Yet another Ninja Nerf...thanks for the warning SoE

Midget of Death · 11-10-2005, 09:16 PM

Choatic Maelstrom,

Used to at Adept III have a 50% chance to cause Steal Breath on target....with a chance to spread to other members of the encounter. Well...I guess...GOD FORBID WE SOLO...that SoE decided that was too good and that us oh so uber and oh so powerful Warlock's should be nerfed yet again. Now the only thing this spell does is provides a debuff against Disease and Poison damage.

I havent logged in today...maybe they fixed it (HA HA HA HA)

But its nice to see that...while our breathren wizards keep getting better...we (the warlocks) keep getting the shaft... Thanks OH SO MUCH SoE

To all the trolls that want to blast me....well...ah...gee....how shall I phrase this in a nice way....shove it where the sun dont shine...if you dont play a warlock Shut up..you dont know what your talking about.

It would be nice to be able to solo as effectivly as most wizards do...not all of us can get groups all the time...oh well

/em RANT OFF

Geoff · 11-10-2005, 09:31 PM

Midget of Death wrote:

Choatic Maelstrom,

Used to at Adept III have a 50% chance to cause Steal Breath on target....with a chance to spread to other members of the encounter. Well...I guess...GOD FORBID WE SOLO...that SoE decided that was too good and that us oh so uber and oh so powerful Warlock's should be nerfed yet again. Now the only thing this spell does is provides a debuff against Disease and Poison damage.

I havent logged in today...maybe they fixed it (HA HA HA HA)

But its nice to see that...while our breathren wizards keep getting better...we (the warlocks) keep getting the shaft... Thanks OH SO MUCH SoE

To all the trolls that want to blast me....well...ah...gee....how shall I phrase this in a nice way....shove it where the sun dont shine...if you dont play a warlock Shut up..you dont know what your talking about.

It would be nice to be able to solo as effectivly as most wizards do...not all of us can get groups all the time...oh well

/em RANT OFF

LU 16 was trhe single greatest Warlock update ever, miniscule ninja nerfs or not. I swear you guys just look for reasons to complain.

Tevilspek · 11-10-2005, 10:46 PM

Wow.. didn't notice that.
Gone is the 7% slow.
'Only' 7%, but still, figures.

Grimsore · 11-10-2005, 11:03 PM

lol, it wasn't a ninja nerf. They said exactly what the changed spell line now does. (Debuffs poison and disease.) I posted about the removal of the other effects here a few days ago (I play on test) and talked with a QA about it on test. He confirmed it was a intended change and not a bug. It's still a good spell we will use pretty much every fight and a lot of good changes did happen so I can live with it.

Crono1321 · 11-11-2005, 01:39 AM

Don't forget the hardcore loss in debuff it got...adept3 now does less than adept1 used to do. Pre: Adept 1 = 660 Adept 3 = 770 Post: Adept 3 = 616 YAY

DearthofWeal · 11-11-2005, 03:49 AM

Midget of Death wrote:
Choatic Maelstrom,

Used to at Adept III have a 50% chance to cause Steal Breath on target....with a chance to spread to other members of the encounter. Well...I guess...GOD FORBID WE SOLO...that SoE decided that was too good and that us oh so uber and oh so powerful Warlock's should be nerfed yet again. Now the only thing this spell does is provides a debuff against Disease and Poison damage.

I havent logged in today...maybe they fixed it (HA HA HA HA)

But its nice to see that...while our breathren wizards keep getting better...we (the warlocks) keep getting the shaft... Thanks OH SO MUCH SoE

To all the trolls that want to blast me....well...ah...gee....how shall I phrase this in a nice way....shove it where the sun dont shine...if you dont play a warlock Shut up..you dont know what your talking about.

It would be nice to be able to solo as effectivly as most wizards do...not all of us can get groups all the time...oh well

/em RANT OFF

Yeah, because us doing 12k DPS on 4-7 epicx2/4 encounters was COMPLETELY fair. Yeah, that's the ticket. Do you have ANY idea how game-unbalancing that was? It was comedy gold to watch the Matrix-style numbers FLY up with that Debuff. It gave warlocks a big ol' grin on their face, yes. Anybody who knows how to play their warlock will still pop around 2-3k dps without breaking a sweat on those encounters. And for the solo'ng?? You've got to be the single most terrible warlock in the game. Please keep sending your money to SOE but stop playing your warlock. Re-roll another class. It's comically easy to solo for a warlock. Here, let me give you a tip since you seem to not know how to play your class. DON'T OPEN WITH SKELETAL GRASP ON AE MOBS. Typical Solo'ng strat for Named non-caster mobs is as follows for your shortbus riding [Removed for Content]: Open with Devastation at 35m (3k dmg min). Hit Vulian Intrusion - Soul Blister (1k-1.5k dmg) - Thwart (1k- 1.5k dmg) - Dark Nebula (600-800 dmg) - Null Caress - Cower. Back up to whatever range you feel comfortable at. Repeat. So you're telling me that the ability to do 6k dmg to a mob in bursts and have it NEVER hit you means you can't solo? Wow, glad I don't have to group with you. Would hate having to tell you how to play your class. And I know I probably just fed the troll.

Midget of Death · 11-11-2005, 04:40 AM

Wow....TROLL ALERT...DearthofWealth=[Removed for Content]...there you go we both called each other names....yes I know how to solo...Ive done it from lvl 1 to 50 so dont try that nonsense. You dont know me...I am mearly frustrated by this change.

Morons like you are precisly why I normally dont post anything...why...because you feel the need to belittle people you dont know making comments that are bashing rather than helpful.

Thank you very much for reminding me why I dont post

DearthofWeal · 11-11-2005, 04:43 AM

Midget of Death wrote:

Wow....TROLL ALERT...DearthofWealth=[Removed for Content]...there you go we both called each other names....yes I know how to solo...Ive done it from lvl 1 to 50 so dont try that nonsense. You dont know me...I am mearly frustrated by this change.

Morons like you are precisly why I normally dont post anything...why...because you feel the need to belittle people you dont know making comments that are bashing rather than helpful.

Thank you very much for reminding me why I dont post

You're welcome.

Korpo · 11-11-2005, 09:06 AM

Midget of Death wrote:

Wow....TROLL ALERT...DearthofWealth=[Removed for Content]...there you go (comma) we both called each other names....yes (comma) I know how to solo...Ive done it from lvl 1 to 50 so dont try that nonsense. You dont know me...I am mearly frustrated by this change.

Morons like you are precisly why I normally dont post anything...why...because you feel the need to belittle people you dont know (by) making comments that are bashing (bashing is a present-tense verb, not an adjective) rather than helpful.

Thank you very much for reminding me why I dont post (period)

With how little you post, you'd think you could spend the time to check your post for spelling and grammar problems. Or just continue whining and sounding like a third grader, whatever floats your boat.

Tevilspek · 11-11-2005, 11:19 AM

Hi,
Like the posters above me, I have nothing constructive to add to this topic of discussion. So in an effort to big-note myself and derail a thread once more, I'll resort to just personally abusing the OP or anyone who disagrees with my opinion (hereby noted as the "only" opinion).
What a load of crock. Our main debuff get's changed so it has to be recast every half minute, loses it's slow effect and a chunk of its debuff effect, but that's totally cool? Want to climb any further up SoE's black hole of fanboidom?

Sokolov · 11-11-2005, 06:56 PM

!!! ALL NERFS ARE OF THE DEVIL! THE SECOND COMING OF THE GODS IS IMMINENT! Nerf-phobia at its best.

kr8ztwin · 11-11-2005, 09:04 PM

**REMOVED DUE TO INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT**

Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 01-03-2006 04:10 PM

Grimsore · 11-11-2005, 09:12 PM

Warlocks are a loving bunch. Fuzzy hugs all around!

nexus66 · 11-11-2005, 09:15 PM

Just a little note. Yes we got nerfed a bit on this, but it's now an Encounter based spell rather then a communicable disease single target. They neglected to change the color of the icon to green like the rest of our encounter spells, but none-the-less it says it right in the description that it effects entire encounters. Unfortunatly it doesn't keep refreshing itself like it used to, which sucks.. I haven't noticed a huge difference in damage with the new version of it, but on the other hand, I know what gear to get for my INT caster and damage has never been a problem.

Jaxyl - Befallen

Galap · 11-11-2005, 09:15 PM

Yeah, the cascading proc had to go. It was fun while it lasted, but it was insane. But they could have left some cough effect. Once they made it a group debuff, rather than an infectious one, they eliminated the cascade. They didn't need to eliminate the cough. Reducing it to 15-20% would make sense, since it was changed to a group debuff, rather than single target.

Korpo · 11-12-2005, 06:00 AM

kr8ztwin wrote: Ok just to add my 2 useless cents. Who gives a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]e if someone uses proper grammar and puncutation. Thats just ignorant and if you didn't get the point of his post then you are the one that needs to go back to school :smileywink:

Who gives a flip if the guy down the street likes to knock over the neighborhood mailboxes as he drives home drunk? That's just being a busybody and if you don't like it then you are the one that needs to move out of the neighborhood.

pharacyde · 11-14-2005, 06:26 AM

for your information it isn't a ninja nerf, it was announced, and the debuff is better then before. First the debuff was AT cast time 770 mit vs poison. But at the cough the debuff was 300-400 (cant remember the exact number) now we don't get the cough effect but a AE debuff of +/-660 vs poison. The total debuff is better.

11-10-2005, 09:16 PM	#1
Midget of Death Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	Choatic Maelstrom, Used to at Adept III have a 50% chance to cause Steal Breath on target....with a chance to spread to other members of the encounter. Well...I guess...GOD FORBID WE SOLO...that SoE decided that was too good and that us oh so uber and oh so powerful Warlock's should be nerfed yet again. Now the only thing this spell does is provides a debuff against Disease and Poison damage. I havent logged in today...maybe they fixed it (HA HA HA HA) But its nice to see that...while our breathren wizards keep getting better...we (the warlocks) keep getting the shaft... Thanks OH SO MUCH SoE To all the trolls that want to blast me....well...ah...gee....how shall I phrase this in a nice way....shove it where the sun dont shine...if you dont play a warlock Shut up..you dont know what your talking about. It would be nice to be able to solo as effectivly as most wizards do...not all of us can get groups all the time...oh well /em RANT OFF __________________ Im back....Im not the old me...Im the new me...at least I think Im me...am I me? yes I am...shut up....no...shut up..cant I just get along with me?!?! NO

11-10-2005, 09:31 PM	#2
Geoff General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 211	Midget of Death wrote: Choatic Maelstrom, Used to at Adept III have a 50% chance to cause Steal Breath on target....with a chance to spread to other members of the encounter. Well...I guess...GOD FORBID WE SOLO...that SoE decided that was too good and that us oh so uber and oh so powerful Warlock's should be nerfed yet again. Now the only thing this spell does is provides a debuff against Disease and Poison damage. I havent logged in today...maybe they fixed it (HA HA HA HA) But its nice to see that...while our breathren wizards keep getting better...we (the warlocks) keep getting the shaft... Thanks OH SO MUCH SoE To all the trolls that want to blast me....well...ah...gee....how shall I phrase this in a nice way....shove it where the sun dont shine...if you dont play a warlock Shut up..you dont know what your talking about. It would be nice to be able to solo as effectivly as most wizards do...not all of us can get groups all the time...oh well /em RANT OFF LU 16 was trhe single greatest Warlock update ever, miniscule ninja nerfs or not. I swear you guys just look for reasons to complain. __________________

11-10-2005, 10:46 PM	#3
Tevilspek Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 141	Wow.. didn't notice that. Gone is the 7% slow. 'Only' 7%, but still, figures. __________________ (Now on Naggy)

11-11-2005, 01:39 AM	#5
Crono1321 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 838	Don't forget the hardcore loss in debuff it got...adept3 now does less than adept1 used to do. Pre: Adept 1 = 660 Adept 3 = 770 Post: Adept 3 = 616 YAY __________________ Slips 70 Illusionist

11-11-2005, 03:49 AM	#6
DearthofWeal Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 36	Midget of Death wrote: Choatic Maelstrom, Used to at Adept III have a 50% chance to cause Steal Breath on target....with a chance to spread to other members of the encounter. Well...I guess...GOD FORBID WE SOLO...that SoE decided that was too good and that us oh so uber and oh so powerful Warlock's should be nerfed yet again. Now the only thing this spell does is provides a debuff against Disease and Poison damage. I havent logged in today...maybe they fixed it (HA HA HA HA) But its nice to see that...while our breathren wizards keep getting better...we (the warlocks) keep getting the shaft... Thanks OH SO MUCH SoE To all the trolls that want to blast me....well...ah...gee....how shall I phrase this in a nice way....shove it where the sun dont shine...if you dont play a warlock Shut up..you dont know what your talking about. It would be nice to be able to solo as effectivly as most wizards do...not all of us can get groups all the time...oh well /em RANT OFF Yeah, because us doing 12k DPS on 4-7 epicx2/4 encounters was COMPLETELY fair. Yeah, that's the ticket. Do you have ANY idea how game-unbalancing that was? It was comedy gold to watch the Matrix-style numbers FLY up with that Debuff. It gave warlocks a big ol' grin on their face, yes. Anybody who knows how to play their warlock will still pop around 2-3k dps without breaking a sweat on those encounters. And for the solo'ng?? You've got to be the single most terrible warlock in the game. Please keep sending your money to SOE but stop playing your warlock. Re-roll another class. It's comically easy to solo for a warlock. Here, let me give you a tip since you seem to not know how to play your class. DON'T OPEN WITH SKELETAL GRASP ON AE MOBS. Typical Solo'ng strat for Named non-caster mobs is as follows for your shortbus riding [Removed for Content]: Open with Devastation at 35m (3k dmg min). Hit Vulian Intrusion - Soul Blister (1k-1.5k dmg) - Thwart (1k- 1.5k dmg) - Dark Nebula (600-800 dmg) - Null Caress - Cower. Back up to whatever range you feel comfortable at. Repeat. So you're telling me that the ability to do 6k dmg to a mob in bursts and have it NEVER hit you means you can't solo? Wow, glad I don't have to group with you. Would hate having to tell you how to play your class. And I know I probably just fed the troll.

11-10-2005, 11:03 PM	#4
Grimsore Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 114	lol, it wasn't a ninja nerf. They said exactly what the changed spell line now does. (Debuffs poison and disease.) I posted about the removal of the other effects here a few days ago (I play on test) and talked with a QA about it on test. He confirmed it was a intended change and not a bug. It's still a good spell we will use pretty much every fight and a lot of good changes did happen so I can live with it.

11-11-2005, 04:40 AM	#7
Midget of Death Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	Wow....TROLL ALERT...DearthofWealth=[Removed for Content]...there you go we both called each other names....yes I know how to solo...Ive done it from lvl 1 to 50 so dont try that nonsense. You dont know me...I am mearly frustrated by this change. Morons like you are precisly why I normally dont post anything...why...because you feel the need to belittle people you dont know making comments that are bashing rather than helpful. Thank you very much for reminding me why I dont post __________________ Im back....Im not the old me...Im the new me...at least I think Im me...am I me? yes I am...shut up....no...shut up..cant I just get along with me?!?! NO

11-11-2005, 04:43 AM	#8
DearthofWeal Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 36	Midget of Death wrote: Wow....TROLL ALERT...DearthofWealth=[Removed for Content]...there you go we both called each other names....yes I know how to solo...Ive done it from lvl 1 to 50 so dont try that nonsense. You dont know me...I am mearly frustrated by this change. Morons like you are precisly why I normally dont post anything...why...because you feel the need to belittle people you dont know making comments that are bashing rather than helpful. Thank you very much for reminding me why I dont post You're welcome.

11-11-2005, 09:06 AM	#9
Korpo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,141	Midget of Death wrote: Wow....TROLL ALERT...DearthofWealth=[Removed for Content]...there you go (comma) we both called each other names....yes (comma) I know how to solo...Ive done it from lvl 1 to 50 so dont try that nonsense. You dont know me...I am mearly frustrated by this change. Morons like you are precisly why I normally dont post anything...why...because you feel the need to belittle people you dont know (by) making comments that are bashing (bashing is a present-tense verb, not an adjective) rather than helpful. Thank you very much for reminding me why I dont post (period) With how little you post, you'd think you could spend the time to check your post for spelling and grammar problems. Or just continue whining and sounding like a third grader, whatever floats your boat. __________________

11-11-2005, 11:19 AM	#10
Tevilspek Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 141	Hi, Like the posters above me, I have nothing constructive to add to this topic of discussion. So in an effort to big-note myself and derail a thread once more, I'll resort to just personally abusing the OP or anyone who disagrees with my opinion (hereby noted as the "only" opinion). What a load of crock. Our main debuff get's changed so it has to be recast every half minute, loses it's slow effect and a chunk of its debuff effect, but that's totally cool? Want to climb any further up SoE's black hole of fanboidom? __________________ (Now on Naggy)

11-11-2005, 06:56 PM	#11
Sokolov Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,357	!!! ALL NERFS ARE OF THE DEVIL! THE SECOND COMING OF THE GODS IS IMMINENT! Nerf-phobia at its best. __________________ [] Sokolov - New Outriders [] [] Maridith(70 Defiler) Sokolov (70 Jeweler) Loklan(57 Zerker) Rebekah(47 Ranger) [] Healing Guide - Version 0.5 Fate has perfect wings

11-11-2005, 09:04 PM	#12
kr8ztwin Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 132	REMOVED DUE TO INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 01-03-2006 04:10 PM __________________

11-11-2005, 09:12 PM	#13
Grimsore Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 114	Warlocks are a loving bunch. Fuzzy hugs all around!

11-11-2005, 09:15 PM	#14
nexus66 General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3	Just a little note. Yes we got nerfed a bit on this, but it's now an Encounter based spell rather then a communicable disease single target. They neglected to change the color of the icon to green like the rest of our encounter spells, but none-the-less it says it right in the description that it effects entire encounters. Unfortunatly it doesn't keep refreshing itself like it used to, which sucks.. I haven't noticed a huge difference in damage with the new version of it, but on the other hand, I know what gear to get for my INT caster and damage has never been a problem. Jaxyl - Befallen

11-11-2005, 09:15 PM	#15
Galap Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 14	Yeah, the cascading proc had to go. It was fun while it lasted, but it was insane. But they could have left some cough effect. Once they made it a group debuff, rather than an infectious one, they eliminated the cascade. They didn't need to eliminate the cough. Reducing it to 15-20% would make sense, since it was changed to a group debuff, rather than single target.

11-12-2005, 06:00 AM	#16
Korpo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,141	kr8ztwin wrote: Ok just to add my 2 useless cents. Who gives a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]e if someone uses proper grammar and puncutation. Thats just ignorant and if you didn't get the point of his post then you are the one that needs to go back to school :smileywink: Who gives a flip if the guy down the street likes to knock over the neighborhood mailboxes as he drives home drunk? That's just being a busybody and if you don't like it then you are the one that needs to move out of the neighborhood. __________________

11-14-2005, 06:26 AM	#17
pharacyde Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 308	for your information it isn't a ninja nerf, it was announced, and the debuff is better then before. First the debuff was AT cast time 770 mit vs poison. But at the cough the debuff was 300-400 (cant remember the exact number) now we don't get the cough effect but a AE debuff of +/-660 vs poison. The total debuff is better. __________________