Guild Amenities

Whilhelmina · 10-22-2012, 07:13 PM

The Guild Hall Prophet costs 1p 100 000 sp to buy and 2p 100 000 sp to upkeep, seems like a bug to me. Should be 2g 5000 sp to maintain to be on par with others with the same cost.Didn't expect the NPC to sell altars tbh. Guild level 94 prerequisite is a bit harsh imo.

Didn't see the chronomage amenity.

(bought standard bearer and prophet for HoT hall in Gorowyn)

Gninja · 10-23-2012, 02:59 AM

Will check on the Chronomage amenity.

Will double check pricing.

There appears to be an issue with the altars where only the person who places it can use it. I will also be looking into fixing this.

Maergoth · 10-23-2012, 02:54 PM

Gninja bro. We need stronger training dummies. Even if it means having to guild level to get them, please. These die in like, 10 seconds for our DPS classes. No way to test new abilities to their fullest without a dummy that can live long enough.

Give them like, 10x as much HP at least.

Also if it could be a mob with no buff packages or anything that auto attacks for a modifiable 100 every second, that would make testing even easier.

Mermut · 10-23-2012, 03:03 PM

Maergoth@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gninja bro. We need stronger training dummies. Even if it means having to guild level to get them, please. These die in like, 10 seconds for our DPS classes. No way to test new abilities to their fullest without a dummy that can live long enough.
Give them like, 10x as much HP at least.

If you right-click on the box you can pick what strength of combat dummy you can get. Solo, heroic and epic.

Maergoth · 10-23-2012, 03:04 PM

Oh REALLY?

I meant the epic dummies die in 10 seconds. We need stronger ones.

Shotneedle · 10-23-2012, 10:06 PM

Lol'd. Yeah. Can we get a dummy with 100 or 1000x the hp of the current epic dummy. And an encounter of 8 with the same.

Gladiolus · 10-24-2012, 03:51 AM

Gninja wrote:

Will check on the Chronomage amenity.

Now that sounds interesting! What's needed for that?

Whilhelmina · 10-24-2012, 10:16 AM

Another note: the standards said in the merchant window that they needed a 95 to 100 guild to be available for purchase. Why this "guild between 95 and 100" part? If guild happens to have cap raised to 105 in the future, you'll have to run backwards through those items to make them available again to guilds 100+. Better get it straight now than having to find the problem in a couple of years.

KenCoop · 10-24-2012, 07:32 PM

Buffrat@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Lol'd. Yeah. Can we get a dummy with 100 or 1000x the hp of the current epic dummy. And an encounter of 8 with the same.

+1 to this.

It would be really nice to actually be able to accurately parse my DPS on a single target encounter. When they are dead in ~20 sec and you have to throw multiple epic dummies up there is just way too much variablity in the parses (even with singular focus on). There is no reason to even debuff the current dummies because they would be dead in just over the time in takes you to get all your dets on them if you were just pushing hard on your dps.

Alenna · 10-24-2012, 08:00 PM

Maergoth@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gninja bro. We need stronger training dummies. Even if it means having to guild level to get them, please. These die in like, 10 seconds for our DPS classes. No way to test new abilities to their fullest without a dummy that can live long enough.
Give them like, 10x as much HP at least.
Also if it could be a mob with no buff packages or anything that auto attacks for a modifiable 100 every second, that would make testing even easier.

are you using the normal or the epic training dummies

KenCoop · 10-24-2012, 08:56 PM

Alenna@Guk wrote:

Maergoth@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Gninja bro. We need stronger training dummies. Even if it means having to guild level to get them, please. These die in like, 10 seconds for our DPS classes. No way to test new abilities to their fullest without a dummy that can live long enough.
Give them like, 10x as much HP at least.
Also if it could be a mob with no buff packages or anything that auto attacks for a modifiable 100 every second, that would make testing even easier.
are you using the normal or the epic training dummies

I am sure everyone in Equilibrium uses the Epic dummies, as they would likely 1 shot the heroic ones. (but I don't mean to speak for them of course)

For example, if I am doing ~500k on an Epic dummy it dies in about 25 sec. If I am trying to work on my rotation on a single target fight it makes it very difficult because I have to throw up multiple dummies and swap between them in order to continue the fight, and that just increases variability between the parses.

Most dps in Equilibrium or Revelations or whatever top guild are doing substantially more than I am, so I would imagine that they have an even more difficult time because the dummies just die too quickly, and you can't apply debuffs etc because they are dead before you have time to go through your regular rotation you would use on a named fight.

If the devs would just add a lvl 100 dummy that had somewhere around 250-500 million hp it would be good for solo, but would still not really be enough for a group to practice on. Really though, I don't think that is as much of an issue though, as it would just be really nice to get something for solo practice, and I don't see many groups wanting to take the time outside of raid to work on rotation, etc. (would be nice, and maybe it's just me, but I don't see that happening). Preferably, they could create a dummy that had a modifiable amount of hp, but that's likely a pipe dream because I am not sure they would want to take the time to code that.

Gninja · 10-25-2012, 01:26 PM

Looks like Omougi is hooking you guys up with some cooler dummy options. Stay tuned SMILEY

I still haven't figured out why the chronomage amenity is not showing up. But I am working on it.

The Deity Altars should now be usable by anyone if its placed in a guildhall not just the person who placed it.

Daalilama · 10-25-2012, 01:58 PM

Gninja wrote:

Looks like Omougi is hooking you guys up with some cooler dummy options. Stay tuned
I still haven't figured out why the chronomage amenity is not showing up. But I am working on it.
The Deity Altars should now be usable by anyone if its placed in a guildhall not just the person who placed it.

Gninja is the man!

ZUES · 10-25-2012, 03:28 PM

For lower level guilds we have to leave the guild hall just to check our mail. Seriously, who is going to waste an amenity slot on a mailbox? Gninja.... hint hint, hudge nudge!

Whilhelmina · 10-25-2012, 04:18 PM

Chronomage made it. It's requiring a level 92 guild and asking for the same buggy prices as the prophet.

Prophet could be bought at 90 but altars need 94 to 100 so I'm confused. Shouldn't the ability by itself require the 94 level?

Saninya · 10-28-2012, 11:30 AM

Any chance in getting a Reforger for the Guild hall as well It would be Great for us folks that are on a PvP server for sure

Gninja · 10-28-2012, 02:09 PM

Yes, the amenities themselves should be predicated. Chronomage at 92 and Prophet at 94. I had to get a code request to make the prophet work so I just need to hook it up sometime today. The new standards should not be buyable until 95.

Gninja · 10-28-2012, 02:09 PM

Sorry, we have no plans of moving the reforger to the guildhalls at this time.

Saninya · 10-28-2012, 09:03 PM

Ok is there anyway we can move them to a non-pvp zone then ? it's really a pain in the a$$ when we try and reforge and have money on us and we die .

ZUES · 10-29-2012, 11:48 AM

Mailboxes. Free. Please.

Solarax · 11-05-2012, 02:31 PM

Buffrat@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Lol'd. Yeah. Can we get a dummy with 100 or 1000x the hp of the current epic dummy. And an encounter of 8 with the same.

personally i would like to see them customizable

the ability to indicate how much HP you want and how much resistance and number in encounter

macStuibhart · 11-09-2012, 05:32 PM

Can't you just use an item slot to put one in that you buy for status or do we have to use the amenity one?

Whilhelmina · 11-10-2012, 12:19 PM

The prices on the chronomage and prophet are still off rent-wise.

Daryx · 11-12-2012, 07:18 PM

Why are the new amenities restricted based on guild level? The only restriction we've got now is for the decorations. The other types are all based on whether or not you have space and can afford it. I don't see any difference between us currently being able to have different writ amenities (adventuring and two tradeskilll) for example and the new chronomage amenity. What gives?

Whilhelmina · 11-12-2012, 08:18 PM

Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:

The Guild Hall Prophet costs 1p 100 000 sp to buy and 2p 100 000 sp to upkeep, seems like a bug to me. Should be 2g 5000 sp to maintain to be on par with others with the same cost.

Still the case today.

10-22-2012, 07:13 PM	#1
Whilhelmina Server: Storms Guild: Les Furies d Innoruuk Rank: Matriarches Tester Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Storms) Posts: 3,161	The Guild Hall Prophet costs 1p 100 000 sp to buy and 2p 100 000 sp to upkeep, seems like a bug to me. Should be 2g 5000 sp to maintain to be on par with others with the same cost.Didn't expect the NPC to sell altars tbh. Guild level 94 prerequisite is a bit harsh imo. Didn't see the chronomage amenity. (bought standard bearer and prophet for HoT hall in Gorowyn) __________________ French Tradeskill Guide and my houses.

10-23-2012, 02:54 PM	#3
Maergoth Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 733	Gninja bro. We need stronger training dummies. Even if it means having to guild level to get them, please. These die in like, 10 seconds for our DPS classes. No way to test new abilities to their fullest without a dummy that can live long enough. Give them like, 10x as much HP at least. Also if it could be a mob with no buff packages or anything that auto attacks for a modifiable 100 every second, that would make testing even easier. __________________ Jaraxx tells you, 'Why did you die? Man up. Ask for DI from your priests' You tell Jaraxx, 'I had a "save" running..' http://tinyurl.com/PaladinFeedback

10-23-2012, 03:03 PM	#4
Mermut Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 852	Maergoth@Antonia Bayle wrote: Gninja bro. We need stronger training dummies. Even if it means having to guild level to get them, please. These die in like, 10 seconds for our DPS classes. No way to test new abilities to their fullest without a dummy that can live long enough. Give them like, 10x as much HP at least. If you right-click on the box you can pick what strength of combat dummy you can get. Solo, heroic and epic. __________________ I'm willing to suspend my disbelief, But not hang it by the neck until dead.

10-23-2012, 03:04 PM	#5
Maergoth Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 733	Oh REALLY? I meant the epic dummies die in 10 seconds. We need stronger ones. __________________ Jaraxx tells you, 'Why did you die? Man up. Ask for DI from your priests' You tell Jaraxx, 'I had a "save" running..' http://tinyurl.com/PaladinFeedback

10-23-2012, 10:06 PM	#6
Shotneedle Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 695	Lol'd. Yeah. Can we get a dummy with 100 or 1000x the hp of the current epic dummy. And an encounter of 8 with the same. __________________ Buffratx - 92 Beastlord - AB Buffrat - 92 Troubador - AB Arbitrat - 92 Berserker - AB Guarddog - 92 Warden - AB

10-23-2012, 02:59 AM	#2
Gninja The Dev Gnome Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	Will check on the Chronomage amenity. Will double check pricing. There appears to be an issue with the altars where only the person who places it can use it. I will also be looking into fixing this.

10-24-2012, 03:51 AM	#7
Gladiolus Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 873	Gninja wrote: Will check on the Chronomage amenity. Now that sounds interesting! What's needed for that?

10-24-2012, 10:16 AM	#8
Whilhelmina Server: Storms Guild: Les Furies d Innoruuk Rank: Matriarches Tester Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Storms) Posts: 3,161	Another note: the standards said in the merchant window that they needed a 95 to 100 guild to be available for purchase. Why this "guild between 95 and 100" part? If guild happens to have cap raised to 105 in the future, you'll have to run backwards through those items to make them available again to guilds 100+. Better get it straight now than having to find the problem in a couple of years. __________________ French Tradeskill Guide and my houses.

10-24-2012, 07:32 PM	#9
KenCoop Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 74	Buffrat@Antonia Bayle wrote: Lol'd. Yeah. Can we get a dummy with 100 or 1000x the hp of the current epic dummy. And an encounter of 8 with the same. +1 to this. It would be really nice to actually be able to accurately parse my DPS on a single target encounter. When they are dead in ~20 sec and you have to throw multiple epic dummies up there is just way too much variablity in the parses (even with singular focus on). There is no reason to even debuff the current dummies because they would be dead in just over the time in takes you to get all your dets on them if you were just pushing hard on your dps.

10-24-2012, 08:00 PM	#10
Alenna Server: Guk Guild: Defenders of the Light Rank: Count Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,938	Maergoth@Antonia Bayle wrote: Gninja bro. We need stronger training dummies. Even if it means having to guild level to get them, please. These die in like, 10 seconds for our DPS classes. No way to test new abilities to their fullest without a dummy that can live long enough. Give them like, 10x as much HP at least. Also if it could be a mob with no buff packages or anything that auto attacks for a modifiable 100 every second, that would make testing even easier. are you using the normal or the epic training dummies __________________

10-24-2012, 08:56 PM	#11
KenCoop Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 74	Alenna@Guk wrote: Maergoth@Antonia Bayle wrote: Gninja bro. We need stronger training dummies. Even if it means having to guild level to get them, please. These die in like, 10 seconds for our DPS classes. No way to test new abilities to their fullest without a dummy that can live long enough. Give them like, 10x as much HP at least. Also if it could be a mob with no buff packages or anything that auto attacks for a modifiable 100 every second, that would make testing even easier. are you using the normal or the epic training dummies I am sure everyone in Equilibrium uses the Epic dummies, as they would likely 1 shot the heroic ones. (but I don't mean to speak for them of course) For example, if I am doing ~500k on an Epic dummy it dies in about 25 sec. If I am trying to work on my rotation on a single target fight it makes it very difficult because I have to throw up multiple dummies and swap between them in order to continue the fight, and that just increases variability between the parses. Most dps in Equilibrium or Revelations or whatever top guild are doing substantially more than I am, so I would imagine that they have an even more difficult time because the dummies just die too quickly, and you can't apply debuffs etc because they are dead before you have time to go through your regular rotation you would use on a named fight. If the devs would just add a lvl 100 dummy that had somewhere around 250-500 million hp it would be good for solo, but would still not really be enough for a group to practice on. Really though, I don't think that is as much of an issue though, as it would just be really nice to get something for solo practice, and I don't see many groups wanting to take the time outside of raid to work on rotation, etc. (would be nice, and maybe it's just me, but I don't see that happening). Preferably, they could create a dummy that had a modifiable amount of hp, but that's likely a pipe dream because I am not sure they would want to take the time to code that.

10-25-2012, 01:26 PM	#12
Gninja The Dev Gnome Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	Looks like Omougi is hooking you guys up with some cooler dummy options. Stay tuned I still haven't figured out why the chronomage amenity is not showing up. But I am working on it. The Deity Altars should now be usable by anyone if its placed in a guildhall not just the person who placed it.

10-25-2012, 01:58 PM	#13
Daalilama Server: Nagafen Guild: Illuminati Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 437	Gninja wrote: Looks like Omougi is hooking you guys up with some cooler dummy options. Stay tuned I still haven't figured out why the chronomage amenity is not showing up. But I am working on it. The Deity Altars should now be usable by anyone if its placed in a guildhall not just the person who placed it. Gninja is the man!

10-25-2012, 03:28 PM	#14
ZUES Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 814	For lower level guilds we have to leave the guild hall just to check our mail. Seriously, who is going to waste an amenity slot on a mailbox? Gninja.... hint hint, hudge nudge!

10-25-2012, 04:18 PM	#15
Whilhelmina Server: Storms Guild: Les Furies d Innoruuk Rank: Matriarches Tester Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Storms) Posts: 3,161	Chronomage made it. It's requiring a level 92 guild and asking for the same buggy prices as the prophet. Prophet could be bought at 90 but altars need 94 to 100 so I'm confused. Shouldn't the ability by itself require the 94 level? __________________ French Tradeskill Guide and my houses.

10-28-2012, 11:30 AM	#16
Saninya Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4	Any chance in getting a Reforger for the Guild hall as well It would be Great for us folks that are on a PvP server for sure

10-28-2012, 02:09 PM	#17
Gninja The Dev Gnome Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	Yes, the amenities themselves should be predicated. Chronomage at 92 and Prophet at 94. I had to get a code request to make the prophet work so I just need to hook it up sometime today. The new standards should not be buyable until 95.

10-28-2012, 09:03 PM	#19
Saninya Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4	Ok is there anyway we can move them to a non-pvp zone then ? it's really a pain in the a$$ when we try and reforge and have money on us and we die .

10-29-2012, 11:48 AM	#20
ZUES Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 814	Mailboxes. Free. Please.

11-05-2012, 02:31 PM	#21
Solarax Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 487	Buffrat@Antonia Bayle wrote: Lol'd. Yeah. Can we get a dummy with 100 or 1000x the hp of the current epic dummy. And an encounter of 8 with the same. personally i would like to see them customizable the ability to indicate how much HP you want and how much resistance and number in encounter

11-09-2012, 05:32 PM	#22
macStuibhart Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8	Can't you just use an item slot to put one in that you buy for status or do we have to use the amenity one?

11-10-2012, 12:19 PM	#23
Whilhelmina Server: Storms Guild: Les Furies d Innoruuk Rank: Matriarches Tester Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Storms) Posts: 3,161	The prices on the chronomage and prophet are still off rent-wise. __________________ French Tradeskill Guide and my houses.

11-12-2012, 07:18 PM	#24
Daryx Server: Oasis Guild: Ardagh Chalice Rank: Chieftain Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 211	Why are the new amenities restricted based on guild level? The only restriction we've got now is for the decorations. The other types are all based on whether or not you have space and can afford it. I don't see any difference between us currently being able to have different writ amenities (adventuring and two tradeskilll) for example and the new chronomage amenity. What gives?

11-12-2012, 08:18 PM	#25
Whilhelmina Server: Storms Guild: Les Furies d Innoruuk Rank: Matriarches Tester Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Storms) Posts: 3,161	Whilhelmina@Storms wrote: The Guild Hall Prophet costs 1p 100 000 sp to buy and 2p 100 000 sp to upkeep, seems like a bug to me. Should be 2g 5000 sp to maintain to be on par with others with the same cost. Still the case today. __________________ French Tradeskill Guide and my houses.