or some crap.

Yes.... I am bitter about this topic.

Banditman · 10-10-2006, 09:02 PM

You know what would be "cool" as a fluff spell?"Group Illusion My Target".Turn your group into whatever you have targeted.Wanna make it more than fluff? Make it take the faction of the target as well.Would it be useful very often? Probably not. But it would make Illusionists once again masters of illusion.

Jvaloth · 10-11-2006, 04:44 PM

*bumpage*

This may not seem to be a major issue but it is.

Illusionists should have a bunch of cool illusions.

I truely believe our haste spell should have an illusion component attached to it kind of like Boon turned ya into a Werewolf in EQ 1.

Synergy should have some sort of illusion component. etc etc

Give us some fluff spells and add some illusions aspects to our buff lines!

Also would like to see our dumbfire pet and our personae scale up as we improve it from Apprentice 1 to Master 1.

Banditman · 10-11-2006, 05:54 PM

Jvaloth wrote:
Also would like to see our dumbfire pet and our personae scale up as we improve it from Apprentice 1 to Master 1.

They do.

auk · 10-11-2006, 09:44 PM

Banditman wrote:
Jvaloth wrote:
Also would like to see our dumbfire pet and our personae scale up as we improve it from Apprentice 1 to Master 1.
They do.

I assume he meant appearances, like summoner pets, but I don't think thats really necessary.

Jvaloth · 10-12-2006, 05:57 PM

Sure, not "necessary" but we deserve a little love'n.

Not necessary for any other class with pets but all of their spells changed appearances as they were scaled up.

Chay · 10-24-2006, 05:06 PM

I honestly don't know why they split the Enchanter class into two for EQ2 except that they wanted an even number of classes and couldn't think of another class. I think they still feel they made us too powerful in EQ1 (which from my understanding they've pretty much killed the class over there).Sorry I wont get on that soapbox today.... Anyway... The problem is why have a class that is defined by fluff spells? There needs to be a purpose for our illusions to define us and we need illusions. If we are to be buff bots... then we need buffs that cast illusions that don't take up a concentration. Conjurors do that to their pets (through AA) though I don't think it makes. Maybe they are limit duration... Example (not a great one but being proactive)... Prismatic Chaos could cast an illusion instead of the shower effect on the target... Another nice, if not subversive addition to our illusions is have the illusions we cast on others show up no matter what. Make the "Hide my illusion" option only effect illusions cast by the person but not by the third party. Ok, that might get a lot of people upset but the main reason it is even an option is so that all those illusions cast by buff totems are annoying so they made it so you didn't have to look like a rat or bat or big annoyingly fat and white bear.

Mongowth · 10-24-2006, 06:03 PM

I'm glad someone else is keeping this alive as I must have written loads out as a reply to this just yesterday but the lack of replies and botheredness from the community made think other to it.There is not much at all that defines us to the right of being named "illusionists". A conjuror does by far out illusion us, even a coercers illusion are better in comparison. Turning peeps into ogre's/rats etc.I'm guessing either the illu community has gone blue in the face from going on and on about this and how crap our illusions are in comparison to practically anyone BUT illusionists.Put some illusions in with our spells that the "hide illusion" has no power over... I like that idea, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] have an illusionist if you can choose to not have the illusions show?Alright, the fluff spells are so lame, who the hell would WANT to look like a lame-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] human/barbarian/elf (no offence directly but seriously, if you chose a cool looking iksar or whatever and took the time to define it's looks would you want to look like a boring human/barbarian in comparison?)I think the haste buff should have something tied into it like blades jump out on melee attacks etc, prismatic chaos, again, I like that idea. Some illusions tied in with our actual spells instead of maybe a brief illusion on buffing. It might get too heavy on gfx I guess but again, why be called an illusionist if you're really not casting that many illusions (if any)?!I think it's the swashy CA that makes a HUGE purple-ish copy of the character upon casting a spell type, why don't we get a cool illusion like that?I still think some ideas I've read the couple of years I've played/been reading forums are outstanding yet constantly ignored!Some form of avoidance buff on MT or general target in group that multiplies that target. Causing the enemy confusion to which target they hit. Similar to IA I guess but with a lot more use tied into it! (not saying IA is useless but it isn't the most UseFUL either)Another I read: a capture target image spell that you can then cast on the group you're in to help with deagro. A replacement for group invis type thing allowing you to move through that certain creature type with no agro until maybe you come to another class or probably even some form of "see illusion".Last part on a side note: What's going on with see invis/see stealth? They seem to be completely the same. Kinda defeats the purpose of having them called different thing as well as doesn't allow the scouts to be able to scout :smileywink:

Mongowth · 10-25-2006, 06:14 PM

^^ Bump ^^Would be nice to get some Sony feedback on this!!!!!!

Supp · 10-27-2006, 02:40 AM

Mongowth,

I had an illusionist friend in my own guild for a long time. The dude was raw in general, but no one in guild could disagree with him over the uselessness and ignoring of illusionists (in raids), till they fixed the raid mob mezzing thing. I mentioned that point because I think Wardens get painfully ignored (used to be one), but I think illusionists have got Wardens beat.

If I was in your shoes, I would switch to coercer, masters be damned, roll a new toon (which is not nearly as hard as you might think), or play some other game. I played a game called Eve Online, and those Devs forced my departure to the cost of cancelling 3 accounts, and I have never looked back, and I slept well. And btw, Im quite sure they didnt care either. I will not play an ignored class. It's a constant aggravation.

Message Edited by Supple on 10-26-2006 03:41 PM

10-04-2006, 03:42 PM	#4
Mongowth Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 72	Hit the nail on the head there! It has been an ongoing plea from the illu community and not a word from the times I've been bothered to come back and read (from getting so frikking annoyed by no replies). Conj's have orbs, stone guards. Fury has lion, tree (thing), wolf Brigand has a hamburglar effect (which does look pretty cool as well as comical) Coercer (even the fekkin coercer has better ones imho) rat, ogre etc and here's our awesome array: human - woot (delete it now, it's so crap that crap is a compliment) gnoll - about the only semi-decent illusion stupid fluffy looking elves (no offense directly but the fact we get a stupid fluffy elf form) barbarian - what really is the major difference between human and barbarian? broader shoulders.. ah ok :smileysad: Dwarf - kind of handy for size but crap all the same imo! If there is anymore I've forgotten, they seriously aren't worth mentioning! Conj's make a far better "illusionist" than illusionists do and I've thought that for the 2 years I've been playing this game! Give us some good illusions please, for the sake of being an illusionist!!!!11oneone... I posted a "capture class type" as I copied from another idea I'd seen. Like the creature catalogue. You capture the image of the person targetted and can then cast it on yourself or on the group... PLEASE GIVE US SOME FEKKIN ILLUSIONS OTHERWISE [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] ARE WE CALLED ILLUSIONISTS?!?!?!?!?!! /rant off __________________ http://u.eq2wire.com/sig/show/377147204

10-10-2006, 07:37 PM	#5
Mongowth Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 72	Probably going to come across more as a whinge to others reading this but the fact this has been left unanswered amongst the graveyard of other pleas from the illu community, this just proves the point that this post is initially about! We have crap illusions, even though called an illusionist. We are the jokers amongst the illusion casters! It never has been and more than likely, never will get answered. It's a matter of "get used to it illusionists, you'll never cast a decent illusion!" Just call us regenning, crowd controlling (when it's needed, if ever) mini-warlocks and have done with it sigh Whatever to call us, I certainly wouldn't call us an illusionist. Can anyone tell me what actually makes this class an illusionist? (please don't go off about, SoE's meaning of illu's differs from the literal meaning as they must have based it upon something at least) It would be REALLY nice to get some decent illusions. Although not essential, when you break it down, I don't see how we're illusionists?!?!?! __________________ http://u.eq2wire.com/sig/show/377147204

10-10-2006, 08:46 PM	#6
Mihos Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 211	My heart got broken soon after release when I saw all the cool and unique illusions all the other classes got... then got even more depressed when I found out about the bone collection quest that let anyone have my class illusions... the the ONE unique illusion I had (gnoll) got trampled on when they added the Splitpaw Saga and made an even cooler version of the illusion just to rub it in more. Then every expansion I would look for a new illusionist illusion.... nothing... now this expansion.. we don't even get any new spells at all. I am hoping for some subclass AA that gives us some kind of illusion that not every dork on the street has... it would be a perfect opportuinity to differientiate us from coercers more too. Hell, I would take that AA line even if it had no other benefit. Seems like it would make sence and all, but after 2 years of this, I am not optomistic in the least. I would almost be willing to bet that new illusions do come in this expansion, but only for some other class like a guardian or some crap. Yes.... I am bitter about this topic. __________________

10-10-2006, 09:02 PM	#7
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	You know what would be "cool" as a fluff spell?"Group Illusion My Target".Turn your group into whatever you have targeted.Wanna make it more than fluff? Make it take the faction of the target as well.Would it be useful very often? Probably not. But it would make Illusionists once again masters of illusion. __________________

10-11-2006, 05:54 PM	#9
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	Jvaloth wrote: Also would like to see our dumbfire pet and our personae scale up as we improve it from Apprentice 1 to Master 1. They do. __________________

10-03-2006, 03:50 PM	#1
Duckforcetwo Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Splitpaw Posts: 86	so im nearly a lvl 30 chanter...other classes have cool fluff spells.. get horses and flaming fists... that at least looks cool or does something funny... like turning people into toads...what can we do? turn ourselves into a human or halfelf... or later on turn the group into the same...wheres the fun in that? wheres the fluff part?am i missing something here?

10-03-2006, 04:02 PM	#2
Rayvne2 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 114	/sighYeah, this topic has been beat to death, rezzed by a healer, beat to death, rezzed by a healer, beat to death,....Common concensus. Our fluff spells suck.The only, very small, pleasure I get from them is casting group half elf when we have pet classes in the group and them whining abut me turning their uber lookig pet into a half elf female.And, as a halfling, I do cast the human and barbarian one on myself sometimes to help with line of sight. Really it it the only solution to staring at a raids [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] all night.

10-03-2006, 04:38 PM	#3
Duckforcetwo Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Splitpaw Posts: 86	just read some old posts...seems like this has been a problem for over 2 years.. but not a word has been said by the devs or anything done to it...

10-11-2006, 04:44 PM	#8
Jvaloth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 373	bumpage This may not seem to be a major issue but it is. Illusionists should have a bunch of cool illusions. I truely believe our haste spell should have an illusion component attached to it kind of like Boon turned ya into a Werewolf in EQ 1. Synergy should have some sort of illusion component. etc etc Give us some fluff spells and add some illusions aspects to our buff lines! Also would like to see our dumbfire pet and our personae scale up as we improve it from Apprentice 1 to Master 1.

10-11-2006, 09:44 PM	#10
auk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	Banditman wrote: Jvaloth wrote: Also would like to see our dumbfire pet and our personae scale up as we improve it from Apprentice 1 to Master 1. They do. I assume he meant appearances, like summoner pets, but I don't think thats really necessary.

10-12-2006, 05:57 PM	#11
Jvaloth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 373	Sure, not "necessary" but we deserve a little love'n. Not necessary for any other class with pets but all of their spells changed appearances as they were scaled up.

10-24-2006, 05:06 PM	#12
Chay General Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 490	I honestly don't know why they split the Enchanter class into two for EQ2 except that they wanted an even number of classes and couldn't think of another class. I think they still feel they made us too powerful in EQ1 (which from my understanding they've pretty much killed the class over there).Sorry I wont get on that soapbox today.... Anyway... The problem is why have a class that is defined by fluff spells? There needs to be a purpose for our illusions to define us and we need illusions. If we are to be buff bots... then we need buffs that cast illusions that don't take up a concentration. Conjurors do that to their pets (through AA) though I don't think it makes. Maybe they are limit duration... Example (not a great one but being proactive)... Prismatic Chaos could cast an illusion instead of the shower effect on the target... Another nice, if not subversive addition to our illusions is have the illusions we cast on others show up no matter what. Make the "Hide my illusion" option only effect illusions cast by the person but not by the third party. Ok, that might get a lot of people upset but the main reason it is even an option is so that all those illusions cast by buff totems are annoying so they made it so you didn't have to look like a rat or bat or big annoyingly fat and white bear. __________________

10-24-2006, 06:03 PM	#13
Mongowth Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 72	I'm glad someone else is keeping this alive as I must have written loads out as a reply to this just yesterday but the lack of replies and botheredness from the community made think other to it.There is not much at all that defines us to the right of being named "illusionists". A conjuror does by far out illusion us, even a coercers illusion are better in comparison. Turning peeps into ogre's/rats etc.I'm guessing either the illu community has gone blue in the face from going on and on about this and how crap our illusions are in comparison to practically anyone BUT illusionists.Put some illusions in with our spells that the "hide illusion" has no power over... I like that idea, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] have an illusionist if you can choose to not have the illusions show?Alright, the fluff spells are so lame, who the hell would WANT to look like a lame-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] human/barbarian/elf (no offence directly but seriously, if you chose a cool looking iksar or whatever and took the time to define it's looks would you want to look like a boring human/barbarian in comparison?)I think the haste buff should have something tied into it like blades jump out on melee attacks etc, prismatic chaos, again, I like that idea. Some illusions tied in with our actual spells instead of maybe a brief illusion on buffing. It might get too heavy on gfx I guess but again, why be called an illusionist if you're really not casting that many illusions (if any)?!I think it's the swashy CA that makes a HUGE purple-ish copy of the character upon casting a spell type, why don't we get a cool illusion like that?I still think some ideas I've read the couple of years I've played/been reading forums are outstanding yet constantly ignored!Some form of avoidance buff on MT or general target in group that multiplies that target. Causing the enemy confusion to which target they hit. Similar to IA I guess but with a lot more use tied into it! (not saying IA is useless but it isn't the most UseFUL either)Another I read: a capture target image spell that you can then cast on the group you're in to help with deagro. A replacement for group invis type thing allowing you to move through that certain creature type with no agro until maybe you come to another class or probably even some form of "see illusion".Last part on a side note: What's going on with see invis/see stealth? They seem to be completely the same. Kinda defeats the purpose of having them called different thing as well as doesn't allow the scouts to be able to scout :smileywink: __________________ http://u.eq2wire.com/sig/show/377147204

10-25-2006, 06:14 PM	#14
Mongowth Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 72	^^ Bump ^^Would be nice to get some Sony feedback on this!!!!!! __________________ http://u.eq2wire.com/sig/show/377147204

10-27-2006, 02:40 AM	#15
Supp General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 687	Mongowth, I had an illusionist friend in my own guild for a long time. The dude was raw in general, but no one in guild could disagree with him over the uselessness and ignoring of illusionists (in raids), till they fixed the raid mob mezzing thing. I mentioned that point because I think Wardens get painfully ignored (used to be one), but I think illusionists have got Wardens beat. If I was in your shoes, I would switch to coercer, masters be damned, roll a new toon (which is not nearly as hard as you might think), or play some other game. I played a game called Eve Online, and those Devs forced my departure to the cost of cancelling 3 accounts, and I have never looked back, and I slept well. And btw, Im quite sure they didnt care either. I will not play an ignored class. It's a constant aggravation. Message Edited by Supple on 10-26-2006 03:41 PM __________________ 80 Barbarian Necromancer \| 139 AA \| 380 Tinkerer of Antonia Bayle 80 Fae Warlock \| 135 AA \| 400 Tinkerer of Antonia Bayle 80 Teir'Dal Bruiser \| 132 AA \| 76 Carpenter \| 350 Tinkerer of Antonia Bayle 80 Arasai Mystic \| 132 AA \| 370 Tinkerer of Antonia Bayle 71 Barbarian Guardian \| 108 AA \| 350 Muter of Antonia Bayle 70 Teir'Dal Fury \| 81 AA \| 80 Sage \| 400 Transmuter of Antonia Bayle 61 Sarnak Ranger \| 75 AA of Antonia Bayle Betrayals: Bruiser (2) \| Fury (1) \| Warlock (2) \| Mystic (1) \| Guardian (1) \| Ranger (1) \| Others (3)