SK Mythical vs Berserker Mythical - obvious imbalance

Phank · 05-08-2008, 03:23 PM

I feel this is comparing apples with apples here. Both Effects come from Plate Fighter Mythicals. Both Effects end result is hate gained.

Berserker with Dragon's Temper equipped will regen health without effort, without using Power, without relying on a proc to gain hate.

Shadowknights using Bloodmoon, on the other hand, have to reply on Seething Hatred to proc, then once on have to use Power casting Lifetaps (or CAs for Grim Strike, Reaver.) Hate is only gained with the SK if not at full health. For a good majority of SKs raiding Kunark, they are not in a tanking role most of the time. Therefore, the Effect is useless. In a crunch, spike damage does not for Seething Hatred unless the SK is purposefully taking damage via various gear procs that will drain life from SK only to regain life and hatred via lifetaps/Seething Hatred. This is a very complex set of variables in order for the Shadowknight to gain hate.

Suggestion for fix: Have Seething Hatred be a permanent effect -OR- have the DAMAGE from lifetaps be applied as hate to targets.

Tiberuis · 05-08-2008, 04:08 PM

Why would you want your Mythical Class Weapon Ability to work all the time like the other plate tank classes?

Why are you not happy with your Mythical Class Weapon Ability only working off a percentage proc chance?

j/k

/sigh

Just further evidence of how gimped we are on itemization, just another catagory to rate us dead last place, amoungst plate tanks, in.

seamus · 05-08-2008, 05:04 PM

Phank wrote:

I feel this is comparing apples with apples here. Both Effects come from Plate Fighter Mythicals. Both Effects end result is hate gained.
Berserker with Dragon's Temper equipped will regen health without effort, without using Power, without relying on a proc to gain hate.
Shadowknights using Bloodmoon, on the other hand, have to reply on Seething Hatred to proc, then once on have to use Power casting Lifetaps (or CAs for Grim Strike, Reaver.) Hate is only gained with the SK if not at full health. For a good majority of SKs raiding Kunark, they are not in a tanking role most of the time. Therefore, the Effect is useless. In a crunch, spike damage does not for Seething Hatred unless the SK is purposefully taking damage via various gear procs that will drain life from SK only to regain life and hatred via lifetaps/Seething Hatred. This is a very complex set of variables in order for the Shadowknight to gain hate.
Suggestion for fix: Have Seething Hatred be a permanent effect -OR- have the DAMAGE from lifetaps be applied as hate to targets.

[Removed for Content] was I thinking?

I'd suggest comparing the SK mythical with the Guardian mythical. The Guardian mythical is ... perfect. It makes the best plate tank in the game mucho grande.

Phank · 05-13-2008, 01:47 AM

I guess nobody else cared to voice their disgust, again, with this comparison.

Jurmoon · 05-13-2008, 09:19 AM

Phank wrote:

I guess nobody else cared to voice their disgust, again, with this comparison.

A) We can complain all we want. Nobody cares.

B) An overwhelming majority of Shadowknights will never see their mythical weapon because we aren't welcome on raids.

Bowser · 05-13-2008, 05:39 PM

Why would they not just make this a passive ability?

Phank · 05-14-2008, 12:00 PM

Passive ability would help with the problem, but changing it from health returned from lifetap to damage from lifetap would make it much more in line with Berserker. As I said, unless the SK is using other means (Bloodthirsty Choker, etc.) to lose health on raid they aren't going to work up the hate list on raid with this worthless Effect.

The effect does ZERO for a raiding SK, and isn't that right in line with all of our other abilities... total rubbish.

Pimmy · 05-14-2008, 01:40 PM

Its unbelievable how crappy they made our Mythical epic. :/

Tiberuis · 06-23-2008, 01:24 AM

The latest from EQ2 Stratics Interview :

Venom - When are the mythicals being revamped? Ilucide - We're looking at making some tweaks to the mythical epics in 47. I'm not able to give you specifics regarding what exactly will change at this time, but that's our current plan. So stay tuned! SMILEY

Interesting...

05-08-2008, 05:04 PM	#3
seamus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 193	Phank wrote: I feel this is comparing apples with apples here. Both Effects come from Plate Fighter Mythicals. Both Effects end result is hate gained. Berserker with Dragon's Temper equipped will regen health without effort, without using Power, without relying on a proc to gain hate. Shadowknights using Bloodmoon, on the other hand, have to reply on Seething Hatred to proc, then once on have to use Power casting Lifetaps (or CAs for Grim Strike, Reaver.) Hate is only gained with the SK if not at full health. For a good majority of SKs raiding Kunark, they are not in a tanking role most of the time. Therefore, the Effect is useless. In a crunch, spike damage does not for Seething Hatred unless the SK is purposefully taking damage via various gear procs that will drain life from SK only to regain life and hatred via lifetaps/Seething Hatred. This is a very complex set of variables in order for the Shadowknight to gain hate. Suggestion for fix: Have Seething Hatred be a permanent effect -OR- have the DAMAGE from lifetaps be applied as hate to targets. [Removed for Content] was I thinking? I'd suggest comparing the SK mythical with the Guardian mythical. The Guardian mythical is ... perfect. It makes the best plate tank in the game mucho grande. __________________ Asus Rampage Formula Intel Core2Quad QX9650 @ 3.3GHz Corsair H50 GSkill 4x2GB DDR2 F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ @ 5-5-5-12 Corsair 750HX PSU Sapphire Vapor-X 5870 Auzentech X-Fi Forte 7.1 Klipsch Promedia GMX A-2.1 Denon AHD2000 Headphones Intel X-25M 160GB SSD ASUS DRW-2014L1T SATA SILVERSTONE TJ-03 Case (Modified) Microsoft Windows 7 X64

05-13-2008, 09:19 AM	#5
Jurmoon Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	Phank wrote: I guess nobody else cared to voice their disgust, again, with this comparison. A) We can complain all we want. Nobody cares. B) An overwhelming majority of Shadowknights will never see their mythical weapon because we aren't welcome on raids.

05-14-2008, 01:40 PM	#8
Pimmy Server: Splitpaw Guild: Amenta Rank: Alt's Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 79	Its unbelievable how crappy they made our Mythical epic. :/ __________________ Pikku (90 Coercer/Jeweler) Pimmy (90 Shadow Knight/Alchemist/Adorner) Nysse (90 Warden/Sage) Rutto (90 Defiler) Varjotar (90 Troubador) Villi (Beastlord) Splitpaw server

06-23-2008, 01:24 AM	#9
Tiberuis Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 205	The latest from EQ2 Stratics Interview : Venom - When are the mythicals being revamped? Ilucide - We're looking at making some tweaks to the mythical epics in 47. I'm not able to give you specifics regarding what exactly will change at this time, but that's our current plan. So stay tuned! Interesting...

05-08-2008, 03:23 PM	#1
Phank Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 275	I feel this is comparing apples with apples here. Both Effects come from Plate Fighter Mythicals. Both Effects end result is hate gained. Berserker with Dragon's Temper equipped will regen health without effort, without using Power, without relying on a proc to gain hate. Shadowknights using Bloodmoon, on the other hand, have to reply on Seething Hatred to proc, then once on have to use Power casting Lifetaps (or CAs for Grim Strike, Reaver.) Hate is only gained with the SK if not at full health. For a good majority of SKs raiding Kunark, they are not in a tanking role most of the time. Therefore, the Effect is useless. In a crunch, spike damage does not for Seething Hatred unless the SK is purposefully taking damage via various gear procs that will drain life from SK only to regain life and hatred via lifetaps/Seething Hatred. This is a very complex set of variables in order for the Shadowknight to gain hate. Suggestion for fix: Have Seething Hatred be a permanent effect -OR- have the DAMAGE from lifetaps be applied as hate to targets.

05-08-2008, 04:08 PM	#2
Tiberuis Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 205	Why would you want your Mythical Class Weapon Ability to work all the time like the other plate tank classes? Why are you not happy with your Mythical Class Weapon Ability only working off a percentage proc chance? j/k /sigh Just further evidence of how gimped we are on itemization, just another catagory to rate us dead last place, amoungst plate tanks, in.

05-13-2008, 01:47 AM	#4
Phank Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 275	I guess nobody else cared to voice their disgust, again, with this comparison.

05-13-2008, 05:39 PM	#6
Bowser Lord Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 34	Why would they not just make this a passive ability?

05-14-2008, 12:00 PM	#7
Phank Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 275	Passive ability would help with the problem, but changing it from health returned from lifetap to damage from lifetap would make it much more in line with Berserker. As I said, unless the SK is using other means (Bloodthirsty Choker, etc.) to lose health on raid they aren't going to work up the hate list on raid with this worthless Effect. The effect does ZERO for a raiding SK, and isn't that right in line with all of our other abilities... total rubbish.