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10-12-2012, 10:51 AM | #1 |
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I've recently come back to playing after over a year away and am looking for some feedback on some of the healing classes at the late stages of the game. I am trying to decide on which healing class to play. I know this may be frowned on but I'm to use the W word here very quickly....I'm looking for a class that is similar to the Holy Paladin from Warcraft. First question is what is the demand like for certain healing classes in Velious groups? Are some classes like Templars or Wardens sought after more then the others? Or do groups look more towards Furies/Inquisitors for the added DPS they can bring? Second question is which healing class has the best healing throughput at 92? Templar, Inquisitor and Warden classes have caught my eye. I am primarily looking for a pure healer. Thanks in advance for the advice. |
10-12-2012, 01:24 PM | #2 |
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I haven't played WoW, so I can't compare any of the healer classes to it. Templars/Inquisitors (clerics) wear plate and thier primary heals are 'reactives' (cast before damage, each time the target gets damaged they're healed a set amount and use up one trigger of the reactive). Defiler/Mytics (shaman) wear chain and their primary heals are 'wards' (cast before damage, absorbs damage until the ward is used up, no damage to target unless ward is used up or expires). Wardens/Furies (druids) wear leather and their primary heals are Heals over Time (HoTs). It is also best to cast these before damage happens, so heals are already incoming on the group, but they heal an amount initially and then another (usually smaller amount) every x amount of time for a set duration. All of the healers (except warden who has only HoTs) also have direct heals that are just straight up one-time damage heals. Inquissies, wardens and mystics are all designed (based on AAs) to be melee priests. They proc extra heals/wards/hots as well as damage on melee hits. Defilers and furies can also get in on the melee hit = heal/ward/hot if they spec for it. Many healers have debuffs to weaken the mobs and all healers should do at least SOME damage, even if it's just getting up close enough to bonk them on the head with a stick (ie hit them with your melee weapon). Since many of the healer classes actually proc heals and such by doing damage.. even less reason to just stand in the back and heal/cure 'when needed'. |
10-12-2012, 02:35 PM | #3 |
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For high end grouping/raiding... Inquisitor, Warden, Mystic. Most raids only have 1 Fury and their job is to solo heal the mage group. Inquisitors are hugely popular because of their great ability to cure (mythical cure = OP). Mystics are also great because of their awesome wards and offensive buffs for the group (and defensive buffs for the tank). Wardens are great healers and have many death-prevent spells, so usually you'll only see 1 in a raid (MT, or OT group). For the most part, most raiding guilds usually put 1 inquisitor in each group (except a lot of the times the mage group only has 1 healer, the Fury). Inquis usually gets paired with a Mystic. Defilers are good too, but it seems Mystics are a more popular choice in raids. Nobody wants a templar. Hey, I just call it like I sees em! |
10-12-2012, 03:39 PM | #4 |
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Yoda331 wrote:
Templar.
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10-12-2012, 04:11 PM | #5 |
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Never played nor dealt with a holy paladin in WoW, I like to beat things up too much but as far as "pure healer" goes, I think Templar is the closest thing I think Eq2 has to a pure healer, though obviously healing isn't the only thing they do. I am of and have always been of the opinion, if healing is the only thing you are going to do no matter what, someone else might as well have brought along a boxed heal bot =). |
10-12-2012, 04:26 PM | #6 |
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Buffrat@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Yep. If you are wanting a healer *just* like a holy paladin, you are going to be sorely disappointed. Inquisitor is the cleric that many raid groups tend want more of. Templar used to be 'the' raid healer desired, but kind of got left out of this expansion's Dev Love. When you get to end-game with the old mythical weapon buff an Inquisitor has an insta-cure that makes some raiding easier. There are so many raid fights where lack of very rapid curing is a fail condition, so raids don't take any chances. Inquisitors buff offensive talents, so many groups would also rather have that than the more defensive buffing Templars. Inquisitor is sort of like a Holy Paladin that could switch from Holy to Ret and back as desired during a fight. (sort of....) Mystics are more popular in raids (I think..) because they also buff offensive abilities. Defiler is fun to play, and wanted in groups, but when you are trying to get through an instance or whatever quickly, you go for the buffs if you are able to choose your healers. Mohee is right. Right now, nobody wants a Templar. Doesn't mean that won't change, but probably won't any time soon. If it does, and you rolled an inquisitor you can betray and become one, so it's sort of win/win just to have a cleric. There isn't any one 'gotta have it' healer, or you wouldn't have to ask your question. Every healer would be that kind. |
10-12-2012, 05:17 PM | #7 |
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Another thing that makes the Inquisitor so overpowered and wanted for raids is because, not only is their Mythical cure instant-cast, but they are able to use it no matter what (stun, stifled, dazed, mezzed ect...) even if they are flying through the middle of the air! lol. And a lot of mobs cast AoEs that stun/stifle the entire raid, and will kill everyone if not cured. So this is the type of situation that makes inquisitors so needed for raids these days. So... 2 group cures and they can do great DPS as well for a healer. Also the mythical cure is on a pretty super fast recast timer. Templars get 1 group cure, 10 second recast and thats with 100% reuse speed. In those 10 second in a raid you are pretty much garunteed to get even more detriments you cant cure in time that will explode your entire raid. Blame SOE for their brilliant raid boss scripting/mechanics that require pretty much every detriment to be cured instantly, if 1 person doesn't get cured within a split second most of the time, it will kill your entire raid. I think most raid guilds use this setup for raiding --- Grp1(MT)=Inq/Mystic, Grp2(OT)=Inq/Mystic, Grp3(2nd OT or ScoutGrp)=Inq/Mystic, Grp4(MageGrp)=Fury. Sometimes they'll throw a warden into the MT group as well. Inquisitors, Furys, Wardens, all get 2 group cures. The other healers dont. The inquisitors mythical cure is by far the most uber though because they can cast it through anything. I'm suprised they can't use it while dead |
10-12-2012, 06:59 PM | #8 |
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Templars are clearly not desirable when at least 4 of 6 guilds clearing all the raid content (also ignoring the 2 russian guilds because they block most of their mains on eq2u, can't tell one way or the other) use a templar, one guild uses two.
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10-12-2012, 07:28 PM | #9 |
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haha ok |
10-13-2012, 02:02 PM | #10 |
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Buffrat@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Yeah the myth that templars cant find raid slots is just that however thats not to say the class desperately needs some tweaks...but since the temp communtiy as a whole was lied to by Xelgad as he stated we would be getting a look at and some adjustments to be more viable before the big pvp update (never made it in go figure) we are slowly as a class at high end are dying off as people betray to inquis...or quit. |
10-14-2012, 09:30 AM | #11 |
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Mohee wrote:
This isn't true at all. Properly spec'd inqs (and Templars) can become immune to stifle, but stun, mez, fear, charm etc prevents us from using our myth cure. We have a separate spell, an escape cure, that breaks us free of some control effects (as many healers do), which then allows us to cast a group cure, but we can't outright cast the cure through 'anything'. |
10-14-2012, 04:10 PM | #12 |
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Thank you all for the responses and great info. It is greatly appreciated. |
10-15-2012, 01:53 PM | #13 |
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Templars are still amazing healers and have the best defensive buffs, plus they don't die immediately when a physical AE hits them. Put a decent Templar and Mystic in your tank group and your tank will probably not die from damage...however he may die from one of these annoying AE dots the devs have become so fond of since they lifted the restriction on which class can groupcure what in TSO, so if the mystic is incapacitated, you will have to spam single cures, messing up your heal cast order. However most "easy mode" encounters don't require massive defensive buffs, so easy mode raiders prefer Inquisitors. Templars become interesting again when raiding challenge mode. |
10-15-2012, 02:41 PM | #14 |
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I appreciate the defense of Templars - I played one for a really long time and used to love the class. Buffrat is in a guild that regularly clears some of the content that lots of us have never even thought of seeing. Malleria is one of the better clerics in the game. What they are telling you is true (for now). If your raid is using more than one Templar, you are not doing any of ^^ that content. If a Templar has 'no trouble' getting a raid slot, you are not clearing anything of any huge import - and are just having fun. Which is fine - it just doesn't justify telling a player asking about end game if he should roll one. IMO. |